User talk:Jerodlycett/2020/July

Judy Mowatt

I removed the false claim that Judy Mowatt is he wife of Bunny Wailer, also that she uses, or used Jean Watt as a pseudonym. She DID use Jean as a stage name very briefly in 1970, which may be the reason for the confusion. Bunny Wailer has been living with a different person (they are not married) named Jean Watt, who was reported missing on May 23, 2020. I also contacted D.Moskowitz, the author of the book which is used as source to the false info of Mowatt And Watt being the same person, to investigate his source. He replied that he cannot recall, so not first-hand knowledge (how could it be?) Phk1966.

@Phk1966: first, learn to thread properly on talk pages. Second, why are you even stating this on my talk page, it essentially amounts to spam. Jerod Lycett (talk) 05:21, 27 June 2020 (UTC)

@Jerodlycett: I apologize. Should I remove above comment? I have good intentions. Phk1966 (talk) 08:58, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Judy Mowatt is NOT married to Bunny Wailer. Why does her page make that claim? Wink37 (talk) 03:13, 23 June 2020 (UTC)

@Wink37: I don't know, but check the note box at the top of this page. Jerod Lycett (talk) 03:15, 23 June 2020 (UTC)

King Vidor - "Footnotes" and "References"

Hi Jerod - I noticed you revised the Footnote/Reference section the King Vidor bio, placing all citations under References, then listing the sources without a heading. Do you think we might place the "footnotes" under a "Citations" section, then put sources (the books, articles cited) under a Sources section? --Lord Such&Such (talk) 17:00, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

@Lord Such&Such: See MOS:NOTES on why the name was chosen. If you are using explanatory footnotes that are not a reference then check out WP:EXPLNOTE for the various templates to use for them, in general {{efn}} will do. Those can be placed separately in a Notes section, which I generally place above the References section. MOS:ORDER does not specify an order for the two though. However, all references are put into the same section in general. I also recommend that if use a reference you do so as a footnote to support a statement, to show that you aren't accidentally doing some WP:SYNTHESIS. Jerod Lycett (talk) 18:24, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Thank you Jerod - As to the matter of SYNTHESIS, I don't believe that any of my material deviates in any substantial way from my sources. Of course, unless the historians who provide the sources write the wiki entries themselves, a degree of synthesis or compression is absolutely required. If you discern any tendentiousness in my synthesis, please feel free to point it out and I will adjustments, as needed.--Lord Such&Such (talk) 16:13, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Overwriting Me

Hi,

You have undone two of my edits that I am using to clean up articles and undoing the proper changes. One such example is here where you completely undid all of my changes. The other example is here. Can you please check and double check what you are doing? I would very much appreciate it. Thanks, Bakertheacre ^Chat/_{My Contibutions} 19:56, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

@Bakertheacre: For the first, the edit by 116.75.76.204 was vandalism, and I was reverting to before that vandalism. For the second all the additions by 24.184.55.221 were spam links, and I was reverting to before that vandalism. You need to make sure that you aren't just leaving vandalism behind when you make edits with WPCleaner. It's really easy to click the check history button and look to make sure. Jerod Lycett (talk) 20:12, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

I had cleared those up I thought by removing them when I was editing it. It may be we were just doing them at the same time. It’s all good though. Thanks for explaining. Bakertheacre ^Chat/_{My Contibutions} 20:18, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

1271 Edit

Hello, I added a lot of new information to this page and I would like detailed information as to why it was reverted back to a version with outdated information. Thanks Apchrysafis (talk) 20:27, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

@Apchrysafis: I had to look at your contributions to figure out what you meant as I first assumed you meant 1271. The reason you were reverted is because you removed a ton of references and added a ton of uncited information. Do not remove cited information. Anyone can remove uncited information at any time, which I did so. You also used bolding instead of actual headers, which is an accessibility and MOS issue. Finally looking at your talk page it appears you have a Conflict of interest which you have not properly disclosed. Jerod Lycett (talk) 20:39, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

Hi there, thank you for that information! Please help me understand how to make the changes properly. How can I keep the existing citations in instances where I want to reorder the text within the page? How can I add citations to the new information? Am I allowed to include factual information that was not sourced online but rather directly from the company? How can I replace images with recent ones that feature significantly updated elements? Thanks a lot for your help. Apchrysafis (talk) 21:26, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

@Apchrysafis: First, you need to address the possible Conflict of interest. Second, you should use an article's talk page to come to a consensus with others if you want to change the order of a page, note that MOS:ORDER has guidelines on that too. When you change the order of text make sure you move the citations that support them with it. Third, no, self-published sources are not WP:RS, and statements need to be supported by a neutral third party. There's also issues with WP:NPOV that could come up with that. Fourth, images have to be uploaded here properly and shown to be free of copyright to be used in most situations, usually meaning you took the photo yourself and can show ownership. Finally, please learn how to thread on a talk page. I suggest taking The Wikipedia Adventure to learn how to edit here. You can use the Teahouse to ask further questions if you need help. I primarily focus on WP:Methodism, WP:Anti-vandalism, and WP:WCW stuff. However, you seriously need to address the Conflict of interest possibility, as non-disclosure will get you banned permanently. Jerod Lycett (talk) 22:14, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for your feedback!

I appreciate your feedback -- as I am Lev Gleason's great-nephew, and just published the first biography of him, I will refrain from making any edits to the Lev Gleason Publications page. I'll leave that to others!Bdakin76 (talk) 13:20, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

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@Moxy: I have no idea what this is in reference to, at all. Jerod Lycett (talk) 13:57, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

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Question from Cdblachford

Hi Jerodlycett, I am having trouble with the proper way to cite references. In looking at the last version, someone eliminated much of the article. Can I leave the article as draft? The citations are not as easy as I thought they would be. He won the Korean Championship in 1965 - this pre-dates some of the lists of Korean Taekwondo people. Now I have found more evidence of why he is notable. Should I take the whole thing down and re-post it?Cdblachford (talk) 01:36, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

@Cdblachford: First, please start new sections on talk pages. Second, I strongly recommend to you to take The Wikipedia Adventure. Third, our version of Notability and yours may differ. We also have requirements on sources, biggest being they may be Reliable sources. A blog or business' website or press releases are generally not considered reliable as they are self-published. Primary sources (those written by the subject of the article) are also not considered reliable. The article in Blackbelt for example was written by Ki himself, and for that reason cannot be used to establish notability. If you have coverage in second party sources (usually news or magazines being the easiest to find), aren't copying from them violating copyright, and can support what you're saying with citations then feel free to edit the article. However everything I removed was not only unsupported, but from the sources provided could not be supported. You'll see almost none of what remains is supported. The only thing is a questionably reliable reference stating that he won the 1965 and 1967 tournaments. Jerod Lycett (talk) 03:04, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

Comments by Jjeanpierre11

Dear Jerodlycett, My name is Jean Jean-Pierre. I’m a musician/composer/journalist (have written for 11 years for the Village Voice, NY). I’m also a concert and stage producer having produced the likes of Danny Glover, Susan Sarendon and the late Ossie Davis. I thank you for bringing to my attention the fact that I made some additions to the pages of Compas Direct, a music and rhythm I grew up and also have played. I take this opportunity to apologize for not « citing » some of my sources. Here’s my deep problems with Wikipedia’s content on on this specific subject: some of the dates, names and facts can be easily verified on the number of discographies of Nemours Jean-Baptiste, the creator of the genre. There are many articles and books written on the subjects that reflect the FACTS not included therein. Here are a few specimens:

A book by SAINVIL Ed Rainer, Tambour frappés Haïtiens Campés, USA, 2001. 7. READ PAPER. —— https://haitiliberte.com/jean-robert-jean-pierre/ ——-

https://issuu.com/sdqmag/docs/edicion11 —— Claude DAUPHIN Histoire du style musical d'Haïti (ESSAI) (French Edition) 4.8 out of 5 stars (5)Reviews Histoire du style musical d'Haïti (ESSAI) (French Edition)

These are samples of books and articles I believe those who had provided content to Wikipedia on the subject could have used for the sake of accuracy. The heirs of Nemours Jean-Baptiste had had contacted on that matter and I promised them to help. So, I will provide you in the near feature the required documentation. However, rest assured this is a subject of the utmost importance for the culture of Haiti. My sincere appreciation. Jean Jean-Pierre — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jjeanpierre11 (talk • contribs) 01:51, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

@Jjeanpierre11: First, please create a new section when using talk pages. Second, please do sign your posts on talk pages. Third, I strongly suggest you take The Wikipedia Adventure. The message you left is basically unreadable. From what I can piece together you have one book that may be a Reliable source ISBN 9780615119007, an article about what appears to be yourself in what is possibly a reliable source, an article that I would highly question is in a reliable source written by what appears to be you, but which suggests a Conflict of Interest in editing that article, and a memoire/autobiography which is absolutely not going to be considered a reliable source. As for the information you keep trying to add about the trademark, I see no evidence of that, whatsoever, being true. You also appear to be working on behalf of people trying to push a WP:POV. If you are being paid for it then you absolutely need to disclose that. As for discographies, most of those are not considered reliable and trying to source to them will get your edit reverted. Jerod Lycett (talk) 03:04, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

Question for you

Hi, I noticed that some articles I tag for deletion, you come up shortly after me and perform the tasks in WPCleaner. Since I nominated them for deletion or CSD, I usually will not fix the errors on them. Would you prefer I did fix the errors? Typically I would consider it a waste of time if it gets deleted especially for some of these that have upwards of 100 errors on the page due to editors not adding code correctly or spelling or what not. Thoughts?

Thanks, Bakertheacre ^Chat/_{What I Baked} 07:55, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

@Bakertheacre: Since you can't guarantee the page will be deleted you should fix the errors, especially in the off chance it just gets draftified. Remember, anyone can remove the PROD or CSD as a challenge to it. At which point unless you circle back and AfD it, which will take at minimum a week, the errors will be sitting there, assuming that no one finds something to show it's notable. If your interest lies away from fixing errors there is always New pages patrol, which I'd rank as a higher responsibility and higher importance. I like being a WikiGnome myself, and fight vandalism in my spare time. Jerod Lycett (talk) 08:05, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

Jerodlycett, thank you for that information. I was wondering if you can look at the history of 1861 Goulburn colonial by-election for me please? I took the wiki link out of the title and someone added it back in with “ ‎Link included for excerpt” as their edit note. I am not familiar with that as my understanding from reading everything is nothing in an article should be linking back to the same article. Maybe this is something different. WPCleaner caught this error so I removed the link. It should be the top 2 on the history (at the time of this writing).

Also I noticed at the top of some pages it is missing “Article Description”. Is there a page or list where those are so I can put the right ones in?

I will look into the other items you mentioned. My schedule is all over the place depending on orders and deliveries but I will still take a look.

Thanks, Bakertheacre ^Chat/_{What I Baked} 08:28, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

That's because some people apparently decided that it's okay to transclude parts of articles into other articles rather than just rewriting it. While this barely makes sense in cases where things are updated regularly, I think it overall causes an issue for editors, but I think that'd need to be taken to an RFC to be ended. Specifically it's transcluded at Electoral results for the district of Goulburn with the template: {{Excerpt}} Jerod Lycett (talk) 08:35, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

Jerodlycett, Oh ok. I am not sure how to do that. I will look it up. Thanks, Bakertheacre ^Chat/_{What I Baked} 16:01, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

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Hi again, I noticed this

==Schedule==

The following eight games are reported in Fordham's media guide,<ref name=MG/> CFDW,<ref name=CFDW/> Sports Reference LLC,<ref name=SR>{{cite web|title=1909 Fordham Rams Schedule and Results|publisher=Sports Reference LLC|work=SR/College Football|accessdate=June 22, 2020|url=https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Special:Watchlist?hidepreviousrevisions=1&hidecategorization=1&hideWikibase=1&limit=500&days=30&urlversion=2}}</ref> and contemporaneous press coverage.

on the page 1909 Fordham Maroon football team. Am I correct in assuming that is not the correct way to do this and is a watchlist of a user even considered a valid reference? I have also noticed a lot of articles are citing wikipedia articles, which I thought should not be used (maybe I am mistaken). Any input would help. I am leaving the page alone for now.

Thanks again, Bakertheacre ^Chat/_{What I Baked} 17:03, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

@Bakertheacre: Per WP:CIRC Wikipedia is just not to be used as a source. Some editors leave a {{circular reference}} tag instead, but there's nothing preventing it from just properly being removed, which I do when I come across it. Jerod Lycett (talk) 00:40, 20 July 2020 (UTC)

Jerodlycett, awesome because that is what I have been doing especially if I see it as a full url instead of a wiki link. I looked at a page earlier and every link was to another wiki article so I zapped it. Thanks again! Bakertheacre ^Chat/_{What I Baked} 00:42, 20 July 2020 (UTC)

@Bakertheacre: Just be careful to check, sometimes people use a reference instead of a link, like here. Jerod Lycett (talk) 07:03, 20 July 2020 (UTC)

Jerodlycett, yeah I’m super cautious about that but typically it is just something like [https://en.wikipedia.com/mainpage]] (that was actually one I ran across and was listed quite a few times lol) Bakertheacre ^Chat/_{What I Baked} 07:06, 20 July 2020 (UTC)

RfC Comment

Hi,

I think I opened it correctly and posted it, but not sure. Can you go to Wikipedia:Village_pump_(policy)#RfC_-_Excerpt and check it out and make sure it is correct please? Thanks, Bakertheacre ^Chat/_{What I Baked} 17:20, 20 July 2020 (UTC)

Discussion at Talk:Urban Mass Transit Company#Contested deletion

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Unsigned section

Jerod, I'm Randy and I was requested by Malcolm to update his Wikipedia page. Thank you for your diligence and kindness. I'd like to make several more changes. It's not vandalism, it's just inexperience on my part. Thanks - Randy7 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.201.143.235 (talk) 18:48, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

Harry Shaw (English Footballer)

Hi I noticed you edited this page yesterday. This refers to my mated grandfather. His name was Harold never Harry. Some of the articles referred to correctly refer to him as Harold. Would you change the page name /title to “Harold Shaw (English Footballer)” please or tell me how to do this? Thanks Johntc1 (talk) 08:39, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

@Johntc1: The references that are on there refer to him as Harry, and we use the WP:COMMONNAME here. If you can show that more media refer to him as Harold than Harry there may be an argument to be made. As for your relation to him, that is a conflict of interest, which there are rules on. Jerod Lycett (talk) 15:57, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

@Jerodlycett and Johntc1:, I placed the COI template on Johntc1's talk page {https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Johntc1&oldid=969133008} and also the declaration on the talk page of the article {https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Talk:Harry_Shaw_(footballer)&oldid=969134069}. Bakertheacre ^Chat/_{What I Baked} 16:12, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

Valid Reference

Hey going through my usual I came across Bonkers! and one of the references they use is https://tabloidbaby.blogspot.com/. Would this be considered a valid reference? Bakertheacre ^Chat/_{What I Baked} 23:54, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

@Bakertheacre: No. Not at all. We do have WP:RSN if anything comes up, but that is most definitely self-published, and has no editorial oversight. The satire bit also puts it further away from RS. The only thing it could be used for is attribution. Jerod Lycett (talk) 15:40, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

Jerodlycett, So should I just remove it and add the citation needed note? Bakertheacre ^Chat/_{What I Baked} 16:16, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

@Bakertheacre: It's what I would do, if you feel the statement needs a citation. Jerod Lycett (talk) 16:31, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

Jerodlycett, and done. Thanks! Bakertheacre ^Chat/_{What I Baked} 16:35, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

ISBN

I was just doing cleanup on an article and it threw an error about a check digit on ISBN 9781674368378 however, it is a valid ISBN. This is one of many places it is listed {https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/international-journal-of-middle-east-studies/article/stefan-ihrig-ataturk-in-the-nazi-imagination-cambridge-mass-belknap-press-of-harvard-university-press-2014-pp-311-2995-cloth-isbn-9781674368378/D9A24D0ABE332BEA024F02754AD2E887} It is even in the world catalog. Is WP pulling this information from somewhere that would say it is invalid? The article is Stefan Ihrig. Look at references 12 and 15 please? Could you let me know how to fix that please?

Also, two side notes for you:

1. Reference 12 cites numerous sources that shows where his book is at and I do not think that is correct. 2. I also made some changes to a duplicate finder script if you would like to test it. Once all duplicate links are handled the page will look normal. First instance will have a green box around it and duplicates will be red. You have to do the full article so I open one in edit mode then another tab in the actual article. I have some plans for hoping getting this to kinda automate to help. I just did an article where pretty much everything was blue or red lol.Link

Thanks, Bakertheacre ^Chat/_{What I Baked} 17:22, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

@Bakertheacre: I'm not sure what you mean by duplicate finder. As for the citations, almost of those seem to point to reviews or citations of it, not sure why they felt they needed so many. For the reference errors they have help links that explain things, if they're not visible see if editing your CSS file helps, mine is here. As for the ISBN, it's not a valid ISBN, you can calculate the check digit here to see. In that case you need to mark it as a proper, but invalid, ISBN with the parameter ignore-isbn-error. Jerod Lycett (talk) 17:46, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

Jerodlycett, Cool beans! I will check that out. So say Jerrod is has an article on wikipedia. Someone wrote another article about something Jerrod was involved in. They mention him numerous times throughout the article (maybe even 5 times in a paragraph). That would be overlinking because maybe the editor linked to [[Jerrod]] 80 times in the article. The JS I edited will put a green box around the first linked [[Jerrod]] and then a red box around all of the other links to [[Jerrod]]. Thanks, Bakertheacre ^Chat/_{What I Baked} 17:53, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

Jerodlycett, Here is a link to an image so you can see what it looks like: https://imgur.com/Cep9f2n (the dotted green is the first instance of the link and the solid reds are duplicate links. It checks the link itself to see if it is duplicated, but if it is a different link it will see it in green. IE . [[Jerod]] *will be green; 2nd and on [[Jerod]] will be seen as red. [[Jerod|Jerod Wise]] will be green [[Jerod|Jerrod Smith]] should be red. I have not run into that yet so I still manually review everything :) Bakertheacre ^Chat/_{What I Baked} 19:56, 23 July 2020 (UTC)