User talk:Leifern/Archive 3

Possible future articles

Olav Hoaas, the Feldmann case (possibly substituting the word "case" with "affair" or something) are topics that seem to fit in with your interests. Punkmorten (talk) 22:12, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

The Feldmann case is definitely on my list, but it requires a bit of research as it ties in with the incident on Vestfoldbanen and the broader issue of legal culpability for crimes against the Jewish population of Norway during the war. (Nothing is ever as simple as it seems). I have other problems with Hoaas - although I think he's a despicable character, he was prosecuted for exercising free (though reprehensible) speech. An NPOV article can't address what he said without also dealing with the issue of whether he had a legal right to say it. Thanks for the pointers, in any event. --Leifern (talk) 22:19, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

DYK nomination

Hi. I've nominated Ruth Maier, an article you worked on, for consideration to appear on the Main Page as part of Wikipedia:Did you know. You can see the hook for the article at Template talk:Did you know#Articles created/expanded on January 20, where you can improve it if you see fit. It's always a pleasure to come across your work, something that seems to be happening more rarely now that you're making fewer New Jersey edits. This is a fascinating article you created. Please review the hooks I suggested for inclusion at DYK and modify as needed. Thanks, Alansohn (talk) 04:59, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

On 24 January, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Ruth Maier, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Gatoclass (talk) 06:01, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

I found the article fascinating too, thanks! Royalbroil 06:06, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Nice work, added this one also to Portal:Norway. Cirt (talk) 00:21, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

My Rfa

I wish to thank you for being supportive of my effort to regain my adminship. Though it was not successful, your support was still very much appreciated. Let me know if there is anything I can do for you. Thank you!--MONGO 06:28, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

WP:IPCOLL

Leifern, glad to read your thoughtful input today. I suggested ways to re-allocate your various ideas into some existing/new discussion sections, please give a look. (Or I can help you re-arrange it, if you let me know.) Thanks and baruch ha-ba. HG | Talk 16:04, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Nudge, nudge. Hi. I just posted a new discussion section to address the fine point that you raised in your initial post. However, I'd still like to see some of your comments re-allocated. Would you be willing to do it? I don't want all your ideas to be lost inthe forest. Thanks muchly. HG | Talk 20:34, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

Notification of Arbitration Enforcement

I am copying this to you personally, as you are a major contributor to the Pallywood article.

Under the discretionary sanctions imposed at Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Palestine-Israel articles, the Pallywood article has been placed on a one-revert rule. Any editor who makes more than one revert (and this revert must be discussed on the talk page) in a 7-day period will be blocked. Please edit cooperatively, and seek consensus and compromise rather than edit-war. ~ Kylu 01:06, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Pallywood

Please review the history of edits before applying "discretionary action." ChrisO made a number of unilateral edits based on his views; I reverted, asking for further discussion; he reverted back to his version and then went running to you to impose the restriction. Given that ChrisO insists on gutting the article to a meaningless version, I am inclined to put it up for deletion, anyway. This is a contentious topic, and the only way to avoid the appearance of taking sides is to investigate a matter before taking admin action. --Leifern (talk) 22:54, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

I'm going to have to admit, I'm unable to grasp the concept of being belligierent to a complete stranger who is trying to keep involved parties abiding by arbitration remedies, especially those that may well result in blocks.

The 1RR restriction is for your own good: Without it, the Israel-Palestine related articles will likely have edit-war flareups and with it, numerous long-duration blocks and possibly longer article bans.

So, I feel a few notes are in order:

1. I don't know ChrisO from Adam. Really, to my knowledge he and I have never had a single interaction before now, on-wiki or off-wiki. I am not one of his "buddies on irc" and resent the implication. I am in no way interested in your view of the veracity of this statement, also, so feel free to keep your view to yourself in this regard.
2. The enforcement applies to all editors of the article, including ChrisO. How that's taking his side is beyond me.
3. The entire point of the enforcement is that it's a contentious topic. That's why it gets enforcement in the first place: If you don't grasp how the article is related to the Palestine-Israel arbcom case, please ask a different uninvolved admin for an explanation.
4. If you'd like the action reviewed, take it to one of the admin noticeboards, where I'm sure you'll get more attention on the topic than I'm both willing and able to offer.
5. Happily, I can say I did in fact review the edits before applying the enforcement. Oddly enough, I'm not in the habit of going to random articles and applying random arbcom enforcement rules to pages. Go figure.
6. I noticed that the most questionable edit is Chris's. Don't you think the 1RR restriction, therefore, actually hinders him more than it hinders you?
7. Before ever, ever reverting again, read Help:Reverting. I don't mean for "how to revert", but for reviewing the cases where reversion is appropriate. Notice the "DO NOT" section, and where it says "Do not simply revert changes that are made as part of a dispute. Be respectful to other editors, their contributions and their points of view." His edit was not vandalism, it was a dispute between you two on article content. Let me rephrase this: "If you revert a non-vandalism edit (as determined by the blocking admin) on this article, you will be blocked for a minimum of 24 hours."

Now, as far as your deletion suggestion goes, if you can point to someplace in our various deletion guidelines where the deletion is anything other than bad-faith, feel free to nominate the article on articles for deletion, but recall that WP:IDONTLIKEIT is not a good-faith nomination reason.

This reply is posted to both my talkpage and yours, along with your original edit. If you think it incivil, please suggest resolution, but otherwise, I'll thank you to kindly go about productive editing instead.

I hope that clears up the matter. I won't be watching your talkpage for replies. ~Kylu (u|t) 23:33, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Please come back to Pallywod and help us work out some solutions. Palestinian news fraud is a real phenomenon.American Clio (talk) 23:38, 24 March 2008 (UTC)American Clio

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Khazars

Thanks for the message. Actually, I didn't edit any of the last references (If it looks as if I did, it must have happened inadvertendly). I only just added more refs to reflect the dearth of firm scholarly knowledge a Jewish-Byzantine relations (and in general about Byzantium) which has as a result a quite remarkable variety of opinions. I also deleted the precise quotations from Golden's and Graetz' books to save space and because I thought they were only inserted in response to my query about the sources. I don't mind restoring them. Schlcoh (talk) 17:10, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

• I left a similar message on the article Talk page: I agree with what you said there and I thought that the version on which we had kind of settled on yesterday satisfied these conditions. However, I see another user has reverted. I won't revert but I expect you or another of the editors who are more familiar with the discussion than Beit Or is, to restore the previous version.

Schlcoh (talk) 18:10, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

doubler

On 16 February, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Nansenhjelpen, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Victuallers (talk) 13:03, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

On 16 February, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Odd Nansen, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

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Nice work! Added this WP:DYK to Portal:Norway. Cirt (talk) 00:21, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

The DYK item led me here...

...via the pages on Odd Nansen and Nansenhjelpen, an episode in Nazi-era history hitherto unknown to me (and many others, I'd think). I'd like to see these and what you've written on the Shoah in Norway translated for the Hebrew Wikipedia; I'll note this on the most closely relevant page there (i.e. Talk:Jewry of Norway#During the Holocaust). Meanwhile, kudos and thanks for your significant contributions! -- Cheers, Deborahjay (talk) 21:48, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Parks in Oslo

Hi, can you check in on Parks and open spaces in Oslo, I have started translating it to English, alas I am not that good and currently I need to find a translation for 1850-årene. Brgds - Ulflarsen (talk) 13:29, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Hi, thank you for converting my gulesider map links into coordinates. I would like to know how to make them - is there a place to read about it? The Halfdan Kjerulfs plass is a little unprecise, all the others are perfect. Helge Høi (talk) 20:32, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

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Heinrich Fehlis

Hi, I'd appeciate it if you could add some sources to your article (not just for your last edit, "first poison, then shoot himself"). There hardly seems to be anything on the web about Fehlis, so maybe you could cite one or two books / articles. Thanks in advance, keep up the good work, and all the best, <KF> 17:18, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks! <KF> 21:16, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Brynjar Aa

Hi I was wondering if you could help save this article from deletion. Its currently up for afd. I;m certain something in Norwegian can be translated to expand it. I think it is notable but google is lacking. Could you consider seeing (this and This ) and try to expand it. Brynjar Å is also another form of the name. Could you help mate? ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ ^$1,000,000? 13:48, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

You may not like the guy but is it possible you could add something and a reference to make it valid? If he is controversial I think this is interesting. Thanks ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ ^$1,000,000? 14:24, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

thanks

thanks for your help recently. By the way, i've been looking at your contribs. You're an interesting guy. i'm going to start reading up more here about the post-World War 2 history of Norway. didn't realize all this stuff happened there. thanks. --Steve, Sm8900 (talk) 15:42, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Agreement with Shirahadasha

Hi Leifern. Thanks for your attention. See User talk:Shirahadasha#I have agreed to your proposal where I notify User Shirahadasha (talk · contribs)'s agreeing to Shira's proposal at Wikipedia:Requests for comment/IZAK2#Proposed intermediate verdict 3 (and I still hold by Wikipedia:Requests for comment/IZAK2#Proposed intermediate verdict 2). What are your thoughts on the matter? Thanks. IZAK (talk) 16:42, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Endorsing new proposal

Hi Leifern: Thank you for giving this matter your serious attention. I wanted to let you know that I have now endorsed the latest "Proposed intermediate verdict 3.1" at Wikipedia:Requests for comment/IZAK2#Proposed intermediate verdict 3.1. Thanks, IZAK (talk) 16:49, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Well-poisoning

Care to explain how switching the order of two paragraphs is "well-poisoning?" [1]

I was only trying to make the article conform to the WP:MOS, as well as common sense. I think you need to lay off the revert button, and try to be a little less hostile. <eleland/talkedits> 18:31, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

The introductory section of an article on charges of human rights violation is typically context-setting. In this case, the most important piece of context is that Israel is a liberal democracy in which minorities are protected, just like, say Norway, or Sweden. To state that human rights are a matter of ongoing discussion is a) self-evident, and b) begs the question and therefore constitutes well-poisoning. Correcting bias is not hostile. --Leifern (talk) 19:07, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

You think that's the most important piece of context. Others might think the ongoing occupation is the most important piece of context. Still others might think the most important piece of context is that Israel defines itself by religious identity. Still others might think something different.

It's interesting that you mention Norway or Sweden - I checked Human rights in Europe, and it begins, "The current human rights situation in Europe..." not "European states are multiparty parliamentary democracies..." In fact, I checked the first ten articles "Human rights in...x" and, of those that have any introduction at all, they all start along the lines of "The human rights situation in X is poor..." or "Human rights in Y have been analyzed by Z..." Why would Israel get special treatment?

You've switched from "well-poisoning" to "begging the question," which are two very different concepts. Which is it, and specifically, how would stating that NGO's and governments have looked into human rights in Israel in any way prejudge or bias? It seems to me that your problem is not with well-poisoning, but with failing to well-poison in the manner you favour (ie, by stating as prominently as possible that Israel is a democracy.) <eleland/talkedits> 19:21, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

So interesting that you only quoted the first few words about Europe, because it continues "is believed to be good." Begging the question is a rhetorical fallacy that may (or may not) serve to poison the well. Well-poisoning means to predispose the reader to a particular, unfavorable conclusion about what's coming next; which is precisely what begging the question is as well. "Occupation" does not apply to the situation in Israel, unless you believe that Gaza and the West Bank are part of Israel, which would certainly be to beg the question. Why should Israel get special treatment? Here's a sample of introductory sentences about countries with a government system similar to, or inferior to, Israel's:

• The United Kingdom has a long and established tradition of avowed respect for its subjects' human rights.
• Human rights in Finland are protected by extensive domestic safeguards, in addition to the country's active membership in most international human rights treaties.
• Spain is a democracy with a constitutional monarch.
• Human rights are comprehensively guaranteed in Switzerland, one of Europe's oldest democracies

You are the one who wants to make Israel a special case, not me. --Leifern (talk) 20:10, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Leifern, I'm going to copy this onto the article page and continue there. <eleland/talkedits> 06:39, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

DYK

On March 3, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Kjesäter, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Blnguyen (vote in the photo straw poll) 03:29, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Nice work on this one too, wow, do you have any other WP:DYKs related to Norway that aren't already listed at Portal:Norway/DYK? Cirt (talk) 00:25, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Oops, hehe, saw your list at the bottom of your userpage, will be adding those to Portal:Norway, thanks for your contributions over the years, these will really be nice additions to the portal! Cirt (talk) 00:31, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

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List of converts to Judaism

Thanks for participating in the discussion. I've responded to your first point in particular. Divamia (talk) 23:36, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

WTF

Holy cow, Leifern, this is way out of line. You challenged the wording of a sentence which was cited to a source which used the same wording. For your benefit, I added another footnote to the same reference, at exactly the spot where you had challenged it. And then I added, to the reference, the direct quote of the reference using the same wording. And then you remove it saying "Reference does not document the assertion, so I'm taking it out as an example of well-poisoning"! What gives, Leifern!? <eleland/talkedits> 17:31, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Just for the record, I deleted a sentence that perpetrated at least one rhetorical fallacy, namely that of an unsubstantiated generalization, or converse accident. The sentence implied that a term was only used by one group of individuals when the source stated that it was used by that group of individuals on one occassion. --Leifern (talk) 12:14, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Leifern, perhaps you can also help User:Eleland and me with this reading comprehension problem on the Palestinian people. Regards, Doright (talk) 05:16, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

DYK nomination

• ...that Knut Rød, a Norwegian police inspector who arranged the deportation of over 500 Jews in 1942 was acquited after the war although no one denied he did it? by Leifern OK? Victuallers (talk) 16:35, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

DYK

On 14 March, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Knut Rød, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Wizardman 22:25, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Yet again, nice job, has been added to Portal:Norway. Cirt (talk) 22:28, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Disruption warning

Please do not restore the "petition" again to Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard. It is unnecessary, creates needless drama and is fundamentally misleading, as policy is not determined by a vote. Please bear in mind that you are not permitted to disrupt Wikipedia to illustrate a point and you may be blocked if you continue. -- ChrisO (talk) 02:22, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

Chris, since you erased another one of my posts when you posted the above, I'll just repost what I posted there again here. (Did I use the word "post" enough times?)

<Moved after deletion from WP:RS noticeboard> Chris, not only may you not block someone you are in a dispute with, you may not threaten to do so. You asked me to calm down. Will you not take your own advice? What you are doing is contrary to both the letter and the spirit of policy. IronDuke 02:37, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

ChrisO's accusations are absurd, and his threats abusive. --Leifern (talk) 20:56, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

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Forced labor in Germany during World War II

Hi. I noticed Forced labor in Germany during World War II has been on hold for awhile at WP:GAN. How's the progress coming along? Should it be failed or passed? I'm trying to help empty the backlog over there, so I was just interested in the article's status. Thanks. Nikki311 01:15, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Article about the white buses

Hi, the article about the White Buses is tagged, could you help in checking the article so the tag could be removed? It was originally written in Norwegian by me, and now it has been translated to several languages, would be good if the english version could be corrected so the tag could be removed. Best regards, Ulflarsen (talk) 10:39, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

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Muhammad al-Durrah

Hello. I'm currently involved in a dispute about certain wording in the lead of this article with another editor, User:ChrisO. This user claims to be the originator of the phrase "reported to have been killed" with regards to al-Durrah, a phrase he now wants to change to 'was killed'. My own research on the editing history of this page leads me to think that it was actually you who first introduced this phrase into the lead, and that it subsequently remained in the article for more than two years. Perhaps you can comment in the Talk pages of the article and clarify who came up with this phrase, and what is the consensus regarding it. Canadian Monkey (talk) 01:42, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2008-06-17 Muhammad al-Durrah

Hello. I'm going to take over this MedCab case and try to work this stuff out. I posted in the talk page what I would like all participants to do to start. Hopefully this all works out well, I have zero intention of leaning towards any one side in this dispute, and I only care about getting it taken care of. Wizardman 18:53, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Tone

Hi, would you please consider rewording this (especially the first sentence) to a more civil tone?[2] Thanks, Elonka 19:47, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

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On 3 July, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Karl Marthinsen, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

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Stein Ørnhøi

Jeg ser at Hanna Kvanmo har en stor artikkel på engelsk, men hennes makker på Stortinget, Stein Ørnhøi har enda ikke fått noen. Det er vel bare han og Helen Bøsterud igjen av de fra List of members of Stortinget 1977-1981 som ennå er røde, så kanskje du kunne oversette de fra norsk midt i alt det andre du holder på med. Mine bidrag er stort sett interwiki på engelsk wp og jeg vil måtte bruke uforholdsvis mye tid på å gjøre det, da jeg ikke så lett finner lenker osv. som en som har bidratt der med ordentlige artikler :-) --Harald Haugland (talk) 12:00, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Takk for artikkelen, den har mer informasjon enn den norske. Jeg synes er av det det mest stimulerende med wikipedia, at man kan finne utfyllende informasjon via interwiki. --Harald Haugland (talk) 17:42, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

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AfD for Timeline of US Presidents

It appears that no one has notified you that your article Timeline_of_Presidents_of_the_United_States has been nominated for deletion. At this time it looks like the article will be kept (as it is awesome). Some users are suggesting that the article would be better displayed as a horizontal list (this may also stop the article from unlocking both scroll bars in most browsers). I would do that myself but it seems that you're probably built this table from an excel file (or similar), so you might be the best to do that. either way, you aren't required to and we would love to have your input at AfD. Thanks! Protonk (talk) 16:04, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Redaction of AfD nominator's opening statement

Leifern, your deletion of a large chunk of the nominator's opening statement on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Allegations of apartheid (fifth nomination)‎ strikes me as being both unjustified - since the linked AfDs are clearly highly relevant to this article - and a straightforward violation of the talk page guidelines. There are a few circumstances in which editing other people's comments is appropriate, but this would not be one of them. I don't think I've ever before come across a situation in which an AfD participant who opposes a nomination has tried to censor the nominator's opening statement. Please don't try to edit the opening statement again.

I realise that you are unlikely to listen to me, so I have raised the issue on AN/I to ask an uninvolved admin to counsel you - please see Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#AfD participant redacting statement by nominator. -- ChrisO (talk) 17:30, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

I have reviewed the section you removed and see nothing wrong with it? Why do you feel it is, "Poisoning the well?" It is links to previous related discussions and AFD's. This material would be useful in determining consensus (whether it is what you want or not?). Please refrain from removing this section again. Thanks! Chrislk02 ^{Chris Kreider} 17:36, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

I agree with the two Chris's above; see the ANI thread.  Sandstein  18:07, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Clarification needed on past Arbcom vote

As a member of the Arbitration Committee that in August and September of 2007 heard the the this case, you assented to the following finding of fact:

6) Seven editors (Gzuckier (talk · contribs), Humus sapiens (talk · contribs), IronDuke (talk · contribs), Jayjg (talk · contribs), JoshuaZ (talk · contribs), Leifern (talk · contribs), and Tickle me (talk · contribs)) voted to delete the allegations of Israeli apartheid article, largely on principle, after having earlier voted to keep the allegations of Brazilian apartheid article. Given the circumstances, the only reasonable explanation for this voting pattern is that the editors in question were attempting to prove a point regarding the allegations of Israeli apartheid article.

I took great exception to this assertion at the time, but decided not to vigorously defend myself, as it seemed clear to me that the finding would not get the needed majority to be established by the Arbcom; and that my scarce time was better spent on other issues, on the arbcom case and elsewhere on Wikipedia.

However, your vote for this finding has now been used as an argument to discount my vote on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Allegations of apartheid (fifth nomination).:

This case eventually collapsed due to unresolvable divisions among the arbitrators, but the fact that four committee members were willing to endorse the aforementioned statement suggests that it wasn't a completely arbitrary charge. It's probably also worth noting that nine arbitrators agreed that "Allegations of Israeli apartheid" was the locus of the dispute. I would tend to think that these matters bear some relevance to the present discussion. CJCurrie (talk) 23:27, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Other editors have similarly raised this proposed finding of fact as a basis to question mine and others' vote on the AFD in question.

I am obviously not asking you to get involved in the AFD, but would like you to clear up the following:

If your vote in this Arbcom case can properly be construed as a legitimate argument for discounting my vote on any article that is related to Israel or apartheid, then I would like the chance to properly defend my votes on the articles in question and see if I can change your mind.

Conversely, if your vote fails to give the closing admin the grounds to discount my vote, then I would appreciate this clarification.

Just to be clear, this is the first time I have gotten involved in any "apartheid" related article since the Arbcom case. My apologies for having to drag you into this messy business again, and with thanks in advance for your consideration. --Leifern (talk) 00:11, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

I think the finding was well-founded, after all no one has written a book about Brazilian apartheid, nor is it the subject of an international campaign. However, it was far in the past, not supported by the majority of the arbitrators who voted on it and, thus not appropriate to bring up as evidence of bad faith regarding your current posture in the deletion debate. Fred Talk 00:47, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Re: Arbcom vote clarification needed

Generally speaking, arbitration proposals that fail to pass have no weight whatsoever. If people were to start interpreting everything that's ever been voted on as holy writ, we'd be in trouble.

(More to the point, a finding that you'd tried to prove a point sometime in the past—even if it had passed—would not be automatic reason to exclude all future input from you, in my opinion.) Kirill ^(prof) 01:28, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Allegations of apartheid (fifth nomination) and canvassing

Hi Leifern - I appreciate the note you left on my talk page. I think we'll have to agree to disagree over my reasoning in closing the AFD (and you appear to be willing to do so), but I wanted to say a few more words on the issue of canvassing specifically. I did examine the canvassing allegations to see whether they showed any danger of biasing the AFD. On two of the four criteria, the tone of the message and its transparency, I think we can agree there is no issue - the message itself was quite neutral, and it was done very openly (I was aware of it, despite having had no involvement whatever in the issue, just because I had several of the affected User talk pages on my watchlist). You seem to be suggesting that his messages may have been to a biased audience, but I don't see how that is so. I took a quick sampling of the editors involved in the previous AFD discussions, an equal number of supporters and opposers of deletion, and checked them to see if they'd been reached by ChrisO's messages. In all cases, they had. Moreover, I looked at the voting patterns of the "canvassed" editors in the present AFD, and found that, if anything, they !voted slightly disproportionately on the Keep side. I simply do not see any evidence that ChrisO biased the result of the AFD through his behaviour. As I said in my closure, it's possible that his actions violated the "Scale" provisions of WP:CANVASS, but, even if they did, that's an issue of general Wikiquette, and not one of integrity of the AFD. Again, I do thank you for your civil comments, and hope that this addresses at least the canvassing portion of your concerns. Sarcasticidealist (talk) 22:15, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Wanda Hjort Heger DYK

Hi. I've reviewed your DYK submission for the article Wanda Hjort Heger, and made a comment on it at the submissions page. Please feel free to reply or comment there. Cheers, Olaf Davis | Talk 11:32, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

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Genetic factors for autism

I replied at Talk:Heritability of autism #Qualification added to lead. Eubulides (talk) 14:40, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject New Jersey Newsletter (August 2008)

The WikiProject New Jersey Newsletter
Volume I - Issue 1 26 August 2008
Project News	Article Alerts
The Reboot of Wikiproject New Jersey has certainly stirred up some new activity at the project. Discussion on several improvements and new initiatives have been going on at the talk page. There has been an involved discussion regarding our 118 unassessed articles, especially those on municipalities. The current goal is to review and assess all 566 New Jersey muncipality articles by September 30. A suggestion has been made to intiate Wikipedia Takes New Jersey to begin clearing the large backlog of articles needing photos. Let's all grab our cameras and head out into the vast wilds of the Garden State. Town Halls, High Schools, Historic Places - every article deserves a picture.	The following articles may be in need of attention: Featured Article candidates: none at this time Good Article nominees: Jon Corzine The Sopranos
New Jersey Collaboration news	New WPNJ members
WPNJ member Mm40 has volunteered to coordinate a new WPNJ Collaboration project. It's been a while since we used the NJCOTW and new volunteers are needed. Join the discussion to volunteer. Battle of Trenton was recently proposed as a Featured Article candidate. It was not promoted, but has now been nominated for A-Class review through the Military History WikiProject. Take a look at their A-Class FAQ. As we need to set up our own process for reviewing A-Class articles, it may be worth watching the process.	Please welcome the following new members to WikiProject New Jersey: User:WTGDMan1986 joined on August 20
Reboot progress report	Help Wanted
The redesign has been well received. There are still some things left to do. This newsletter was one big check mark off the list. Hopefully this can be continued on a regular basis. There are literally thousands of articles in Category:New Jersey that have not been tagged as part of the project, and stub sorting hasn't been run in 10 months. We will need to identify some friendly bot operators to help with these projects. An outreach department (which includes the newsletter) needs to be formalized. Creating an invitation template for easy placement on userpages will also be part of that effort. There are lots of best practices described at the WikiProject Council with ideas of how to make our project more responsive, welcoming, active, and effective. Task forces? Peer review? Other ideas welcome!	New member recruiters Style guideline writers Newletter writers A-class article reviewers Portal crew members Many more Ask a question, make an offer
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I just wanted to say that the response to my bold makeover of WPNJ has been gratifying, but nothing will improve the project as much as more activity, and that means more members. There are lots of things to do in this new setup, and everyone with an interest should be able to find a way to contribute to the collaboration. I want to thank you all for the patience, the appreciation, and the effort. - Jim Miller
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Paltiel

Hei! Thanks for fixing (rather, for removing) place of death. You should fix it in bokmål, as well! I've added photo of V.K. to English Paltiel article; you may remove it if you think it inappropriate. As many photos as there are of J.P., it must be possible to get one or two (young from book, old from Aftenposten??) for the articles! Might his widow release them? (I actually have the announcement of his appearance from kyrkjelydsbladet, with the youthful photo.)

A curiosity. I saw Paltiel 2-3 years ago. The man exuded purpose and strength and gave a fascinating and living lecture, in spite of apparently having given the same talk hundreds(?) of times before! I saw the tattoo on his forearm and I bought the book. I recall that the number on his forearm either started or ended with 99 or 66. The number in the book doesn't. A mini-mystery. Cheers, --Hordaland (talk) 12:42, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

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Norwegian Barnstar of National Merit

		The Norwegian Barnstar of National Merit
		For your fine contributions to Norwegian articles, in particular the less lauded sides of Norwegian World War II history. Manxruler (talk) 17:29, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
		this WikiAward was given to Leifern by Manxruler (talk) on 17:29, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

Takker og bukker. --Leifern (talk) 00:19, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject New Jersey Newsletter (September 2008)

The WikiProject New Jersey Newsletter
Volume 1 - Issue 2 26 September 2008
Project News	Article Alerts
The Maryland WikiProject has put together a great chart comparing the growth of several state WikiProjects, including WPNJ. Take a look at the chart to see how the growth of WPNJ compares to some of our peer projects. Please remember to place the {{WikiProject New Jersey}} tag on the talk pages of any New Jersey related articles you create or come across. You can also add the new articles page to your watchlist. Some updates have been made to the NJ Portal, but much more needs to be done. If a few volunteers can put together Featured Article summmaries, we can automate rotating the portal content. The same can be done for DYK items. Please take a look and see if you can assist.	The following articles may be in need of attention: Featured Article candidates: None at this time Good Article nominees: None at this time
Wikipedia Release version 0.7	New WPNJ members
The Wikipedia 0.7 project team has chosen the New Jersey related articles that will be included in the next downloadable version of Wikipedia. You can review the list of selected WPNJ articles, check the articles tagged for cleanup, or nominate additional articles for inclusion. Selection is an automated process based on article assessments. To help avoid vandalism and POV concerns, specific versions of articles can be tagged for inclusion in the downloadable release. See the New Jersey section of the bot results to recommend a production version. The process ends on October 20, and then a bot will select an appropriate version if none has been recommended.	Please welcome the following new members to WikiProject New Jersey: Shirulashem (talk) 4 September 2008 Spartacusprime (talk) 8 September 2008
Article News	Help Wanted
Both Jon Corzine and The Sopranos were promoted to Good Article status in the past month. No WikiProject New Jersey articles were promoted to Featured article status. Battle of Trenton was not listed as a Featured Article, and may need more editors to complete the remaining work to be promoted. Also, in an item that was missed last month, Thomas Edison was delisted as a Good Article in July. The WPNJ Assessment Drive is ongoing. Please help assess all of the articles about places in New Jersey. There are currently 118 articles that have not been assessed.	Portal Crew Collaboration project Photographers in NYC Ask a question, make an offer
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Fall has arrived, and with it will come a rush of new Wikipedians. Inviting new editors to join WPNJ is easy to do, and can help us improve our New Jersey articles. Keep an eye out for editors who work on NJ articles who can help the project. The Wikipedia Release version project is in its final stages for the next version. Take a look at the article lists, cleanup where you can, and nominate articles that should be included on the DVD version of WP. Lets make sure that those who end up with a downloaded copy of WP get solid articles about New Jersey. - Jim Miller
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DYK for Lysakerelven

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Keep up the good work! BG7even 15:22, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

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DYK for Nic Waal

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DYK for Henry T. Waskow

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WikiProject New Jersey Newsletter (October 2008)

The WikiProject New Jersey Newsletter
Volume I - Issue 3 29 October 2008
Project News	Article Alerts
A new bot is patrolling Wikipedia workflows to let WPNJ members know when any of our articles may be in need of attention. Any article tagged with the WPNJ banner that has been added to one of the major workflows (AfD, FAC, GAN, etc.) will be added to a new project page. The bot runs daily, so add the new Article Alerts page to your watchlist, or just check the main project page to see the updates. See the Article Alerts project page for details on how the bot works and which processes it covers.	The following articles may be in need of attention: Featured Article/List candidates: List of Nobel Laureates affiliated with Princeton University Good Article nominees: none at this time
Cross-Project Collaboration Request	New WPNJ members
WPNJ received the following request for assistance with New Jersey Devils articles: "The WikiProject Ice Hockey is currently looking for editors to help update team articles about the 2008-09 NHL season. If you are interested in the NHL, please consider helping us keep these article current. To sign up, go to this page and add your name beside the team or teams you wish to particpate in." See the WPNJ talk page for more information.	Please welcome the following new members to WikiProject New Jersey: Rhvanwinkle (talk) 9 October 2008
New Jersey on the Main Page	Help Wanted
No, not the state - the battleship! On October 15, USS New Jersey (BB-62) was the Featured Article on the Wikipedia main page. Featured articles receive heavier traffic when they are on the main page. Improving WPNJ articles to featured status can help drive more editors to our project.	Recruit new members Article Assessments Ask a question, make an offer
Editor's Notes
Seems like a pretty light month in terms of activity at WPNJ. Personally, your editor was doing a lot of travelling and went on a wiki-free vacation for nine days. Time to dive back in and create some new NJ articles. - Jim Miller See me | Touch me
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Bernadotte engraving source

Hi Leifern, Wondering if you could provide the source, book or otherwise, for the Bernadotte engraving you posted on Wiki? Fine regards, John —Preceding unsigned comment added by Semper Liberi (talk • contribs) 19:14, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Bernadotte engraving source

Hi Leifern, Wondering if you could provide the source, book or otherwise, for the Bernadotte engraving you posted on Wiki? Fine regards, John —Preceding unsigned comment added by Semper Liberi (talk • contribs) 19:25, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Norse History and Culture Assessement Drive

Hey, over the past few months, Berig and I have been attempting to assess all the unassessed articles tagged with the Wikiproject banner. This is a very time consuming process and with around a thousand left, I would much appreciate your help. Thanks, ErikTheBikeMan (talk) 16:08, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

AfD nomination of List of Norwegian photographers

I have nominated List of Norwegian photographers, an article that you created, for deletion. I do not think that this article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and have explained why at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Norwegian photographers (2nd nomination). Your opinions on the matter are welcome at that same discussion page; also, you are welcome to edit the article to address these concerns. Thank you for your time. Stifle (talk) 14:46, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

List of Norwegian photographers

It seems to me that you are violating your own principles in nominating this article for deletion. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I find no basis in WP:N or in the AFD policy for "As per the previous AFD, this dead-end list consisting mostly of redlinks would be better as a self-maintaining category." There are many lists on Wikipedia, and there is no time limit for when it needs to be populated. If you think there should be a policy or guideline against lists with too many redlinks, feel free to propose it. Otherwise, these nominations take up time that could have been better spent writing and editing articles, say, about Norwegian photographers. I also want to point out that the first AFD failed, and if anything the basis for keeping it improved since then. --Leifern (talk) 14:27, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

• I'm not sure which of my principles you claim I'm violating, but it's clear that we have different notability standards. Stifle (talk) 17:33, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
  • I don't have a notability standard: instead I use those proposed in WP:N. In your AFD, you made some rather vague comments about "dead end" and "red links," none of which illustrate any element of the WP:N. The general guideline states that "If a topic has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject, it is presumed to satisfy the inclusion criteria for a stand-alone article." The principle you have violated, is that you expect those who voice their views on AFD to specifically state the basis for their view - your AFD had absolutely no substance, and was essentially a repeat of an earlier failed AFD. --Leifern (talk) 21:02, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
    • I don't recall having a principle that I expect people who voice their views on AFD to specifically state the basis for their view. Stifle (talk) 20:30, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

happy 2009!

I'm on New Page Patrol, so here's a cookie for your newest article! --Rosiestep (talk) 20:34, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Carl Fredriksens Transport

Your DYK nom for Carl Fredriksens Transport: There is a minor issue with the hook, I read the article but the hook isn't supported in the article, (the hook's wording doesn't match up with what the article says), the length and date were find, maybe an alternate is needed. I made a note on the DYK suggestions page. --IvoShandor (talk) 21:37, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Carl Fredriksens Transport

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Wikipedia:Featured article review/Gunnhild, Mother of Kings

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Possibly unfree File:Nord-Odal coat of arms.gif

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File:Logo den norske kirke.gif listed for deletion

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Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Kylfings

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You maybe interested in the Article Rescue Squadron

Hello, Leifern. Based on the templates on your talk page, please consider joining the Article Rescue Squadron. Rescue Squadron members are focused on rescuing articles from deletion, that might otherwise be lost forever. I think you will find our project matches your vision of Wikipedia. You can join >> here <<. Ikip (talk) 02:37, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

Welcome to the Article Rescue Squadron!

	WELCOME	from a Article Rescue Squad member
	Welcome to Article Rescue Squadron Leifern/Archive 3, a dynamic list of articles needing to be rescued, which changes with new updates, can be found here: Articles tagged for deletion and rescue Category Articles tagged for deletion and rescue not found I look forward to working with you in the future. Ikip (talk) 02:37, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for enlisting! Looking forward to seeing your work in the future. You wrote on the membership page: "Eclectic interests, sporadic participation, but a particular emphasis on Norwegian history." You my want to join and monitor: Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Norway if an article is tagged for deletion which you feel is worthy enough to be saved, you can add the {{rescue}} tag, right below the AfD tag. Don't hesitate to ask me a question, or ask for help. Ikip (talk) 02:37, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

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DYK nomination of Niels Christian Ditleff

Hello! Your submission of Niels Christian Ditleff at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Punkmorten (talk) 16:41, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

Nevermind...the hook is approved now, and is on T:DYK/N, soon to be on the Main Page. Good work! Cheers. I'^mperator 00:04, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

Regarding Niels Christian Ditleff, are you sure he died in Oslo? As far as I remember he crashed his car somewhere in Sweden and I thought he died at the crash site? Ulflarsen (talk) 04:50, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

Well, in Norsk Biografisk Leksikon it says that his place of death was Oslo. But you may be right - I've seen confusion several times about where someone actually died vs. where their bodies were brought afterwards. If you can find a source, I'd be happy to change it. --Leifern (talk) 13:18, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Niels Christian Ditleff

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Kathryn Ellen Lilley

Hello,

I removed the PROD - the bad Carolyn Keene page was caused by someone merging Kathryn Lilley, a minorly notable author who wrote a couple Nancy Drew Files books, with the existing Carolyn Keene article. Clearly they were confused and didn't actually understand they implications of their merge.

I have taken all the necessary steps to get things back to the way they should be, so no further action is needed on your part. I just thought you might want to know how such blatantly wrong information happened. --ThaddeusB (talk) 20:01, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Welcome to ARS!

Here to help articles tagged for rescue! Articles tagged for deletion and rescue Category Articles tagged for deletion and rescue not found Hi, Leifern, welcome to the Article Rescue Squadron! We are a growing community of Wikipedia editors dedicated to identifying and rescuing articles that have been tagged for deletion. Every day hundreds of articles are deleted, many rightfully so. But many concern notable subjects and are poorly written, ergo fixable and should not be deleted. We try to help these articles quickly improve and address the concerns of why they are proposed for deletion. This covers a lot of ground and your help is appreciated! If you have any questions, feel free to ask on the talk page, and we will be happy to help you. And once again - Welcome! -- Banjeboi 10:39, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Gunnar Høst Sjøwall

Did you notice that an article you initiated on Gunnar Høst Sjøwall has been prod'd?

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DYK for Anna Krefting

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Robert Fisk

I would ask you to please refrain from adding personal insults in edit comments like you did here, and stick to the facts of the matter. --Saddhiyama (talk) 10:25, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Apparently you misunderstood my comment. If you read what I have written, you will notice that I did not mention the article or the edit, my only beef was with the edit comment. That your insult was directed at Robert Fisk and not at any editor does not make it any more acceptable. --Saddhiyama (talk) 12:46, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Benjamin Abrams

The article Benjamin Abrams has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

no references

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Discussion at WikiProject New Jersey

Hi, Leifern, User:Nightscream and I had a disagreement over certain parts of NJ municipality articles; because the discussion could potentially affect hundreds of articles, we decided to bring the discussion to WikiProject New Jersey. I would value your input in the discussion, which you can find at here. Thanks, A Stop at Willoughby (talk) 14:46, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

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WikiBirthday

I saw from here that it's been exactly five years since you joined the project. Happy WikiBirthday! Keep up the good work, rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 21:55, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

Happy Birthday from the only other person known to register on this date! Kevin Rutherford (talk) 22:37, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

Proposed compromise aimed at consensus at WP:NJ

Hi, Leifern. As you may remember, way back in August I started a thread at WikiProject New Jersey to discuss the "Federal, state, and county representation" subsections in New Jersey municipality articles, as User:Nightscream and I had a substantial disagreement on that subject. Approximately two months later, we've hammered out a compromise that we mostly agree upon, and presently I am seeing if there is a consensus for this compromise. I'm leaving this message here not as canvassing, but because you participated in this discussion previously and perhaps would be interested in weighing in on the compromise. The full discussion is here, and the proposed compromise is here. Thanks in advance for participating! A Stop at Willoughby (talk) 03:18, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

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WikiProject New Jersey Newsletter (November 2009)

The WikiProject New Jersey Newsletter
Volume II - Issue 1 12 November 2009
Project News	Article Alerts
Education Task Force - The conversion of the former WikiProject Education is New Jersey has been completed. New Jersey education-related articles are now supported by the Education task force. The project banner has been updated to fully support the task force with independent importance ratings. No More Comments - A proposal at the Village Pump has resulted in the deprecation of comments subpages. These were usually found at Talk:Article title/Comments and contained little more than assessment notes. These pages were not widely watched, and are often a hidden location for vandalism and BLP violations. WPNJ has 104 articles that used these pages. A complete list of them, along with their contents, can be viewed at Wikipedia:WikiProject New Jersey/Deprecation of comments. It is up to the members of WPNJ to decide what to do with this information.	The following articles may be in need of attention: Featured Article candidates: none currently Good Article nominees: U.S. Route 30 in New Jersey Hudson County Courthouse
Municipality template compromise; School Districts (almost) complete	New WPNJ members
Legislative templates in municipal articles - A rather lengthy discussion ran from the end of August until the end of October regarding the use of our legislative district templates in articles about local municipalities. Many WPNJ members commented on the concept, and a proposed compromise seems to have been reached. The templates will require some adjustments to fit the new wording, but should result in more directly relevant sections about County, State, and Federal representation in our articles on cities, towns, villages, townships, and boroughs. Hopefully, more dicussions like this can result is some kind of Manual of Style to bring greater standardization to all of these articles. School District articles now comprehensive - WPNJ Founder Alansohn recently reported that almost all of New Jersey's school districts now have articles - "I have created the article for the last missing (non-vocational) school district in the state." Congrats to Alansohn, who I am sure would love more members at the Education task force to help maintain these articles!	Please welcome the following new members to WikiProject New Jersey: A Stop at Willoughby 10 November 2008 Andrewmin 17 November 2008 cryptod 10 January 2009 marksdaly 15 March 2009 Aki Mononoke 23 May 2009 N2icv 14 June 2009 mannybrown1 24 June 2009 Madr1000 14 July 2009 Mr. Matté 15 July 2009 Christopher 17 August 2009 Rttam 11 October 2009
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Editor's Notes
Editor's news. OK, so I am going to try this again. It's been a little over a year since our last edition, and activity at the project was a bit slow during that time. Things have picked up again over the last few months, so once more into the breech I go. I will try to produce this newsletter on a regular basis (bi-monthly?) to see if we can get some more activity going at WPNJ. Help is always appreciated, and there is plenty to do. - Jim Miller See me | Touch me
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Friedrich Kellner

I just sent you an email, but in case it does not get through to you, I thought I should write to you here, as well. I am hoping you can help me with the Friedrich Kellner article, to translate it into Norwegian. I have a condensed version of the article on a Word document that I can send to you (about 1500 words). Thank you, Scott Rskellner (talk) 21:42, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

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Unreferenced BLPs

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DYK nomination

I commented at your recent DYK nomination; the hook appears to have a slightly different claim than the article. Ucucha 21:27, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

WikiProject New Jersey Newsletter (January 2010)

The WikiProject New Jersey Newsletter
Volume II - Issue 2 25 January 2010
Project News	Article Alerts
New Statistics Table There has been an upgrade to the WP 1.0 bot that updates our project's summary table. The new table lists all page classes including Portal-class, Redirect-class, and Disambig-class. We now have a better picture of the scope of the WikiProject and the pages that we cover. New York Times to charge for access The New York Times is an invaluable resource for properly referencing articles, but especially due to its extensive archives and coverage of New Jersey issues. The announcement that metered content will be started in 2011 has the potential to make article sourcing much more difficult. It also causes a need to update linked sources in articles before all of the NYT links go dead. Any link can be archived on demand by using WebCite. We can help avoid dead links by archiving any article sources from the NYT.	The following articles may be in need of attention: Featured Article/List candidates: List of Governors of New Jersey (FLC) Good Article nominees: U.S. Route 30 in New Jersey
All BLP, All the Time	New WPNJ members
BLP Issue Boils Over There are discussions all over the 'pedia about deleting close to 50,000 unreferenced Biographies of Living People. We won't get into a rehash here, but let's just look at what we can do. There is a new item on the project task list for sourcing BLPs. All articles that are in both Category:People from New Jersey and Category:All unreferenced BLPs are now available on this work list. These articles need to be sourced, PRODded, or sent to AfD. An ounce of prevention Unreferenced BLPs are one of the catgories regularly listed in the WPNJ Cleanup listing. New articles are also a prime location to find articles that do not yet have references. You can keep an eye on the New Articles list to help prevent the workload from getting any larger. Can we do more? There are bots that will automatically add the WPNJ Project Banner to all articles in our designated categories if we have consensus to request it. Join the discussion here.	Please welcome the following new members to WikiProject New Jersey: No new WPNJ members since the last issue!
In NJ, politics means article updates	Help Wanted
New Leaders in NJ Government Over the past 2 weeks, new legislators have been sworn in, the legislature has new leadership, the 55th Governor of New Jersey has been inaugurated, and we have our first Lt. Governor. All new members of the Legislature have at least stub articles, and many of the templates have been updated. Updating templates Many New Jersey articles utilize stadardized templates to convey information. With elections happening as often as they do in this state, January is always a good time to review these templates and update them with new information. Does your town or county have new elected officials? It's maintainance time on many of our articles on municipalities and counties as well.	Outreach Run across any new editors on New Jersey-related articles? Invite them to join WPNJ! Ask a question, make an offer
Editor's Notes
Editor's news Must have been some winter holiday season in New Jersey, because the project talk page has been unusually quiet. I thought with all that snow, many of us would be inside and doing things here at WP. I hope you all had a wonderful holiday season and are enjoying a healthy and happy 2010!! - Jim Miller See me | Touch me
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DYK for Olav Selvaag

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Materialscientist (talk) 18:00, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

Conducting research on WikiProjects

We are professors at Carnegie Mellon University conducting research on how online groups operate, with a strong history of research on Wikipedia.

We would like to discuss collaborating with you with the goals of both improving integration of new members into your WikiProject as well as advancing the understanding of the science behind online groups.

Our recent research has shown that joining a WikiProject boosts editors' contributions to the project substantially, and that specific kinds of interactions between existing project members and newcomers encourage newcomers to contribute more and longer. We are now working on translating these findings into interventions that will increase the vitality of WikiProjects, helping them attract, motivate, and retain members who are knowledgeable and able to contribute to the project.

We have identified your project (Finance) as an initial candidate that we would love to work with moving forward based on your participants and the amount of assessment work your project needs accomplished. Please feel free to contact me (Prof. Robert Kraut robert.kraut@cmu.edu) with any questions and to find out more.

Information about our research can be found at http://community.hciresearch.org/content/improving-socialization-newcomers-wikiprojects.

If you are interested in this collaboration please contact Rosta Farzan at rfarzan@cs.cmu.edu or leave a note at Rosta Farzan's talk page at (talk)

Thank you,

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Photography in Denmark

Hello Leifern. I have read with interest your background info and have looked at a few articles you have helped to write about Norway. In particular, I liked Architecture of Norway, espeicially as I have spent quite a lot of time and effort myself on Architecture of Denmark.

The main reason I am writing today is that you also appear to have an interest in photography. I was wondering if you would like to take a look at a new article I am writing on Photography in Denmark. It could really do with a few more contibutions from third parties. Feel free to add your own content or just let me know what else you think needs to be done.

Finally, I see you have had a few articles in DYK. If you think this one is a candidate, please help me by submitting it for consideration. I'm afraid I simply cannot use the strange templates they provide! Ipigott (talk) 10:04, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

White Buses

The article about the White Buses needs to be cleaned up, but my English is probably not up to the task, could you be interested in improving the article? Best regards, Ulflarsen (talk) 14:11, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

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A Request for Help

Hi there Leifern :), I noticed your username on Translators Available Norwegian to English, and was wondering if you could help with updating Riaz Ahmed Gohar Shahi on the Norwegian Wikipedia? Riaz Ahmed Gohar Shahi on the English Wikipedia has been majorly revamped- particularly, its being treated as a BLP now, since no one has been able to find evidence of his death. I'm sorry to say I know little Norwegian, so I'd really appreciate your help in this :), although I understand if you don't have the time. Thanks in advance! Omirocksthisworld(Drop a line) 04:59, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

That seems very reasonable to me :). Thanks, Omirocksthisworld(Drop a line) 06:16, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

Need your help treanslating important articles from English to Norwegian

These articles which are about Israel needs to be translated into the several current anti-Israel articles in the Norwegian Wikipedia to balance the bias. Is there any chance I could contact you about this important work through Email/Instant messaging? TheCuriousGnome (talk) 04:27, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Rats in New York City

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White Buses

The article about the White Buses is still tagged, if you have time and interest, could you have a look at it? I will use some time myself on the version in Bokmål/Riksmål but good if someone with better knowledge of English could take care of the article here. Best regards - Ulflarsen (talk) 22:12, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

Otto Eisler

In case you were not already aware, I responded to your DYK nomination withdrawal at T:TDYK#Otto Eisler. --Cryptic C62 · Talk 01:50, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Otto Eisler

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Rate for Time series

Hi,

What are the units for the rate being graphed in this chart? --SaskatchewanSenator (talk) 20:05, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Rats in New York City

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File source problem with File:Christian Frederik.jpeg

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File source problem with File:Carl Johan Bernadotte.jpg

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Eiliv Austlid

As soon as possible, you should add references to your new article Eiliv Austlid. It looks somewhat incomplete so I didn't tag it with anything, but it's worth doing sooner rather then later. Thanks, Gosox⁽⁵⁵⁾₍₅₅₎ 14:53, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

Great addition. It was a gaping hole in our coverage. I added an image. Rettetast (talk) 10:40, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Refugee controversy in Sjöbo

Um, I think you missed the fact that the article was moved from my sandbox to the mainspace yesterday. :P Theleftorium ^(talk) 20:34, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

New category?

Hi! Di you think a Category:Jewish military personnel of World War II could be an ok category? Perhaps it, for obvious reasons, could be interesting to categorize Jews who fought in this particular conflict (not other conflicts, though). Geschichte (talk) 15:42, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

Yes, though it might make sense to subcategorize it further by the country whose flag they served under. In Norway, for example, Norwegian Jews served far out of proportion to their share of the population. Leifern (talk) 17:34, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

Further subcategorization is a question of how many, say, Norwegian Jewish soldiers who get Wikipedia articles, though. (Even Salo Grenning has an article only because of his newspaper career.) Geschichte (talk) 15:10, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

Happy Leifern's Day!

User:Leifern has been identified as an Awesome Wikipedian, and therefore, I've officially declared today as Leifern's day! For being such a beautiful person and great Wikipedian, enjoy being the Star of the day, dear Leifern! Peace, Rlevse 00:04, 1 June 2010 (UTC) A record of your Day will always be kept here.

For a userbox you can add to your userbox page, see User:Rlevse/Today/Happy Me Day! and my own userpage for a sample of how to use it. — Rlevse • Talk • 00:04, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Eiliv Austlid

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Your contributed article, SS Monte Rosa

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If you think that the article you created should remain separate, you may contest the deletion by adding {{hangon}} to the top of the page that has been nominated for deletion (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag - if no such tag exists then the page is no longer a speedy delete candidate and adding a hangon tag is unnecessary), coupled with adding a note on the talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the page meets the criterion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the page that would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Lastly, please note that if the page does get deleted, you can contact one of these admins to request that they userfy the page or have a copy emailed to you. Additionally if you would like to have someone review articles you create before they go live so they are not nominated for deletion shortly after you post them, allow me to suggest the article creation process and using our search feature to find related information we already have in the encyclopedia. Try not to be discouraged. Wikipedia looks forward to your future contributions. Mjroots (talk) 14:28, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

OK, it wasn't recent, but the other article is better developed, and at the correct title. Mjroots (talk) 14:29, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

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Battle of Dombås

Hi Leifern. Thanks for correcting the Battle of Dombås article per the new info. However, I don't see that you provided any references for changes, could you please do that? It's not enough to point to Austlid's article. Also, Austlid's article needs a link to the Battle of Dombås and to the fact that the German soldiers were Fallschirmjägers. I would do this myself, but I just don't have much time these days. Manxruler (talk) 22:09, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

Thought you might be interested

See here. Cheers. IronDuke 00:00, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

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RE: Fast Five (consulting)

There is no need to antagonize me please, I have read the citation when I branded it for CSD and since you said it was improved since I put the tag on, I understand why it was removed, but please don't just brand me as the time-waster because I am doing this with GF(Good Faith) and AGF is good for everyone.Yousou (talk) 11:38, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

Good faith is fine, but it is also important to get acquainted with guidelines for deletion. It is still possible to waste other people's time with all the good faith in the world. Leifern (talk) 12:50, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

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Hello, Leifern. I see you did a ton of work on The Holocaust in Norway article. I removed a comment saying the Catholics did not sign the letter the Protestant bishops wrote to Quisling on 10 November 1942 protesting the treatment of the Jews. The link in the reference is apparently to a copy of the letter itself, which I could not open. The comment about the Catholics not signing is surely true, but it is, I think, original research because it comments on something "missing" from the original document. On that basis alone it should be removed. If it stays (and it should not) then we have to list all the other non-Protestant churches that did not sign: Catholics, Jews, Buddhists, Bahai, Humanists, Zoroastrians, Sikhs, Hindus, etc. Also, the Catholic presence in Norway in 1942 was about 3,000 members, so I'm not sure if it could even be considered part of the "religious establishment". I appreciate your thoughts. --Kenatipo ^speak! 16:32, 28 July 2011 (UTC) --Kenatipo ^speak! 16:57, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

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Jewish deportees from Norway during World War II

Please read WP:IINFO before you restore the list that comprises 99% of the article, again. Yes, it was an atrocity that over 700 people were sent to their deaths. However, the English Wikipedia is not the place to list the name, birth date, hometown, profession, day they were arrested, day they were deported, day they died, age, boat they were deported on, camp they were interned at, and their ID tattoo number for every (or any) Jew who was deported from Norway and died in the concentration camps. The IP's version at least only names the individuals who survived and those who have articles on the English Wikipedia.—Ryulong (竜龙) 11:07, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

There is no basis in WP:INFO for deleting these names. It is not an indiscriminate collection of information more than say a list of mountaintops over xxxx meters or rivers in a country. I consider attempts at deleting these lists an active effort of Holocaust revisionism. You should be ashamed of yourself. Leifern (talk) 11:18, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

It is not Holocaust revisonism to remove an unencyclopedic list of the 768 men and women removed from Norway and everything possible recorded about them. This is not information that belongs on Wikipedia. WP:IINFO covers this exactly. Wikipedia does not need to be host to this information, merely because it is out there. It is clear that myself and the Norwegian IP disagree with what you believe is proper content on Wikipedia.—Ryulong (竜龙) 11:29, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

It covers it exactly only if you believe this list is indiscriminate. I did not compile a random list of names and pile it in. The IP has made a number of additional edits that make it clear that his/her agenda is to put the entire event in doubt. This is a common tactic among revisionists, and you can see the same type of effort in The Holocaust in Norway. I can see he has a willing accomplice in you, though. I know where this is going: the two of you are going to tag-team until I run out of reverts and thereby bully me out of the matter. And you'll succeed, to the detriment of Wikipedia. Congratulations. Leifern (talk) 11:33, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

What sort of farkakt logic is going through your head? It is indiscriminate to list every Jewish Norwegian man, woman, and child who got sent to the concentration camps. If you have an issue with the other edits done to the page, just go back and leave the 1/6 megabyte list off of it.—Ryulong (竜龙) 11:37, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

What is your cut-off of number of victims for the list to become indiscriminate? If I wrote an article naming two victims of a murderer, would you delete those two names? How about 6? 8? Leifern (talk) 11:41, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

You are comparing homicide to genocide.—Ryulong (竜龙) 11:52, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

Were these people murdered or not? Leifern (talk) 12:01, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

I am well aware that my distant relatives were killed by the millions. The fact still stands that Wikipedia does not need to provide a list of all of them that came from a single nation, and you should not be making the analogy that if these people should not be listed, that no person who was killed by another should be mentioned by name on Wikipedia. I have restored your wording of the article, without the list of the 768 Norwegian Jews, but with the IP's list of those who have articles on Wikipedia.—Ryulong (竜龙) 12:09, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

You cite guidelines that have tenuous - to put it kindly - relevance to this issue, and I am merely trying to help you out by asking what distinction you are trying to make. As far as I can tell, your main objection is that "it takes too much space." People do not have to be notable to be named in an article, and "indiscriminate" clearly means that the list is random, without any clear distinction. Neither do the guidelines for lists apply in this case. Then you are making a distinction between genocide and homocide, ignoring that the former is a subset of the latter. Leifern (talk) 12:15, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

Can I make a suggestion? Stop responding to each other for the time being. Why not create a rule to this unnecessary game. The next person who responds to the other in this indented section, automatically loses the arguments being made. Meaning, they will have gotten the last word in, but they have lost the argument. Russavia ^{Let's dialogue} 12:18, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

Russavia, this is not kindergarten. I appreciate your constructive suggestion and have in fact followed it, but please spare me this kind of patronizing stuff. Leifern (talk) 12:22, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

Leifern, whilst the list is not indiscriminate, it isn't really appropriate for an encyclopaedia. HOWEVER, having said that, the complete referenced list would be suitable for inclusion at Wikisource. If you were to transplant that list to Wikisource, you could then include an external link to the link from the article here on Wikipedia, and I don't think there would be an editor here who would object to that. The list itself should probably only really include notable people. Think about that option, because the way consensus is at the moment, it is not in your favour. And if you continue to accuse people of being Holocaust revisionists, you may find yourself blocked for making personal attacks. You obviously have information that you wish to include; work with other editors to find the most appropriate place for it; Wikisource is the way to go. Russavia ^{Let's dialogue} 11:48, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the suggestion. I will look into it. I believing that Ryulong is acting in good faith, though clearly he has a strange interpretation of notability and "indiscriminate" guidelines. There does seem to be a prevailing trend to not include lists of victims in other articles I've looked at (and Ryulong would have been a lot more persuasive if he/she had made that point). The IP is actually making an effort to subvert the issue, and it's hard to interpret his/her actions as anything but revisionism. Leifern (talk) 12:01, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

I think all of you are acting in good faith. The more relevant information is WP:LISTS and also things like WP:N. The information isn't indiscriminate in that the contents are very well defined, and that is done by way of "Jewish people were deported from Norway during WWII"; and that definition is obviously a notable topic, evidenced by the references in the article itself. However, as you mentioned, long lists are often not included for varying reasons. To give you an example of something I have been toying with writing for sometime; Russian Anzacs - that being Russian born people who fought for Australia during World War I. The topic is notable, and a scholar has done some excellent research on the subject, and has information on almost every Russian Anzac who is known. But an article on the subject on WP wouldn't include a list of all 1,000 Russian Anzacs, but it would include notable subjects within that theme. A complete list of course could be suitable for Wikisource because the information has been published. Definitely go to Wikisource, place your referenced list there, come back and place a link within the article WP:ELs, and if anyone has a problem with that, you let me know, and I will argue the inclusion on your behalf and/or with you. Russavia ^{Let's dialogue} 12:39, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

Aside from the fact that I apparently cannot spell "homicide" and that I was using what is feasibly the wrong criteria, these edits are not vandalism. Vandalism is the bad faith removal of material. The IP is trying to improve the page by removing content that he believes is not suitable for it.—Ryulong (竜龙) 12:32, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

Regarding the list, I have posted a proposal to the article's discussion page. Ulflarsen (talk) 18:31, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

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Looking for a source for this quotation

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America's first telegram was sent by Morse on January 6, 1838, across two miles of wiring. The message read "A patient waiter is no loser."

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Could not find a source for this above quote that you added to Telegraphy. The quote is now removed. If you do see this and have a source, please re-add the quote.

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The Bugle: Issue LXXVII, August 2012

Your Military History Newsletter Project news: From the editors; award recipients; contest results Articles: The month's Featured and A-class content Book reviews: Nick-D on the legacy of World War II Op-ed: Bomzibar on German military history

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Military history coordinator election

The Military history WikiProject has started its 2012 project coordinator election process, where we will select a team of coordinators to organize the project over the coming year. If you would like to be considered as a candidate, please submit your nomination by 14 September. If you have any questions, do not hesitate to contact one of the current coordinators on their talk page. This message was delivered here because you are a member of the Military history WikiProject. – Military history coordinators (about the project • what coordinators do) 09:24, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue LXXVIII, September 2012

Your Military History Newsletter Project news: From the editors; award recipients; contest results Articles: The month's Featured and A-class content Book reviews: AustralianRupert on artillery in South Australia, and Nick-D on Venice's empire Op-ed: Nick-D on the "Kokoda: Beyond the Legend" conference

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The Bugle: Issue LXXIX, October 2012

Your Military History Newsletter Project news: From the editors; milestone for the Fortifications task force; contest results Articles: The month's new Featured and A-class content Book reviews: Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/News/October 2012/Hawkeye7 on mission command Op-ed: The ed17 on how The Bugle could be improved

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List of deportees

It's not my fault that the list was deleted on another website because it doesn't belong there. It was removed from Wikipedia because it doesn't belong here either. Do not place the list onto this project, again. We decided a while back that it's not the proper place to host it.—Ryulong (琉竜) 05:02, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

Also, it's already been moved back here.—Ryulong (琉竜) 05:11, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

Unless you are royalty, "we" decided no such thing. You suggested, after pressure from a blatant Holocaust revisionist, that the list would be appropriate at the commons, and I agreed as a gesture of good faith toward you. If you didn't think it belonged there, either, you clearly acted in bad faith and are no admitting it. There is absolutely no basis in policy or guidelines to exclude such a list. Wikipedia is not paper. --Leifern (talk) 05:56, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

I didn't move it to the Commons. I moved it to Wikisource where it was deleted earlier this year due to their own inclusion policies which I was not aware of when I made the move to get it off of the English Wikipedia. And there is a basis in the policies and guidelines that say to exclude the list and that is WP:IINFO. It's not relevant for an encyclopedia to include a list of the names, occupations, dates of birth, port of entry, dates of death, etc. of every Jewish person deported in Norway. It may be important for you because you worked so hard on compiling the list, but it is not something Wikipedia should cover within the article about the deportation itself. Again, it's been restored on the English Wikipedia at List of Jewish deportees from Norway during World War II. So get off of my back, stop complaining about being slighted concerning the inclusion policies of this project and its sisters, and stop accusing that one IP of being a "Holocaust revisionist" for not thinking the list was proper content for Wikipedia.—Ryulong (琉竜) 10:32, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

You might want to review the edits the IP tried to make. There is no basis in policy or guidelines for not including such a list, and I will thank you not to speculate on my motivations. And I "got on your back" by courteously informing you that the issue has come up again. You can be sure I won't bother with that again. --Leifern (talk) 17:55, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

Category:Current heirs apparent

Category:Current heirs apparent, which you created, has been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 00:36, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue LXXX, November 2012

Your Military History Newsletter Project news: From the editors; awards and honours; contest results Articles: The month's new Featured and A-Class content Book reviews: Sturmvogel_66, AustralianRupert, and Nick-D look at ships, soldiers, and railways Op-ed: Nick-D on navigating the FA and A-Class review processes

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Hello Leifern

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The Bugle: Issue LXXXI, December 2012

Your Military History Newsletter Project news: From the editors; awards and honours; contest results Articles: The month's new Featured and A-Class content Book reviews: Simon Harley on British battleships and Nick-D on the French Resistance Interview: Five editors discuss some less-represented areas of military history Op-ed: Ian Rose looks back on 2012

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WP Norway in the Signpost

The WikiProject Report would like to focus on WikiProject Norway for a Signpost article. This is an excellent opportunity to draw attention to your efforts and attract new members to the project. Would you be willing to participate in an interview? If so, here are the questions for the interview. Just add your response below each question and feel free to skip any questions that you don't feel comfortable answering. Multiple editors will have an opportunity to respond to the interview questions, so be sure to sign your answers. If you know anyone else who would like to participate in the interview, please share this with them. Have a great day. –Mabeenot (talk) 18:56, 12 January 2013 (UTC)