User talk:Kudpung/Archive Jul 2013

Are you willing to let me back, having learned my lesson?

Hello Kudpung, I'm not evading the block you placed on me nearly a year ago. This is a large request. Would you be willing to consider letting me (Anderson), back? I've learned my lesson, i will follow all restrictions, I will stay away from WP:PERM and i will return to contributing to articles.

Thanks!--111.69.181.154 (talk) 05:00, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

• Stalking a bit: This is evading by itself, but I'm not wanting to be bureaucratic about it. Personally, If I were to even entertain the idea, I would want to see a topic ban on CVUA and anything admin related. And I would want to research a bit. I'm not convinced the competence is there. It wasn't before. Dennis Brown | 2¢ | WER 09:24, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

• (From another talk page stalker) His request, via UTRS, has also been posted at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Archive250#Anderson unblock request. Voceditenore (talk) 12:54, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

• Kudpung, you're the last admin to modify his block. I suggest unlocking User talk:Anderson so he can respond there. Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 14:57, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

I have commented on the ANI discussion. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 05:46, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

Need eyes on Emmanuel College (Queensland)

Hi Kudpung. Could you keep an eye on Emmanuel College (Queensland). Semi-protection expired yesterday and the IP (pretty obviously the litigant) immediately resumed edit-warring to use the article as a soapbox for his law suit. See my comments at Talk:Emmanuel College (Queensland)#Edit warring re litigation. See also Wikipedia:Articles for creation/Rowe v Emmanuel College (created by a user with the same name as the litigant). Best, Voceditenore (talk) 06:46, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

Page protected. There's not much I can do about the AfC because I don't know how to use the special tools they have, but you might wish to put a heads up on the WT:AFC for the reviewers in case it slips through. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 07:02, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

FYI

[1] PantherLeapord (talk) 09:41, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

Just to let you know

I have mentioned you on my talk page. XOttawahitech (talk) 23:43, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

Yes, I saw it already. My own thoughts are that banned/indeffed and clearly retireed users are not what are supposed to be on the 'missing editors' list. That list is essentially for prolific users who, for some reason, have suddenly stopped editing and no longer respond to messages or emails. Furthermore, Wikipedia projects are not able to create walled gardens, anyone can post on any areas that are under the tutelage of a project whether invited or not. Cheers, Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 23:49, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

Comments

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Adoption

Hiya,

I see that User:Avinendra is awaiting adoption. I've already confirmed, and he said he would want someone to adopt him. Would you be free to do that?

Also, could you tell me how many more adoptees would/could you take? Just so I know if I've to forward any more adoptees to you :)

TheOriginalSoni (talk) 11:41, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the confidence, but I don't do adoptions. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 13:13, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

Okay now I'm confused. I think I did see you offering an adoption to a user somewhere, which is why I was under the impression you did.

Also, could I interest you into taking an adoptee or two? :) TheOriginalSoni (talk) 13:31, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the confidence again, but I don't do adoptions and never did. You're probably confusing me with someone else. My schedule with Wikipedia is already full to overflowing, and although it appears that I am on Wiki 24/7 (I very often am) I do also have a very busy RL. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 13:38, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

No worries. Thanks, and sorry for the mistake. If I come across the post that ended up confusing me. I'll surely show it to you.

Also, I'll request you to consider doing so in the future. We just dont have enough people ready to help the transition of the newer editors :)

Cheers, and thank you.

TheOriginalSoni (talk) 14:40, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

• Hello,

I noted that we were in requirement of CVUA instructors. Would my services for the same be required?

Also, I note that the CVUA Academy courses depend strictly on the adopter involved. I was wondering what would happen if we shift the way these courses are designed so its the same course at a unified location for everyone, and everyone lends a hand? Specifically, I was impressed with the efficiency with which User:Jackson Peebles has his adopt a user course running. TheOriginalSoni (talk) 08:16, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

Sounds like a good idea. I suggest you discuss it with Jackson. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 14:30, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

Eventually, I'd like to incorporate CVUA into my Adoption course. That'll take time, though, since they're so distinct. However, anyone is free to edit my lessons if it makes them better! Just like everything else here, it's collaborative. Almost all of it is based on User:Go Phightins!, anyhow. --Jackson Peebles (talk) 17:40, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

Hey Jackson,

I am of the opinion that the two courses must remain distinct from each other, at least for now. While adoption has a vandalism chapter of its own, CVUA is a good way to get those involved who might otherwise not be interested in learning everything/ doing everything here.

But I do like the idea of a structured course for CVUA.

TheOriginalSoni (talk) 19:39, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

My RFPERM

I thought it only seemed fair to give some explanation regarding my immediate use of STiki when I came to the project, and to ask a question of my own. I don't make much of a secret of my past on Wikipedia, but I've edited this site since 2007 (even admitting as much here). I lost the password to my previous account, so I created Signalizing. I decided to jump into RC Patrolling, after doing it on Wikia, and having done that previously on my original account (even having been approved to use VandalProof after 2 months of work). My understanding of Rollback is that it's no big deal. Is that a farce? I'm somewhat confused as to the rationale for my denial, and why there's such a disparity of standards between admins for granting a rollback button. Signalizing (talk) 01:00, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

I just wanted to mention that gaining rollback certainly wasn't my intention with this post. I merely wanted to understand the thought process and rationale behind the initial denial. Signalizing (talk) 01:11, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

(edit conflict):These minor rights might not be a big deal, but you'd be surprised how many of the requests come from new users who are simply hat collecting. You've probably noticed that the vast majority of requests for perms get declined. Most admins probably don't look much further than the edit count tool and the contributions log to verify accurate vandal patrolling - quite understandably so. It would have helped significantly if you had provided the above background in your request. Right now accorded. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 01:16, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

(edit conflict) You're absolutely right. In retrospect, I should have mentioned that initially, and I apologize for any confusion. I naïvely thought that the accuracy of my reverts, AIV reports, and time here would speak for itself. Out of sheer curiosity, what do you typically look for when you grant permissions, as far as an edit count goes? I've heard of admins declining requests unless they see 1,000 mainspace contributions. Signalizing (talk) 01:26, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

Fromm WP:ROLLBACK: While there is no fixed requirement, a request is unlikely to be successful without a contribution history that demonstrates an ability to distinguish well intentioned edits with minor issues from unconstructive vandalism. There are no fixed guidelines for rollback and it depends entirely on admin discretion. It's something admins don't discuss among themselves, noted that there are very few admins who actually work on PERMS. Those who do so regularly more or less appear to use similar criteria. What we look for is an overall edit count of around 500 or more to article space with a couple of hundred correct manual reverts of clear cases of vandalism, and without having to examine every edit to see what it was. The ES is therefore very important, even if using Twinkle. We also check block logs, and the users' talk pages for other warnings because a degree of general maturity/competency also needs to be determined. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 01:37, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for your prompt responses and for trusting me with the tool. Signalizing (talk) 05:09, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Civility Barnstar
	For this rather civil note and invitation..... ƬheStrikeΣagle sorties 14:58, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

Wow! Thanks :) Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 15:09, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

How to put Status Legend

How to put the Status Legend of me in here just like yours? Can you help me to put mine just like yours, but different Status Legend. Thanks.

Jianhui67 (talk) 17:29, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

code

Copy the contents of the grey box below and paste it into your vector.js page. Clear your browser cache, then reload your talk and user pages. It should work. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 17:41, 5 July 2013 (UTC) /* Status changer puts a coloured blob in the top bar of your user page and talk page to notify users of your online status */ //////////STATUS CHANGER // Creator: Misza13 // Credits: Voyagerfan5761 for some minor improvements // Modified by Xenocidic to simply use /Status as a one word indicator, // Modified by Kraftlos to include Sleep status // compatible with {{Statustop}} for display addOnloadHook(function (){ //Check if the config is defined if (typeof(statusChangerConfig) == 'undefined') { statusChangerConfig = {} } if (typeof(statusChangerConfig.statusList) == 'undefined') { statusChangerConfig.statusList = [ 'online', 'busy', 'around', 'offline', 'sleep' ]; } if (typeof(statusChangerConfig.statusPage) == 'undefined') { statusChangerConfig.statusPage = 'User:' + wgUserName + '/Status'; } //Add the links for (var i=0; i<statusChangerConfig.statusList.length; i++) { var stat = statusChangerConfig.statusList[i]; var message = (stat === "sleep") ? link = "asleep" : link = stat; addPortletLink( "p-personal", //target tab - personal links wgServer + wgScript + "?title=" + statusChangerConfig.statusPage + "&action=edit&newstatus=" + stat, //link URL stat, //link text "pt-status-" + stat, //id of new button "I'm " + message + "!", //hover text "", //??? document.getElementById("pt-logout")); //add before logout button } if (location.href.indexOf("&action=edit&newstatus=") == -1) return; //Are we here to auto-edit the status? //Get new status statusRegExp = /&action=edit&newstatus=(.*)/; var status = statusRegExp.exec(location.href)[1]; //Modify the form document.getElementById('wpTextbox1').value = status; if (status == "sleep") { status = "sleeping"; } document.getElementById('wpSummary').value = wgUserName + " is now " + status +"."; document.getElementById('wpMinoredit').checked = true; //Submit it! document.getElementById('editform').submit(); }); //[[Category:Wikipedia scripts|statusChanger]]

What is the vector.js page? Jianhui67 (talk) 16:32, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

Why don't you just do it for me? Jianhui67 (talk) 17:29, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

Perhaps because of the notice on the top of this talk page (the one about being busy) which I would expect users to respect, except for urgent issues requiring my intervention as an admin. There's nothing urgent about your request, but if I get time over the weekend, I'll see what I can do. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 17:49, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

Then I thank you in advance. Jianhui67 (talk) 18:03, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

I have created the page for you at User:Jianhui67/vector.js and inserted the code. You must now go to your user preferences (I can't do that for you) and check that you are using the 'vector' skin as your default skin for viewing and editing Wikipedia. Then clear your browser cache. It should work, but if it doesn't, don't hesitate to ask another user who uses the same script, such as user:Callanecc. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 18:05, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

NPR School

Hi Kudpung, I'm Kudu ^~I/O~ and I was wondering whether you could take me on as a student for WP:NPRSCHOOL. I've done a bit of NPP in the past but I've never felt completely experienced, so I'd like to learn it better. Kudu ^~I/O~ 16:29, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

HI KuduIO. Thanks for asking, but right now I'm simply too busy to take on any extra work. You could try asking one of the instructors at the WP:CVUA. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 16:32, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

Hi Kudpung, no problem, I completely understand. I don't think CVUA will help though: I already have counter-vandalism experience, it's mostly the deletion process about which I know less. Kudu ^~I/O~ 16:43, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

In which case, if you thoroughly read, understand, and inwardly digest the pages at WP:NPP, WP:PAGCUR, WP:DELETION, WP:COPYVIO, WP:COI, and WP:NOTABILITY, you should be OK. I don't mind answering the occasional question. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 16:56, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

Anna Frodesiak's foray into PERM

Hi Kudpung! Sorry to bug you with this, but it would really help me get started.

Which of the following would be least hazardous if I made a bad approval decision?

• Autopatrolled
• Reviewer
• Rollback
• File mover

I've started looking at approved and declined rollback requests. I may be ready to work on that. This would be what I would look at. Please let me know if I'm on the right track.

• History of reverting vandalism (min 200)
• Clear understanding of what constitutes vandalism
• Edit count and to a lesser extent time served
• Talk page and archives showing no/few complaints about edit warring

You recently wrote "...You have only made only 216 edits to mainspace, and though 170 of them are legitimate reverts, far from all of them are for vandalism...." Is there a counter for that?

Cheers, Anna Frodesiak (talk) 21:53, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

Hi Anna. None of them are really hazardous and you're not likely to make a mistake.

Autopatrolled has a recommended threshold of 50 mainspace articles (DAB pages and redirects are not taken into consideration). The quick way I do it because my Internet is slow, is to click on 'created' and then go down the list loading each one in a new browser tab. That way, when I clicked on them all, the first few pages have started loading. I generally discount short stubs because they don't have enough content to demonstrate a broad knowledge of content policy and guidelines. I look for good format, perfect referencing, no bare URLs, no maintenance tags, reasonably good English, proper punctuation,correct and capitalisation in the page name; in fact there should be no issues that a new page patroller would have tagged for. I also check to see if any images uploaded by the creator comply with regulations. With longer articles, it's wise to look at the edit history because all the user may have done was to initially create a stub, and some imperfections may have been added by others. I very rarely accord the right for under 50 creations, and I judge whether or not it's a case of hat collecting - autopatrolled is not a 'right' or a privilege, or a badge of merit, it provides no technical advantages or tools for the user.

Reviewer has a low threshold, but it's essential to check that the user does not have a history of bad edits themselves. Look for warnings on their talk page and talk page archives. Generally anyone with less than 500 edits (IMO) would not have accrued sufficient experience.

Rollbacker: generally as you have said above. Again, I look to see if they are not just hat collecting (often the case in younger editors). I generally look for a minimum of 500 edits to mainspace with at least 200 uncontested reverts of blatant vandalism. Apart from the edit counter, there is no other tool as far as I know, but I select '(articles)' from their edit contributions, then copy and paste the list into a powerful text editor and look for the word 'reverted'. That gives me a list of edits with 'reverted' in the edit summary, and then I start checking through.

File mover: Don't worry too much about that one. It tends to sort itself out, and even I don't accord the rights there because I don't want to tread on the toes of the image savvy admins who take very good care of it.

AWB: There is a clear cut set of guidelines for this. It's not a user right. It's simply that the actual request page for it is transcluded to PERM.

Some requests are suspicious enough to check for recently declined requests. Sometimes editors will make a batch of requests at once for all the rights, you can probably guess what I do there. Sometimes socks will use their accounts to ask for rights and place a positive NAO with their other account - (this occasionally happens with editors who have a long-term agenda and want to escape the new page patrol system). If questions are not answered after about 3 days the request is is generally declined as not being urgent enough.Sometimes NAO comments are helpful, (see: this but they almost always come from wannabe maintenance workers. There is no real need for them, they are rarely helpful because we have to recheck everything ourselves anyway, and PERM is not an RfA style election process. I generally ignore such comments, but occasionally they are from other admins who are expecting a second opinion. The one example is user:Armbrust who has been doing an excellent job for years of archiving, and generally looking after the pages. His knowledge of policy is good, and his non admin closures are usually spot on so we leave him alone to get on with it. You can probably guess what I do with those. I don't expect every admin is as pedantic as I am, but I hope this helps. Good luck. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 01:49, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

If I may: rollback used to be a right granted with care, but regular Twinkle, which anyone can get a hold of, comes with it. So essentially the granting or not granting of rollback has become pretty meaningless. Biggest thing is to see if the user seems to understand a. what vandalism is and b. that IP editors are editors too (typically it's IPs that get rolled back like there's no tomorrow). Good luck in your new job, Anna. Drmies (talk) 01:56, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

I have always believed that it is important to establish if requests for perm are not simply hat collecting. My experience of having closed hundreds of requests is that many of them clearly appear to be. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 04:14, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

Thank you both for the guidance. I've got a bit of offwiki on my plate so will get started as soon as I can. :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 09:27, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

Question

Am i still able to use Talkback on an editor's page if i leave them a message on an article talk page? Regards,--Anderson - What's up? 03:44, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

You may, as long as it's relevant to an article you are editing and not for social banter.Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 03:47, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar
	Thank you for helping me to create the status legend. :) Jianhui67 (talk) 06:20, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

Thank you :) Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 06:25, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

re:What the heck?

This is about views, not edits. We're being spammed, or perhaps even attacked. I'm not sure. Serendi^podous 06:54, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

You've got mail!

Hello, Kudpung. Please check your email; you've got mail!
Message added 23:02, 7 July 2013 (UTC). It may take a few minutes from the time the email is sent for it to show up in your inbox. You can at any time by removing the {{You've got mail}} or {{ygm}} template.

Jackson Peebles (talk) 23:02, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

Saturn

I recently added and sourced that saturn has 62 moons and not 20. Do you (In your opinion) think that that is a good way to prevent disagreement on the number of moons the planet has? I can undo my change to Saturn if you disagree. Regards,--Anderson - What's up? 05:08, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

I'm not going to read the entire web site at [2] to locate the exact source of your citation, but if somewhere in there the exact nmber ist stated, then I think you would be free of any contentions claims otherwise. If your edit gets reverted however, remember that under the terms of your unblock you must start a discussion on it on the article talk page before you do anything else. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 05:21, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

You might find this interesting

[3] Regarding a discussion you dropped in on at cullen's page. Gtwfan52 (talk) 08:10, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

Yes, well, just feeling sorry for an editor is not a reason to accept an AfC. I often really feel bad about having to delete some articles, as my talk page archives will demonstrate, but the problem clearly lies at the door of the Foundation who will not accept the priority for the development of a proper landing page for new, new article creators that clearly explains in simple terms what they may and may not create - as a lot of recent discussions will show. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 08:25, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

Agreed. Gtwfan52 (talk) 08:27, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

Restore Dax Networks Page.

Hi, You are requested to restore Dax Networks Page. Company is top 3 networking company in India and provide all networking solution including high end Enterprise Networking solution etc. Company is more than 25 yeas old, which is significance of notability. (125.63.75.30 (talk) 09:14, 8 July 2013 (UTC))

 Not done. Sorry, but I will only entertain a request if it made by the creator. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 09:21, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Civility Barnstar
	You have been so civil to me for 2 times already. I think that should be enough to fetch you a barnstar and a cup of coffee/tea. ✉→Arctic Kangaroo←✎ 15:29, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

What can I do to get noticed?

Are there any good things I can do within my unblock conditions for people to notice me in a good way, not for the disruption I caused last year? Regards,--Anderson - What's up? 00:37, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

Unfortunately probably not. People do not join Wikipedia to get noticed. Those who get noticed are mainly those who make a nuisance of themselves and the admins who have to do something about it. Some users get noticed because they have done things to help change major policies, or help develop new technical ideas, or have very special skills, but these are things that come with being on Wikipedia for a very long time. Most people are quite happy to simply edit, make their contributions quietly, and enjoy an inward pride in being part of a great project. A bit like the Peace Corps. If you work consistently and well on the articles you like, you'll get noticed and appreciated by the people around you there. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 01:20, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

This is a comment by a talk page stalker: There is negative notice, and there is positive notice. The way to get positive notice is to produce new, well-written, well-referenced articles on notable topics; and to improve, expand and reference existing articles; and to participate in policy discussions in a thoughtful, low-key way; and in general, to work diligently every day to improve the encyclopedia. Avoid drama with a ten foot pole, thank other positive contributors, and assist new editors. After a few months of such activity, you will find that you have gained some well-earned respect. I wish you well. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 01:33, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the suggestions.--Anderson - What's up? 20:48, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

User:Mike Searson and promotional material

I noticed that you closed the request for action regarding Mike Searson as being merely a content dispute and not requiring admin action. I beg to differ because IMHO it is not merely a content dispute. If it was I wouldn't have brought it to ANI. Instead it shows the double standards that apply here on en-WP. The articles created by Mike Searson are blatantly promotional, and so is the material added by him to various weapons related articles, so promotional that it would have been swiftly deleted with no discussion if the articles had been created by an "ordinary" editor, or an "ordinary" editor had added the material to a number of articles, but since Mike Searson, apparently, is a well known gun writer off-wiki his "peers" on gun articles are letting him get away with it, which can be clearly seen on the AfDs. I would also like to point out that I'm not the only one who has removed the material from the articles for being promotional, it has also been done by other editors who, like me, are more "vandalism fighters" than "gun nuts". Thomas.W ^{talk to me} 08:59, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

Hi Thomas. I still think this is a content dispute and there are other noticeboards that can be approached before admin action is necessary. Our mission is to diffuse rather than escalate unnecessarily. That the articles are now at AfD is sufficient, and there you will get your verdict (I've even voted on one of them myself). I think 'double standards' is taking things a tad too far - I know nothing about the editors involved, nor am I an expert on the subject matter. That said, if there are any future incidents that require direct admin intervention, you are welcome to open a new case, and if the articles are deleted at AfD, it may support your future claims. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 09:09, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

A cup of tea for you!

I really appreciate your constant work on wikipedia and off-wiki projects, Here's a cup of tea to help keep you awake when you have to be on wikipedia 24/7. Anderson - What's up? 22:18, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

Polite Request

I, Retrolord, would sincerely appreciate it if you would stop holding discussions about me or commenting on them without notifying me, I don't do that to you, so please don't do it to me. ★★RetroLord★★ 04:08, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

You do. And I won't be told by you what I can do here in the interests of helping users to be better editors. You have banned me from your talk page (in a most immature manner), so it would be polite if you would finally reciprocate. Thanks. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 04:17, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

Okey dokey. I can see you're not terribly interested in responding in a civil manner. I'll ask again, please stop holding conversations about me on other peoples talk pages, Its happened twice that I know of, probably more, please stop it. ★★RetroLord★★ 04:19, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

You need to take a lesson or two in civility, my friend. I will now be asking for another admin's opinion on this. Now just stay out of here, please. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 04:24, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

Your posting at a recent RfA

I'm at a loss as to what could have happened here: [4]. Do you have any idea how your edit could have included a posting there I'd not made? AndyTheGrump (talk) 15:47, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

Totally unintentional. I think I know what may happened, but I'll investigate in the morning and let you know. Gotta put the kids to bed. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 16:13, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

Good morning Andy (afternoon or evening wherever you are). I've looked into this. I won't bore you with all the technical details as it was my fault and not a software glitch. Thanks for noticing it, correcting it, and letting me know about it. It's an editing error I've never made before, and it's most unlikely to occur again. Apologies for any inconvenience caused. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 02:30, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

Ok, thanks. AndyTheGrump (talk) 02:36, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

I was going to put up a fake block template here, for "impersonation", but felt it better to not test to the boundaries of Kudpung's humor today ;-) Dennis Brown | 2¢ | WER 11:34, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

PantherLeapord (talk) 11:51, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

IRC office hours for wiki-mentors and Snuggle users

Hi. We're organizing an office hours session with the Teahouse to bring in mentors from across the wiki to try out Snuggle and discuss it's potential to support mentorship broadly. The Snuggle team would appreciate it if you would come and participate in the discussion. We'll be having it in #wikimedia-office ^connect on Wed. July 17th @ 1600 UTC. See the agenda for more info. --EpochFail^{(talk • work)}, Technical 13 (talk), TheOriginalSoni (talk) 18:27, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

Hi! I just wanted to post a reminder that this discussion will be happening in about 24 hours. If you haven't already used Snuggle, I recommend giving it a try before the meeting. I'll be in #wikimedia-office ^connect a half hour early to answer any questions you have. --EpochFail^{(talk • work)} 15:50, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

Thai station naming

Hi there, I noticed you were in Thailand and I wondered if you could help me with a small Thai language problem. I brought up an issue here because there seemed to currently be no standard way for station articles in Thailand to be named. It seems the accepted convention for station articles is to try and name the articles as they are referred to in their local language (if the words 'railway station' are proper nouns then the article should be named 'X Railway Station', if not, the article should be named named 'X railway station'). It'd be a great help if you could just clarify how train stations are referred to in the Thai language. Cheers! Jr8825 • Talk 04:03, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

I do indeed live in Thailand and have doe so for many years. However, I never use the trains. All railway stations have their name in English on the front of the building, but it will be a couple of days before I can drive past one and find out how they do this. No urgency as far as MoS is concerned. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 07:13, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply, it's not drastically important, but if you could do so it'd be a great help. Thanks! Jr8825 • Talk 07:39, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

BTW, there is no guarantee however, that there is any consistency between the many railway stations in Thailand. There is not even any consistency in the transliteration from Thai to Roman script! Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 07:53, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

Sockpuppet for Thmc1 Found! REPLY APPRECIATED!

This is to alert you that user MazabukaBloke is definitely a sockpuppet for Thmc1, see sockpuppet investigation log WP:Sockpuppet_investigations/Thmc1/Archive. His block evasive IP 173.63.176.93 was just blocked off YESTERDAY for misinformation in an edit war against another block evasive(66.108.119.85) on the "Chinatown, Manhattan" article. Now he's already reverted the latest edit by 66.108.119.85 with the username MazabukaBloke. An examination of his log will show virtually the same edits, same style, same grammar to the same articles as IP 173.63.176.93. 3 sockpuppet investigations later he's still editing on WP. I strongly suggest that you block off this IP(temporarily, although I'd prefer permanently) as a continuation of your investigation against him in 2012.MBaxter1 (talk) 17:58, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

Hi Baxter. Your message is your first edit since 10 months. With only 6 edits to mainspace in 3 years, I would suggest that you probably have more time to add this to the SPI case than I do. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 23:43, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

Thank you!

Thank you so much for taking the time to answer the question here, I was busy with some queries, IRC, Snggle and reviewing CVUA guidelines for new instructors, so my answer was not helpful as much.. Yes I signed up as a CVUA instructor as per your advice :) But again, thank you for taking the time to post such a nice and helpful answer! Thank you! Prabash.Akmeemana 02:08, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

Cybolton and Techatology

They appear to have a sockpuppeteer and sockpuppet relationship. Cybolton was created on 21:39, 15 June 2013[5] and Techatoloy was created about two hours later on 23:43, 15 June 2013 [6]. Both began editing Philippines related articles. Techatology awarded Cybolton a barnstar on July 2[7]. Next came the real problems. An article by Cycbolton was rejected at AfC on July 5[8] and Techatology, on the same day, accepts it[9]. If you compare their contribution histories[10] and [11] the pattern and timing is clear. I was going to report this to SPI, but they are so backup I thought I would let you know since I saw that you already had a discussion with Techatology.--I am One of Many (talk) 18:00, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. I'll look into it. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 00:43, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/

It appears you accidentally created an SPI request on a redirect. I have reverted it for you. Cheers, Tiptoety ^talk 02:44, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

This may be a bug - AFAIK, I followed the instructions implicitly by using the submission window. I'll try to do it again and I would appreciate it you would watch. Thanks. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 02:48, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

You were very close. You simply missed inserting the sockmaster's username after the "/". Tiptoety ^talk 02:50, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

I can't see that. I am obviously missing something although I have filed dozens of SPIs in the past. Can you past an example of the code here please. Thanks. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 02:58, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

I believe you are trying to file an SPI on Cybolton. So, the name of the case should be Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Cybolton. You can achieve this by using Twinkle. To do this go to User talk:Cybolton and click on the TW button at the top, from there just follow the directions. If you do not use Twinkle, go to WP:SPI and scroll down until you see the input box that reads "Investigation (case) to create or re-open:", enter Cybolton, and push "Click to open investigation". Let me know if you need further assistance. Cheers, Tiptoety ^talk 03:03, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

Doh, stupid me!. BTW, I don't appear to have that Twinkle script - where is it? Thanks for all your help  ;) Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 03:10, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

That's alright. We all have brain farts. And as far as Twinkle goes, you should be able to enable it via your preferences. Cheers, Tiptoety ^talk 03:12, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

I actually have dozens of Twinkle features, especially ones only available to admins, but I can't see one in any of the dropdowns that files SPI cases. I'll check it out in my Twinkle prefs. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 03:15, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

Oh, when you click "ARV" a drop down box should appear. Within the drop down box should be an option to file a sockpuppet case. Tiptoety ^talk 03:21, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. Gosh, it was well tucked away - I could have searched for ages to find that. Thanks again :) Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 03:33, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

Sborkel

Why did you delete my page Sborkel?

I put a lot of time into it, why do you delete it?

This is simply an outrage, and I demand an explanation

-Mr. Keizman

It was deleted as a hoax; even if it wasn't, the subject simply wasn't notable enough for inclusion. hmssolent\^{You rang?} _{ship's log} 11:03, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

Mr Keizman, please read the messages on your talk page and then you'll understand. Thanks. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 11:05, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

Do you know how much time it takes after I send a request not to delete the page until I get a response? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alon Keizman (talk • contribs) 11:10, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

NO time at all - the deletion of such pages is almost instantaneous. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 11:14, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

There was an article about him on a major news website can I send you a .jpg file of the article (I took a screen shot of it when it was published) -Mr. Keizman

Thank you for the offer, but there won't be a Wikipedia article about it any time soon. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 11:21, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

Why? But I have proof!!! Can you answer me? I have proof that y story is authentic! I simply don't understand how someone can just say that the thing my life is concentrated around of which is simply un-true!

-Sborkel's trainee

Read WP:N and WP:RS. As far as things stand, your pet bear does not belong on Wikipedia. hmssolent\^{You rang?} _{ship's log} 11:32, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

That's enough now, thank you. PLease read Wikipedia:Your first article - there will be no more replies here. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 11:35, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

Cybolton

Appearently, you have blocked Cybolton for being a sock of Cybolton. Could you fix that for me? buffbills7701 02:18, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

 Done. BTW, please see WT:AFC for various comments about reviewing quality and user experience. Thanks. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 02:35, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Civility Barnstar
	I seriously don't think any other editor here is more civil than you in every message that they post. But you've managed to accomplish that feat. Kudos. ✉→Arctic Kangaroo←✎ 09:33, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

Well, I'm probably not always that patient or polite with people who don't deserve my time, but I'm always happy to help users whose efforts I apperciate even if they get stuff wrong ocasionally; you are always welcome here :) Thanks! Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 09:39, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

Don't worry, I won't penalise you if you get rude/uncivil with people who obviously aren't here to contribute to the project. ✉→Arctic Kangaroo←✎ 09:42, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, but...

Thanks for your note on my talk page. You are very kind, but I have no aspirations along those lines right now. --MelanieN (talk) 14:23, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

Deletion of two articles

Hello, I wanted to know if there is any way for you to restore the articles Viavarejo and Nova Pontocom? The two are well known Brazilian companies, and the information in the articles was verifiable. Thanks, Ubron (talk) 15:32, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

Unfortunately no, and for several reasons: the articles were created by an untrustworthy user, so there is no reason to trust the content; they ware promotional and could also have been deleted under WP:G11; and additionally, notability was not asserted through reliable independent sources for companies according to requirements at WP:ORG. You are welcome to start new articles to replace them, but they must comply with our criteria. If you need any help, let me know. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 22:44, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

Email

Hi there. I've sent you an email, can you take a look at your earliest convenience. Cheers. Steven Zhang ^{Help resolve disputes!} 00:44, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

Hi Steven. No need for email discretion on this. There is really not a lot to fill in. Everything is in the editing histories, talk pages, and archives. Basically very keen but very young with corresponding maturity and cognition issues. We have agreed, after a long discussion between admins to accord a new chance under a very precise set of editing restrictions. If you feel up to it, I see no reason why you should not go ahead, and I am sure you will do a good job. Regards, Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 01:03, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

OK, cool. Is he under any formal mentorship agreement or is there an admin that is keeping an eye on his activites? Steven Zhang ^{Help resolve disputes!} 01:18, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

The key message is here, but to get up to speed I suggest you take a moment to read the entire talk page and the AN archive I linked you to. As you will see, adoption was not a condition, but it was strongly recommended. Several admins are keeping an eye on things and will probably be quick on the trigger if there are any breaches of the condits.Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 01:34, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

I apologize for butting in, But there is NO WAY i would breach any of my conditions, Under any circumstances. I apologize for my tone, But i'm trying to make clear here that i will never breach my conditions.--Anderson I'm Willing To Help 23:05, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

I'm having problems with footnotes

On Talk:Saturn, We agreed that saturn has 150 moons and I've referenced it. However, I'm having a lot of trouble trying to cite it. The reference name is "The population of propellers in Saturn's A Ring". How would i cite this as a footnote?--Anderson I'm Willing To Help 00:44, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

H:FOOT give a lot of examples of markup, while WP:CITE is far more informative. You might also wish to experiment with the Cite button in the toolbar of the standard editing window. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 01:41, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

Anderson, you might also want to look at WP:Citation templates. I fixed the ref and left a note at Talk:Saturn. I'm happy to see you're now trying to be a productive editor and I hope you don't go back to your ways when you were User:Scott Delaney. Good luck. Mojoworker (talk) 05:14, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

TalkBack

Hello, Kudpung. You have new messages at Anderson's talk page.
You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

--Anderson I'm Willing To Help 01:43, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

TalkBack

Hello, Kudpung. You have new messages at Worm That Turned's talk page.
You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

slv (talk) 04:09, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

Talkback

Hello, Kudpung. You have new messages at Talk:Saturn.
You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

I left a handy NASA link on the TP if you want to have a look at it.--Anderson I'm Willing To Help 02:58, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

Well, I don't really have time, but I've provided all the suggestions I can. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 03:20, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

Am I ready for rollback now?

Hello,I think now I'm ready for rollback.Since my request was declined, I have kept working on RC patrolling.Now I've reached a reasonable number of vandalism reverts,and I have learned from a mistake I made recently.I'm not very good at writing articles,so I would like to help this project by fighting vandalism.As I said in my RFPERM,I want rollback in order to use Huggle,and do it more efficiently.Because my previous request hasn't been archived,I don't know if it's good to start a new one.So I'm asking for your opinion on this matter.Lsmll 07:16, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

I've added the Rollback tool to your account. Please read Wikipedia:Rollback very carefully before using it. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 16:35, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

Thank you.I'll read the documentation of Huggle,too.Lsmll 04:56, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Teamwork Barnstar
	Since your work on the list of reviewers started with a suggestion on my part, I will speak for all of us and say thanks for your work in checking up and keeping us organized. —Anne Delong (talk) 04:10, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

Thank you very much Anne. Although I hasten to say that it was not by intention to 'organise' anyone ;) Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 05:29, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

Thai skills

Hey Kudpung. I'm trying to round up some help translating some pages over at MediaWiki into Thai. After spamming the active editors from the th-N category, no luck. Do you know of any likely candidates? Regards, PEarley (WMF) (talk) 06:04, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

No I don't unfortunately. I spent a long time last year trying to get the Thai Wiki organised here in Thailand, but there was little support so I gave up. You might like to ask user:Deryck Chan if he knows anyone, but at the moment he has his hands tied organising Wikimania Hong Kong (where I will also be in a couple of weeks). Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 07:08, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

Okay, I'll give Deryck a shout. It's interesting, th.wiki has quite a few active editors, but seems to be a bit more insular than some of other wikis of comparable size. Anyways, thanks for the advice, and have fun in Hong Kong. PEarley (WMF) (talk) 22:20, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

I almost forgot - there is the guy, ผู้ใช้:Taweetham ,I met with in Bangkok. he was the only one who came to the meeting. He's an arb on the Thai Wiki, speaks fluent English and lives in Australia; You can ping him on the Thai Wiki here or on en.Wiki at User talk:Taweetham. You may also wish to mail him at either of his accounts. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 23:25, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

Excellent, Kudpung. I'll go say hello. PEarley (WMF) (talk) 23:33, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

Username Change?

Would my conditions disallow me from changing my username?--Anderson I'm Willing To Help 22:48, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

Technically it would be possible, but in view of the current restrictions, and your previous use of other accounts, I do not think it would be wise until your 6-month probationary period has expired because Anderson is the name we know you as and the signature that we are watching under that name. You are welcome to ask the other admins who are watching your case, but please refer them to my comments here. Thanks. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 23:19, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

Deletion of Eren Niazi - Please help

Kudpung, I would like to know why you deleted Eren Niazi's wiki page. We were JUST now working on having someone help with references, as I am not a coder, and just asked politely in the Teahouse for help. To take the site down entirely after hours of extensive work is a bit bold and hurtful. We weren't harming anyone with the information. Not to mention this man is giving away technology to charities and deserves an opportunity to be seen and heard.

Please contact me immediately, as I am the brand manager and am trying diligently to get this done.

Also, my email is <redacted>.

I have the same information in a word document that went up online. And if you feel you can help us create a satisfactory wiki page, I would love the help.

(c (talk) 22:19, 19 July 2013 (UTC))

Hi. You may not have noticed above, but this is a weekend (in my time zone) and as we are all volunteers here, we are not obliged to ado anything 'immediately'. I will be happy to look into this when I return to my desk. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 14:33, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

Hi. Curiosity got the better of me because although I have deleted several thousand pages, a request like yours is extremely rare, so working from my mobile device, I can tell you this much: The prose of the deleted article was blatantly promotional, reading in fact like a bio for a social networking site ot B2B listing. The only links were to self populated social networking sites, and there were no referenced independent sources whatsoever that would make the aticle comply with our notability criteria. The article, exceptionally, was taged for deletion by one of our most experienced and most senior admins, and deleted by myself, also a very experienced dministrator, so the uncoordinated opinions of two admins are unlikely to be wrong. Moreover, I notice you use the plural 'we' - please note that teamwork from one account is not allowed. That said, I urgege you to read our Wikipedia:Plain and simple conflict of interest guide before considering a new draft. If you decide to go ahead, I would stronlgly advise looking for WP:Reliable sources first. Regards, Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 14:47, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

Thank you, and please not the use of the word "we" is literally me and I was coordinating with the subject of the article, not a team. Also, I went onto the teahouse to find reputable source of people who understand how to add the references. I actually copied and still have the html code from the previous wiki that sites only a few references. I not only wanted help adding new references but also legitimate images. I agree, it did look like a b2b bio, and that was why I needed help. I am new to wiki and did not realize that you can create a "draft" first before taking it live, nor did I know about TALK pages. Let's just say I am seeking to hire someone who can fix the article and get it approved for the site. As if it weren't for my edits, Eren would still have his wiki, and as you know, timing is everything. As we speak, he is getting a lot of attention for his work in the past (good attention). Is there any area where editors take on projects like this? We have the old code, new draft, reliable sources, images, etc. I look forward to hearing from you. (24.130.158.23 (talk) 17:37, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

Hi. I have indeed noted, and will stress again that 'we' means that you are coordinating your efforts on behalf of the subject of the article. Timing is unfortunately also not everything when building an encyclopedia - Wikipedia is not a news site. There are only two instances when anything here must be done quickly and those are deletions in cases of serious breach of copyright and/or libelous content - which are two of the reasons why any tagged article, especially unsourced biographies, are swiftly deleted. While I will admit that Wikipedia fails to properly inform new users of what they can and cannot do here - it's is an issue which we, the tens of thousands of regular volunteer editors have been trying to explain for several years to Wikimedia, the site's owners who are reluctant do do anything about it - we must strictly uphold the principle that Wikipedia is not a platform for advertising or promotion. And that's why your insistence on urgency and timing emphasises the fact that an update or a recreation of an article about Eren Niazi is part of a campaign. Please be absolutely sure to familiarise yourself with Wikipedia:Plain and simple conflict of interest guide, our Copyright rules), and our Wikipedia:Image use policy beofre creating a new draft in your user space where undere certain circumstases it may also be summarily deleted. There is no 'space' for users wishing to edit for hire or reward; while some users may do it, it's generally dissaproved of and any articles thus created still have to pass the scrutiny of those who patrol for unwanted articles and content - again, please read our COI policy again very carefully. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 23:06, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

I have made some minor edits to your draft, and left some imnportant notes at User talk:Shadesofrespect/Eren Niazi. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 23:56, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

I understand that urgency is not something that I can request. The only reason why I was asking is because if I hadn't edited or updated the OLD wiki site, that was there since 2009, nothing would have happened. And it wouldn't have been deleted. It took 3 years for Eren to get approved for Wiki. So I guess the question I have at this point is, can we put the OLD code back? This is not part of a campaign. He had a wiki longstanding and knew it needed updating. I admit that I had never done this before, and so I asked the TeaHouse for help. I have placed his former site on my create page. Can this go back up? In the mean time, we are hiring someone to help us over the next 12-24 months to improve it, again not urgency. Please advise, as it would be a shame for the man who pioneered Open Source (without him we wouldn't be here on Wiki) to not have his old page back (not the one I had up). (Shadesofrespect (talk) 21:26, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

Provided there is no promotional or libelous content, no copyright violations (text copied from other sources) and no spam links, you can pretty much do what you like in your user space draft, but please see the notes I left at User talk:Shadesofrespect/Eren Niazi on notability requirements and sourcing. When you feel it is ready to be moved to mainspace please ask me or another admin to review it. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 00:32, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

List of largest lakes of Europe

I tried to add some info on some finnish lakes in the list, but apparently talk pages with actual content will be deleted. I've no wish to create a user name, nor do I know if you consider non-english wikipedias a reliable source. 85.76.147.178 (talk) 05:56, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

Deletions without warnings --

I too don't suffer fools gladly.

What you deleted was the CONTENTS of the volume Overland to the Islands.

Will you be deleting the CONTENTS of other volumes to which CONTENTS have been added!?

CONTENTS of volumes are straightforward statements of fact. They are not "interpretations" or "opinions" needing verification.

Shouldn't you find out what is being done before acting!? JNagarya 00:47, 22 July 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by JNagarya (talk • contribs)

Please be civil, provide links to what you want revising, and sign your posts. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 01:15, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

1. It is civil to know what is going on before deleting. It is the opposite to not bother knowing before acting.

2. There is no need to provide links to what I want revising, because that is not what I am doing. The "article" you deleted was the CONTENTS of a volume of poetry. It is not an "interpretation" or "opinion" "article". Have the courtesy to know what is -- and isn't -- going on before throwing your overly-confident (I'm being polite) weight around. JNagarya 03:10, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

FWIW: Correctly deleted per: WP:A1: Not enough context to identify article's subject. The onus is on you to create pages that conform with policies and guidelines before you post them to mainspace - it's not up us to us to do your cleaning up for you. If you wish to have a happy experience on Wikipedia and get friendly advice when you need it, I suggest you change your attitude. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 01:24, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

I recommend you change your attitude, injstead of bullying those who are doing work about which you clearly know zilch. But why should you boter knowing anything about that in which you are a bull in a China shop meddler? -- you obviously already know it all by means of divine insight and ESP.

The "article"'s "subject" is identified at the top of the "article": CONTENTS. It's really easy:

1. Go to the Denise Levertov page.

2. Scroll down to Bibliography-- which I am in the process of developing -- "Primary works," then click on a title link. That will take you to the "article": the CONTENTS of the volume of that title.

Very good advice. -- Brangifer (talk) 01:32, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

You might determine what is actually going on before clicking your two cents together, and asserting a presumption as a conclusion.

By contrast with you two know-it-alls, responses from those who deal with poetry are to the opposite effect. JNagarya 03:10, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

JNagarya has just raised this at ANI. AndyTheGrump (talk) 01:37, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

Yes, I have: one meddler interfered by trashing the Contents of one title, and adding a "redirect" that takes one back to the page one is already on. He is so hypercourteous that he has ignored my explanation as to the nature of the "article" -- TABLE OF CONTENTS of the volume to which linked -- and request that he undo the "redirect".

One other recommnded an immediate delete without notice to me, and without first determining what would be deleted, on the off chance that he could be in error. And a second person deleted it -- without first determining what would be deleted, or notifying me of the fact on the off-chance that he could be in error. Such presumptuousness is not indicative of approachability or cooperativeness.

And I don't suffer fools even ungladly.

What I don't need is rude lectures on how I'm to be courteous from those who haven't the sense to determine what is going on before highhandedly meddling in other's work.

JNagarya 03:11, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

That's enough here, and if you have a justified reason for contesting a deletion, please take it to the appropriate noticeboard for deletion refunds (and that isn't ANI). Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 03:31, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

Asking a question

Does people blanking sections considered as blatant vandalism? They had no reasons why they blanked them, so I reverted them back. And another thing, does people deleting speedy deletion or prod template considered also? Jianhui67 (talk) 11:46, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

(tps) Not necessarily. Editing for new editors can be tricky, and editors have accidentally blanked a section. Best to assume AGF and ask if they need some help. Removing a prod is not considered vandalism (with some rare exceptions). Anyone can, for any reason. Removing a speedy is not supposed to happen, but new editors may be unaware of the rules, so best to AGF and explain.--SPhilbrick(Talk) 13:35, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

No, it was not new editors who did those things I reverted. It's various IP addresses which have not created an account. So I don't know whether that counts or not. Jianhui67 (talk) 13:52, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

Does admins have the information to count how many blatant vandalism reverts I did? If yes, then can you please help me to count the number of blatant vandalism reverts I have? Thanks. I currently know you are busy now. So if you have time, please do it for me. Jianhui67 (talk) 11:32, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

If there is such a tool I don't know about it. Probably manual checking is the only way. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 12:44, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

I really want to be a rollbacker so I will now work very hard to revert vandalism. But due to school life, I can only do this at night. For some days, my school hours is 7.35am - 6.30pm. My target is 150 legitimate blatant vandalism reverts and I'm going to apply soon. I'll do 10 to 15 reverts per day. Jianhui67 (talk) 14:15, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

Mazurek Dąbrowskiego move

Hi Kudpung! I see that you have deleted Mazurek Dąbrowskiego "to make room for an uncontroversial page move". I believe you that as an admin, should have checked the talkpage of the article in question. With three move requests this was hardly an uncontroversial move. Could you please explain why you chose to allow it? I think it would be better if the article was moved back to where it was and a new proper move request was opened to discuss whether the move is necessary. — Kpalion^(talk) 19:42, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

There appeared to be no consensus in the discussions so please take it up with User talk:Rzuwig who tagged it BRD. If it needs restoring again, let me know. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 22:55, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

Socking

Hi Kudpung, could you help with something? In a thread on my talk page (User_talk:Mark_Arsten#Block_evasion) a user has noted that he's being harassed by an IP hopping vandal. He suspects it's User:Cvlwr (I saw your name on the user's talk page). Could you advise if a range block would be possible here? Thanks Mark Arsten (talk) 23:11, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

You are most welcome to do a range block. This user is a massive problem, and I'm of the opinion that long range blocks are the only solution, and to keep doing it until someone complains legitimately of having been caught in the blocks. You'll see the extent of it at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Cvlwr/Archive. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 23:24, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

hi

how are you doing.Bucio17 (talk) 15:49, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia. I'm fine thanks, but please remember that Wikipedia is not a forum or a social networking site ;) Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 00:06, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

Question

Are all of my edits alright, or are there some of them that you are concerned about. I like to do a check up on my edits every few weeks to ensure i haven't breached anything on my probation.--Anderson I'm Willing To Help 22:02, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

Seems to be OK. Beware of malware ;) Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 00:11, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

Question - Please move tbhis draft

Hi. Welcome to Wikipedia. Please move this IFMIF: International Fusion Material Irradiation Facility article draft from your main user page to a user sub page, such as for example User:Fscantamburlo/IFMIF: International Fusion Material Irradiation Facility, otherwise it will probably be shortly deleted per WP:FAKEARTICLE. If you don't know how to do it, I will gladly do it for you. Thanks. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 00:53, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

Hi. I moved as suggested the page. It will be possible in future to upload images? Fscantamburlo (talk) 00:53, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

If you feel the article is ready for publication, you can move it to mainspace. It will then be reviewed by a New Page Patroller. If there are no issues you will then be able to upload images that comply with our WP:Image policy. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 01:16, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

Hi

Hi Kudpung. IIRC, you have been looking for suitable candidates who could be encouraged to take up adminship. Have you considered [12] ? I have not had much interaction with the user, but I am sure she is a well suited for the bit. Seems to be one of the most level headed persons around here and seems well versed in policy etc. Helpful too. I do not know if she is interested. Regards.OrangesRyellow (talk) 18:00, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. I will look into it. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 18:15, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

I have already raised the idea directly with the user in the past, and as far as I recall, they were not interested. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 18:17, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

RFX

I am most likely unable to vote at Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Adjwilley, because of my probation. So, would you be able to place a vote for me?--Anderson I'm Willing To Help 21:28, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

I will not because voting by proxy is absolutely forbidden on Wikipedia. Ask yourself these question: Do you believe you are old enough and mature enough to vote in an area as important as RfA? Why is it so important that you must vote on an RfA? Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 01:02, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

Because the user i wanted to vote for is one i have interacted with a lot, And i posted on their TP that they'd make a great admin, So i did want to show my support for them. If i was going to vote in an an RFA, I would only vote if it was an editor who i'd interacted with a lot. My voting would be sensible, unlike that mistake at Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Theopolisme. I would only vote on oppose at an RFA if there were several edits/contributions that i wasn't happy with.--Anderson I'm Willing To Help 04:41, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

Remember that RfA is not an (un)popularity poll. That said, Theopolism's RfA is water under the bridge now for both you and him, but may have been a good example to cite as an RfA that didn't go the way the candidate expected. It looks as if it failed especially on lack of experience/maturity, and over eagerness for the bit; a future run may have an entirely different out come now that a year has elapsed. Check out my criteria here, read the whole page, it's not only about what I do, but also about what I would generally expect other voters to be doing, even if their criteria are not so strict, and if there's anything you don't understand, get back to me. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 05:15, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

Invercargill Airport

Should i remove this info from the article?;Regular jet services operated into the airport until 1995, when Air New Zealand restructured all its secondary provincial routes after subsidiary Mount Cook Airline introduced the 68 seat ATR 72-200 into service. I've done a web search, But it appears to be Original Research. Should i remove it?--Anderson I'm Willing To Help 05:41, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

My advice to you while you are on probation, is to either simply leave such issues alone, or at best, start a discussion about them on the talk page before doing anything. As a regular frequent flyer, I find that a lot of airport information is unreliable and often not up to date. This is typical for example of smaller regional airports in Thailand which I use a lot. You can even get some nasty surprises from the smaller airlines themselves when you try to book online. So you go to the nearest travel agent or booking office to hear 'Oh, we/they don't operate that rout anymore.' So I sometimes don't have any other alternative than to get in my car and drive 30 hours for 2,000 Km instead of a 90 minute flight. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 05:58, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

Something similar happened at Invercargill Airport when i went there and asked if they had commercial flights to Dunedin. They didn't. So we had to drive for 2 hours to Dunedin because in the article it originally said that there were flights to Dunedin as scheduled flights. In the end, the content got changed to specify that flights to Dunedin were charter flights.--Anderson I'm Willing To Help 06:37, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

Well, here in Thailand a 2-hour drive is nothing exceptional. I have to do a 3-hour round trip to buy milk and bread which the Thais don't use much. Until very recently (an Apple store has now opened in Khon Kaen only 2 hours away) I used to have to fly to Bangkok and back in a day to buy a new Mac or get one repaired. 07:13, 26 July 2013 (UTC)Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk)

Disregard my question, I found agood source.--Anderson I'm Willing To Help 08:15, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

Depends how reliable the Travel Kernel can be considered. It may be the work of one person and not much more reliable than anything you know yourself. I would check with the Reliable Sources Noticboard. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 08:23, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

I've left a query at WP:RSN.--Anderson I'm Willing To Help 08:34, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

Request

Hi, Kudpung! A few weeks ago you suggested I might want additional tools, and I said no thanks at that time. However, I do find that I would have a use for Pending Changes Review. Is that something you might consider giving me? Thanks. --MelanieN (talk) 19:49, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

 Done Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 00:08, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

Thank you! 0;-D --MelanieN (talk) 03:14, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

YOU need to step back!

Your comments on Retrolord's talkpage are uncalled for and borderline disruptive! He is already blocked so there is no need to gravedance! PantherLeapord (talk) 06:27, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

Several people have asked you to stop stoking the fire. I think you need to start being very careful with your accusations. And whatever you have to say to me, I am not afraid to leave it on my talk page for everyone to see - I only remove vandalism (and there was very little of that in the 7 years I've been here) and blatant trolling. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 06:39, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

Fine by me. Just make sure that you practice what you preach. PantherLeapord (talk) 06:48, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

GA Review

If you haven't already noticed, I have picked up where Retrolord left off on the review, is this okay or should I not do this review either?? Prabash.Akmeemana 10:59, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

If there have been no questions raised on the quality of your reviewing I see no reason why you shouldn't. If you need any help with it, let me know. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 12:21, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

Talk:Euro banknotes/GA3

Can I put 2nd opinion into the review banner, or do I have to fail the review and get a new GAN? – Plarem ^{(User talk)} 19:12, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

A new reviewer is needed, not a second opinion. There is no reason to quick-fail the article, because the review has barely started and no glaring issues have been listed yet. I suggest you ask your question at the link I provided which was Wikipedia talk:Good article nominations#Retrolord where all these GAN are being discussed. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 00:32, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

Jupiter

Is This information i just recently added useful? I'm after the opinions of a couple of admins to determine whether i should of added it or left it out of the article.--Anderson I'm Willing To Help 23:37, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

I think the conditions of your probation are designed to let you get on with your normal content editing as best as you can, so there is no reason to keep asking admins what you should include in articles. The place to do that if you need feedback is on the article talk page or with the regular editors of the article, but you should provide diffs so that people can easily locate what you are talking about. Try to improve your English somewhat however, for example, it's 'should have ', not 'should of' ; it doesn't matter so much on talk pages, but you will need to avoid grammatical errors in articles. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 00:40, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

Reconsider

Since you mentioned the oppose rationale, i thought you'd be interested in reading my oppose in WP:Requests for adminship/Adjwilley. Pass a Method talk 01:43, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

While I appreciate the time you may have spent doing your research and posting your !vote, there are several points:

• While I vote on every RfX (over 200 to date) and follow them all very closely from transclusion to conclusion, I find your post TL;DR and I'm sure others will.
• I base my !votes on my own research and am never swayed by badgering or by the developing consensus to support or oppose.
• Your perspective appears to stem mainly from your own interactions with the candidate and while your comments may be valid, as such they possibly do not represent a broader overview of the candidate's work on Wikipedia.
• It seems likely that this RfA will pass anyway.
• Finally, I'm not sure that your polling of 12 supporters in this manner is wholly appropriate and I may raise a clarification request at WP:AN on the method.

Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 02:01, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

@Kudpung, I was expecting an oppose from Pass a Method because of our long-running disagreement. On your last point, though the canvassing kinda bugs me, it's really not a big deal to me, so please don't feel like you should take it to AN on my account. (I'd just as soon let it flow under the bridge.) I say give him a while to find some diffs, and if he does then I can respond. ~Adjwilley (talk) 02:34, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

It's not a big deal admittedly, because this RfA may well pass, but for my own education - and I'm always ready to learn something new - I may raise a question (not a complaint) on AN (not AN/I) as to whether this kind of polling is appropriate. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 02:39, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

I'd say that in this case it is probably counterproductive. If the allegations had been diff supported then things might be different, whilst I !vote based on my own research I am happy to use others research if they find things that I've missed. But communication with fly by voters can be a good thing. I remember in my own RFA there were people at the end who were opposing per someone who had subsequently struck their vote, and in such circumstances it would be good to know whether they were still opposing simply because they hadn't reviewed their vote after the earlier oppose was struck or they were still opposed. More broadly at RFA I don't see why we exempt these rants from the no personal attacks policy. RFA would be a much better place if people had to substantiate anything negative that they said about the candidate. ϢereSpielChequers 08:39, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, if this were properly supported by diffs I would legitimately find it quite concerning - committed POV pushers who nonetheless remain civil about it are some of the most difficult editors to deal with long term on Wikipedia and if I felt Adjwilley was one I'd be highly unlikely to support the RfA. But from my own look over contributions I wasn't getting that feeling, and I'm certainly not willing to change my vote based on Pass a Method's post: it's most unfair to make sweeping, hard-to-refute statements as to the blatant unsuitability of a candidate without really pointing to any specific incidents at all. It makes it completely impossible for Adjwilley to effectively refute the accusations, so I can't say I'm particularly convinced. ~ mazca ^talk 09:20, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

In all honesty, the assertions worry me a lot. I just need diffs to demonstrate that indeed was what actually happened. ceranthor 18:15, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

GA Fail for the article Bombardment of Cherbourg

Hello Kudpung, I have a question; should fail the article Bombardment of Cherbourg for GA? the neutrality of the article has been disputed according to the comment made on my talk page . I am coming to the decision to fail it, would it be a wise choice to do that or should I hand this review to a more experienced Wikipedian? Prabash.Akmeemana 15:55, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for asking my advice. It looks as if you have already failed it. As regards experience however, I'm the wrong person to ask because I'm of the firm opinion that GAN should only be reviewed by editors who themselves have created and substantially contributed to several GA or significantly expanded some stubs into a long, complete article. I do fully realise however, that if everyone were to maintain this position, there would probably be a lot fewer Good Articles. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 16:22, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

Yes I failed it because of the advise given to me by other wikipedians on the IRC, like you I believe in that philosophy too, where the the main contributor does the review; But remember this review could be a bit biased as it is the main contributors opinion, getting an editor that has experience but has never edited the article, gives more of an accurate insight on the topic. Ive created about 15 articles so far (Mostly insect and fish stubs), one of which became GA just a few days ago, the review process from an univolved editor is really good, though others might think differently on that. Prabash.Akmeemana 01:58, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

Hi Prabash. I think you may have misunderstood wht I said. Please read this sentence again: I'm of the firm opinion that GAN should only be reviewed by editors who themselves have created and substantially contributed to several GA or significantly expanded some stubs into a long, complete article. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 03:17, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

Yes, I have done almost everything you described there, I have created the article Great northern tilefish which I DYK'd and got into GA, I've created 15 other articles which I have also stubbed and expanded. My first few were not that good (tagged with notability and lack of references etc) but afterwards I became more prolific, focusing on content and article creation. So I believe that I am fit for reviewing GA reviews according to your belief, if there is something wrong with me reviewing articles tell me ASAP, so I can stop the two I am doing now. Thanks Prabash.Akmeemana 18:15, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

Mystery talkback

Hi Kudpung, I got a talkback from you yesterday, but it doesn't look like I'm mentioned here at all. Perhaps you were drawing my attention to the discussion with Pass a Method above? Or was it just in error? (I'll watch for a reply here.) --BDD (talk) 16:32, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

You guessed correctly ;) Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 21:24, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

A question on Rollback talk-page

For a general inquiry, I posted a question on Wikipedia talk:Rollback titled I've a question, but no one seems to look at it or answer. As you handle rollback issues, I'm taking it to your kind notice. Thanks.--AsceticRosé 17:22, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) I have attempted an answer, check it on the page! Prabash.Akmeemana 21:10, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

Rollback request

Hi, Kudpung. Will you grant me rollback rights? I had learnt my lesson last time that I shouldn't be too hasty to apply. But now I have reached a reasonable number of reverts now. I hope to use STiki to revert vandalism. So I hope that this time you will grant me rollback rights. I'm not sure whether to ask on the Request for Permission:Rollback, so I'll ask here instead. Thanks. Jianhui67 (talk) 23:11, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

To be granted access to Stiki, users generally need to have made a minimum of 1,000 edits to mainspace. You have only just over 300. I don't generally grant Rollback on as few as that so I can't accord you Rollback rights to shortcut your application for Stiki. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 02:29, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

Can I ask for rollback rights again after I completed my CVUA Course? I'm on halfway of the course. Is it better to ask now as I may need rollback tools or after the graduation of CVUA course? I decided not to use STiki, as it requires 1000 mainspace edits. I'll think I will just use the normal rollback button.

Jianhui67 (talk) 11:02, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

You get Rollback rights after you have successfully completed the course and your trainer has freccommend Rollback for you to an admin. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 17:46, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

My trainer is Callanecc and I asked him whether I can apply rollback or not. He told me I can apply anytime I like. But I think I'll apply after the graduation of the course, or when I need any rollback tools on the midpoint of the course (see first). By the way, what is the criteria for reviewer? I don't want to apply that now. I know reviewer have higher criteria than rollback. I'll will think I will learn reviewer from Callanecc when I have time and then I'll apply. Jianhui67 (talk) 13:33, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

You can of course apply any time but generally, if you are doing a CVUA course, it will only be accorded when your trainer passes you out. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 11:04, 1 August 2013 (UTC)