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Re: BMC, part II/Any chance you could.

I took your recap from stage five and just added what was left of a pretty lacklustre Giro for BMC. Probably the polar opposites of a Saxo Bank-SunGard section, which will be rather larger! I must have left the last comment as you were archiving! Cs-wolves (talk) 15:58, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

Yes, quite a bit more to say about that team's three weeks of racing. Sections for Lampre, Liquigas, HTC, and possibly Garmin will also be big. Most of the others will be about the same size as that BMC section. Green-eyed girl (Talk · Contribs) 16:02, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

I had been meaning to ask about them many weeks ago, but of course I got sidetracked...but good to see you back. ;) I have also been meaning to set up either an Excel document or a database to input the year's results to, so I know what was won and when without the need to check back. Tedious, but that fits right into my ballpark, haha! I think we also have to remove some results, especially from last year's Tour of California after a certain P. Zajicek's life ban and result removal from 2007 onwards. Cs-wolves (talk) 13:49, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

Semi-retired

It sounds like you turned a hobby into a job, right? Congratulations on that! It's a bit sad to see a good contributor leave the project, but it's good that you're doing it for the right reasons. --EdgeNavidad (Talk · Contribs) 19:51, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

Well, it isn't quite that rosy, but it could end up that way. I'm going to finish 2011 Giro d'Italia and the 2011 season articles, though those won't need finishing for several months. After that I'm not going to commit to anything, and will edit only sparingly. Even now I have very little time for WP, hence placing the templates now. Green-eyed girl (Talk · Contribs) 05:29, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

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Pass me the dunce's hat

Don't know when you'll read this, but yeah...have you got a dunce's hat for yours truly for that Garmin edit? I hang my head in shame. ;) Cs-wolves (talk) 23:18, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

Mmm? Not sure I know what you're talking about. Green-eyed girl (Talk · Contribs) 12:47, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

My unnecessary repetition of the team...I had forgotten the ref name in ref group capability. Hence the "pass me the dunce's hat" comment. That's all! Nothing to worry about! Cs-wolves (talk) 23:47, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

Transfer page ?

With all the rumours of transfers going around, do you think it would be useful to create some sort of seasonal cycling transfer page? I was thinking of a page such as List of Belgian football transfers summer 2011 where it is split per date and per team (e.g. List of cycling transfers winter 2011), but then for cyclists instead of footballers ofcourse. One article per season containing all cyclists moving from/to all (new+old) UCI ProTeams and UCI Professional Continental teams should do. But then on the other hand, probably it will be a page without much prose and apart from the teams' season page not much would link to it either...

Note: I just checked, seems like UCI is interested in introducing an official transfer period.

Thanks for your two cents. Pelotas^talk 09:22, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

I kept track of them on a user subpage last year. I don't think we need anything in the article space, but I found User:Green-eyed girl/2010-2011 rider transfers exceedingly useful when updating certain pages (team, rider, season). I very much encourage the creation of something like this, but as you may have noticed my wiki-availability is very spotty and is only going to get spottier in the future. Green-eyed girl (Talk · Contribs) 12:41, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

Although do note that that subpage is not completely accurate, nor is it anywhere near complete. Green-eyed girl (Talk · Contribs) 12:48, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

Ahh, what the hell, I'll throw one together for '11-'12. Green-eyed girl (Talk · Contribs) 20:07, 6 September 2011 (UTC)

1988 Giro

Hi ~~Nosleep (yes I know you changed your name to~~ Green-eyed girl~~, but thats what I know you as), but I digress....~~

I've been working on the 1988 Giro d'Italia lately, my ambition is for it to become a good article. I know you are knowledgeable with the Giro d'Italia and its relating pages. I was wondering if there are any sites that you use that could be of some help for me, sites that have in depth stats about yearly Giro d'Italias? If you don't have any sites that's okay, I was just curious. ThurstAsh13 (talk) 04:01, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

I have no knowledge of that race. And don't call me by that name anymore. Green-eyed girl (Talk · Contribs) 19:50, 6 September 2011 (UTC)

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Re:GAN

Having never put an article up for GAR before, I suppose that after nearly six (intermittent in the early times) years, I really should become used to doing so. With that, I'm sure that I could be able to, if I can fit it around the other areas of work I have here. That and finishing off an Excel document of the Pro & Pro-Conti teams and their performances in 2011; in case we have missed any results out! ;) Craig (talk) 00:46, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

I'd be happy to do so. I can see a few things that need tidying up (mostly formatting of sources that I added... shall keep that in mind for the future) before a nom, but yes it certainly looks very solid to this point. Would be perfectly happy to work with Cs-wolves, too -- double the eyes is always a good thing :) Buttons to Push Buttons (talk | contribs) 14:35, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

Would be perfectly happy to work as a pair, and a trio if we can all find the time in the long-run! Craig (talk) 16:46, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

Well, I am still adding prose to all of them (except the Ag2r, that one's done). It should be obvious when they're done. It's going to take me a lot longer than I first speculated. Finishing the Ag2r article took about three days, and there's 19 more for me to do ;\ (I have no intentions of working with the Sky, Vacansoleil, or Verandas Willems articles). Green-eyed girl (Talk · Contribs) 20:12, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

We'll do you proud with Sky and Vacansoleil, I hope. ;) Verandas...Meh, we'll see how it goes. Craig (talk) 01:21, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

The Astana article is now finished on my end as well. Couldn't think of a logical pic to put in it. If we had one of Kreuziger in the Astana kit, that'd be good. Anywho, just so you know. Green-eyed girl (Talk · Contribs) 17:49, 30 October 2011 (UTC)

There's three on Commons just now, and another few on Flickr which can be transferred across. "That'd be good." just became "That is good!" I think. ;) Craig (talk) 23:23, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

One Kreuziger in Astana kit image on the page. Amend the wording as you see fit! Craig (talk) 18:20, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, I saw those ones on commons. They looked like they were from pretty far away, like you could barely tell who the rider was. The pic (and caption) on the article right now look fine, though. Thanks. Green-eyed girl (Talk · Contribs) 18:52, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

No problem; anything to help! Craig (talk) 19:20, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

Article	Status
2011 Ag2r-La Mondiale season	Done
2011 Astana season	Done
2011 BMC Racing Team season	Done
2011 Cofidis season	Done
2011 Team Europcar season	Done
2011 Euskaltel-Euskadi season	Done
2011 FDJ season	N Not done and not likely to be done
2011 Garmin-Cervélo season	Done
2011 Geox-TMC season	N Not done and not likely to be done
2011 HTC-Highroad season	Not done
2011 Team Katusha season	N Not done and not likely to be done
2011 Lampre-ISD season	N Not done and not likely to be done
2011 Leopard Trek season	Not done
2011 Liquigas-Cannondale season	N Not done and not likely to be done
2011 Movistar Team season	Not done
2011 Omega Pharma-Lotto season	Not done
2011 Quick Step season	N Not done and not likely to be done
2011 Rabobank season	N Not done and not likely to be done
2011 Team RadioShack season	Not done
2011 Saxo Bank-SunGard season	Not done
2011 Team Sky season	Done
2011 Vacansoleil-DCM season	Done
2011 Veranda's Willems-Accent season	Done

The last three, as I've said, I have no intentions of writing (I'm not really sure why the Veranda's one was even started...I'd sooner see Skil-Shimano, Colnago-CSF, Acqua e Sapone, or even Andalucía-Caja Granada get one). I would be obliged if those which I finish could be nominated at GAN, because I think they'll easily pass. The only reason I'm not doing them myself is because I don't expect to be active on Wikipedia at all at the time they'd be reviewed. Really, my other commitments dictate that I should not be spending as much time here currently as I am, but I would really, really like to get the 20 articles I started finished and up to GA snuff. It's just...a little bit mentally draining. Hopefully it'll be done by the end of the year. Green-eyed girl (Talk · Contribs) 23:19, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

Well, the motorsports season is dying down, so more of my time will become available to get them done! Craig (talk) 01:30, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

And you're welcome to help. There was already a pretty decent section for the Giro on the BMC article (I added to it a bit). Don't be afraid to try a little prose writing ;) (though that realistically goes for all of WP:CYC). Green-eyed girl (Talk · Contribs) 23:22, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, I remember we encountered that user that had document every single BMC happening of the Giro...we had to word the summaries in order not to bite. ;) Ah, good times! Craig (talk) 01:30, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

I have nominated the first four articles at WP:GAN, with a note that I am unlikely to be active on Wikipedia when they are reviewed. I encouraged contacting WP:CYC and User:Cs-wolves :) Green-eyed girl (Talk · Contribs) 04:59, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

Just want to let you know you forgot to add your name after "nominator=". This caused this cool error ;)--♫GoP♫_T ^C _N 14:27, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

Just as well I've got my laptop back, so I can review back the data of 2011! ;) Craig (talk) 17:49, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

Bah. I prefer the old way of nominating GA's. Green-eyed girl (Talk · Contribs) 00:58, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

Okay. I have marked off some articles on the chart that I really do not care to write. I mean, twelve months ago when I started this, I'd've loved to, but in the interests of moving on with my life, they're the ones I'd like to skip. They're the ones in which I'm least interested. If you could take up the reins on those articles (because you really did fantastic on the two V-teams), that'd be a big help. Green-eyed girl (Talk · Contribs) 08:30, 4 December 2011 (UTC) And hopefully the way I have the articles prepped is clear (with the comment tags). There is one race missing from the single-day rundowns in the comment tags - the GP Quebec. I just...missed updating it. So if you do take up the articles I marked, do be sure to check that race for a team's top performance. Green-eyed girl (Talk · Contribs) 08:49, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, I'll take them up...but of course, if you require assistance (perhaps if we're running short of time, if we're a few short of making them complete by the end of the year), I'll jump in and lend a hand. Was always going to do the bottom three as they were the ones that needed a bit of work on it and you had said that you had no intention of writing that trio. Lampre will be an interesting one to write, solely for the management hoo-hah. Think I can just about understand who is where now! Yeah, Sky is being done and hopefully should be no later than a tomorrow finish. Your preparation for the articles is beneficial, and with the GP Quebec best riders stored in the spreadsheet, I can combine the two for great success! Craig (talk) 13:19, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

May as well stick it here; yeah, it makes sense...it's just habitual to stick everything into the convert thing, it has almost became automatic! The 1400 edit day involved a lot of page moving, mainly moving years to the beginning of the article name than at the end, and also sticking en dashes in... As you might expect, I was really bored that day, and just went into overdrive. Ha! Craig (talk) 19:02, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

Sky took a lot longer than I thought it would... But it's done, hallelujah! Craig (talk) 05:44, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

It looks good :) Do you know which one you'll do next? I'm working on Garmin right now, HTC will be next. These two will probably be the largest of all 23 articles. Green-eyed girl (Talk · Contribs) 23:06, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

Why thank you. :) If I'm honest, it will likely be Quick Step. Looking for a quick turn around on that one, due to the fact that their season did not have much to show for it. From looking at the spreadsheet, they have 20 stage races where they failed to get a stage win, or a classification win. Mind you, they only got classification wins in two races, and three top three overall placings. A lot of decent one-day placings, but I'd imagine that if I put a bit of focus on it, it'd take a day or two. Then probably Geox, and we'll see where it goes from there... Yeah, two of the big ones for season victories; without a doubt the biggest two articles, but I suspect Sky will come a close third on that list. Craig (talk) 23:28, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

Just noticed that you've done quite a bit on the Quick Step, so I'll finish that one off. Probably won't be as long time-wise as first thought! Craig (talk) 00:02, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

I've done some work on all of them (except the bottom three). Up until about the Giro, I was keeping up with covering events as they happened. Events started happening a little too fast at that time to keep up with the prose. Green-eyed girl (Talk · Contribs) 00:19, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

Ah, I apologise...my bad! I think I'll keep a track of the races as they happen next year, so more time can be spent on getting them to GA and upwards...hopefully! Craig (talk) 00:26, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

No worries. I've kinda been wondering if you (or anyone) were going to do 2012 season articles. Obviously I'm not. Green-eyed girl (Talk · Contribs) 00:55, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

Thinking of, but I know that I would have to create the articles prior to the TDU, as I'm gonna miss the business end of the race for a wedding anniversary get-together involving a large portion of the family, and would have to catch up the stages at my own leisure. Probably have a think about it in early January, but I suppose we can't let the articles die a death after 2011...We'll see, is all I can say right now. Craig (talk) 01:40, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

Getting back to the title of this thread - the first four articles have now all passed GAN. I'd say that any marked as 'done' would probably meet the criteria, maybe worst-case scenario they need a little tweaking. If so inclined, you could list them for peer review and possibly even FAC. If so inclined. I am absolutely, beyond a shadow of a doubt no longer going to be even this active come the new year, so a) I'm not going to do it myself and b) it matters little to me (writing good articles {no pun intended} is important to me, not shiny little stars). But if you, or WP:CYC, wanted to go that route, it's not going to be an uphill finish {pun definitely intended}. Green-eyed girl (Talk · Contribs) 02:23, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

I simply have not had the chance to list them at GA! Had a busy last few days what with shopping for presents and all that, and having a lot of trouble with my sleep pattern...All I've been restricted to is the transfer converting. Hoping to change that pretty soon mind you! I do want to, but I feel that it would be a hell of a standard to live up to, following on from such an established writer of the cycling articles... But, I also feel it would be a lot easier thanks to the advice that you have given, of course. Craig (talk) 00:28, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

Re:Gotta tell you

I'm hoping to do the three that you haven't touched before the end of the week if possible. I don't think it'll take too long to get Veranda's out the way...I've given it a start already and with me being all caught up with my results, I can now carry on at a fair slog to get it done. Sky and Vacansoleil will be slightly longer due to their more successful seasons, but if I'm done by Friday with them, I'll be delighted. Hopefully you can cast an eye over them when you get an opportunity to do so. That way I can get on with the others that you may not have the time for. I would love for other people to help us two, but the chances of it sadly, are pretty low. And that disappoints me... Craig (talk) 22:00, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

That's Veranda's done...not too sure if it is GA-worthy yet, but who knows. To sleep, I go. Craig (talk) 03:50, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

Looks excellent, well done. There's just not much to say about such an insignificant team (which is why I never started that article nor ever really did anything with it). Green-eyed girl (Talk · Contribs) 22:28, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

Don't know why it was created either, if I'm honest. A lot of close runs for them, but not really many victories. Hopefully I can get through the rest of Vacansoleil before I fall asleep, but we'll see! Craig (talk) 22:45, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

Well, it's not really about that. I mean, Geox didn't have many victories either. But they did win one of the biggest races of the season. And even if they hadn't, it was still pretty well a given that they'd at least participate in said race (Giro, too). Verandas didn't really even get that many high-profile invites, let alone performances. Flanders was probably the high point of their season. Green-eyed girl (Talk · Contribs) 22:51, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

True, true. I think I counted four wildcard invites for Veranda's, which were all around the Spring classics. Ironically, Flanders was one of the few World Tour races that I didn't see [yeah, I hang my head in shame!] in 2011, so just took a wild stab at the performance of Scheirlinckx... but yeah, I have to agree, that was their performance. Craig (talk) 23:07, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

Bit later than planned, but that's Vacansoleil done. Seahawks-Eagles game distracted me a bit last night, and thus the delay to this afternoon! Craig (talk) 15:42, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

The Vacansoleil article looks amazing! Very, very well done. Green-eyed girl (Talk · Contribs) 22:02, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

Only thing I'd add is some discussion of Riccò's kidney issues/transfusion/sacking. It's referred to in a footnote and indirectly mentioned in the prose, but it could be described more comprehensively. Mosquera's case really would belong in 2010 Xacobeo-Galicia season, should that article ever be written, though you could touch on it a little too (say, how the Giro was supposedly considering excluding them because of Tricky Ricky and Zeke). Green-eyed girl (Talk · Contribs) 22:08, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

(bows) Couldn't have done it without your help, of course! ;) Yeah, I had the Riccò issue floating about my head, but just couldn't think of a good way to put it at the time. Did try to put something about the potential exclusion in the Giro section, mainly because the team didn't do that much at the race, but of course I can expand on it, see if I can dig deeper and all that! Craig (talk) 22:58, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

Well, thanks. I'd do it in an "away from competition" section, since it doesn't really tie into any particular race (I think Riccò rode one race for the team in 2011). Green-eyed girl (Talk · Contribs) 23:11, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

Funnily enough, I had just lifted that from the Matt White section on the Garmin page! Yeah, just a seventh place in the Marseillaise race the week before it all kicked off on that "training ride". Craig (talk) 23:13, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, I covered the shit out of the Matt White firing, didn't I? You think there's maybe too much there? Green-eyed girl (Talk · Contribs) 23:33, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

Hell yeah, ticks all the boxes that one. I don't think so; you've covered the all main areas of it, with White, Vaughters, and Lowe's contributions to the story, and then the succession on from there, with the short-term contracts for Van Petegem and the longer contract for Van Lancker. Craig (talk) 00:15, 3 December 2011 (UTC)

Riccò section I think is covered, admittedly not as extensive as the White section, but covers the main points of the allegations, I feel. Craig (talk) 00:15, 3 December 2011 (UTC)

Found something you might want to add (or hell, I might) - Vacansoleil now has an official team policy not to hire riders who have had doping suspensions. Obviously this rule took effect this year. As the linked article mentions, it would have shut out Björn Leukemans if it had been in effect when he was returning from his ban. Not even Garmin-Cervélo, for as staunchly anti-dope as they are, have such a stringent rule (and Thomas Dekker (cyclist) thanks them). Green-eyed girl (Talk · Contribs) 00:23, 3 December 2011 (UTC)

Feel free to add it yourself! :) Yeah, they might be tough on anti-doping, but Dekker proved that he merited a second chance and I am looking forward to see how his 2012 season goes. Craig (talk) 00:32, 3 December 2011 (UTC)

And that Vacansoleil article is abso-frickin'-lutely GA caliber. Even the Verandas one probably is. Green-eyed girl (Talk · Contribs) 00:24, 3 December 2011 (UTC)

Excellent news! :) Craig (talk) 00:32, 3 December 2011 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of 2011 Ag2r-La Mondiale season

The article 2011 Ag2r-La Mondiale season you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:2011 Ag2r-La Mondiale season for comments about the article. Well done! There is a backlog of articles waiting for review, why not help out and review a nominated article yourself? Jezhotwells (talk) 17:15, 3 December 2011 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of 2011 Astana season

The article 2011 Astana season you nominated as a good article has been placed on hold . The article is close to meeting the good article criteria, but there are some minor changes or clarifications needed to be addressed. If these are fixed within seven days, the article will pass, otherwise it will fail. See Talk:2011 Astana season for things which need to be addressed. Jezhotwells (talk) 18:02, 3 December 2011 (UTC)

Think I've addressed them, but not too sure. Well worth a second opinion! ;) Craig (talk) 19:10, 3 December 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for the quick reviews. I hope my note about not expecting to be active when they were reviewed didn't come across as passive aggressive pouting. I just legitimately thought it would be well into next year before they were reviewed, at which point I certainly will be here less often (not that I'm even now here as often as I used to be). Green-eyed girl (Talk · Contribs) 01:09, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

		The Good Article Barnstar
		Thanks Green-eyed girl for helping to promote 2011 Ag2r-La Mondiale season to Good Article status. Please accept this little sign of appreciation and goodwill from me, because you deserve it. Keep it up, and give some a pat on the back today. --Sp33dyphil © • © 06:44, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the shiny thing :) What brought this article/me to your attention? Green-eyed girl (Talk · Contribs) 07:02, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of 2011 BMC Racing Team season

The article 2011 BMC Racing Team season you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:2011 BMC Racing Team season for comments about the article. Well done! There is a backlog of articles waiting for review, why not help out and review a nominated article yourself? Jezhotwells (talk) 21:43, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of 2011 Cofidis season

The article 2011 Cofidis season you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:2011 Cofidis season for comments about the article. Well done! There is a backlog of articles waiting for review, why not help out and review a nominated article yourself? Jezhotwells (talk) 01:02, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for the reviews. In my time, I have reviewed approximately four GA nominations for each article I listed. I'm not doing so now, because finishing these 'season' articles is my sole focus in my remaining time here on Wikipedia. I in fact felt a bit uneasy about nominating the four. Green-eyed girl (Talk · Contribs) 02:21, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

		The Good Article Barnstar
		Thanks Green-eyed girl for helping to promote 2011 BMC Racing Team season and 2011 Cofidis season to Good Article status. Please accept this little sign of appreciation and goodwill from me, because you deserve it. Keep it up, and give some a pat on the back today. --Sp33dyphil ©^hat_ontributions 02:59, 12 December 2011 (UTC)