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Wikipedia:WikiProject Newfoundland and Labrador

Welcome aboard, great to see another Wikipedian with interest in the creation and refinement of articles pertaining to Newfoundland and Labrador. I look forward to working with you. If I can be of help to you at any time please don't hesitate to drop me a line. I would very much like to collaborate on articles of mutual interest. HJKeats 16:42, 10 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I look forward to it! :) Iainsona 03:42, 12 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Newfoundland's Time Zone

Hello Mícheál; I hope that you can make it here to my invitation so that I may learn of my errors. For our convenience, I've copied the paragraph as it was left at various times :

The paragraph as I'd left it just before HJKeats deleted it altogether (13:38, 10 August 2006):

Newfoundland has its own time zone (NST being UTC-3:30), one half hour ahead of the three other maritime Canadian provinces (AST being UTC-4) and 1.5 hours ahead of the East Coast of the U.S. (EST being UTC-5); it follows daylight time during the summer on the same schedule as throughout most of Canada (principle but not only exception being Saskatchewan).

The paragraph after the first time I fiddled with it (07:14, 8 August 2006 — 3h after I started editting in Wikipedia) :

Newfoundland has its own time zone, one half hour ahead of the three other maritime Canadian provinces and 1.5 hours ahead of the East Coast of the U.S.; it follows daylight time during the summer on the same schedule as throughout most of Canada.

The paragraph before I touched it originally (until 02:02, 7 August 2006 edit):

Newfoundland has its own time zone, set apart from the North American East Coast by one half hour, instead of the traditional one hour difference.

Your version (06:15, 10 August 2006 ):

Newfoundland has its own time zone, set apart from the nearest part of the North American East Coast (Atlantic Time) by one half hour, instead of the usual one hour time zone difference.

Apart from using 'other maritime' to refer to the fact that, although Newfoundland isn't in the Maritime Provinces of Canada club (due to staying out of confederation for 82 years), it's still maritime and your obvious objection to the word 'ahead', replacing it with the vague 'set apart' as if it were an object of desire, what other problems do you see in my paragraph?

While I wait for your answer, I would elaborate on my objections to your edit:

'Ahead' and 'behind' are used in standard English throughout the world to discuss the number of hours — or part thereof — in difference between one time zone and another. 'Set apart' would be met with looks of confusion and concern. "Indian time (UTC+5:30) is set apart from Pakistani time (UTC+5) by one half hour" wouldn't fly, in my humble opinion. In which direction is it 'set apart'?
The North American East Coast is a lot more than 3 little Canadian provinces. Atlantic Time is as much an oddity as Newfoundland time, being east of Eastern Standard Time. To make the reference most applicable to the greatest number of people, a reference to Eastern Time makes more sense. Could just as easily say that it's a half-hour behind St. Pierre time as that reference would appeal to readers in metropolitan France.
The usage of the word 'usual' when there are so many 30min time zones in the world (NT&SA, Australia:UTC+9:30, India:UTC+5:30, Afghanistan:UTC+4:30, Iran:UTC+3:30 and for smaller jurisdictions such as Norfolk Island, Aus.:UTC+11:30, Cocos Islands:UTC+6:30, and the Marquesas Islands:UTC-9:30). With India and Sri Lanka in the mix with their more than 1 billion people, that makes for a huge chunk of the world's population that lives in a half-hour time zone.

The truly unusual time zones are Nepal and the Chatham Islands which are 45 minute time zones and they're the only two in the world so far as I know (see http://www.worldtimezone.net).

Response

Hey Iainsona, thanks for the reply and explanation. I'm really sorry if the note i left seemed like I was just blanketing your statement as completely incorrect. I just meant to say I changed it because it contained an error and I didn't know if I should point out the error there or just change it.

I have no idea why I used 'set apart' when I changed it-I think I just looked at the way it was before and tried to use similar language-I agree with you that using ahead and behind sounds better when you are speaking about time difference, so my apologies on that front.

Indeed the mistake I was referring to was the 'other maritime provinces' statement. Like you said, Newfoundland isn't a member of the grouping 'Maritime Provinces'-and saying that it's a 'maritime' province just because it's on the ocean doesn't fly either, not just because the term means something other than that in general Canadian geographic useage but because if you're using that as the definition than there aren't three 'other' maritime provinces there are at least 4 (Quebec) and actually even 5 if you want to get technical (B.C.).

As for "The North American East Coast is a lot more than 3 little Canadian provinces". I'd just point out that nowhere did I say or intend to say anything like this, I just pointed out that the time of the "CLOSEST" part of the North American East coast was a half an hour earlier, by which I was referring to N.B./P.E.I./Nova Scotia, Labrador, and the part of Quebec which uses Atlantic time.

I actually agree with your point about making the reference refer to Eastern time as opposed to Atlantic so that it applies to the greatest number of people-that completely makes sense, and you could probably even just say "the bulk of the east of North America" to refer to the portion of the continent which is on Eastern time. I disagree with your statement, however, that "Atlantic Time is as much an oddity as Newfoundland time, being east of Eastern Standard Time." I don't think the original person who wrote that was saying that Newfoundland time was an oddity simply because it was east of Eastern Standard Time, I think the purpose was to point out that it is the only place on the continent where the time zone shifts by a 1/2 an hour instead of a full hour from the one next to it. I think it should say that it is 'unusual in North America' perhaps? This would solve the conflict with, as you pointed out, the fact that there are other examples of 1/2 hour changes in time zones throughout the world and even examples of 45 minute changes. Like I said, I don't think the original writer was intending to say that Newfoundland's time zone was unique in the entire world, just that it was relatively unusual especially in the North American context?

Let me know what you think-good work all around though-and always good to talk to a fellow Newfoundlander, cheers mate. Mícheál 05:33, 14 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the input, and duly noted, especially my obvious omission of Québec and B.C. as 'maritime' provinces in the usage of 'other maritime'. Deletion of 'other' and capitalization of 'Maritime' would have worked just as well too. I'll read your response over again with a fine tooth comb in the morning. For now, I have to hit the sack. Iainsona 05:42, 14 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Daylight savings

Hi, an interesting fact from John Anderson article is the fact that Newfoundland was the first jurisdiction in North America to adopt Daylight savings time. With some work we could collaborate on an article along the lines of the Act passed in 1917 establishing the fact and have it entered in DYK. HJKeats 13:20, 12 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

1. ... and, as you suggested at the Talk:Newfoundland, pairing that with a paragraph or two on North America's asinine attempt at double daylight savings time and making Newfoundland the guinea pig ...

2. I'm thinking too that other jurisdictions (France (including St. Pierre et Miquelon), Spain, Belgium, and the Netherlands) being 1h or more ahead (in the case of Galicia in western Spain especially) of their solar times might fit into the double daylight savings time as well; their standard times are equivalent to our daylight time (sun directly overhead at about 1pm) and their summer daylight time is equivalent to our failed attempt at double daylight savings time (sun directly overhead at about 2pm).

3. What's DYK? Iainsona 13:37, 12 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

DYK is an acronym for Did You Know of the main section on the Wikipedia home page. New articles only qualify and it usually denotes an interesting fact that draws attention to it. It has to 5 days or less to qualify and an article of fairly good quality. It will spend a few hours on the main page and it usually attracts a bit of attention when other users will pitch in and lend a hand to embellishing the article. I have started the article, you may add to it as you wish. HJKeats 13:52, 12 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

URGH ... I was just thinking about getting up and leaving the computer! :) Well, I suppose there are worse things that I could be 'wasting' my time on! :) <Humming a few bars from the hymn 'Yield not to Temptation'> :) Iainsona 13:57, 12 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Excellent input, appreciate your help with this article. HJKeats 14:43, 12 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

That's all I can do for today. I've been fading fast for quite a while. I'll be talking about pink elephants in itsy-witsy, teeny-weeny yellow polka dot bikinis stepping on Flying Purple People Eaters if I don't take some respite. See you soon. Iainsona 16:00, 12 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Daylight Savings Act of 1917

Hi, I believe the article is good to go. It would be great if we had a picture of John Anderson, I'm afraid it may be impossible to get it in before we nominate it for DYK. There is a picture of him at CNS and I have spoken with the curator there and she has no problem with using any of the photographs at CNS for Wikipedia articles, just that I won't be able to make it there for a few days. The correct bill name is Daylight Saving Act (8 Geo. V,c. 9), no s. Shall I leave it to you to nominate it for DYK? HJKeats 21:42, 13 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Should we move the article to Daylight Saving Act of 1917 first? The QEII library isn't open on Sundays but I should be able to pop by there tomorrow. You wouldn't by any chance have taken the name of the lady with whom you spoke? Or would I just say "A friend of mine had been talking with someone here and ..." Iainsona 21:47, 13 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Also, I have no idea how to nominate an article for DYK 'though I 'spose it won't be too difficult to figure out ... :) Iainsona 21:48, 13 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Nominated for DYK. I'm leaving the 'puter now and on my way to my parents. Edit with you tomorrow. Iainsona 22:08, 13 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I had spoken with both Joan Ritcey and Bert Riggs. Joan is the curator and she had suggested that I bring a digital camera as what most students do during research. You may mention my name, Hayward Keats and I spoke with her about two weeks ago, maybe three. I had suggested that any digital data I use would be credited to CNS and its source. They have a number of photographs already scanned in, but for those they don't she suggested the digital camera as an option. HJKeats 22:20, 13 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Noted. I'll bring my digital camera. I'm headed on the door now ... finally! Iainsona 22:24, 13 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Brought my digital camera. Saw the pictures of John Anderson. And ... wuhaha: I'd left the digital camera's battery back home charging! :P Kinda hard to take a photo. I took some photocopies and will try them to see how they photograph but the quality will be much less, obviously. None of the pictures I saw were of high quality anyway; after all, they are quite old. Photocopying doesn't improve matters though! :) Iainsona 18:54, 14 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Things keep coming up — distracting me I mean — and I haven't pointed the camera at the phoocopies yet even. I won't get a chance to go in to the CNS today to point the camera at the originals either. All the pictures are pretty grainy anyway. I'm planning to go out of town tomorrow morning so I won't get another chance to go to the CNS 'til Monday the 21st. The QEII and the CNS close every weekday during this time between semesters at 4:15pm and is closed on the weekends. I'm about to head in to my borrowed office (I'm not important enough to have my own permanent office :) ) to tutor English pronunciation. I'll probably not write any more messages 'til Monday. I haven't even gone through Michael's message above (re: Newfoundland time zone paragraph) with a fine-tooth comb yet which is something which I promised that I'd do! Iainsona 17:19, 15 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

DYK

On 13 August, 2006, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Daylight Saving Act of 1917, which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

Great article. Thanks for the nomination. Great start here and I look forward to more DYKs. Cheers -- Samir धर्म 23:45, 13 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I have to admit that I never thought 6 days ago when I joined Wikipedia that I would have been collaborating on a article that earned a place on the main page, let alone so soon. Very cool ... and many thanks to Hayward for affording me the opportunity to do so. Iainsona 03:55, 14 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

SS Newfoundland and SS Viking

I see you have done some work on the SS Newfoundland. Not sure where your interest lies on this article, it does have a tremendous history and a great story to tell. The article could use some extra TLC to bring it up to Wikipedia standards. Are you up for it? This article may not make it to DYK as it is an older article, it may spawn some interesting facts for a future article though....

On another note: There is an interesting fact from the SS Viking, Varick Frissell and the movie that was created from it White Thunder. The article for White Thunder is not created yet, I was waiting to establish articles that it will reference before the article is created. It has a unique factoid in that it was the worst disaster for a Hollywood film from the lost of life. There, we could possibly have a couple of articles to work on. Your thoughts.... HJKeats 13:33, 14 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'll have to pass for this coming week. I have to try to take my focus AWAY from the computer screen and towards preparing to go out of town on Wednesday. Perhaps next week though. I just created an article, Newfoundland in Fiction and tidied up the Newfoundland (disambiguation) page. The fiction page should be able to get quite long quite fast ... was trying to figure out which stub reference to use for it. Iainsona 13:37, 14 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Your opinion

Hi, I really can't comment on your treatment of other Wikipedian's. Some people are passionate about their opinions and to convey that passion in text, there simply just isn't any warmth to it and a simple disagreement can get out-of-hand. I have not read the text of your discussion and therefore unable to comment fully. IMHO, a healthy discussion is always welcome, as long as the discussion is about the topic at hand. I'm not an admin of Wikipedia, someday maybe, but for now I just like writing articles about NL. HJKeats 17:22, 14 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I knew that you weren't an admin; I was just looking for guidance from a more seasoned Wikipedian as to my conduct and if it were truly incorrect, then my behavior should be reported so that I might be corrected to know better next time. Anyway ... it's all good. Going to an admin for advice would seem to be the next step but I'm not certain that it's necessary. The discussion, so far as I can tell, is ended. Iainsona 18:51, 14 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Iainsona, you may want to take a minute and consider the effect that your statements could reasonably be expected to have a negative effect on the tone of any conversation: "Seeing as how the word 'youths' is absent from your … vocabularies, I would posit that your dialects are non-standard ones and that you have not yet made the leap on this particular word to standard English usage. … I didn't expect to have to give a lecture on count nouns vs. mass nouns and how to construct an English sentence phrase by phrase." As a non-participant I read this as condescending.

This medium is very, very content-poor with respect to emotion, and if someone can mis-read you they will. It can take great care, and more time than one expects, to effectively get across what one intends. Like: "Iainsona, it's obvious that you have a lot to contribute, had a good point, and I'm sure you never intended offense. Unfortunately it didn't come out that way this time. I'm looking forward to your contributions in the future. 'Keep your stick on the ice'. Ciao, MARussellPESE 21:37, 14 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Input duly noted; mind you the first insulting remark in the thread, which I let wash off me with a simple, calm rebuttal was a comment by Jeff3000: "Plus I have never heard anyone say youths except people whose mother tongue is not English." This could be taken, out of context I'm sure, as being very hoity-toity: just because I've never heard it, it doesn't exist. I let it wash off me and fully expected that a similar, watered-down remark of the same type from myself would be taken with the same adult reaction. Plus the sentence of mine which you quote and which Jeff3000 quoted uses the word "posit," takes as a premise the clearly established fact that "youths" is an incorrect usage for Jeff & Cuñado coupled with the clearly shown evidence that it exists in standard English and hypothesizes that they probably speak a non-standard — or you could call post-standard — dialect in which "youths" has now entirely disappeared from common usage. Without the word "posit," it could be very insulting but the word "posit" states quite clearly that this is my humble opinion — a hypothesis — and could very easily be wrong, in stark contrast to the very final, very non-compromising "I have never heard anyone say youths except people whose mother tongue is not English." The arguments I made are being ignored because a person is feeling offence that, though they make lots of grammatical corrections, they might be wrong in one measly instance. Humility — a word invoked by Jeff3000 — is in short supply all around it would seem. Iainsona 02:12, 15 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Enjoy your Trip

Hi, Don't worry about anything, we have plenty of time to capture pictures and collaborate on more articles. Your parents live in Mt. Pearl, I live in Southlands. I would like to meet you sometime. HJKeats 02:26, 16 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds like a plan. :) Don't get me started about Southlands though! :D (I kid, of course, but on some level, having grown up in Mount Pearl, I feel that Southlands should still be part of Mount Pearl) :P See you perhaps, then, when I get back. Iainsona 03:57, 16 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Re: Alláh-u-abhá and peace

Hi, I guess we started on the wrong foot, and that's not good, especially since we need all the more good editors for the Baha'i articles to make them better and well-cited. So I'm sorry as well.

As for the Basque Country, I've been working on disambiguation, and the Basque Country was near the top of the list, and so I took it up. I was not totally familiar with the issue so I did quite a lot of reading, and looked at the history of the pages to understand what the issues were with it, and I'm now somewhat more familiar with it. Regards, -- Jeff3000 03:13, 16 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thought that I wouldn't be back here before Monday ... but you know how addictive this thing is; I had to check it again before I went to bed. I'm about to go on Wikipedia withdrawl. I can feel it already setting in ...

The Basque Country is a beautiful part of the world. I went to a Bahá'í Youth Gathering there in July 1995; it was held in a little hamlet called Bardos. We did a door-to-door pamphlet campaign in the Biarritz-Anglet-Bayonne midregion where you'd cross from one community into another and then back into the first community and then into the third. There was a talk and a dance ... and I got to know so many of the youth from around metropolitan France and 1 each from French Guiana, Switzerland, Egypt and Burkina Faso. With me it made for a total of five countries represented and one French overseas territory. It was one half the group doing the direct teaching (we gave the pamphlet directly to people at the beaches as well) and pamphlet campaign. The other half of the group did a service project clean-up at a nearby castle. I remember it fondly and it was the reason why I requested to be placed in or near the Basque Country when I applied for a job with fr:CIEP. I loved my time there and took the train to Bayonne for almost every Feast, meaning that I had to stay overnight at one of the Friend's houses 'cause the last train from Bayonne to Orthez left about the time that the Feasts would start. Other times I stayed closer to home at a Bahá'í Friend's in Peyrehorade but they were but one family. It's a beautiful region and, now that you know a little bit more about it, for quite a random reason, I'd recommend you visit. I could easily put you in touch with the local Bahá'ís and other locals. Iainsona 04:10, 16 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hello

I was wondering what happened to you? You went on vacation, and then disappeared. Glad to see that you're still ok. -- Jeff3000 00:40, 21 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yah ... apologies ...

School then hit me hard and I tried to find the page where I'd got the vacation template to put another one up that I was taking a Wikibreak for school but I couldn't remember where I'd gotten it and for some reason I'd forgotten to bookmark it ... hopefully I'll be back at Wiki in the near future. Iainsona 14:25, 4 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Basque Portal?

Kaixo, I'm contacting you because you figure in Category:User eu, meaning that you speak some Basque. You must therefore be Basque yourself or have an intense connection with the Basque Country.

I am thinking that maybe was a good idea to create a Portal (or maybe a Wikiproject? or both?) on the Basque theme but I feel such kind of project requires more than just one person.

If you are interested, please comment in my talk page.

Enjoy, --Sugaar 10:19, 4 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

My Basque is severely limited

I visited the Basque country in 1995 and attended a Bahá'í youth gathering there, in Bardos. When I applied to CIEP to go to be an English assistant in France, I requested to be in or near the Basque Country and they gave me Orthez in Béarn which is pretty much spitting distance from the Basque border. Almost every weekend I was in Baiona or Donostia visiting friends and more rarely in other locations. One of my cats is names "Donos" [dono∫]for Donostia. I have to find a better 'esh' than the integral sign ...

Ternua bisi naiz. Ni Euskalduna ez naiz. Barkatu ... The place where I live — Newfoundland (Ternua) — also has a long connection to the Basque Country along with other countries of sea-faring peoples. Red Bay in Labrador is the site of a 16th century whaling station and there was a Basque delegation here recently celebrating this connection ... and there's a recreated chalupa in the museum there not to mention real ones on the bottom of Red Bay itself, preserved since the 16th century. The port from which we embark to go to mainland Canada is called "Port-aux-Basques" [pordəbǽsk]. Also, just off the coast of the western tip of the Burin Peninsula of Newfoundland, there are two tiny French islands : St. Pierre and Miquelon (not to mention Langlade which English speakers usually consider to be part of Miquelon) where ethnically (i.e. genetically) the people are something like 60 or 70% Basque though no one there speaks Euskara nowadays, and probably not for several centuries. Their flag includes the Basque flag, however, so they are acutely aware of this heritage. I'm not very active at Wikipedia of late so would not be a good partner in creating and maintaining any portal but I must thank-you for asking. Iainsona 14:55, 4 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Never mind. I'm just asking people and obviously many won't be interested or won't be able to take part.

Definitively Basque presence in Newfoundland would be in the scope of such project.

Naturally, you don't need to speak Basque, just that I used that category as a resource to search for people who might be interested. If you speak some Basque you probably are somehow interested in Basque theme.

I've used St. Pierre & Miquelon flag/suppossed citizenship at times in forums, as for some strange reason islands have it easier when it come to be recognized as separate entities and found quite cool that they have the ikurriña.

Enjoy,

--Sugaar 15:56, 4 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Commons Photos

I have just spend one weeks vacation on the west coast of Newfoundland and photographed quite a bit of the small coastal towns, post offices, lakes and Long Range Mountains. I have started adding the photos to the article List of communities in Newfoundland and Labrador, you can link there from our Wiki article by the same name. I will be adding more later and feel free to use them while expanding the communities articles WayneRay 14:16, 14 August 2007 (UTC)WayneRay[reply]

Thanks for that

I've been living in China for the past year and have not had access to wikipedia very often. I was surprised today when I accidentally clicked on a wikipedia link and it opened. The last time that I had access to wikipedia at all was back in June or July 2007. Hopefully it continues! You've probably mostly finished your project by now but I'll have a look at sometime in the near future if this access continues! :-) Iainsona (talk) 13:33, 24 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Almost every piece of information in the article can be found on the back of any (or at least one) of her books or in the cover folds ... and the books are already mentioned; when I'm back in Canada with access to the books, I'll check it out. Iainsona (talk) 18:20, 13 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Articles for deletion nomination of Newfoundland in fiction

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Clark Donnelly

Hi Iain, the religious affiliation of the source, subject and/or writer has nothing to do with the copyright status of the page. The wording of Donnelly's page was the exact same as the source, which is considered a copyright violation. Although information is not copyrightable, the way we express it is. So, for example, "Clark Donnelly co-founded WestWind Pictures in 1989, leaving a post as vice-president of Regina’s CKCK Television where he had worked for fifteen years" can be rephrased as "Clark Donnelly is a Canadian producer and businessman who co-founded WestWind Pictures in 1989." then, in another paragraph (perhaps in the body) "For fifteen years he worked as vice-president of CKCK Television in Regina, Saskatchewan". — Crisco 1492 (talk) 09:02, 17 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Uhm ... in the real world, it's called a long, direct quotation, not copyright infringement. Giving the source also eliminates any accusation of plagiarism. I know that wikipedia requires no original research but I've never heard of the paraphrasing requirement. Could you please direct me to this rule? Otherwise, I will reinstate the page per the words on http://www.bahainews.ca/en/people/darling_donnelly ... also if the wording offends you as copyright infringement, how about next time you edit the article instead of causing it to be deleted? Iainsona (talk) 16:49, 17 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Okay ... admittedly in the copyright page you directed me to, it does seem to say that, but did you ask Canadian Baha'i News first and have them consider the situation? Seeing as it is the words from their website article? At the time I added Mary Darling and Clark Donnelly as articles and editted a bit of the Westwind Pictures article, I really didn't have much time to be doing much of anything on wikipedia; when I'm doing research and I find some sort of error like WestWind Pictures link to Mary Darling linking to Peter Pan because of a Mary Darling article that automatically links to Peter Pan because that's the name of one of the fictional characters therein, I tend to do a tiny bit of editting. Please reinstate the article and change the wording however you like. Thank-you. Iainsona (talk) 16:58, 17 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I have just now written an e-mail to the publisher directly to see what they think of the usage of the exact text with wikipedia markups added. Perhaps they will be agreement with you. Perhaps not. It seems to be something which affects them the most, however. I hope that you are in a position to simply reverse the deletion if they are in favour of it being here. Iainsona (talk) 17:23, 17 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The response :

21 February 2013 / 15 Dominion 169

Dear Friend,

You have our permission to quote the text about Clark Donnelly from the Canadian Bahá’í News Service Web site < http://www.bahainews.ca/en/people/darling_donnelly >, provided that the source is credited, as you suggest in your correspondence with a Wikipedia Web administrator.

Should you need any further assistance, please do not hesitate to contact us.

Warmest greetings,

Office of External Affairs Bahá’í Community of Canada

Hence, Crisco1492, please reverse the deletion of the Clark Donnelly file. Iainsona (talk) 19:38, 21 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Iainsona, sadly I can't restore it based on what you have here. However, this is a very promising step forward. They can follow the steps here to donate properly. Essentially, if someone from the Baha'i office would like to donate text, they can either post a CC-BY-SA notification on the page in question or send an email from the office to permissions-en@wikimedia.org which explicitly states what license they are releasing the text under. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 22:29, 21 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Extra note

I've added a link in the article Mary Darling to the Peter Pan character so there will be nothing lost by deleting the disambiguation page. Cheers, Pichpich (talk) 03:39, 26 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Perfect; I had considered doing that but it seemed odd to me. Glad someone else did it. Thanks. Iainsona (talk) 22:27, 28 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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