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Sensorium (band)

Hi. In 2016 you deleted Sensorium (band) per Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sensorium (band). Could you tell me whether the current article at that title is about the same band as the deleted article? Lennart97 (talk) 19:31, 8 December 2021 (UTC)

Yep, same topic but the current version at least bothers with sources. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 19:39, 8 December 2021 (UTC)
Thanks for the quick reply! The sources are definitely better than nothing, but not quite up to standard, so I'll start a new AfD. Lennart97 (talk) 20:10, 8 December 2021 (UTC)

Hi! I noticed that you edited the Eurojust page (https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Eurojust) not so long ago, that is you renamed the logo image file. May I kindly ask you to replace the outdated Eurojust logo currently on the Wikipedia page with the new Eurojust logo (adopted in 2019), as documented here: https://www.eurojust.europa.eu/media-and-events/media-kit. For example, a full color Eurojust logo is available here: https://www.eurojust.europa.eu/sites/default/files/Mediakit/Logos/Eurojust-Logo_FullColor-CMYK.png

Many thanks and keep up the good work! Kind regards, Tomaz — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.166.34.242 (talk) 13:42, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

Greetings, Tomaz. I am currently busy with something else, and Wikipedia:Files for upload is probably a better place for this request. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 15:07, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

Bots Newsletter, December 2021

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December 2019

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Help needed

Hi. You just deleted User:SpikeToronto/Footer1 (an edit notice) under WP:U1, but for some reason he had also posted his CSD request on my user page. Now it's been deleted it's showing a red link on my user page and I can't remove it. Can you help? Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 10:34, 10 December 2021 (UTC)~`

@Kudpung:Done? Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 10:37, 10 December 2021 (UTC)
Yes. Thank you. I had full protected it myself 10 years ago, but now I'm no longer an admin, I couldn't remove it myself although I'm still a template editor. Don't know why Spike put the CSD notice on my page. Probably a bug in the system? Something that needs to be checked out? Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 10:42, 10 December 2021 (UTC)
That's what happens if you put a CSD tag on a page that's transcluded elsewhere. The CSD tag gets transcluded on all pages that transclude the tagged page. It's not a bug but a sign that you need to "noinclude" deletion tags. BTW, I've removed the protection from your user page, I don't think it's necessary anymore [given the autoprotection of user pages]. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 10:56, 10 December 2021 (UTC)
@Kudpung: {{User:SpikeToronto/Footer1}} will now work again. I moved {{User:SpikeToronto/Footer3}} to it. (See also the reply here.) Sorry for the inconvenience. Thank you for understanding. Thank you also @Jo-Jo Eumerus for all your help. — SpikeToronto 11:49, 10 December 2021 (UTC)
Autoprotection of user pages? When was this announced, where? --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 21:14, 10 December 2021 (UTC)
@Redrose64: Here you go. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 21:44, 10 December 2021 (UTC)
Well, it didn't prevent this. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 23:00, 10 December 2021 (UTC)
Yeah, that account was autoconfirmed I believe. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 23:03, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

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Boring Lava Field

Hi Jo-Jo, long time no chat! I'm thinking of finally taking BLF to FAC now that I have a bit more free time than usual. Do you think you could scan it and see if there's anything beyond what you suggested in the peer review to work on before nominating it? Hope all is well, ceranthor 04:44, 28 December 2021 (UTC)

Greetings. I am a bit buried in off-Wikipedia projects, but I'll get to it. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 10:38, 28 December 2021 (UTC)

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Thanks for the offer, but I have to agree with Iridescent's comments on their talk page so I have removed myself from consideration. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 18:23, 1 January 2022 (UTC)

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Your close

It’s pretty much how I would’ve written it, with one exception. The WP:NOCON policy says: In discussions of proposals to add, modify, or remove material in articles, a lack of consensus commonly results in retaining the version of the article as it was prior to the proposal or bold edit. However, for contentious matters related to living people, a lack of consensus often results in the removal of the contentious matter, regardless of whether the proposal was to add, modify, or remove it. which I think would apply here. That said, the text in question has been present in the article for a year, but also I note it has never really been subject to a RfC or large-scale discussion, and judging by the mess with ‘Option D’ I guess the consideration was never made to the idea that it might be objected to as much as it was. I think your close probably has to explicitly address whether the text should remain and, if deviating from the policy guidance, the reason why. I never really did figure that part out in my own head, but I think it’s relevant to address. ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 14:01, 1 January 2022 (UTC)

ProcrastinatingReader, I don't see any serious consideration in the RfC submissions (or close) suggesting that this is a contentious matter in the sense of WP:BLP policy. The D arguments were essentially all based in UNDUE and "not notable for that", whereas "contentious material" consists generally on things that are under dispute and therefore shouldn't appear in BLP article space unless the high standards of proof for BLP articles are met.
It seems to me that multiple editors are using what amounts to a WP:CRYBLP argument to "win" the RfC by other means, against a long standing status quo, now that the close is "no consensus". (This is a great example, by the way, of an issue I expected a panel to consider and resolve.) Newimpartial (talk) 14:27, 1 January 2022 (UTC)
Diffs like the one you linked are why I thought it had to be addressed in the close. I have no opinion on how it's addressed, just that the point needs to be addressed. ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 14:30, 1 January 2022 (UTC)
I will add by saying I don't think it's as simple as you suggest. It is contentious material; several editors had BLP concerns with the content, many editors responded with "BLP" references (ctrl-f), or implied such. UNDUE (and hence WP:NPOV) arguments on BLP pages are inherently WP:BLP arguments, per WP:BLPSTYLE and WP:BLPBALANCE. I think the consideration really needs to go to often results in the removal (emphasis mine), and deciding what's the most appropriate route based on that. Usually a good policy would address why it says "often" and the criteria/principles closers should consider to determine the application in a given case, but this one doesn't, which makes the closer's life even harder. Ultimately this decision, which is meant to be the uncontentious part, is what results in the content staying or leaving, and so becomes the point of contention. It does need some deep thought I think, and if anything is probably the most useful precedent to come out of this RfC. ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 14:43, 1 January 2022 (UTC)
I just want to point out that after becoming aware of ProcrastinatingReader's query, I self-reverted pending additional details from the closer. While here, I will also add that the notion of it being contentious was raised in the discussion (by an individual support retention), and separately I believe that undue weight by prominence of placement on a BLP can make the matter contentious. BilledMammal (talk) 14:41, 1 January 2022 (UTC)
And all of these issues represent examples of why I thought a one-person close would be foolish unwise. Newimpartial (talk) 14:49, 1 January 2022 (UTC)
Good lord what a bad close, "No consensus" is a cop-out. Please revert this, and let a panel of admins actually stick a landing. Zaathras (talk) 14:59, 1 January 2022 (UTC)
It's a good close. There was genuinely no consensus on whether to keep the content, and the close breaks down why. One cannot force a consensus to appear when it just isn't there. ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 15:03, 1 January 2022 (UTC)
I agree. Jo-Jo volunteered for a terribly hard close and wrote a well-measured and well-argued close of no consensus. Thank you for your work Jo-Jo and sorry for starting the fire you put out. Happy New Year! Santacruz ⁂ Please ping me! 16:25, 1 January 2022 (UTC)
Sigh. Sometimes overthinking is worse than not thinking at all. ProcrastinatingReader's points are good points and thus I've added a clarification that the section should stay - most of the concerns were about WP:NPOV and not WP:BLP or BLP-like issues, and there is no such presumption for removal in these cases. Remember, the BLP policy proscribes unsourced or poorly sourced content not just any that causes disagreements. Plus there is an entire section in the article about the controversy, which many people who wanted its removal from the lead were OK with; I don't think it'd be reasonable to say "no consensus hence remove from lead per BLP but the section in the article can stay" nor "no consensus hence remove from the entire article even though the discussion was only about the lead". I don't think there are a lot of WP:CRYBLP behaviours here, however.

On panel closes, while there is certainly worth in doing these for particularly contentious matters such as Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mass killings under communist regimes (4th nomination), that AFD drew far more attention than this talk page discussion and there were also more people volunteering as closers. And opinions at WP:Close request were split on whether a panel close was needed or not. Besides, panel closes consume far more time and from more people; it took a few days to for us to assemble a closing statement for that AFD - and we had already agreed on what the outcome would be - and I am not sure I'd want to set a precedent that certain types of closes always need a panel.

And yes, "cop out" or not, if there isn't a consensus there isn't a consensus; we can't pull one out of thin air. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 15:52, 1 January 2022 (UTC)

Great close. With nearly half of the (quite reasonably justified, in most cases) votes asking for total removal, and more than half supporting the (also fairly reasonable) status quo, this was the only reasonable decision, and the same conclusion that any non-biased panel would have arrived at. Just ignore all the naysayers, just like I plan to do with any replies to this comment here. 👍 Tewdar (talk) 20:54, 1 January 2022 (UTC)
While a RfC is not simply a question of votes and I personally (biased as I am) think the 89 votes! in favour of inclusion had the stronger arguments, I do think, based on your closing statement and comments here, that it was a reasonable close. It is not the outcome I wanted, but Many Thanks for taking up the hard task of Closing this sadly highly dichotomized RfC. ~ BOD ~ TALK 21:14, 1 January 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for taking on an unenviable task, taking a significant amount of time, and doing the work to deconstruct it all and then construct a synthesis and a nuanced, well thought-out response, and doing a great job on it. Well done; break the diet, have some ice cream with whipped cream and chocolate sauce. Mathglot (talk) 05:03, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

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Hi Jo-Jo Eumerus and @Ealdgyth:, re [4] do you mind if I create sub section for the stuff that's specific to the Chelmno extermination camp to organize the page? Volunteer Marek 22:27, 2 January 2022 (UTC)

@Volunteer Marek:That's Ealdgyth's page, so it's her prerogative on how to organize it. I have no opinion. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 14:08, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

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18:14, 4 January 2022 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Ticsani

The article Ticsani you nominated as a good article has been placed on hold . The article is close to meeting the good article criteria, but there are some minor changes or clarifications needing to be addressed. If these are fixed within 7 days, the article will pass; otherwise it may fail. See Talk:Ticsani for issues which need to be addressed. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Hog Farm -- Hog Farm (talk) 20:21, 4 January 2022 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Ticsani

The article Ticsani you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Ticsani for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already appeared on the main page as a "Did you know" item, or as a bold link under "In the News" or in the "On This Day" prose section, you can nominate it within the next seven days to appear in DYK. Bolded names with dates listed at the bottom of the "On This Day" column do not affect DYK eligibility. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Hog Farm -- Hog Farm (talk) 15:21, 5 January 2022 (UTC)

Antarctica featured article review

I have nominated Antarctica for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Chidgk1 (talk) 16:22, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

Closer's Barnstar

The Closer's Barnstar
For your immensely eloquent, measured, and brave close of the recent J. K. Rowling RfC. A. C. Santacruz ⁂ Please ping me! 23:58, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
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