User talk:JoelyFox

Joanna Jordan (talent agent)

Hi again. First of all, you appear to know the subject, and so the COI guidelines apply to you - you shouldn't attempt to rewrite the article, but you may propose changes on its talk page. Edit requests are useful for this.

The age of the sources doesn't really affect their reliability, from our perspective; if you have some new sources, that's great, content could be added, but they would need to be very reliable, and independent of the subject - the Independent and the Guardian are quality newspapers, you are going to struggle to convince people that they are flat-out wrong in their content.

The article doesn't have a single unique author - lots of people contributed to writing it. It started life as an article about the Central Talent Agency, her company; earlier this year, this deletion discussion took place, and it was determined that the company wasn't notable according to our guidelines, but that she probably was, and some of the content from the article about the company was copied before it was deleted, and was used to create this page about her, earlier this year. You can see all the people who have worked on it since then in its history; I can still see the old article, as an administrator, but I'm afraid it's not available to ordinary readers. Why do you want to know who wrote it?

I hope that all helps, let me know if you have any more questions. Best GirthSummit _(blether) 15:47, 23 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I have just seen your post on the help desk. I know nothing about Miss Jordan so I think I can be impartial. Does it help if I say that there is nothing about the article that makes me think badly of her? However there is one thing that I can see that might make people think that and that is the reference to Ben Affleck. Again I know nothing of the video. The reference to this might imply that she approves of swearing or that she is actually having sex with Mr Affleck. If she has nothing to do with the video you might request removal of this sentence. If she has I am not sure yoiu can do anything about it. The fact that she did not do well in her O levels but has made a success in her business is something she should be proud of. The rest of the article (if true) appears fine to me except a few improvements could be made which you might be able to assist editors with. First of all an accurate birth date ought to be shown. Secondly a picture could be supplied. Could you take one and licence it for general use? Thirdly I'm not sure the details of the company should be shown in the info boxSpinney Hill (talk) 09:38, 24 October 2020 (UTC).[reply]

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Article "author"

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You MUST make full disclosure

Hello, JoelyFox. We welcome your contributions, but if you have an external relationship with the people, places or things you have written about in the page Joanna Jordan (talent agent), you may have a conflict of interest (COI). Editors with a conflict of interest may be unduly influenced by their connection to the topic. See the conflict of interest guideline and FAQ for organizations for more information. We ask that you:

avoid editing or creating articles about yourself, your family, friends, colleagues, company, organization or competitors;
propose changes on the talk pages of affected articles (you can use the {{request edit}} template);
disclose your conflict of interest when discussing affected articles (see Wikipedia:Conflict of interest#How to disclose a COI);
avoid linking to your organization's website in other articles (see WP:Spam);
do your best to comply with Wikipedia's content policies.

In addition, you are required by the Wikimedia Foundation's terms of use to disclose your employer, client, and affiliation with respect to any contribution which forms all or part of work for which you receive, or expect to receive, compensation. See Wikipedia:Paid-contribution disclosure.

Also, editing for the purpose of advertising, publicising, or promoting anyone or anything is not permitted. Thank you. --Orange Mike | Talk 18:33, 23 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Orangemike, this is unhelpful. This is what I would call a "distress purchase" editor, ie: somebody who has read something on Wikipedia that has upset them because they believe it to be wrong, damaging, libellous or otherwise affecting them. Parroting the COI guidelines at them causes more harm than good, and if the WMF can't see that, then more fool them. Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 22:39, 26 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Joanna Jordan (talent agent)

Hi there, I'm leaving some links to pages which may be useful to you regarding your COI with Joanna Jordan (talent agent):

WP:HAECOI lists pages on Wikipedia which can help editors who have COIs.

WP:BLP/H is a page which "provides information for people who have concerns about their name being mentioned on Wikipedia, whether in a biography or elsewhere".

Wikipedia:Contact us/Article subjects sets out how you can fix 'errors' about an article on Wikipedia.

You may also wish to direct your employer to Wikipedia:About you. Furthermore, as per the message above, you must disclose your connection to Joanna Jordan/Central Talent Booking, and any payment you (expect to) receive for your editing here. For help on doing this, read WP:PAID. Seagull123 Φ 17:20, 25 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

November 2020

Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to add promotional or advertising material to Wikipedia, as you did at Joanna Jordan (talent agent), you may be blocked from editing. Theroadislong (talk) 12:36, 5 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]