User talk:Green-eyed girl/Archive 5

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Your RfA

I'm sorry, but I've closed Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Nosleep as no consensus to promote at this time. You had a few good comments in the Oppose section; I'm sure that, given some time and effort spent addressing them, the next RfA I close for you will have a different result. :) EVula // talk // ☯ // 17:38, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Better luck next time. I'm sure you'll pass no problem in a few months, if you get a bit more experience (and hide any indiciation that you might have an opinion? :)). Cheers, –Juliancolton | ^Talk 19:07, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

To paraphrase Marge Simpson, I wouldn't want to join any club that wouldn't want this me as a member. If in a few months' time I reapply and people are still hung up over my opinions, then that'll pretty much be it. To directly quote Akil, "I ams what I am and that's all I can be." I'm cautiously optimistic. Nosleep ^{break my slumber} 03:06, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Please let me know when you re-apply -- I'll want to chime in again. Better luck next time!--SarekOfVulcan (talk) 14:12, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, but wouldn't that be considered forum shopping? Nosleep ^{break my slumber} 05:00, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

I was just going to tell you

As you have already noticed, it looks like someone cut-and-paste your RFA to create a new one. Very odd. Plastikspork (talk) 21:10, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

And it's someone who has less than 100 edits. Um, good luck to him... I was just idly checking pages to which my username linked and clicked on a few I didn't recognize - certainly I didn't recognize my name being on someone else's RFA! Nosleep ^{break my slumber} 21:12, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Re:Only half right

Fair enough - you are absolutely entitled to know why! Mkay, answers to questions plus Fastily's harsh criticism.

6b) Well, actually, Yes, non-free images of Living Persons may be used only if there is no free equivalent in existence (of course, usually there are free alternatives). However, such usage is to be determined on a case by case basis (e.g. the subject does not wish to be photographed) and subject to heavy restrictions. I feel that only the first line of the answer is relevant to the question (You answered it wrong ):) whilst the rest is, well, just ramblings. Frankly, this question can be answered in as few as 2 sentences...

6c) With this one, I felt that you was trying avoid answering the question directly by using other examples which were more or less relevant to the situation. However, reading through the answer, the ideas presented are for the most part correct with some minor inaccuracies here and there (i.e. non-free images tagged with {{pd-self}} are copyvios which can simply be speedy deleted per WP:CSD#F9 without any other steps necessary). Since there really wasn't much of a direct answer, I feel the question is half-wrong. This is actually a question which can be answered in a short paragraph - no rambling required!

Sample Answer The user created a Derivative Work - a work based on/includes the work of others. This kind of derivative work contains copyrighted images (copyright owned by Disney in this case) - images whose copyright is not owned by the creator (the uploader) of the the derivative work. This constitutes a Blatant Copyright Violation and subjects the image to speedy deletion under criterion F9. This is problematic because the copyright owner never released any of the images into the public domain. Therefore, images derived from copyrighted images cannot be released into the public domain under no circumstances (especially so due to potential legal implications). This is analogous to a user simply uploading a copyrighted image from a manufacturer's website claiming it as their own image and "releasing" it into the public domain.

Overall, I feel you worked a bit too hard trying to answer these questions - they're quite easy actually... These are some very simple questions which demand some simple, but detailed answers. Although your rfa didn't pass, I still believe you have the potential to become a great sysop. Your image policy knowledge is a little shaky but it's nothing you can't fix through reading WP:NFC, WP:IUP, ect. Actually, I would fancy Admin Coaching you but I will more or less soon be on a tight schedule in real life and unfortunately cannot commit. However, if you like, you are most free to leave messages on my talk page concerning image policy and whatnot - I would be happy to answer! All the Best, FASTILY ^(TALK) 18:40, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Not 'rambling' or 'ranting' so much as "speaking" extemporaneously and then not going back to edit. I was trying to find the right thing to say. And how did I not say something to that effect in the mass of wording that I left? Nosleep ^{break my slumber} 19:52, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Now I don't mean to cause any offense here. Certainly, your answers may have been correct in a few areas in terms of policy and whatnot but your answers did not provide the text I was looking for. I'm sorry Nosleep but I can only give you half credit at the most for your answers. -FASTILY ^(TALK) 07:48, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

Fine. This is probably too complicated for me to become an expert at anyway. Nosleep ^{break my slumber} 10:00, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Word of advice

I just came across the recent deletion discussion for the list of products that Billy Mays pitched. I saw that you closed the AfD which you actually nominated. Not only should non-admins only close unanimous or near-unanimous AfDs, but nobody should close an AfD with which they were involved. I strongly suggest you ask an admin to reclose the AfD, as your closure undoubtedly introduced a conflict of interest, or at least an appearance of one. Also, please make sure you follow WP:NAC and WP:DPR strictly when doing non-admin closures of AfDs in the future. Tim meh (review me) 14:56, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, I didn't think I'd done anything wrong. Merge seemed like a clear consensus to me, and I didn't want to someone to come and close under WP:SK since I didn't support outright deletion. That would have just been pointless. If anyone paid any attention to WP:PM, I'd have taken in there first, but I've lost faith in that as an actual tool of community involvement. Further, if User:Tavix, or anyone, had disagreed with the merge, they'd have split the article again by now. And they haven't. I think the situation is as it should be. Nosleep ^{break my slumber} 19:13, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

I agree that merge was the correct verdict, but the AfD was closed by the wrong person and could have appeared as a COI to someone. However, it didn't, so I suppose we can leave it as it is. I suggest avoiding closing AfDs you're involved with in the future, and be careful about which AfDs you do non-admin closures on. Closing ones that have spurred argument will likely result in an admin undoing your close. Tim meh (review me) 23:18, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Sackcloth and ashes

I hang my head in apology. You're right: it was far too short. Perhaps I hadn't drunk enough coffee that morning. happy days, les Les woodland (talk) 05:47, 15 August 2009 (UTC)les woodland

No harm done. Nosleep ^{break my slumber} 03:50, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

For what it's worth...

Not sure if you're still watching Malleus' page, I do apologize that I was bitchy and cranky this morning and not approaching things as well as I might. I do understand if you want nothing more to do with me, though. I'd apologize for Malleus, but well... he's himself. He's my usual sounding board, and I was mainly looking to make sure I wasn't being article-blind about missing something that needed to be covered. Again, sorry for the bad mood this morning and for letting it affect me. Ealdgyth - Talk 21:01, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

~~As long as no one goes off the deep end and takes the "murder" at the top of this page literally,~~ (removed it!) I've put this behind me. He's radioactive as far as I'm concerned. You both reacted to a review that hadn't yet occurred. For the record, I have never actually failed a GA review (I've only done about 5-10, but still). I just can't understand how he can (continually) react that strongly one or two comments. I said the article seemed short (which it is, there's no denying that) and that I wasn't sure it was broad enough. I don't see why that gets me flogged, but so be it. Maybe if I had reviewed the article, I'd have thought differently, but we'll never know.

You and I are cool. I'm not going to be itching to collaborate with you, but I won't avoid it, either. Nosleep ^{break my slumber} 22:45, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

Well, since I don't do cycling, and I doubt you love medieval bishops or horses... I think we're safe. Be well. Ealdgyth - Talk 00:34, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. You as well. Nosleep ^{break my slumber} 01:30, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

A helpful tip

Regarding this edit. It is often helpful to sign your comments as a courtesy on discussion pages. You can do this by simply adding ~~~~ to the end of your comments. This not only adds your signature to the comment, but it will also stamp the time that you posted your edit. If you would like more information about signing comments on Wikipedia you are more than welcome to leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you.--^{The Legendary}_{Sky Attacker} 06:11, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

Um, this very talk page shows I'm more than capable of signing. So too does my more than 2 years of work here. And the fact that I've taken care to make my signature oh so incredibly stylish. Please don't template the regulars (whether this was a template or not, it's that class of message) over a one-time oversight. Nosleep ^{break my slumber} 06:22, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

No it is not a template (that would be WP:DTTR). I was just offering advice that's all.--^{The Legendary}_{Sky Attacker} 06:24, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

Well, thank you, but it was wholly unnecessary. Nosleep ^{break my slumber} 06:27, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

Oh, come on. I know you know how to sign. It was just intended to be a bit of a laugh with you. My sincere apologies if it wasn't funny.--^{The Legendary}_{Sky Attacker} 06:31, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

Not a good day to try to make me laugh. Nosleep ^{break my slumber} 06:32, 23 August 2009 (UTC) No real harm done, though. Nosleep ^{break my slumber} 06:34, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

2001 Gator Bowl

What's the problem with the article? If it's something I can fix, let me know! JKBrooks85 (talk) 11:30, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

It's not a problem with you or the article. It's a problem with someone (else) who might respond to a review. Trust me, me not reviewing the article is the best decision for me, for you, for everyone. Nosleep ^{break my slumber} 15:55, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Bob Ward and CFL

I'm not sure if you are still watching the GA review page, so that's why I'm leaving a message. I apologize if it is not wanted here. Regarding your question on the years for the coaching tenure of Bob Ward in your GA review:

I found additional info on them, or it was apparent from context. For instance, one source said that two of the CFL teams won Grey Cups. The only ones won by those teams in the unknown period was Ottawa in 1969 and Montreal in 1970, so it was clear he coached there for those years. Oklahoma had something on Ward in its media guide, so that left Army as only one possible year as Sports Illustrated said he coached there immediately before going to Maryland as head coach.

Do you remember where you found the other years for his CFL career? I don't follow Canadian football, but occasionally find myself writing about Americans who also had CFL careers, and could always use more sources. I checked CFLapedia, but to no avail. Also, thank you for the review, comments, and promotion, by the way. Strikehold (talk) 06:39, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Certainly. The book A Slip in the Rain, the True Story of the 1967-72 Toronto Argonauts mentions the '72 Argonauts were in talks with "former Montreal Alouettes coach Bob Ward," indicating that he left that team before or during '72. Another source that I'm having trouble re-locating referred to Ward spending "one summer" with the Argonauts. Nosleep ^{break my slumber} 06:45, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Hello...this page, linked from the Argos official website, gives different dates entirely. I'll revise the article. The only thing left to nail down is if Ward left Montreal in '71 or '72. Nosleep ^{break my slumber} 06:53, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Thanks! I'm also having troubling re-locating the source (I think it was a Sports Illustrated report) that said he was leaving Army to take the HC job at Maryland. I am also a little confused about Oklahoma. In their media guide, they have a "Ward, Bob" as a "letterwinner" from 1957-58. It is possible that is a different person entirely, who was a player. I thought it would be strange to award a letter to the staff, and Bud Wilkinson, who was an assistant there in 1946 (before becoming HC) was not listed nor was another assistant that year. But those years fit in with Ward's timeline, so I don't know. Also, the Oklahoma Football Encyclopedia says he scouted Army for Oklahoma in 1961, but Iowa State said he was coaching there at the time! Strikehold (talk) 07:34, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

As long as it adds up. Unless you're hoping to get the article to FA (which might be a tough sell anyway), the only things that must be sourced are contentious claims. Alex finds herself awake at night _{(Talk · Why she won't sleep)} 07:55, 1 September 2009 (UTC) New sig!

Yeah, I know, and no I'm not trying to get it to FA standard, but it annoys me when little things like that don't add up. Anyway, thanks for the sources. I am going to assume he was at Montreal from 1970 to 1971, since two sources said he coached for 22 years, and that would add up. Thanks again. Strikehold (talk) 08:03, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Removal of PROD from Inventory cost management

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GAN notice

Hi Nosleep, you currently have at least one article up a WP:GAN in the Sports and recreation section. In an attempt to clear out the backlog there, User:Wizardman asked all sports WikiProjects to review at least two articles from that section. I'm now going around and asking anybody with an article nominated under Sports and recreation to review at least one article in that section to help us clear the backlog out so your articles can finally be reviewed faster! iMatthew ^talk at 15:08, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Each time I nominate an article I review one in the same section. I already reviewed four when I nominated 2008 Astana season and the Giro d'Italia articles. But of course I'll keep doing reviews. Alex finds herself awake at night _{(Talk · What keeps her up)} 07:30, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

2009 Giro d'Italia GA Reviews

Hello. I have reviewed and place on hold all three of the 2009 Giro d'Italia articles submitted for WP:GAN. To review them, here are the comments below:

Please contact me if you have any questions. Thanks. Chris (talk) 19:13, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Article rename

Regarding your comments in here, I've raised the issues in the WP:FOOTY discussion here. Please have a look on the discussion. Thanks. — Martin tamb (talk) 19:18, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

GAR Notice

Please note that I have reviewed 2008 Astana season which you put up for nomination, this article has two more days left on hold as I have listed issues with the article in the review. Please try to fix these problems or leave your opinion. Thanks JRA_Westy Qld2 ^Talk 09:24, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

Wow, looks like I missed a lot while my computer was stolen. I'll try to get back up to speed ASAP. Alex finds herself awake at night _{(Talk · What keeps her up)} 06:22, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

Anything else? I think it's pretty safe to pass. Comments? JRA_Westy Qld2 ^Talk 12:33, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

I revised to the best of my ability, though I wasn't positive I addressed your concerns. I was actually looking for any further input from you at this point. Alex finds herself awake at night _{(Talk · What keeps her up)} 12:34, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

Re:Giro d'Italia reviews

I understand your plight, but there are rules within WP:GAN that if you do not follow up with the suggestion to correct your respective article(s) within a week for GA, then I have to fail that article. Sorry, but rules are rules. Chris (talk) 12:27, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

I left the GA review comments on the talk pages for each of the 2009 Giro d'Italia article you submitted for you to review so that these articles can be improved to try again on GA. Chris (talk) 12:46, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

Well that's awfully disappointing. It's entirely up to you when and if to fail an article - nothing says when you "have to" fail it. Seven-day hold is just very common. Articles have been on hold for months at a time before. Not that I necessarily agree with that, but you don't have to immediately fail the articles just because I haven't been able to get to them for a little over a week. Alex finds herself awake at night _{(Talk · What keeps her up)} 20:12, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

I apologize for my action on this because of my uncertainty toward the enforcement of the seven day rule. If you would like to resubmit them for GA, I have no problem with that. I will not review them if you do resubmit and will let another user do so. Again, I apologize for this. Chris (talk) 12:52, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

Hey, it's all right. Chalk it up to a learning experience. I was maybe a little too snippy in some of my messages to you, hopefully no harm done. One other thing to keep in mind is that most editors who nominate articles at GAN have a pretty fair understanding of the GA criteria, so (this part is my opinion, but I think it makes logical sense) articles should really only be failed if they are "quick failed" or otherwise show an obvious lack of understanding or application of the GA criteria, or the author has not responded to points of concern for at least a couple of weeks. Alex finds herself awake at night _{(Talk · What keeps her up)} 14:59, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

I am still learning on how to do this. It will take time for me to do GA Reviews effectively just as it was to do the GAs themselves. FYI. I am entering the submitted comments on your talk page to my talk page to ensure that this in on the record for both of our pages as a learning experience for both of us. Chris (talk) 15:19, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

RE: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Inventory cost management

Would you consider userfying the article which you put up for deletion? The will delete the article from main space completely and move it to a sub-page of the creators.

The editor is a new editor, and this will give the new user a chance to rework this article and maybe wikipedia will get a long term dedicated editor

Please let me know as soon as possible, because as soon as someone else comments on the AfD, they must agree also before I can userfy the article. Thanks for your time.Ikip (talk) 00:49, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, I guess. Alex finds herself awake at night _{(Talk · What keeps her up)} 00:52, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

thanks. It has been userfied. Redirecting or userfication is always faster than AFDs.

		The Helping Hand Barnstar
		This barnstar is awarded to user Nosleep, for thinking about new wikipedia editors and helping to foster the development of new editors on wikipedia. Nosleep, thank you for your efforts in building the project. Ikip (talk) 01:26, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

Aw gee, thanks. I do tend to have my finger on the AFD button more than some, but I'm always open to listen to options. :) Alex finds herself awake at night _{(Talk · What keeps her up)} 01:29, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

Bad timing...

I'm sorry to hear that your computer was stolen. Normally, I would have helped with the GA-procedure for the Giro-articles, so they would not have been stopped, but this happend to be a break for me too, although in my case it was voluntary. I just wanted to let you know this, so you don't feel that you are the only one in the Cycling project to contribute. Still I also have other things to do (such as work, sleep, etc.) so I don't think I will ever contribute as much as you do! --EdgeNavidad (talk) 06:59, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

It's all right. I didn't mean anything by the "I'm the only one doing anything at GAN" remark on WT:CYC, so sorry if any offense caused. Looks like the Giro pages will easily pass next time around, though questions still remain over some of Chris' comments. Alex finds herself awake at night _{(Talk · What keeps her up)} 16:30, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

Comment

I just got done reading your user page, and I felt I needed to say something on you not being afraid, etc to say you are transgender. I guess it makes my heart warm to see someone be content with who they are and as they are instead of nitpicking at their overall appearance like today's society is. I guess you could say I'm proud of you. I know we've never meant but I guess I'm a little inspired by your strength. Oh yeah, Hi! my name is Will.--WillC 09:15, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. That's very nice of you to say. It's still pretty hard sometimes. I'm not sure my gender presentation was why I got beaten up a couple weeks ago, but I kind of suspect it. It's not going to deter me, though. Alex finds herself awake at night _{(Talk · What keeps her up)} 09:33, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

I hate to get deeply personnel but I have the curiosity that plagues us all. Were you born with your predicament, or by some other means? I've never talked to or met someone like you before. If I cross a line or anything in this conversation, just tell me. Afterall I am still a strange and I can understand your mindset with someone you've never met before asking you questions about your lifestory. Oh, that is sad to hear. How did that happen?--WillC 12:00, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, the whole myspace thing. We could move this to e-mail or an IM program if you wish.--WillC 05:30, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

It's okay. My email is available through my profile if you wish to go that way. Alex finds herself awake at night _{(Talk · What keeps her up)} 05:40, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

Okay, I'll e-mail you some time tomorrow.--WillC 06:37, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

Hey

I've seen you around, and you seem to know what's going on. I've been wanting to expand my writing outside of motorsport articles, and cycling seemed like a good place! Would you be up for a collaboration, perhaps to FA level? Aptery gial 10:58, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

Well you had mentioned the Tour Down Under, and I thought you meant the 2010 Tour Down Under, which is why I mentioned January. I'm of the belief that FA level work is something that's functionally impossible for one person to get on their own, so let's get with the collaborating! You want to start with that event? Alex finds herself awake at night _{(Talk · What keeps her up)} 03:37, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

Tour Down Under would be a good article to improve, as it seems to be in pretty bad shape now. The event is quite important to South Australia; the whole place seems to go mental when the tour comes through! Aptery gial 04:01, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

All right then. I'm a bit tied down with GAN's at the moment, but that'll pass in a day or two. Alex finds herself awake at night _{(Talk · What keeps her up)} 04:03, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

2009 Tour Down Under might be more interesting (and probably a little easier) if you want to establish a format for the individual small tours. Aptery gial 13:35, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

Ahh, sorry I haven't gotten back to you. I think the parent article Tour Down Under would take a fundamental rewrite to improve. I'd be much more confident of being able to improve an article on an individual edition. Alex finds herself awake at night _{(Talk · What keeps her up)} 04:35, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

That's what I'm thinking. I had a look at some of the pictures I took up Willunga Hill, and apart from a fairly blurry shot of Mike Rogers and the back of Lance Armstrong about ten metres away there isn't a lot... Aptery gial 11:46, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

2009 Giro d'Italia

Hi, "The 2009 Giro d'Italia was the 92nd running of the Giro d'Italia" looks a bit repetitive... Don't you think? Why not wikilink the first "Giro d'Italia" and just write "race" for the second? Regards, Carlo. --78.13.197.173 (talk) 16:03, 1 October 2009 (UTC)