User talk:Jfg284/archive1

This is an archive of inactive discussion. Please do not edit it. If you wish to revitalize an old topic, bring it up on the active talk page.

Anyone interested in where I stand on userboxes?

If you want to leave a message, do so at the bottom (or, alternately, by clicking here). And title it. It's just easier to keep track of that way. I'll reply on your talk page so you get that nice bright orange box that lets you know you've been replied to...unless you're anonymous, in which case I'll reply here. or maybe both places. You never know.

Please do your best to remember to sign with four tidles ~~~~, i like knowing who said what without checking the history.

I archive my talk page in chunks of 20 entries. Previously archived material is located below.

Entries 1-20, 30 October 2005-7 December 2005

That is all.

Welcome to the Wikipedia!

Welcome to the Wikipedia, Jfg284! And thanks for contributing to the 2004 U.S. presidential election controversy and irregularities article.

Here are some perfunctory tips to hasten your acculturation into the Wikipedia experience:

Take a look at the Wikipedia Tutorial and The five pillars of Wikipedia.
When you have time, take a look at Manual of Style, and assume good faith, but keep in mind the unique style you brought to the Wiki!
Always keep the notion of NPOV in mind, be respectful of others' POV, and remember your unique perspective on the meaning of neutrality is invaluable!
If you need any help, post your question at the Help Desk.
Explore, be bold in editing, and, above all else, have fun!

And some odds and ends:

Boilerplate text, Brilliant prose, Cite your sources, Civility, Conflict resolution, How to edit a page, How to write a great article, Pages needing attention, Peer review, Policy Library, Utilities, Village pump, Verifiability, Wikiquette

Hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian!

You can sign your name on any page by typing 4 tildes: ~~~~.

Best of luck, Jfg284, and have fun! Ombudsman 22:31, 30 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

American Football Bio Stubs

Thanks for the thoughts on splitting these up. That seems logical, to start by splitting up the players and non-players. Perhaps after that by position might be the "cleanest" split: while many players have played in more than one club, league, or decade, not that many are truly "notable" in several different playing positions (or that's my impression, at least). Alai 15:54, 31 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Project tags

Project tags are suppose to go on the article's talk page, not the article itself. Thank you. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 15:59, 31 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

RE: FLC

Worry not. Just remember that most templates go in talk pages except when they have to do with content disputes (POV, sources, cleanup, AfD and the like). The peer review convention is not so obvious and that's why I didn't make a big deal out of it; after all people learn from their mistakes. I mentioned it, however, because someone was bound to do it sooner or later.

Time is slow in wikiland. As a consequence is an important virtue of editors. Why not work on other articles while you wait for further input on your list? I've found that the wait for important votes on my articles is usually one of my most productive periods!

Hope this helps. Don't be afraid to ask if you are in doubt! -- Rune Welsh | ταλκ | Esperanza 18:11, 5 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

It took me a while to understand wiki syntax for tables as well. I'd suggest you have a look at Help:Table to learn the basics and a bit more. The class="wikitable" thingy is only used to make tables look pretty, so you still have to format tables manually. For that you can use the "width" parameter and set it to pixels or percentages. I tend to use percentages because that scales better across different screen resolutions. Here is an example:

Header1	Header2	Header3
Text under header 1	Text under header 2	Text under header 3

The markup is the following:

 {|class="wikitable" width="80%"
 ! width="40%" | Header1
 ! width="30%" | Header2
 ! width="30%" | Header3
 |-
 | Text under header 1 || Text under header 2 || Text under header 3
 |-
 |}

The "width" right after "wikitable" sets the total width of the table relative to screen size (and some other stuff coded into the current wikipedia skin you're using, which you don't have to worry about). The "width" right before each header sets how much of the total width available a column can take. If you "hard set" the width of each column percentages have to add up to 100%.

Also, note how you can declare elements in a row in two different ways, what matters is that you have a "|-" between rows. The "|-" at the end of the last row is optional (I think). Most other parameters you can use (e.g. background and font color and others) are really HTML syntax, so you'll find few references to that on the Wikipedia help pages.

Hope this primer helps. Try to fix the table and let me know if you still have any problems with it. -- Rune Welsh | ταλκ | Esperanza 20:56, 6 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

My pleasure. I hope you still find it useful as a reference in the future. By the way, don't forget to sign everytime you leave a comment in a talk page. It's considered bad form if you don't. Thanks and keep up the good work :-) -- Rune Welsh | ταλκ | Esperanza 21:15, 6 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

You're welcome from me as well. I have a special fondness in my heart for well-made lists. :) Working on this right now. Table code is simple once you get the hang of it, but it took a while for me to get the hang of the intricacies of it. Good luck on FLC, be sure to ask me if you have any more troubles. Oh, and thanks for signing my user page, those kind of things make me happy :). (You are now inducted into the Dmcdevit cabal and must do everything I say.) Dmcdevit·t 07:18, 7 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Rio Ferdinand

To be fair, I do not see how it was not necessary for me to compare one world class defender to another. They are always compared to and mentioned for England and in the Premier League, so I was simply placing this in his page.

Comparion to John Terry

They are 2 great defenders and very similar, so I am just comparing their goal ratio.

What is wrong with that?

Jake300000 18:52, 10 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your help

Hi, thanks for helping to revert my talk page this morning. Regards, Ann Heneghan ^(talk) 18:34, 11 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

The St Michaels group

Watch what happens when you oppose them. You'll end up branded as a hater of Wikipedia within the next ten minutes. And to cite a reference, see this whole mess. You'll die three times from the rambling before you finish. Harro5 09:10, 14 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Oh well, if I get through the RFC maybe they'll move on. As long as the Schools Portal remains untarnished...Harro5 09:20, 14 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Thin Man

Yeah? Thanx .Kind.EffK 17:52, 15 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Belated congrats

For making List of NFL champions a Featured List. Keep up the good work! -- Rune Welsh | ταλκ | Esperanza 17:28, 16 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the edit!

Haha...thanks for the note about Phillips Academy, I was hoping someone would appreciate Prateek. As far as fencing goes, it's not really interscholastic...yet. There are plans to try and make it so within the next year...though that might or might not happen. Thanks for the de-link, though...it's best to keep in check. Yes...I just created this account. Wikipedia is sweet for procrastination. Do you go to PA?

Another One...

That's a great idea...do you have any other support for it? I could fix it up like that...but I really don't have a whole lot of time right now...you know, upper year...what year did you graduate?

Many thanks from Ann

Hi Jfg284. I just wanted to thank you for your support for my RfA, and also (once again) for your help with TerrorMaker. I hope I'll live up to your expectations. Thanks again. AnnH ^(talk) 19:10, 25 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Cannon Mountain

Hey nice work on the cannon mt. page! --Wesman83 19:23, 25 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Re The Game/Bigggie

It may be possible but I very very doubt it as first The Game west side rapper and Biggie= East side rapper so plus I always listen to rap and I havent heard nothing about it in nither from my friends and from google but it may be possible in the future. Thanks --Aranda ⁵⁶) 00:18, 3 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Edit on The Beatles

Spot on mate! Christ is good, and so is correct English grammar!Lion King 21:48, 4 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Romeo Crennel

no problem. keep up the good work and i'll see you around the wiki.--Alhutch 15:47, 5 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks

I appreciate the advice and we'll discuss it in the Talk:The Game (rapper) section. The Stop Snitchin' Stop Lyin' is open opinion and not even relevent of The Game article. The user is adding information that doesn't apply to a direct article. LILVOKA 15:55. 5 December 2005 (UTC)

NPOV

Hi again. The concept of fair is a pov in it's own right - the npov stance is a definite western philosophy. As I said earlier, to be culturally fair means recognising the needs and values of the culture you are connecting to, not trying to replace their cultural values with NPOV ones. How to get round this? Well, from a democratic perspective, which is POV, let them have a choice of whether they want NPOV or pages written according to their culture's perception, expectations etc. Wiki has the capacity to become far greater than what it is, so why not encourage it to grow in a meaningful way? But that's my POV anyway on what NPOV should be. --Donald 05:36, 6 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Note: The rest of this conversation is located at User talk:Probelot, and is (I think) decently interesting. Take a look if you want. Unfortunately, User:Probelot left after a few days of discussion, so the discussion kind of died. --jfg284 ^{you were saying?}

Yeah your right!

I was checking out the arbitration committee site on the Wikipedia site. Thanks for the word. 7 December 2005 14:44 (UTC) LILVOKA

WP:NH

It looks like you've done a fair amount of work in regards to articles having to due with the Granite State, would you like to join our Wikiproject? karmafist 11:42, 15 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Rivalry

I've put the disputed tag back, and i'm going to head over to the Help Desk to see if we can get clarification. I just added a few more sources that say Boston/English is the longest rivalry (a few local papers, the NFL, etc.), but I want to make sure who actually does. karmafist 18:46, 15 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

PA Alumni Page

In the interests of specificity, I would probably go with using "Class of XXXX" for nongraduates only and not all alumni. This allows the reader to distinguish (or at least infer) who has graduated and who has not. I wouldn't mind seeing nongraduates' reasons for leaving PA, but it could possibly be problematic as that infomration can sometimes ride on rumor more than fact. Jhuang 17:10, 17 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Did it

Thanks - I blocked the vandal right as I noticed I had a new message from you. Hopefully this will keep the person calm for a while. Ramallite ^(talk) 18:31, 20 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Apollo Sunshine

I have to admit, I am a huge music nerd. I specifically go out and hunt for new and interesting music; it's probably a bigger hobby for me than Wikipedia. I can't say with certainty where I first came across Apollo Sunshine. Most likely, I found some of the band's mp3 downloads while browsing betterpropaganda.com, download.com, or a similar website. This was about the time of the release of their self-titled album. Since then I have seen a few ads for them on websites like Pitchfork; they are increasing a bit in popularity. Thanks for your message - it's always nice to hear from people with an interest in somewhat obscure music! Imaginaryoctopus 04:55, 29 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Music

Thanks for the music suggestions on my talk page - most definitely not an intrusion. uriah923^(talk) 02:00, 30 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Neckties

Thanks for the feedback on Neckties. I have included references in the entry and changed the heading of the section to "Health Issues' rather than 'Health Risks'. Cheers, John McCann

Your entry on my talk

I have updated the issue on my talk. This is the last contact I wish to receive from you on this matter. Continued contacts may be construed as harrassment. Thank you. -- SusanLarson ^{(User Talk, New talk, Contribs)} 17:45, 19 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Suspicious, isn't it, that any criticism or dialogue that isn't going SusanLarson's way is, er, "archived", or that any further contact is "harrassment"!? LOL. Oh well. Given her bizarre behaviour, my only guess is that SusanLarson's feelings on this issue are far from neutral. — Matt Crypto 22:57, 19 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Matt explained this situation best on his talk page, so i'll just copy and paste it here.

In case anyone's interested in this matter, here is a summary: SusanLarson first barges into a dispute and announces that she has sole authority to settle the dispute, suggests that any deviation from her binding "decision" will be taken as vandalism, accuses several editors in good standing of POV-pushing, completely fails to assume good faith, "archives" an increasingly embarrassing — yet still active — discussion that's not going her way, and then rudely and abruptly insists on ending any contact, which will be, er, "construed as harrassment". This is her idea of "ending the matter gracefully", I suppose. Oh well, move along. — Matt Crypto 22:58, 19 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The discussions in question took part on Talk:Dinosaur/archive3 and User talk:SusanLarson.

Art Brut

Ja. Guck mal unter www.langeleine.de (runterscrollen, ist wie ein blog aufgebaut.) Nehme an du warst auch da? Mir ist lieber, du schreibst mir 'ne private Mail, wenn's recht ist ;). Schöner Gruß von --84.131.60.193 18:39, 21 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ronald A. Smith

Thanks... that's a major help. There are a lot of sources on this since there are articles on him from newspapers, tv shows such as msnbc, cnn and others, and articles in USA Today as well and the press release by the NRCC. I just have to get dates and etc. and I'll note them as required once I figure out how that's done with the wikipedia formatting rules... and then put it back up. Thanks for your help. Wikistatman 02:13, 23 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

You are correct.

The first letter of a name or title, irrespective of where it appears in a sentence, must be a capital. Best wishes, Lion King 22:42, 24 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Reply To What You Said On My Talk Page

1. Yeah, Super Bowl XL seems rather anticlimatic this year for the same reason. Pittsburgh and Seattle mean little to nothing for me. Man, there were so many marketing opportunities built into "XL", i'm surprised the NFL didn't use it, but I guess you don't need to resort to a specific year in regards to hyping a Super Bowl. 2. Thanks ! Karm a fist 05:26, 25 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Image copyright problem with Image:Jewishflag.jpg

Thanks for uploading Image:Jewishflag.jpg. However, the image may soon be deleted unless we can determine the copyright holder and copyright status. The Wikimedia Foundation is very careful about the images included in Wikipedia because of copyright law (see Wikipedia's Copyright policy).

The copyright holder is usually the creator, the creator's employer, or the last person who was transferred ownership rights. Copyright information on images on Wikipedia is signified using copyright templates. The three basic license types on Wikipedia are open content, public domain, and fair use. Find the appropriate template in Wikipedia:Image copyright tags and place it on the image page like this: {{TemplateName}}.

Please signify the copyright information on any other images you have uploaded or will upload. Remember that images without this important information can be deleted by an administrator. You can get help on image copyright tagging from Wikipedia talk:Image copyright tags. -- Carnildo 22:54, 31 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Image copyright problem with Image:Eight bells.jpg

Thanks for uploading Image:Eight bells.jpg. However, the image may soon be deleted unless we can determine the copyright holder and copyright status. The Wikimedia Foundation is very careful about the images included in Wikipedia because of copyright law (see Wikipedia's Copyright policy).

The copyright holder is usually the creator, the creator's employer, or the last person who was transferred ownership rights. Copyright information on images is signified using copyright templates. The three basic license types on Wikipedia are open content, public domain, and fair use. Find the appropriate template in Wikipedia:Image copyright tags and place it on the image page like this: {{TemplateName}}.

Please signify the copyright information on any other images you have uploaded or will upload. Remember that images without this important information can be deleted by an administrator. If you have any questions, feel free to contact me. Thank you. -- Longhair 11:25, 1 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thank You

Thank you, my friend. But I wasn't intending on leaving, regardless of what happened. However, you can still help me out by chiming in to the arbcom and Jimbo on this situation on the current state of lawlessness on Wikipedia and how oligarchy will only result in resentment and worsen the situation. Karm a fist 16:54, 7 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

There You Go

Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Pedophilia userbox wheel war. Spread the word. Karm a fist 17:32, 7 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thank You, My Friend

I will accept if someone nominates me. I'm sorry to say this, but i've been having nightmares about Wikipedia over the past few days due to these events. I hate this feeling. I wish it would end, but I don't know how. Karm a fist 05:18, 9 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Response to Northern Ireland (transfered from User talk:BBX)

The old government of Northern Ireland flag was never the official flag of Northern Ireland, additionally it was the flag that represented the old Stormount government, which was (in the words of it's first "First Minister"; "A Protestant government, for the Protestant people", a government which oppressed the Nationalist/Republican and Catholic population of Northern Ireland, and therefore is seen as offensive to Nationalists/Republicans and Catholics as it represents oppressions and unjustice. The usage of it in itself shows onsidedness on the part of this "enclyclopedia", but I've noticed that it's the way. Removal of the word "Unofficial" just further shows that the views of Nationalists arne't repected here. Using the term Unofficial shows exactly what the flag is; Unofficial, it never has been the flag of Northern Ireland, and never will be. It has as much right to be there as the Irish Tricolour, yet I don't see anyone putting that up. I'm sure it would be taken down anyway.

The border is relaxed also, there is no border as far as people from Ireland as concerned and I mean ALL the people of Ireland, not just Nationalists and Republicans. Is there any stop points, check points, clearance areas ANYTHING between the six counties and the twenty six counties? No.

I get a lot of anti Irish Nationalist or at least Pro Unionist vibes here, but I'll continue to be correct in what I write and try and give an unbias opinion on the situation and State of northern Ireland, since no one else seems to be willing to do so. I have no doubt that a few people want me blocked from contributing to the northern Ireland article, it wouldn't be the first time an Irish Nationalist has been censored, but I would at least like to find a common ground in giving an unbias view on issues, instead of simply ignoring Nationalst views, common sense and the truth.

Looking back through the article, there is some common ground I can accept. Unofficial is correct, however I won't pursue it anymore. I would however like to add in the section under the "Survery results" pertaining to how northern Ireland people view the situation, as it gives a clear, unbias and informative viewpoint on what exactly northern Ireland people believe. BBX 16:36, 10 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The government was suspended, then collapsed after the Irish Civil rights movement protests began against Catholics being discriminated again by the Unionist government, which Britain turned a blind eye to. Thankfully Nationalists have slowly but surely gained a voice and the days of oppression are [I]virtually[/I] over (although issues including jobs, housing and policing still raise a lot of questions). When the so called government went, the flag went to. I understand your point on the border situation, I'll accept your word on that since I believe you're probably only trying to remind unbiased the facts you've been given, but living in the north of Ireland, and living through the "troubles" I know how offense flag is, kinda like flying a Nazi flag in Germany, to the Jews.

Why not find an unbiased flag to represent northern Ireland, perhaps the flag of St. Patrick (the red cross)? I don't know how "high up" you are here, but you do seem to have a lot of stroke, so I believe a healthy discussion between independant observers (i.e. not just Irish Nationalists and Unionists squabbling) might be a good thing. BBX 18:31, 10 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your help, hopefully others involved in the subject can be as understanding, but judging by the responsed I've got so far ..... well, I'll hope for the best. Thanks again.

re: You revision on New England Patriots

Please only use the rollback to revert vandalism. Because it does not allow edit summaries. Some users have abused the feature to mask their revisions during edit wars.
Wikipedia:HiddenStructure basically shows a CSS trick to hide certain text in templates. It enables several table rows to be made "optional"; instead of having the infobox for a particular article filled with a bunch of rows that just list "None", "N/A", or "0", they can be hidden from view instead.
Infoboxes on Wikipedia is intended to present a digested summary of common data for a group of articles with a common subject. It is very common for all of the information listed on the infobox to be somewhere in the article text too.

Zzyzx11 (Talk) 23:42, 10 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I think your main misunderstanding was that, although the template data parameter is "nicknames" on Template:NFL team, the caption that shows up on the infobox table row is in fact "Other nicknames". So when you do enter "Nicknames = The Pats", the infobox does display "Other nicknames: The Pats" Zzyzx11 (Talk) 23:49, 10 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The Game

Thanks for making me lose! ;) InTheFlesh? 21:38, 14 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, much thanks!

Just wanted to thank you for your work cleaning up the Charles Whitman article. It's a massive undertaking of an article, given his prominence, 'legacy' and that we're able to know a fair bit about his history (I still want to squeeze in some more on his wife, when I get the chance), but I just wanted to thank you for your efforts to improve it! Sherurcij ^{(talk) (Terrorist Wikiproject)} 20:13, 16 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Your stand on user boxes...

I tend to agree with much of what you say. I used to have quite a large number of political userboxes on my page which I removed, not so much because of Jimbo's comment but because I decided to make my user page more functional and less of a mini-biography. I still use quite a number - including The Game user box, which you just lost - but except for that one, they all are about projects I'm involved with or my stance on a few Wikipedia policies. I still think that knowing where a user is coming from can help you deduce good faith on some articles, and just didn't think they applied to me, as my focus is on pages like James Joyce and Pink Floyd, and who cares if a Floyd fan is agnostic? And I still haven't been shown an AFD that was completely altered by the use of userboxes or categories to rally those who share your opinions.

I certainly don't think the Wikipedia is going to fall apart over some coloured bits of info on a user page, the danger is in losing good editors or admins through fighting about those coloured bits, and it's a shame that the "Great Purge" and the paedophelia wheel war resulted in just that. Anyway, well-written mini-essay. - dharmabum 00:00, 18 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Seal of the town of andover.png

You marked this image as being in the public domain because it's the work of the federal government, but I don't think this is correct. The copyright holder would most likely be the town of Andover, MA. As such, I changed the licensing to {{Symbol}} instead. Regards, howch e ng {chat} 22:39, 7 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Save The Game!

Help us track down verifiable sources to bring The Game back! Go to SaveTheGame.org! Bkkbrad 20:31, 25 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Neckties

I have recently noted that you have done some work on the article about neckties, And i have started a discussion off saying that clip-on ties should have its own page as even though they are a simple device, alot can be writted about them, you can see the Necktie talk page article and then go on my talk page and comment on it there please! User talk:Dep. Garcia Thanks P.S No one has made any comments, and the reason i choose you is because you seem like a reasonable user! (Dep. Garcia 18:01, 17 August 2006 (UTC))[reply]