User talk:Fredguyisback
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DYK notification
[edit]Thanks for the notification re Sebastian Hardie at DYK.Shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 13:11, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
- Thanks for the notification for Blooddrunk (song) as well, which was much appreciated. LuciferMorgan (talk) 14:58, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
Tom Sayle
[edit]I've found an image for the Ann Saunderson page, but I can't add it as only administrators can. It can be found at the following address:
To reply, reply at User talk:79.74.112.224
User talk:Fredguyisback/Header
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[edit]Thank you! --Carbonrodney (talk) 12:28, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
- Of course. :) – Luna Santin (talk) 09:44, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
AdultSwim
[edit]I had not noticed your answer to Barnecat before I typed my answer at AN, but I'll still leave it as is there. Circeus (talk) 02:29, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
- Gotcha. Thanks for keeping me in the loop. – Luna Santin (talk) 09:44, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
Drew, user who made article on Njection
[edit]Hi, you never responded to my last comment. I'm back on Wikipedia and sitting here literally afraid to start a new article for fear of being accused of having an ulterior motive. If something I write gets removed it's like a dagger in my side. I know I shouldn't take it personally but I do, I can't help it. I know it's okay though because I am still learning. But getting outright accused of having an "overriding conflict of interest" and that my "only current objective is to get this article posted" is extremely bothersome. I had a family emergency which is why I was gone for a month. (Two emergencies actually but I'll not get into that.) Anyways, I don't care about the Njection article at this point (although it saddens me cause I wrote it meticulously!) but I do care about being accused of Conflict of Interest.
"It's telling that you returned from a nearly one-month hiatus shortly after it was deleted, replaced the article, and then immediately went back on hiatus, almost as if you'd been prompted to do so, off-site" and "will delete the page and temporarily salt it against recreation. I have no particular objection if an uninvolved user wishes to recreate the article," you wrote.
No, it's not telling. It's very presumptuous of you when you know don't know anything about my life circumstances and it's hurtful and offensive to someone who spends as much time contributing (and removing vandalism, just cause I like to) as I do. (Not counting my month away, of course.) I don't even know what "salt it against recreation" means. I have Aspergers; I'm obsessive and sometimes I don't realize how things might come across. In any case, I was in a haze for a month so it wouldn't have mattered much even if I did realize that someone would think I had "Conflicts of Interest."
Again, I noticed that the article had been taken down which was baffling to me. It was very well-written (if you don't mind my saying so, I take pride in my work) and you even acknowledged that they were notable. Not to mention that it's a fascinating company because of their speedtrap tool...uh-oh, does my excitement, extreme curiosity and love for collecting & organizing information of every variety come across as "advertisement"? I am not being sarcastic here: Is that my problem? If it is I need to know.
My comments that I posted to you in response are reposted below since they are no longer on your talk page: "I don't get this. Look at my history please. I post articles about all sorts of things all the time. I've been very busy but am returning to Wikipedia now that life has slowed down again. (My brother had a tic where he was jutting his head out like a Chicken.) I am focused on this article because it got pulled which is upsetting to (I work hard on all of them) and also bizarre as they are obviously extremely notable. Please check my history before accusing me of a conflict of interest. I've have to have to have a personal reason to want to post many topics!! And a personal reason to want to clean up vandalism. This is an unfair and completely irrational accusation."
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- I'm sorry to hear about your family emergency, and hope all is well with you and yours. Likewise, my apologies for any offense caused; it's not intentional. I will emphasize that the protection is temporary (expires in a few days, in fact), and that I doubt I'll be taking any further action once that point comes. Beyond that, while I wish I could offer you a more comprehensive reply, I must defer to privacy concerns. – Luna Santin (talk) 09:38, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
Belated thanks...
[edit]...for the revert on my userpage. I won't leave a diff, for the obvious reason! GBT/C 07:32, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
- Indeed. :) – Luna Santin (talk) 09:44, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
Request for Unblock: Dubcrazy
[edit]Yes, he is one of my friends. I was not online when he made the edit, so I didn't even know about this situation until just right now. I think he deserves a second chance. Scholastic Opponent (talk) 04:10, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
- Ah, thanks for letting me know, and sorry for the stiff reaction. I'll have them unblocked in a moment. – Luna Santin (talk) 04:31, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
Thank you
[edit]Thanks for understanding. I hope I can establish my wikipedia reputation as a good user instead of an abusive one. :) DubCrazy (talk) 06:51, 22 July 2008 (UTC)DubCrazy
- I'll look forward to that. :) – Luna Santin (talk) 19:51, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
Vacation
[edit]I'm gone for vacation to France/Spain, and expected to be back during the end of August. I want to thank you for the many times you helped me out with questions and problems. And other random talks, and for your great weblog. With enough people like you one can go on a wikibreak knowing there will still be a wikipedia left after. Keep it up! =Species8473= (talk) 22:20, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
- Ah, I try to do some good. Can't solve every problem, but I can hopefully take care of my own plate and maybe help out a few others along the way. ;) Thanks for the compliments, I really appreciate them. Enjoy your trip! – Luna Santin (talk) 20:01, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
La Renaissance Apartments
[edit]If you have a look at the Talk:La Renaissance Apartments I believe I have a reasonable compromise. Let me know if that balances your desire to have the page deleted with my desire to write about some of the more significant structures in the city. This is the second article that I have written nominated for deletion in a two/three week period the other being Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Saskatoon Club. It leads me to question why I should be putting any time into contributing to this community/project. --M@sk (talk) 05:26, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
- Proposed deletion is intentionally a pretty gentle process -- any lone editor, even the article's creator, can typically remove the {{prod}} template before the five days are up, and even without any objections the article will only be deleted after independent review by an uninvolved administrator. For my part, I'm unsure of whether "tallest foo in bar" is a traditionally accepted notability criteria, but I'm more than willing to consider the idea. Is there more we can say about it, than what's currently there? If the most information available is its location and height, it may be appropriate to merge to the list itself (again, I'm open to other ideas). No offense was intended, and I very much do appreciate your good faith effort. – Luna Santin (talk) 19:58, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
Hey again
[edit]Hey Luna, if somebody deletes my work, does my edit still count as a contribution? Do all my edits have to still be in the articles? Because I understand that if I want to be an administrator, I need 1,000 edits (right?). So would it still count if some of my work is deleted? Thanks. DubCrazy (talk) 20:38, 23 July 2008 (UTC)DubCrazy
Hagger again, eh?
[edit]So, you've blocked User:HAGGER??, right? Judging from the edits, and the rap sheet, it appears as though the so-called hagger guy named Grawp isn't just one person, but a mob determined to disrupt wiki activity, with shock images and malware. Is it possible to use a username blacklist here in WP? God Bless and have a nice day... Blake Gripling (talk) 23:48, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
- Ditto. Just shot an e-mail your way whenever you have a chance. :) --PMDrive1061 (talk) 00:26, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
BTW, would you agree that "one trick pony" and "one note song" apply here? Have fun. You are a real benefit to this site. --PMDrive1061 (talk) 00:33, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
- One trick pony? He has a whole group of admirers! Most of the grawp-style vandalism edits are actually from impersonators. Enigma message 00:58, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
- I've read an article in Encyclopedia Dramatica about vandalism, and it had references to Grawp vandalism, and how to do it. I guess this, and the shock-site user account in ED, explains it. Does this qualify for cybercrime/system abuse? Blake Gripling (talk) 01:17, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
- Dunno, but it should. Can you believe the idiocy? --PMDrive1061 (talk) 01:34, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
- If it is, then would it be an FBI raid, ala-Operation Fastlink, much like what happens to warez groups? If the people responsible to this malicious wikiraid, such as "Resolute's **** is stretched by Grawp's massive ***k" isn't going to clean up their act, then would it be feasible to report them to the authorities? Blake Gripling (talk) 01:42, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
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Seems the fun has begun anew, eh? Kind of pathetic that all this idiot can do on a Friday night is vandalize this site. If this is the high point of his weekend, I doubt he's the sort of person who'd have much luck getting a date. Given the highly creative usernames he comes up with, I think he'd be happiest in a place like San Francisco. :)) Have a nice weekend. Really. --PMDrive1061 (talk) 00:42, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
- And can't we just have those so-called "HAGGER" vandals raided by the feds or their ISPs and have them blacklisted? It just goes to show that the Grawp mob, is what my father called a lunatic, or maybe a bunch of lunatics, that is... And I have another idea for my Grand Theft Jimbo joke... Blake Gripling (talk) 00:49, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
- Definitely a bunch of lunatics who get "epic lulz" from fart jokes, but I don't know if what the little boogers are doing is illegal per se. I surmise they've watched this site for a long time; I haven't been "Lucky 6.9" in quite some time and I'm downright proud of the contribs I made under that username. I'm not trying to hide that fact, but he seems to think he's "outing" me in some way. I repeat: He's a dweeb with no date on a Friday night and he's stuck on his one little gag ad infinitum. Poor, pathetic little boy. --PMDrive1061 (talk) 01:17, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
- Agreed. He, or they are a bunch of fools who are just stuck with an overused and malicious gag. I'm a parodist, but of course, I won't end up fooling around here in Wikipedia... Blake Gripling (talk) 01:21, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
Hey Luna, quick question if you know the answer -- what does it mean in the user creation log when it says "account created automatically" (as is the case with this particular kid). Never noticed that before. Antandrus (talk) 03:57, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
- SUL accounts created on other wikis don't exist here until the user visits this wiki. – Luna Santin (talk) 03:58, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
Hey, Luna! I would just like to congratulate you on your superb work on blocking and reverting those Grawp-type users for us! It's well-respected, and we've got lots of people starting to know about this kind of stuff. Anyways, I congratulate you (and others like User:NawlinWiki and User:Krimpet) for your hard work. SchfiftyThree 04:32, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
- Oh, I am loving this! The little sweetie took yet another stab at me, this time using a username accusing me of having nothing better to do on a Friday night! Frankly, I'm having fun. He is not. Nothing, and I mean nothing is better than getting under a vandal's skin. --PMDrive1061 (talk) 05:21, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
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- Thanks. Really most of the credit goes to the helpful editors who drew up the page from scratch, over time. :) – Luna Santin (talk) 10:19, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
Thank you very much for the unblock. I appreciate it greatly. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Raoulfgonzo (talk • contribs) 16:36, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
Hello, Luna Santin. This message is being sent to inform you that there currently is a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. --Edcolins (talk) 16:44, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
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[edit]Thanks for the heads up. IRC? KnightLago (talk) 22:16, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
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[edit]Thanks for the quick revert on my userpage. - Blake01 09:52, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
Great Power
[edit]The Great power discussion is more about accusation and less about constructive discussion. Until now no one has said why they oppose the inclusion of India into the great power list. Now what the mighty admin has to say. Do you want to misuse your rights and block me again.Chanakyathegreat (talk) 08:06, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
- Why is he starting this again? 08:34, 1 August 2008 talk page message. I have reverted this but I will leave this to others to continue as this will naturally happen... since he has shown that he will not stop. -- Phoenix (talk) 09:38, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
- Chanakyathegreat is a notoriously stubborn user who has shown a clear objective to push an patriotic Indian POV, has resorted to trollish behavior on the Talk page and has ignored all suggestions over a period of a few months by many users and admins. I'm not sure what needs to happen. The short blocks have not seemed to help. Nirvana888 (talk) 14:11, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for fixing my page.
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- Glad I could be helpful. :) – Luna Santin (talk) 21:02, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
Jake -Integrated Circuit Design
[edit]Why did you flag the Mentor Graphics IC Design user community as Spam ? http://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/IC_design This is use community for IC Design professionals. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.14.159.5 (talk)
- It's because of the fact that Wikipedia is not a link farm, nor you should just use it for promoting your site. And don't forget to put four tildes (~~~~) when you post something in a talk page. Blake Gripling (talk) 23:55, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
Swarley's name
[edit]Thanks for the headsup -- I've unblocked the user. Welcome back! NawlinWiki (talk) 22:21, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
- Thanks. :) – Luna Santin (talk) 03:38, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
Solar System
[edit]I noticed your edit, and would like your contribution to the talk page on Talk:Solar_System#New_List. -HarryAlffa (talk) 22:05, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
- Hm? My best guess is I reverted some vandalism, here, and you're messaging everybody who's edited (or edited recently). Appreciate the thought. – Luna Santin (talk) 03:38, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
Edit War on Historical powers
[edit]I reported the 3RR violations at the 3RR noticeboard with with no response. Can you look into this since more reverts have occurred since. Thanks -- Phoenix (talk) 04:23, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
- For some reason this is still being overlooked and they are continuing their edit war. Any chance you could give some assistance? -- Phoenix (talk) 05:50, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
- Ah, whoops, I forgot to look at this one. Semi-protected the page for two days (all recent warring seems to be by these anons), and left a few notices regarding use of talk pages, potential blocks for edit warring, all the fun jazz. – Luna Santin (talk) 05:58, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
- Thanks :-) should I update the 3RR notice or should I leave that to you since you were the admin that took action? -- Phoenix (talk) 06:14, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
- Hello? -- Phoenix (talk) 01:32, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
- Gah. I miss too many of these orange bars. x.x Left a note at AN3. – Luna Santin (talk) 01:35, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
- Hello? -- Phoenix (talk) 01:32, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
- Thanks :-) should I update the 3RR notice or should I leave that to you since you were the admin that took action? -- Phoenix (talk) 06:14, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
- Ah, whoops, I forgot to look at this one. Semi-protected the page for two days (all recent warring seems to be by these anons), and left a few notices regarding use of talk pages, potential blocks for edit warring, all the fun jazz. – Luna Santin (talk) 05:58, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for the help. But it seams that the ip addresses were for the registered users User:Offerpoint and User:The Ogre (though I am unsure if The Ogre really was one of the culprits) and the fight is still going on :-( Neither are using the talk page as they only seam to want to revert and leave mild insults in the comments. -- Phoenix (talk) 07:57, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
- <sigh> Just reported Offerpoint for a 3RR violation... Oh well. -- Phoenix (talk) 09:21, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
- I see they're already blocked; be careful not to get drawn into an edit war, yourself. – Luna Santin (talk) 15:12, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
Regarding what we did to Rogelio G. Maestrecampo Jr....
[edit]OK, so I brought back the speedy tag from the article again, after you reverted BaK51iva's revision (although we all agree that the latter user's a vandal. The reason? If you read the whole article, and did a little research, you'll notice that it's just plain vanity and non-notable, adding to the fact that the original author also made Jane lou gargaritano, another non-notable article. Ant thoughts on this? God Bless and have a nice day... Blake Gripling (talk) 08:21, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
- So long as you believe in good faith that the tagging was appropriate, that's good enough for me. :) Spot checked one or two at the time, and they didn't seem to match up, so I just reverted them all. If you see any others I might have been in error on, I can take a closer look at all of them. – Luna Santin (talk) 08:30, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
Dear Luna Santin
[edit]Can I delete our conversation about my block and my unblock request? Or do wikipedia admins need it? Well, please let me know. Contact me on my talk page, if you can, thanks. By the way, I am close to 100 contributions to wikipedia, pretty good start, eh? :)DubCrazy (talk) 17:45, 4 August 2008 (UTC)DubCrazy
- Replied on your talk, as requested. – Luna Santin (talk) 03:38, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
The revert
[edit]Thanks. I was wondering when that individual was going to show up again. Acalamari 01:58, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
- Wasn't sure who that was, but they certainly seem to be up to much good, yeah. – Luna Santin (talk) 03:38, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
Quick little thank you
[edit]I've released the autoblock at this time; apologies. It would not have been permanent, in any case, but as you mention it can be problematic to leave shared IPs blocked. – Luna Santin (talk) 03:29, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
- Thanks for taking care of this so quickly! MrZaiustalk 03:34, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
- Glad I could help out. :) Looks like the blocking admin accidentally set the autoblock, then reconfigured the block without autoblocking enabled... which unfortunately leaves the original autoblock still active. I left them a quick note about that, for their own reference. – Luna Santin (talk) 03:38, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
Recreated moments after you deleted it, with an attack in the edit summary. Thanks! Dayewalker (talk) 05:30, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
- And again. And below, for that matter. Dayewalker (talk) 05:31, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
- And again, for a fourth time, created the page. I've filed at AIV, also. Thanks! Dayewalker (talk) 05:43, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
- I'm thinking this may be a legit article, if we can fix it up. Could be wrong. – Luna Santin (talk) 05:45, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
- And again, for a fourth time, created the page. I've filed at AIV, also. Thanks! Dayewalker (talk) 05:43, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
attack page?
[edit]you must be smoking the crack
Hi, I see now that you had blocked this user by the time I wasted time WP:AGF pointing out how not to speedy articles! Isn't it the convention to put a note on talk pages when you block a user, partly for the benefit of other people who might be about to put warnings there? It would have been useful. Thanks, PamD (talk) 11:49, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
- Ah, sorry about that. They were a pretty obvious sockpuppet of another user I'd recently blocked, and I didn't think it would be necessary at the time. – Luna Santin (talk) 00:29, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
40 rvs in 1 minute
[edit]Very impressive, almost bot like. That kind of stuff can scare the hell out of a newbie aspiring to be something here on the wiki :P I know quickness is not everything but even i must say that was quite a treat, guess experience is everything. We're blessed to have you here on the wiki, may you keep it up for a long time to come. 137.154.16.30 (talk) 01:14, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
- When asked, I usually tell people that finding and identifying vandalism is far more challenging than cleaning it up, once found; rollback is a very useful tool, that way... though it does have its own problems. With this particular case, I asked around a bit, and most people did agree the other user was apparently tagging spuriously, but making such a major move is always nerve-wracking: what if I'm wrong? Anyhow, appreciate the note. :) If you're looking for ways to get more involved, the community portal isn't a bad place to start, I don't think. – Luna Santin (talk) 01:43, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
On Email
[edit]Dear Luna Santin, thank you for your message. The reason that I have disabled my e-mail on Wikipedia is my fundamental desire for not having behind-the-doors conversations with Wikipedians. I am an advocate of openness in all aspects of life and thus believe that all conversations pertaining to Wikipedia must take place on Wikipedia pages. I hope that you can have understanding for my standpoint. If you wish to tell me something, please do not hesitate and place your message on my talk page. With kind regards, --BF 03:37, 6 August 2008 (UTC).
Aquiline or Hooknose?
[edit]The main page should be Aquiline nose, not Hooknose. "Hooknose" should redirect to "Aquiline nose". First because the expression "aquiline nose" is much more used in history and literature, and it's more accurate. "Hooknose" is not even a real word, and it is used in the context of racial slur. 201.41.192.76 (talk) 04:25, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
- My objection to the move is purely procedural: simply put, we do not move pages by mere cut-and-paste, because doing so violates the terms of our licensing (specifically, the GFDL); instead, we prefer to use our move function whenever possible. I'll perform a "history merge" in a moment, to move the page properly. – Luna Santin (talk) 04:36, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
- Done; perhaps I should have done that from the start, but I wasn't entirely sure as to the move rationale, at first. Thanks for your time. – Luna Santin (talk) 04:45, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
- Thank you. 201.41.192.76 (talk) 04:50, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
- Done; perhaps I should have done that from the start, but I wasn't entirely sure as to the move rationale, at first. Thanks for your time. – Luna Santin (talk) 04:45, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
Luna Santin encourages!
[edit]Thankyou for the encouragement! Andvd (talk) 10:54, 6 August 2008 (UTC)Andvd
COUNTER STRIKE SOURCE
[edit]Do you play any online games? such as this one? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Buzza69 (talk • contribs) 12:41, 9 August 2008 (UTC) --Buzza69 (talk) 13:02, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
- I play a number of similar games, yes. Bit more of an Unreal Tournament fanatic, though. Or my old favorite, Starsiege: Tribes. :) – Luna Santin (talk) 13:06, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
Checkuser Question
[edit]On my checkuser I didn't add a letter as I wasn't sure which one to add (first checkuser I have ever requested). In the future, what do I add as a letter? Thanks...NeutralHomer • Talk 00:18, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
- Ah, I wouldn't worry too much about it. :) There's a table at the top of WP:RFCU that lists them in detail, if you're curious. Used to be a big deal, but not so much, lately. These days, I guess they're mainly a hint to which checks are more likely to be run than others. The important thing is getting a request submitted, and hopefully summarizing the rationale (which usually means describing the abuse/problem); the rest is just paperwork. You did fine, I think. – Luna Santin (talk) 00:26, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
- Cool! Hopefully I won't have to do too many of them, but for next time I will learn the "letters". Take Care and Have a Great Week...NeutralHomer • Talk 00:30, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
- You, too. :) If all else fails, G is a popular choice. – Luna Santin (talk) 00:35, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
- Cool! Hopefully I won't have to do too many of them, but for next time I will learn the "letters". Take Care and Have a Great Week...NeutralHomer • Talk 00:30, 11 August 2008 (UTC)