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Capitalisation

Referring to your recent edits to Society of the Holy Cross, I would agree if there was on one bishop of Brechin or bishop of London but there have been many of both of those, so the term does not refer to a unique individual. In English we only capitalise proper nouns, common nouns and nouns that work as adjectives should not get a capital fore-letter. I know there is tendency to capitalise important sounding job titles like Managing Director or Chief Executive Officer, but unless you capitalise all job titles including tea boy and floor sweeper then it should be managing director, bishop of Brechin and verger.Wayne Jayes (talk) 18:40, 26 July 2018 (UTC)

In the case of bishop's titles, there is only one person holding that specific title at any one time. In my edit summary I pointed to WP:BISHOP which says; "Note that the lower-case in "bishop" does not apply to use of an episcopal title ("Bishop of London") in article text, where the capital "B" is standard in British English and very common in American English." For what ever reason, its been decided to use lowercase in the article title, but capitalised in the article text. Thanks, Gaia Octavia Agrippa ^Talk 18:53, 26 July 2018 (UTC)

How have we not resolved this?

From my point of view, I keep consistently providing references of people's given names. (Yes, sometimes their full forenames also appear formally, but their being called by their given name makes their WP:COMMONNAME obvious.) I find it difficult not to react emotionally to this, comrade; it's incredibly frustrating that you seem to insist that every person must be known by full first name, seemingly despite WP:COMMONNAME. I remind myself that we must both be trying our best to make the 'pedia the best it can be. So here I am, in good faith, asking to discuss. DBD 13:51, 25 July 2018 (UTC)

Sorry DBD! As you say, we're both trying our best. I'll start by quoting WP:NICKNAME, "The name used most often to refer to a person in reliable sources is generally the one that should be used as the article title", and WP:COMMONNAME, "Wikipedia does not necessarily use the subject's "official" name as an article title; it generally prefers the name that is most commonly used (as determined by its prevalence in a significant majority of independent, reliable English-language sources) [...] Although official, scientific, birth, original, or trademarked names are often used for article titles, the term or name most typically used in reliable sources is generally preferred."

From the way I see it, if someone is introduced by their "full" first name then that is their common name: if they are later referred to by a shortened version that is simply their nickname/familiar name. If the shortened form is (almost) never used alone in sources, then it isn't their common name.

If we use the example of Vivienne Faull: she is introduced as Vivienne and later referred to as Viv in the Minster announcement, called Vivienne on the dioceses official website, and named herself (assumedly) as Vivienne on Twitter. As both names are used, I would err on the side of caution and say that her common name is Vivienne and her knickname is Viv. There are no sources that only refer to her as Viv.

In contrast, someone like Nick Baines has the common name Nick because he is almost never referred to as Nicholas: when he is, it is by his his full name and in a very formal source (ie Parliament).

I hope this explains where I am coming from. Thanks for baring with me, I'm very busy and have limited access to the internet the moment. Gaia Octavia Agrippa ^Talk 18:48, 26 July 2018 (UTC)

Ah! That's very interesting. I think our only point of departure is that when a person is first described by their full forename and thereafter by the short form, I interpret it that the full name is a sop to formality and the latter shortenings represent their usual name... I think that's because I'm more an aural than a reading learner — and, e.g. I've only ever heard +Bristol referred to in conversation as Viv; whereas the only times I've heard Vivienne were at the consecration. (I'm off on holiday now for two weeks; cheerio!) DBD 13:33, 27 July 2018 (UTC)

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