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Hello, I'm Muhandes. I noticed that you added or changed content in an article, Closer than Close (Rosie Gaines song), but you didn't provide a reliable source. It's been removed and archived in the page history for now, but if you'd like to include a citation and re-add it, please do so. You can have a look at referencing for beginners. If you think I made a mistake, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. Muhandes (talk) 12:33, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, it's my bad because I didn't check that the id has changed! The song Closer than Close (Rosie Gaines song) is now certified Gold in the UK, here's the source: https://www.bpi.co.uk/award/1384-2035-1 The release year is now listed as 2013 so should we add another entry or just update the previous one with the new id and release year? Goldlinexy (talk) 17:12, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

British celebrities

Although I cannot apply the rules of the initial section to the short description and that Wikidata item descriptions are not subject to Wikipedia's policies or recommendations to multiple British celebrities who were born in England and are still part of the United Kingdom, I think you confused the idea of keeping the term "English" to related pages that are about a profession that's no longer used, I don't see why the nationality of a singer who's sometimes a "songwriter" are in lead sentence should not apply in both the short description and the afromentioned opening sentence, If it does not apply to your term and I left several editions summaries about MOS:NATIONALITY and MOS:ROLEBIO that must appear because I will not be able to understand how exactly I must comply to avoid an edition war between a user and an IP but since you just vandalically reverted the edition of an another IP which is also obsessed with changing again the term "British" to "English" if there's no consensus for this change, which by the way they had stopped updating automatically the "English" nationality in each profession that are within Wikidata and I'm do it here manually or I don't know, but the thing is that I don't know how to express myself when I try to bring up a dispute on the talk page. 186.6.72.32 (talk) 04:20, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I do not understand what you mean. If someone is a songwriter, how is that not relevant? If they write all of their songs and also for other artists, how are they not songwriters? You refer to MOS:NATIONALITY and MOS:ROLEBIO, and they further prove my point when it comes to the lead section. Look at several articles on Wikipedia and you'll see that we use "English" a lot (e.g Adele, Cheryl, Ed Sheeran, Louis Tomlinson). Someone who is English is also British, but we use English because it's more accurate. If someone is from Wales, should we also use British? Wales is in the UK so according to your previous edits we should say "yeah, he's Welsh but that means he is also British so we should go with that!". But we don't because we go with the specific country they were born in (or their parents' nationality). That's why we go with English, Welsh, Scottish etc. I hope you see what I mean. The same goes for occupation. If a singer writes their own songs as well as songs for other artists, they are a songwriter. In fact, you can search for any popular artist and you'll see that most of them are also a songwriter (Taylor Swift, Billie Eilish, Ed Sheeran are good examples). That's about the lead section.

Now let's talk about the short description. You have already agreed that, let's say Anne-Marie is English and a songwriter. Even the Wikipedia recommendations give an example of a singer-songwriter: "American singer/songwriter" (See: Wikipedia:SDEXAMPLES). So you are wrong, as "singer songwriter" is perfectly valid and wildly used in Wikipedia short descriptions. The same goes for nationality. It should be consistent with the rest of the page. As I have told you several times before, Wikidata item descriptions have nothing to do with Wikipedia short descriptions. They serve different purposes:

- "A Wikidata item description is designed to disambiguate Wikidata items with the same or similar labels."

- "A short description is Wikipedia-specific and relates to an individual encyclopedia article here on the English Wikipedia. It provides a brief indication of the field, an annotation, and a disambiguation in searches, not for any Wikidata item but for the encyclopedia article itself."

Can you see the difference?

Wikidata items descriptions are not subject to Wikipedia's policies or recommendations. So no, you should never manually change all the short descriptions on Wikipedia because you want them to match the Wikidata items describtions. That's against Wikipedia policy. If you still believe it should be changed then start a new topic on the talk page and discuss it with other editors, don't forget to quote/tag the relevant Wikipedia policies that support your claim, and if other editors agree with you, then feel free to edit it. (I still don't understand why you want to change it so badly when you've agreed that, for example, Anne-Marie is English and a songwriter though). And sorry to break it to you but I'm not vandalising Wikipedia, you are, as your edits are not supported by relevant policies. I'm simply reversing your edits because the Wikidata item descriptions you refer to are not subject to Wikipedia policies, and the MOS:NATIONALITY and MOS:ROLEBIO are for lead sections, not short description. The recommendations for the short descriptions give an example of a singer-songwriter. Goldlinexy (talk) 15:12, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]