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before the question. Again, welcome! RJFJR (talk) 14:26, 19 April 2013 (UTC)
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Space X makes no mention of Moonbase Alpha. The only relevant mention that I could find is Mars Base Alpha in SpaceX Mars transportation infrastructure. I added that as a See also item. If Space X's Moonbase Alpha is notable, it should be added to an article first, with references, then to the disambiguation page.
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[edit]Please do not cite Army Recognition as a source -- per WP:ARMYRECOGNITION, it has been deprecated as being generally unreliable. Additionally, please make sure that when you're citing a source, that the claim you're referencing must be actually directly supported by the given source. Thanks. ⇒SWATJester Shoot Blues, Tell VileRat! 00:24, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
- Your editing approach is what makes interacting with Wikipedia a waste of time. By all means, if you want to caveat something, choose better wording, find a better source, or find a conflicting source, then do so. But stripping valuable context from the article without replacement just leaves the reader worse off. It is undisputed that many people have been calling the J-36 "sixth-generation", whether or not that designation is appropriate (or even precise enough to be useful), and the intense interest in the plane is best understood in that context. Jess_Riedel (talk) 17:35, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
- "My editing approach" is the core foundation on which Wikipedia is based -- consensus and reliable sourcing. A consensus of editors has determined that Army Recognition is not a reliable source and should not be used. We do not include information for the sake of inclusion -- we include it when reliable sources can verify it. Whether people are calling the J-36 "sixth-generation" or not is irrelevant -- what matters is what reliable sources call it, and whether they do so in a manner that's verifiable and in accordance with our policies. Given that there is literally zero basis for anyone to make a determination on whether the J-36 is "sixth generation" because there is literally zero verifiable, reliable information about it's capabilities, it is decidedly *AGAINST* our core content policies to include speculation to the contrary. If that's what you're looking for, you're on the wrong project. And I'd caution you to think twice before suggesting that an editor who literally helped build this project for the past 20 years and with an order of magnitude greater editing experience here than you, is "what makes interacting with Wikipedia a waste of time." That kind of incivility is uncalled for and unwelcome. Don't do that again. ⇒SWATJester Shoot Blues, Tell VileRat! 18:44, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
- Consensus and reliable sourcing is great. As I said, by all means improve. I have no problem with removing Army Recognition and did not dispute that. But go to the trouble of finding a better source for useful true facts rather than just deleting the fact.
- Whether major news sources are calling it sixth-generation, and the inconclusive but non-trivial evidence for these claims, is very relevant for any reader who is trying to make sense of the world. Wikipedia is not improved by editor speculation, and has policies against it for good reason, but it is improved by noting widespread and justified discussion by reliable sources and commentators. Those sources discuss the pros and cons of this sort of terminology and the existing evidence for it applying to the J-36, and the reader is worse off for not getting links to them. Your suggestion here that there is no verifiable evidence is false. There is of course no conclusive evidence, but that is a very different thing. (There's no conclusive evidence for cosmological inflation, but there are entire wikipedia articles on it based on the beliefs of reliable sources and the evidence they provide.) Even if you believed, incorrectly, there were no good reasons for anyone to think the J-36 qualified as sixth-generation, it would be much more constructive to edit the article to say so and cite the relevant sources, not just delete delete delete. (It looks like you have done so after my first reply to you here; great! Thank you.)
- There was no editor consensus on this topic, and indeed no mention of it on the J-36 talk page until *after* I replied to you here. Now there are 4 comments from you and none from anyone else. You can't create consensus on your own, but you can succeed in driving away other editors.
- Since you brought up your experience, lets look at your edit history. I'm scanning the last 250 and I think it's >90% deleting, reverting, and sanctioning people? Wikipedia's active editor account has been on the decline for 17 of the 20 years you've been contributing, and it's this sort of activity that's responsible. Jess_Riedel (talk) 21:48, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
- Administrators enforcing our core content policies are responsible for 17 years of active editor account decline? Good luck with that argument. ⇒SWATJester Shoot Blues, Tell VileRat! 22:09, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
- An organization accumulating individually well-motivated policies that are then enforced myopically for their own sake, displacing constructive work, is indeed a common cause of organizational decline. But of course we won't settle that dispute here. Jess_Riedel (talk) 22:28, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
- Administrators enforcing our core content policies are responsible for 17 years of active editor account decline? Good luck with that argument. ⇒SWATJester Shoot Blues, Tell VileRat! 22:09, 5 January 2025 (UTC)
- "My editing approach" is the core foundation on which Wikipedia is based -- consensus and reliable sourcing. A consensus of editors has determined that Army Recognition is not a reliable source and should not be used. We do not include information for the sake of inclusion -- we include it when reliable sources can verify it. Whether people are calling the J-36 "sixth-generation" or not is irrelevant -- what matters is what reliable sources call it, and whether they do so in a manner that's verifiable and in accordance with our policies. Given that there is literally zero basis for anyone to make a determination on whether the J-36 is "sixth generation" because there is literally zero verifiable, reliable information about it's capabilities, it is decidedly *AGAINST* our core content policies to include speculation to the contrary. If that's what you're looking for, you're on the wrong project. And I'd caution you to think twice before suggesting that an editor who literally helped build this project for the past 20 years and with an order of magnitude greater editing experience here than you, is "what makes interacting with Wikipedia a waste of time." That kind of incivility is uncalled for and unwelcome. Don't do that again. ⇒SWATJester Shoot Blues, Tell VileRat! 18:44, 5 January 2025 (UTC)