User talk:Jgroub

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What's up?

Could you keep the discussion on WT:NOTE, where you posted it. Its not easy to track several different places at once. As the main worker on NY road articles, I am curious why you wouldn't want a Featured Article, which has existed around since May 2004, to stay. New York Roads are pretty normal - and many are of high quality. Is there any way you could change your mind? It would be really, really, useful.Mitch32^(UP) 01:20, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Mitch, I am new to discussing things about Wikipedia, and I don't know what "a FA" is, and "why I wouldn't a FA." I have no idea what you're asking me. Can you try to rewrite your question to me and not use so much lingo? And what do you want me to change my mind about? That I think these articles are non-notable? Sorry, notability to me is more than someone just saying that everything of a class is notable.

And by the way, please, please don't think that I'm out to destroy all your articles or hard work. I am just interested in the discussion of them. --Jgroub (talk) 01:34, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Edited, but yes - that is what I meant.Mitch32^(UP) 01:39, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the edit, but I still don't know what you mean when you ask "why I wouldn't a featured article." Why I wouldn't what - like it? I love the featured articles; which is exactly why I object to NY 32 being one.

And why should I change my mind? Am I stirring up a sh!tstorm that has already been long ago stirred and decided? If so, I apologize for that, but this article really got my goat. Go to WT:NOTE and see what I posted there about that. --Jgroub (talk) 01:45, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Typo on my part, sorry. Fixed it.Mitch32^(UP) 01:48, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Ah, well, I think all of my posts answer that question. I just don't think there is anything notable about the road to make it a featured article. A good article, sure, comprehensiv, you bet, and informative, no doubt - congrats on all of that. But at the end of the day, it's just another state road. I just don't think it's worthy of inclusion in Wikipedia, is all. --Jgroub (talk) 01:56, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

New York City Streets

I was reading over your discussion at WP:NOTE about notability of state roads, and while I think those should probably be included here, I have to agree with you on another topic. Even as a New York City resident myself, I think that it is assinine to have so many articles about New York City streets. Places like 42nd Street and Broadway are definitely notable, but why should anybody care about every two-way cross-street and others. You should really look into a sweeping deletion nomination for many of these articles that definitely don't belong in an encyclopedia. -- bmitchelf•T•F 17:02, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Eh, I was spitting into the wind. This thing is too big for anything like that to happen. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia in name only at this point; it has become a catalogue or index of everything. They define notability not by what's really notable, but by whether it is verifiable. There is plenty that is verifiable that isn't notable. To me that's ass-backwards, but I don't make the decisions around here. Thanks for your vote of support anyway.

Well, I have gone ahead and nominated such Manhattan streets for deletion, but that may be an uphill battle, as well. -- bmitchelf•T•F 02:01, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

I agree with and appreciate what you're doing, but I see that you too are spitting into the wind there. I find it amazing the arguments people are coming up with to keep these articles. By the way, just curious, where are you on 78th? I'm on 79th between 1st and York. --Jgroub (talk) 03:47, 21 July 2008 (UTC)