User talk:HighInBC/Archive 74

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Block evading IP

In response to your close of the Ricky discussion at ANI:

Do you mind if I ping you as I see that block evading IP floating around? I wasn't aware they had been blocked, but they've made extremely POINTy contributions across multiple IPs for quite a while, and it would be helpful if they were timely blocked as they continue doing so. ~ Rob^Talk 16:13, 6 April 2016 (UTC)

Yes to a point. I don't want to play whack-a-mole all day long but I will certainly help in specific cases of disruption. Also if a particular page is being targeted semi-protection may be more effective. This person seems to have plenty of IPs. HighInBC 16:15, 6 April 2016 (UTC)

The issue I've run into with this IP user is that they sometimes go on sprees of POINTy votes at MfD, where they literally go down the list and vote "Keep" to every single page. This is likely to confuse any closing admins who aren't aware of the disruption/block evasion. I'll restrict my requests to only those that involve such sprees of disruption. Thanks! ~ Rob^Talk 16:28, 6 April 2016 (UTC)

Such votes can be removed with the edit summary "removing comment by block evading user", if you are confident it is the same person which sounds easy enough considering their patterns. HighInBC 16:30, 6 April 2016 (UTC)

Given the contention in the area, I really shouldn't be doing that until a somewhat uninvolved administrator makes the determination that it's really a sock. No sense throwing fuel on the fire when there are alternatives. I've been trying my best to calm things down at MfD and reach some compromises, but little things set people off. ~ Rob^Talk 16:33, 6 April 2016 (UTC)

I think you are on pretty safe ground, our sock puppet policy says "Undisclosed alternative accounts are not to be used in discussions internal to the project", and it is very clear this person has a history here. If a user in good standing restores it don't edit war, but I seriously doubt you will get in an trouble for removing and IP vote of a blocked user in a deletion discussion. HighInBC 16:37, 6 April 2016 (UTC)

Apologies, I ust did almost exactly that on this page (relatively harmless though it was) in that precise belief- not having spotted your discussion. _Fortuna ^{Imperatrix Mundi} 17:44, 6 April 2016 (UTC)

DRV comment

Thank you for your coherent and on point reply. I haven't been getting a lot of that during this matter. Though I mostly disagree, I would be fine with "we should be adding this new idea to [the guideline]" as long as community consensus supported it (but I don't believe it does or would). I would have replied at the DRV, but that thread is long enough without this comment that is rather off topic to a certain extent. Best Regards,—Godsy^(TALK_CONT) 03:46, 7 April 2016 (UTC)

I fear that a consensus either way is unlikely to form without a fair bit of discussion. I am interested to see how this will turn out. HighInBC 04:19, 7 April 2016 (UTC)

Gadri

Just a heads up that I was able to create the Gadri article just now (moving somebody's Gadri:- title) despite you noting "[Create=Allow only administrators]" in the protection log earlier today. I'm not an administrator. --McGeddon (talk) 18:21, 7 April 2016 (UTC)

Are you sure? Because I am not seeing any edits since I protected it. HighInBC 01:39, 8 April 2016 (UTC)

It got speedy deleted after I posted that, the log shows a deletion at 19:47. The article seems to be properly protected now, though - testing it, I can't move another article to that title. --McGeddon (talk) 08:40, 8 April 2016 (UTC)

Huh, just one of those things I guess. HighInBC 13:58, 8 April 2016 (UTC)

Block evasion at ANI

Hi there, I just hastily removed a thread posted by banned editor Fangusu at WP:ANI without realizing that you had already marked her comment "closed". Apologies. My preference is to remove her persistent sockpuppetry rather than archive it, but please feel free to restore the thread if you like. It's fairly likely she'll come back with another IP and restore the post before the day is out anyway, it's one of her patterns: it might be about you this time instead of Steel1943, or about me, or all of us. Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 16:11, 8 April 2016 (UTC)

That is fine, I don't mind. HighInBC 20:29, 8 April 2016 (UTC)

Re: A barnstar for you!

Thanks! It seems to never end. The vast number of accounts feels more like I'm fighting Sentinels from The Matrix instead of Skynet. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 05:31, 10 April 2016 (UTC)

Ah The Matrix, a fine bit of science fiction. A real shame they made sequels. HighInBC 14:42, 10 April 2016 (UTC)

Sequels? What sequels? The Matrix was a standalone movie! LALALA NOT LISTENING. ~ Rob^Talk 14:56, 10 April 2016 (UTC)

Only in a better world. HighInBC 15:07, 10 April 2016 (UTC)

Thewolfchild and MOS:JR

Resolved

 – Spartaz dealt with it.

Any ideas on what to do about this? Maybe just some kind of additional administrative word-to-the-wise? Thewolfchild has a quite substantial block log [1] (including two indefs) for civility problems (two recently for that, by you and Berean Hunter, plus two recently for editwarring, by Swarm and MSGJ), and has also been warned for incivility by Joy [lost the diff] and by Liz [2]. Not sure who to approach as the "parole officer", but you were the most recent admin to block for incivility reasons (and he's also still editwarring, in multiple places).

His incivility level and tendentiousness are increasing, not decreasing (see especially 2nd post here making snide "dick" puns about Dicklyon – it's a word Twc likes to uses as a slur [3] now that he can't get away with "prick" any longer [wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive816#Ongoing_harassment_of_administrator_by_editor]). This is after also receiving a {{Ds/alert|at}} (pertaining explicitly to WP:ARBATC#All parties reminded), and after RGloucester also warned him about WP:ASPERSION-casting (for these [4] [5] strings of accusations without evidence) at the RM discussion at Talk:USS Frank E. Petersen Jr.#Requested move 7 April 2016, and editwarring and other shenanigans there, like source falsification. I've not gone through Twc's edits recently on other pages, but I'm skeptical it's any more civil.

Thewolfchild in particular (among three other also-tendentious parties on same topic) is forum shopping his opposition to the result and implementation of the well-advertised and well-sourced 2016 Village Pump RfC on MOS:JR. First with essentially an "anti-RfC" at WT:MOSBIO, then a bogus WP:ANI complaint against Dicklyon, which did not go Twc's way and about which he received a possibly too-subtle administrative warning from Spartaz [6]. MSGJ also had to protect the USS Frank E. Petersen Jr. page to stop Twc from editwarring to keep performing a clumsy copy-paste move, and MSGJ expressed concerns about the torrent of argument over the punctuation matter at the article's talk page. It should simply be an orderly RM, but Twc is WP:BLUDGEONing it, and many other related discussions, with the same WP:IDHT pattern of recycling already-refuted arguments and mischaracterizing what WP:P&G actually say (e.g. here). As noted in previous ANI theads, he revertwars against any refactoring, even when his list-formatted bludgeons make it hard to tell his outdented lists apart from others' individual comments (see history of same ship-article talk page), and has received admin warnings about anti-refactor editowarring before [7]. He also nukes everything off his talk page instantly, with rude remarks, and thinks he can "ban" everyone from posting there; this block appears to be related to this behavior at least in part.

I'm not really sure what to do about this escalating pattern other than a WP:AE request (for which I'm mostly done gathering sufficient evidence diffs, in case this is necessary), but it's an awful lot of drama over a simple punctuation matter, and I'm skeptical that AE admins want yet another ARBATC dispute in front of them. For all I know, AE would say "take it to RFARB", an even bigger drama festival and productivity drain. Maybe just a "knock it off" notice will suffice, though discretionary sanctions apply for anything after 08:49, 10 April 2016 (UTC) [8].
 — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽^ʌⱷ҅_ᴥⱷ^ʌ≼  07:11, 11 April 2016 (UTC)

• It continues to escalate [9]: Various unsupported accusations of: conspiracy, gaming, editwarring, "disingenuous comments" (lying), hypocrisy, disruption, and other bad faith, "your mucky paw prints", etc. Is this just WP:AC/DS actionable, or do I really need to go the AE route?  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽^ʌⱷ҅_ᴥⱷ^ʌ≼  08:33, 11 April 2016 (UTC)
• Seems to be resolved for now; Spartaz left a cease-and-desist.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽^ʌⱷ҅_ᴥⱷ^ʌ≼  09:55, 11 April 2016 (UTC)

In my experience we run to arbcom far too often. I prefer to just extend the duration of blocks when prior blocks and warnings are not effective. We don't need the highest court in the land to tell us that incivility is not acceptable, we can just deal with it ourselves.

On the other hand, if this is about commas then only the arbitration committee could handle a dispute as entrenched as that! ;) HighInBC 16:01, 11 April 2016 (UTC)

Well, that speaks directly, albeit tongue-in-cheek, to the nature of the issue. The tendentiousness surrounding various MoS "issues" (trivia) has been going up rather than down despite WP:ARBATC. God forbid you remove a comma, or add a capital letter or remove one programmatically, based on logic and what the worlds' major style guides recommend; if someone somewhere thinks they remember a different "rule" from 7th grade, there's a good chance they will go to war about it. It really needs to be reigned in. Every pro-grade, multi-author publication has a style guide, and ever major publisher has a house style. People just deal with it, either by complying with it or by being edited later to comply with it, and they get over it. They come here and find a house style, and it's like their heads just explode. Not many of them, but enough to make a mess. If the community wanted no MoS and wished for stylistic chaos to reign, MoS would have been slapped with {{Historical}} a decade ago. I'm not sure what it is that makes people think this guideline is a battleground and that their purpose on WP should be to fight, fight, fight to keep articles from complying with it. I keep trying to be a voice of reason, and it has some effect, but the level of rant-and-rave stuff has shot way up over the last year.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽^ʌⱷ҅_ᴥⱷ^ʌ≼  01:01, 16 April 2016 (UTC)

I blame the school teachers. I remember one of them teaching me that the oxford comma was mandatory, then 2 years later another one telling me it was "just wrong". Each teacher knew that there were different ways of doing things but decided it was just easier to pretend there was just one way.

I suggest a 2 week block on all teachers from grade 4-12. HighInBC 14:02, 16 April 2016 (UTC)

Include the community college ones, and I'm all for it.  ;-) Heh.  — SMcCandlish ☺ ☏ ¢ ≽^ʌⱷ҅_ᴥⱷ^ʌ≼  23:15, 24 April 2016 (UTC)

Regarding WP:ANI#Highly abusive summary line

That IP belongs to a user who has been socking for a long time. I just never reported it because it was not on my high priority list. Also the summary was not a name calling rather a curse and a really bad one considered in my culture. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 15:10, 13 April 2016 (UTC)

That is why I blocked the IP. There is no point in making a longer block because they can change IPs. HighInBC 15:18, 13 April 2016 (UTC)

I am sorry if my use of the term "just name calling" diminished your plight, however around here being called an SoB is not a grave insult, just something one child would call another. If it is a serious curse in your culture then that is unfortunate, but consider that the person using the term probably did not assign such weight to it. HighInBC 14:41, 16 April 2016 (UTC)

Hi

Hi there. Assistant principal of Wayne High School here. It's come to my attention that there was some info on our WP page that implies our association with Ryen Wilson. This info was passed on to me through several of our students, and after a few days I decided to take a look for myself.. I searched through the history of the page, and in addition to finding the user who created the content, I also discovered that Mr. Wilson has an account on here as well. I just wanted the record of this unfortunate incident hidden from the general public, as it created an unfathomably humiliating moment for our school last year. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Laheeca (talk • contribs) 16:43, 20 April 2016 (UTC)

Hello. There was a discussion about the inclusion of the information here: Talk:Wayne_High_School_(Indiana)#Removed Wilson section. It appears the consensus is that it does not belong in the article. The conclusion seems to be that its presence is undue weight and not representative of the subject of the article. You are welcome to comment at the discussion there if you wish, but I think you have already got what you want. HighInBC 02:57, 21 April 2016 (UTC)

I will also add that I looked up who inserted that information originally. The user in question has since been blocked indefinitely from the project for disruptive behaviour. HighInBC 15:27, 21 April 2016 (UTC)

favour

My apologies, in advance, for this forward request but it appeared you might be online right now. If it's not too much to ask, would you mind making a quick ruling on this 3RR complaint against me and blocking me (or not) as appropriate? Several other editors were pinged into this discussion and I'd like to get it off my plate as quickly as possible so as to avoid this turning into an epic drama. Thanks. LavaBaron (talk) 22:36, 22 April 2016 (UTC)

I am probably not going to handle that reports as I am a bit busy today, and this matter seems to need a decent amount of attention. However I did ask a question. HighInBC 22:48, 22 April 2016 (UTC)

No problem, thanks very much for your consideration in any case. LavaBaron (talk) 22:59, 22 April 2016 (UTC)

Glad I could help. HighInBC 14:49, 23 April 2016 (UTC)

By now

So by now, we have met and you, an admin, have researched me. This is the point where you could self-reflect: why does such an experienced editor not trust me?. -DePiep (talk) 01:08, 23 April 2016 (UTC)

I have not researched you, I have no idea who you are or what you are about other than the fact that you don't like admins and you have trouble keeping your facts straight. I know that this is paranoid. I assure you that I am not conspiring against you or anyone else in some dark corner.

@Floquenbeam: does not do my bidding and I do not do theirs. They have a mind of their own and we sometimes agree and sometimes disagree.

If I tell you I am confused it is because your accusations are a wash of incorrect facts and unsubstantiated conspiracies. How about you point out something specific I have done? Right now you are just imagining scenarios without basis and it is getting silly. HighInBC 01:50, 23 April 2016 (UTC)

Yes you did: you mentioned my wiki age [10]. -DePiep (talk) 19:52, 23 April 2016 (UTC)

Must say: I thought about a serious and careful response still. But then I noticed how you invited the harassing admin Flock right here -- why should I spend time on you at all? And even Flock's 3'rd rate friends come harasing me? -DePiep (talk) 22:32, 23 April 2016 (UTC)

I have a tool that tells me how old a user is, and how many edit they have made at the top of their user page. I did not invite anyone anywhere, I pinged Floquenbeam because it is rude to talk behind peoples back. You brought this block upon yourself, no conspiracy was needed.

The only person harassing anyone is you. You are literally lashing out at every single person who talks to you right now. Seriously I wish you could see how you are acting. HighInBC 04:59, 24 April 2016 (UTC)

Izkala on humour

Just the kind of maturity one would expect from an admin. Izkala (talk) 11:36, 24 April 2016 (UTC)

Maturity? Listen buddy I am a child at heart. I avoid being mean spirited, a more and more rare thing around here. Do you have any questions or comments that aren't sarcastic? HighInBC 17:26, 24 April 2016 (UTC)

@Izkala: Since it seemed to bother you: [11]. HighInBC 17:57, 24 April 2016 (UTC)

Thanks, and I'm sorry for the sarcasm. Izkala (talk) 17:59, 24 April 2016 (UTC)

No worries. It is early for me. HighInBC 18:00, 24 April 2016 (UTC)

Abriendo Mentes

Dear HighInBC, is not our intention to promote Abriendo Mentes. Just we think it would be good that was in Wikipedia, a supposedly free encyclopedia, where there are another nonprofits available. We are small but no less important, again, do not intend to promote anything just share information. I am at your disposal if we can adapt the page to the needs of Wikipedia. We know that our site and social networks are for promote. Can we keep the page please? Thanks in advance, have a nice day. Rmontala. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rmontala (talk • contribs) 18:00, 24 April 2016‎

We get dozens of people coming here to write about their group every day. They all think they are not being promotional but they are, you included. What you call "sharing information" is in fact writing about your group to gain attention. Our articles are written by uninvolved people, and it is clear that you have a close involvement with the subject of the article.

To put it simply you have a conflict of interest in this matter which prevents you from writing in a neutral tone. Please do not promote or "share information" about your group or whatever you want to call it. There is a big wide Internet out there and this is not the place for what you want. HighInBC 18:04, 24 April 2016 (UTC)

Arrow spammer not alone

HighInBC, I noticed that you posted a message on Yesenia Olsone's talk page about spamming. The same spam was posted to List of Arrow episodes by another new account, User:Wendell Gonzalese. I reverted both instances. I thought you might want to know that the spamming was ongoing. BlueMoonset (talk) 18:10, 27 April 2016 (UTC)

Yes I am aware of that. Thank you. HighInBC 18:33, 27 April 2016 (UTC)

The blacklist warning's going to fall on quite deaf ears. Special:Contributions/103.200.98.185 has a partial overview of previous domains, and this is typical behavior. —Cryptic 04:55, 28 April 2016 (UTC)

Can't win them all. HighInBC 08:07, 28 April 2016 (UTC)

Just saying...

if this isn't stalking [12] then what is? Isn't it strange how he ends up out of nowhere on Martinevans talk page? The truth is he's been harassing me, stalking me and my edits, and trying to force me to communicate further with him by him opening multiple threads on me on multiple talk pages. He even filed a recent bogus report on me trying to get me blocked. A report that was done in bad faith. The harassment has been going on for months now. Check his edit history and check mine. You will see what he's been doing to me. HighIn BC I'm at the end of my rope with that user. It's just creepy and disturbing to see. And I'm truly fed up. Caden ^cool 22:20, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

My suggestions would be to compile your evidence in detail. If you feel it is compelling then take it to to ANI. This is too complex for a single admin such as myself to handle unilaterally. HighInBC 23:17, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

I just wanted you to know that this has been going on for months now and sooner or later the community will see it for what it is. He thinks he's clever but the community is far more clever than he will ever be and it won't be long before fate pays him a visit. Caden ^cool 23:22, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

Everything we do here is logged in detail so I have no doubt you will be able to demonstrate any actual malfeasance that has occurred. HighInBC 23:23, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

Oh by the way just for the record, the Emotion (Samantha Sang song) article was not part of the original discussion at Wiki:Project Song (the thread opened by my my stalker). He found "Emotion" by going through my edits. He also has me on his watchlist too. Caden ^cool 19:44, 30 April 2016 (UTC)

Does it not bother you that he flat out lied to you in regards to the song "Emotion"? Caden ^cool 17:44, 2 May 2016 (UTC)

As I said before. This is too complex for a single admin to deal with, especially if that single admin is me. If you think there is a serious issue then compile your evidence and present it to the community. HighInBC 17:45, 2 May 2016 (UTC)

Hijiri88

Since I was the blocking admin, User:TParis asked me to unblock Hijiri, but given your strong words rejecting his unblock, I thought a unilateral unblock inappropriate. I've therefore asked for community review of the situation; see WP:AN#Admins disagreeing on unblock. Nyttend (talk) 12:01, 30 April 2016 (UTC)

Thank you for consulting me. I have given my opinion at AN. I am happy to defer to your judgement. HighInBC 16:32, 30 April 2016 (UTC)

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