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File source and copyright licensing problem with File:Oscar-building-wiki-2.png
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Problems with upload of File:Oscar-all-june-2014.png
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File:Oscar-building-wiki-ready-aerial-2.png listed for discussion
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Photos
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- available under a {{cc-by-sa-4.0}} or compatible licence
- uploaded to the Commons
- used in a Commons gallery rather than cluttering up an any article.
— RHaworth (talk · contribs) 10:20, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
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Image tagging for File:Oscar-wiki-main-photo.jpg
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File permission problem with File:Oscar-building-construction.png
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File:OSCAR building at Delaware State University.jpg listed for discussion
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File:OSCAR building at Delaware State University - front.jpeg listed for discussion
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File:OSCAR students in building at Delaware State University.jpeg listed for discussion
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File:OSCAR building sign at Delaware State University - front.jpeg listed for discussion
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There have been two problems with this account: the account has been used for advertising or promotion, which is contrary to the purpose of Wikipedia, and your username indicates that the account represents a business or other organisation or group, which is also against policy, as an account must be for just one person. Because of those problems, the account has been blocked indefinitely from editing.
If you intend to make useful contributions about some topic other than your business or organisation, you may request an unblock. To do so, post the text {{unblock-spamun|Your proposed new username|Your reason here}}
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{{unblock|Your reason here}}
at the bottom of your talk page, but you should read the guide to appealing blocks first. Your name suggests a corporate account which is not allowed and your edits indicate clearly that you are not here to build an encyclopedia but merely to promote one building. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 15:28, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
JCalzado (block log • active blocks • global blocks • autoblocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))
Requested username:
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JCalzado (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))
Request reason:
Thank you for that explanation. However, the article was in my sandbox and still a work in progress. You mention that I have not addressed the "promotional tone of my edits". However, that sentence you mention was not brought to my attention as being in violation, and secondly, it is factual. Looking over it, I can see how it may sound exclusive and can change "the focal point" to "a focal point" but the fact that the center converges science, engineering, and economic development is accurate. I tried elaborating, and can elaborate further if necessary, or if it absolutely is in violation, then I can remove it entirely, but I certainly have credible references that will be properly cited upon completion of the article. I'm completely open for discussion regarding anything edits made, and I am willing to make whatever changes necessary to remain in compliance of Wikipedia. (Oscar6522 (talk) 13:34, 20 May 2016 (UTC))
Decline reason:
The wording that Huon quoted was merely an illustrative example: the whole page is full of such language, designed to impress us with how good "OSCAR" is. If, even when it has been drawn to your attention, you still can't see that the page reads like a promotional brochure rather than a dispassionate neutral account, then it is very unlikely that you will be able to edit in the neutral way needed. The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 15:13, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.
{{unblock-spamun | 1=Thank you for that expanded explanation Mr. Watson. It's not that I can't see, but rather I can not make any changes to the article and it was in my Sandbox, not live or published. The article is not complete and this constructive criticism is both welcomed and received. I see the tone and would love to work towards ensuring my articles read as neutral as possible, however, due to my account being disabled, I am unable to work on said tone and fix the issue at hand. (Oscar6522 (talk) 18:22, 20 May 2016 (UTC))
Block raised at ANI
FYI: Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#More out of control legalism from Stefan2
If you have any comment to make, I'd be happy to copy them over, under WP:EVADE.
I'm sorry for how your experience of Wikipedia has gone so far, that you've had this ridiculous block and also that I didn't personally have time to try and avert it earlier. This is pretty much the opposite of how this sort of situation should have been resolved. Andy Dingley (talk) 18:15, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
Thank you Andy. I am truly trying my best. (Oscar6522 (talk) 18:24, 20 May 2016 (UTC))
- Unfortunately the ANI thread was closed immediately on the basis of "let's all be nice to each other". Which only seems to extend to admins and the clique though. Sorry. 8-( Andy Dingley (talk) 19:30, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
File:Noureddine-melikechi-dphil.png listed for discussion
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Request reason:
Thank you for that explanation. However, the article was in my sandbox and still a work in progress. You mention that I have not addressed the "promotional tone of my edits". However, that sentence you mention was not brought to my attention as being in violation, and secondly, it is factual. Looking over it, I can see how it may sound exclusive and can change "the focal point" to "a focal point" but the fact that the center converges science, engineering, and economic development is accurate. I tried elaborating, and can elaborate further if necessary, or if it absolutely is in violation, then I can remove it entirely, but I certainly have credible references that will be properly cited upon completion of the article. I'm completely open for discussion regarding anything edits made, and I am willing to make whatever changes necessary to remain in compliance of Wikipedia. (Oscar6522 (talk) 14:42, 20 May 2016 (UTC))
Accept reason:
Hi Oscar6522, I saw the mention of your block at WP:ANI. I'm unblocking based on the following 3 conditions:
- You'll head over to Wikipedia:Changing username/Simple and change your username when you log back on;
- You'll stop uploading images for a while, until you understand Wikipedia's policies; it looks like almost all of them aren't appropriately licensed, and many (most?) of them aren't really fixable. This can be discussed, of course, if the rules are unclear, but until then no more image uploads, OK?
- Please read and understand our conflict of interest policy: WP:COI. It appears at least some of it applies to you. This doesn't necessarily mean you need to stop editing about OSCAR, but you definitely need to understand the increased scrutiny you're going to get, and how you need to approach this.
Feel free to ask here if you have any questions. I may not be around a lot, so either be patient for a reply, or go to the WP:Teahouse for a quicker response.
I understand this block probably felt heavy-handed, but please understand we have to deal with a lot of spam here, and sometimes we use tools that are too big for the job. --Floquenbeam (talk) 19:43, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
Conflict of interest
Hi JCalzado, now that you have been unblocked, I would like to take a minute of your time to deal with conflict of interest matters in Wikipedia. (I work on COI issues in Wikipedia, along with my regular editing) There are two steps to managing COI in Wikipedia - disclosure and a form of peer review.
One thing at a time - disclosure first. Above you noted that you are "affiliated" with Oscar. You don't have to identify yourself (your identity is protected by the WP:OUTING policy) but we do ask editors to disclose the nature of their COI. You could be faculty or staff there, you could be a contractor hired to create an article about the center.... there are many ways you could be affiliated. Would you please explain? You can do there here, just below this comment. Once you reply, I can work with you to make a more formal disclosure, and then I can tell you how the peer review piece works. Best regards Jytdog (talk) 20:59, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
- Apologies for the delayed response. I had trouble logging in (did not know username was case sensitive at login). Anyway, all is well. Yes, I am an employee at OSCAR. We produce information for various journals within the scientific community based on our research. Hopefully we can add to the Wikipedia community and also increase the accuracy of many articles as accurately and as neutral as possible. Thank you for your reply and assistance in sorting out formal COI disclosures. Your guidance is dearly appreciated. JCalzado (talk) 04:40, 10 June 2016 (UTC)
- Glad to know you are well. Thanks for making the disclosure. So you have a COI for OSCAR and people related to it, as we define COI in Wikipedia.
- To finish the disclosure piece, would you please add the disclosure to your user page (which is User:JCalzado - a redlink, because you haven't written anything there yet). Just something simple like: "I work for OSCAR and have a conflict of interest with regard to it" would be fine. If you want to add anything else there that is relevant to what you want to do in WP feel free to add it, but please don't add anything promotional about OSCAR (see WP:USERPAGE for guidance if you like).
- I added a tag to the draft article's talk page and to Talk:Noureddine Melikechi, so the disclosure is done there. Once you disclose on your user page, the disclosure piece of this will be done.
- As I noted above, there are two pieces to COI management in WP. The first is disclosure. The second is peer review. This piece may seem a bit strange to you at first, but if you think about it, it will make sense. In Wikipedia, editors can immediately publish their work, with no intervening publisher or standard peer review -- you can just create an article, click save, and viola there is a new article, and you can go into any article, make changes, click save, and done. No intermediary - no publisher, no "editors" as that term is used in the real world. So the bias that conflicted editors tend to have, can go right into the article. Conflicted editors are also really driven to try to make the article fit with their external interest. If they edit directly, this often leads to big battles with other editors.
- What we ask editors to do who have a COI and want to work on articles where their COI is relevant, is
- a) if you want to create an article relevant to a COI you have, create the article as a draft, disclose your COI on the Talk page using the appropriate template, and then submit the draft article through the WP:AFC process so it can be reviewed before it publishes; and
- b) And if you want to change content in any existing article on a topic where you have a COI, we ask you to propose content on the Talk page for others to review and implement before it goes live, instead of doing it directly yourself. You can make the edit request easily - and provide notice to the community of your request - by using the "edit request" function as described in the conflict of interest guideline. I made that easy for you by adding a section to the beige box at the top of the Talk page at Talk:Noureddine Melikechi - there is a link at "click here" in that section -- if you click that, the Wikipedia software will automatically format a section in which you can make your request.
- What we ask editors to do who have a COI and want to work on articles where their COI is relevant, is
- By following those "peer review" processes, editors with a COI can contribute where they have a COI, and the integrity of WP can be protected. We get some great contributions that way, when conflicted editors take the time to understand what kinds of proposals are OK under the content policies. (which I will say more about, if you want).
- I hope that makes sense to you.
- I want to add here that per the WP:COI guideline, if you want to directly update simple, uncontroversial facts (for example, correcting the facts about where the company has offices) you can do that directly in the article, without making an edit request on the Talk page. Just be sure to always cite a reliable source for the information you change, and make sure it is simple, factual, uncontroversial content.
- Will you please agree to follow the peer review processes going forward, when you want to work on any article where your COI is relevant? Do let me know, and if anything above doesn't make sense I would be happy to discuss. And if you want me to quickly go over the content policies, I can do that. Just let me know. Thanks!
- Oh - also, the draft article in your sandbox really should be in what we call 'draft' space and set up for the AfC process, so that when it is ready you can submit it for review. May I move it draft space and enter it into the AfC queue? That will add a button to it so that you just have to click that, to tell reviewers it is ready to go. Just let me know. Jytdog (talk) 04:58, 10 June 2016 (UTC)
WOW what an awesome resource you have become. I can not thank you enough for taking the time to explain everything and which such clarity. It all makes perfect sense. Moving forward, I do agree to follow the peer review process per our discussion.
I have added the disclosure piece to JCalzado talk page.
Thank you kindly for the link on Melikechi talk page.
I would greatly appreciate it if you could move the article to 'draft.' My only request would be if you could point me in the right direction on how to move to 'draft' and set up AfC process that would most helpful and appreciated.
I would definitely love to hear more about which kind of proposals are OK under content policies. Also, I would like to know about proper image tagging. I can't seem to properly tag photos that I have taken and have complete ownership of as the ImageTaggingBot is not content with any of my edits (the images have since been auto-deleted).
Lastly, on the Melikechi talk page there was an external link modification request. After reviewing, it appears as though the editor wishes to change my original link:
"http://news.delaware.gov/2011/11/18/governor-markell-names-ambassador-to-mars/"
Upon visiting the proposed link, it appears to be an exact duplicate with a "floating toolbar" overlayed atop the page. Is archive.org affiliated with Wikipedia in any capacity and is this practice commonplace? Just seems fishy to me. I have pasted actual request below:
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Again, thank you so very much for your support, patience, and guidance. JCalzado (talk) 15:43, 10 June 2016 (UTC)
- My pleasure, and thank you for being so gracious.
- The cyberbot is fine - it does things as unlike other bots it tells you about it on the talk page. (there are various "bots" that people run that do various kinds of maintenance chores, like fixing dashes (some people are really anal about N-dashes and some other kind.. I don't understand it but there is a bot that changes dashes) and that do things like move punctuation before references, or format citations better, etc. This one goes into the internet archive to see if there is a link saved there, so that we don't get WP:LINKROT. Helpful.
- I will move your draft into draft space and slide it into the AfC queue. Next time you want to create an article, just go to WP:AFC there is a big blue button there and if you click that and go through the various pages you will end up at an article in draft space with all the necessaries already in place.
- I will post the "how wikipedia works" thing that explains content policies etc in a bit, after I move the article.... Jytdog (talk) 16:10, 10 June 2016 (UTC)
- OK it is moved to Draft:Optical Science Center for Applied Research and it now has the AfC box. When you are ready, just click the blue button in that box and it will tell reviewers to come check it out. You have a ways to go! Jytdog (talk) 16:14, 10 June 2016 (UTC)
How this place works
OK, this will get you oriented to how this place works, and to the key policies and guidelines. It is as brief as I can make it...
The first thing, is that our mission is to produce articles that provide readers with encyclopedia content that summarize accepted knowledge, and to do that as a community that anyone can be a part of. That's the mission. As you can imagine, if this place had no norms, it would be a Mad Max kind of world interpersonally, and content would be a slag heap (the quality is really bad in parts, despite our best efforts). But over the past 15 years the community has developed a whole slew of norms, via lots of discussion. One of the first, is that we decide things by consensus. That decision itself, is recorded here: WP:CONSENSUS, which is one of our "policies". And when we decide things by consensus, that is not just local in space and time, but includes meta-discussions that have happened in the past. The results of those past meta-discussions are the norms that we follow now. We call them policies and guidelines - and these documents all reside in "Wikipedia space" (There is a whole forest of documents in "Wikipedia space" - pages in Wikipedia that start with "Wikipedia:AAAA" or for short, "WP:AAAA". WP:CONSENSUS is different from Consensus.)
People have tried to define Wikipedia - is it a democracy, an anarchy, secret cabal? In fact it is a clue-ocracy (that link is to a very short and important text).
There are policies and guidelines that govern content, and separate ones that govern behavior. Here is a very quick rundown:
- Content policies and guidelines
- WP:NOT (what WP is, and is not -- this is where you'll find the "accepted knowledge" thing. You will also find discussion of how WP is not a catalog, not a how-to manual, not a vehicle for promotion, etc)
- WP:OR - no original research is allowed here, instead
- WP:VERIFY - everything has to be cited to a reliable source (so everything in WP comes down to the sources you bring!)
- WP:RS is the guideline defining what a "reliable source" is for general content and WP:MEDRS defines what reliable sourcing is for content about health
- WP:NPOV and the content that gets written, needs to be "neutral" (as we define that here, which doesn't mean what most folks think -- it doesn't mean "fair and balanced" - it means that the language has to be neutral, and that topics in a given article are given appropriate "weight" (space and emphasis). An article about a drug that was 90% about side effects, would generally give what we call "undue weight" to the side effects. Of course if that drug was important because it killed a lot of people, not having 90% of it be about the side effects would not be neutral) We determine weight by seeing what the reliable sources say - we follow them in this too. So again, you can see how everything comes down to references.
- WP:BLP - this is a policy specifically covering discussion about living people anywhere in WP. We are very careful about such content (which means enforcing the policies and guidelines above rigorously), since issues of legal liability can arise for WP, and people have very strong feelings about other people, and about public descriptions of themselves.
- WP:NOTABILITY - this is a policy that defines whether or not an article about X, should exist. What this comes down to is defined in WP:Golden rule - which is basically, are there enough independent sources about X, with which to build a decent article.
- WP:DELETION discusses how we get rid of articles that fail notability.
- In terms of behavior, the key norms are
- WP:CONSENSUS - already discussed
- WP:CIVIL - basically, be nice. This is not about being nicey nice, it is really about not being a jerk and having that get in the way of getting things done. We want to get things done here - get content written and maintained and not get hung up on interpersonal disputes. So just try to avoid doing things that create unproductive friction.
- WP:AGF - assume good faith about other editors. Try to focus on content, not contributor. Don't personalize it when content disputes arise. (the anonymity here can breed all kinds of paranoia)
- WP:HARASSMENT - really, don't be a jerk and follow people around, bothering them. And do not try to figure out who people are in the real world. Privacy is strictly protected by the WP:OUTING part of this policy.
- WP:DR - if you get into an content dispute with someone, try to work it out on the article Talk page. Don't WP:EDITWAR. If you cannot work it out locally, then use one of the methods here to get wider input. There are many - it never has to come down to two people arguing. There are instructions here too, about what to do if someone is behaving badly, in your view. Try to keep content disputes separate from behavior disputes. Many of the big messes that happen in Wikipedia arise from these getting mixed up.
- WP:COI and WP:PAID which I discussed way above already. This is about preserving the integrity of WP. A closely related issue is WP:ADVOCACY; COI is just a subset of advocacy.
- WP:TPG - this is about how to talk to other editors on Talk pages, like this one, or say Talk:Noureddine Melikechi. At article talk pages, basically be concise, discuss content not contributors, and base discussion on the sources in light of policies and guidelines, not just your opinions or feelings. At user talk pages things are more open, but that is the relevant place to go if you want to discuss someone's behavior or talk about general WP stuff - like this whole post.
If you can get all that (the content and behavior policies and guidelines) under your belt, you will become truly "clueful", as we say. If that is where you want to go, of course. I know that was a lot of information, but hopefully it is digestable enough.
If you want to create an article, here is what to do.
- look for independent sources that comply with WP:MEDRS for anything related to health, and WP:RS for everything else, that give serious discussion to the topic, not just passing mentions. Start with great sources.
- Look at the sources you found, and see if you have enough per WP:Golden rule to even go forward. If you don't, you can stop right there. (you need three or four, at least - if all you have are WP:SPS it is not going to fly)
- Read the sources you found, and identify the main and minor themes to guide you with regard to WP:WEIGHT - be wary of distortions in weight due to WP:RECENTISM
- Go look at manual of style guideline created by the relevant WikiProject, to guide the sectioning and other style matters (you can look at articles on similar topics but be ginger b/c WP has lots of bad content) - create an outline. (For example, for biographies, the relevant project is WP:WikiProject Biography) (For example, for companies, the relevant project is Wikipedia:WikiProject_Companies/Guidelines)
- Create the article following the process described at articles for creation for your first few articles.
- Start writing the body, based only on what is in the sources you have, and provide an inline citation for each sentence as you go.
- Make sure you write in neutral language. The most rigorous way to do this is to use no adjectives at your first go-round and add them back only as needed.
- When you are done, write the lead and add infobox, external links, categories, etc
- Consider adding banners to the Talk page, joining the draft article to relevant Wikiprojects, which will help attract editors who are interested and knowledgeable to help work on the article. If you have a COI for the article, note it there.
- The completed work should have nothing unsourced (because the sources drove everything you wrote, not prior knowledge or personal experiences or what the client wanted; there is no original research nor WP:PROMO in it.
- Submit your article for review by clicking the "submit your draft" button that was set up when you created the article. You will get responses from reviewers, and you can work with them to do whatever is needed to get the article ready to be published.
There you go! Let me know if you have questions about any of that
Again that was a lot, but the goal is to get you somewhat oriented. Jytdog (talk) 16:18, 10 June 2016 (UTC)
archiving bot
Your talk page is getting really long, so I set you up with an "archiving bot". Anything older than 21 days will get swept off this page and put in an archive page, which should keep this page a reasonable length. If you don't want it, just revert this edit of mine. Jytdog (talk) 16:20, 10 June 2016 (UTC)
Image
You claim the image you uploaded here is your own work but it is all over the internet, for example here. Please fix the data at the upload page. Thanks. Jytdog (talk) 23:04, 20 September 2016 (UTC)
My photo is all over the internet because I have provided it to organizations within the optics and science communities through various channels. I will admit I am having trouble citing photos I take because I can't seem to give the photos the proper data that will not result in removal of my photos but if you can suggest what I am doing wrong, I am more than open to learn and follow correct protocol. However, I did in fact take this photo and all others I plan to add to the Commons. Thanks "JCalzado (talk) 12:46, 21 September 2016 (UTC)"
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