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Your submission at Articles for creation: Tyrannoraptora (January 2)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Theroadislong was:

This submission's references do not adequately show the subject's notability. Wikipedia requires significant coverage (not just mere mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject—see the general guideline on notability, the golden rule and learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue. Please improve the submission's referencing (see Wikipedia:Referencing for beginners and Help:Introduction to referencing/1), so that the information is verifiable, and there is clear evidence of why the subject is notable and worthy of inclusion in an encyclopedia. If additional reliable sources cannot be found for the subject, then it may not be suitable for Wikipedia at this time.

The comment the reviewer left was:

Wikipedia cannot reference itself

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Theroadislong (talk) 11:05, 2 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hello! Hallothere!, I noticed your article was declined at Articles for Creation, and that can be disappointing. If you are wondering why your article submission was declined, please post a question at the Articles for creation help desk. If you have any other questions about your editing experience, we'd love to help you at the Teahouse, a friendly space on Wikipedia where experienced editors lend a hand to help new editors like yourself! See you there! Theroadislong (talk) 11:05, 2 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Copyright problem: Draft:Tyrannoraptora

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Thank you, and please feel welcome to continue contributing to Wikipedia. Happy editing! SeraphWiki (talk) 04:57, 4 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Angolasaurini

Your recent edits on Plioplatecarpinae, Ectenosaurus, Angolasaurus and Selmasaurus have added a tribe called "Angolasaurini" to the Plioplatecarpinae subfamily. You have not provided any references for this and whilst the three genera do indeed seem to form a clade together, I could not find any references to a tribe by that name in the literature, do you have any references for this? Ichthyovenator (talk) 15:45, 7 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Well, actually, I created it as an informal clade or tribe.

P.S. I am an amateur (although I don't really like to call it that) cladist/phylogenist/phylogenetist (or whatever you want to call it, considering that there really is no correct word defined for the meaning).

Yeah, I suspected as much. It is completely fine to engage in amateur phylogenetics (I do sometimes too), but original research (such as coining a new tribe of mosasaurs) should be kept off of Wikipedia (https://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Wikipedia:No_original_research) - "Wikipedia editors must not base their contributions on their own original research. Wikipedia editors must base their contributions on reliable, published sources". I have reverted your additions of the "Angolasaurini" for now. Do not let this discourage you from continuing to phylogenetisize (?) or edit Wikipedia, just be sure to only add information to Wikipedia that can be backed up by published sources next time. Ichthyovenator (talk) 16:03, 7 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Ok.

Well, running off of what you said about original research being put on Wikipedia, do you have any suggestions on where I (or anyone) can post amateur phylogenetic work/cladenaming just for people to see publicly?

If you want to post work on clades or phylogenies and discuss those sort of things with other people, deviantArt seems to have a somewhat active community doing that sort of thing (as revealed by a quick search after "phylogeny" on the site (link)). Some examples I found; 1, 2, 3. Ichthyovenator (talk) 16:38, 7 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hmmm... interesting. Thanks!

Inventing the name Suchodon malaytius (and the proper "Latin" would be something like Suchodon malayanus - except that I'm not sure offhand of the gender) and adding it to WikiPedia also contravenes WP:NOR. Material added to WikiPedia is supposed to be reliably sourced (WP:RS). Lavateraguy (talk) 14:35, 20 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Please Don't Tinker With The Taxoboxes

Please don't add new features to the taxoboxes, i.e., your attempts to add a diversity entry, as it will not show up unless you modify the corresponding templates. If you don't modify the corresponding templates, your attempts will either not show up or screw up the article.--Mr Fink (talk) 02:32, 14 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Tyrannoraptora (January 16)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Justlettersandnumbers was:

This submission's references do not adequately show the subject's notability. Wikipedia requires significant coverage (not just mere mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject—see the general guideline on notability, the golden rule and learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue. Please improve the submission's referencing (see Wikipedia:Referencing for beginners and Help:Introduction to referencing/1), so that the information is verifiable, and there is clear evidence of why the subject is notable and worthy of inclusion in an encyclopedia. If additional reliable sources cannot be found for the subject, then it may not be suitable for Wikipedia at this time.

The comment the reviewer left was:

It appears that this topic may perhaps be notable – there are a few hits for the term on Google scholar. But it is not clear how or indeed whether the current references support the content in the page. I checked seven of the eight sources (all but Ren 2002), and not one of them mentions this group at all – the word "Tyrannoraptora" is not found in any one of them. The article as it stands is in any case not ready for mainspace. Each statement in the page needs a citation to a reliable source; there's advice on how to start on this at Help:Referencing for beginners, and there are people willing to offer advice at the WP:TEAHOUSE. A Wikipedia page needs to say what it is about, so should start with an introduction that begins something like "Tyrannoptera is a group/clade/taxon/whatever it is ...".

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Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 11:42, 16 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy deletion nomination of Haha jk

Hello Hallothere!,

I wanted to let you know that I just tagged Haha jk for deletion, because it's too short to identify the subject of the article.

If you feel that the article shouldn't be deleted and want more time to work on it, you can contest this deletion, but please don't remove the speedy deletion tag from the top.

You can leave a note on my talk page if you have questions.

Kb.au (talk) 07:27, 20 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

January 2018

Hello, I'm Kb.au. An edit that you recently made to Haha jk seemed to be a test and has been removed. If you want more practice editing, please use the sandbox. If you think a mistake was made, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thanks! Kb.au (talk) 07:29, 20 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy deletion nomination of Tyranoraptora

Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia. Although everyone is welcome to contribute to Wikipedia, introducing inappropriate pages, such as Tyranoraptora, is not in accordance with our policies. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. Under section G3 of the criteria for speedy deletion, the page has been nominated for deletion.

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Please do not be impatient with the "Articles for Creation" process above, but take time to understand the feedback that you receive there. – Fayenatic London 12:06, 20 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Please do not update cladograms

Hello, I recently noticed that you changed the cladogram at the bottom of the Suchia page to include Erpetosuchus in basal Suchia. While this does correspond to recently published material, you should probably know that the purpose of a cladogram is to show the perceived taxonomy from a certain publication, in this case Butler (2011). Butler's paper did not place Erpetosuchus in the same position as newer publications do, and as such the cladogram showing specifically his phylogeny should not be updated for these more recent studies. If you want to show a more recently published cladogram on Wikipedia, copy the cladogram from the publication it appears in into Wikipedia format. Don't just hijack an older cladogram to show a newer classification. What if people look to Butler's paper to see why Erpetosuchus is in basal Suchia and find that Butler did not give it the position that Wikipedia is saying he did. What would that do to our credibility? I don't want to sound rude, but I just think you need to know this rule of etiquette when dealing with cladograms on Wikipedia. I have undone the edit, and I am asking that you do not update cladograms on other articles in the future if you plan on doing so. Fanboyphilosopher (talk) 03:56, 19 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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