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Merging Uttaranchal
Hi, you have repeatedly undone others' redirecting of Uttaranchal to Uttarakhand. Please discuss on Talk:Uttarakhand why you believe two separate articles should exist, since (as I've pointed out) we generally don't have multiple articles on multiple names of the same entity: e.g. Bombay redirects to Mumbai and Madras redirects to Chennai. The article in fact claimed that Uttaranchal was a "historic" region which was "disestablished" in 2007 — if you can find such a reference (all I can find is that the same state was renamed), I'd like to see it. Regards, Shreevatsa (talk) 18:45, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
- I'm going to stop watching this page, assuming you agree and won't do it again. Regards, Shreevatsa (talk) 06:45, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
salam
salamun alaikum,janab i,am moulana syed irfan mahdi zaidi ,from qum ,iran i want to talk you pls give me your contact no. my email id is simz_110@yahoo.com.irfanmahdi.z@gmail.com thank you allah hafiz ya ali madad —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.86.75.26 (talk) 07:47, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
File:Funeral of Ayatollah Montazeri.jpg
Hi Surena! You have uploaded an image: 
on wikipedia. can you provide details of ulema in th photograph, i.e. who they are? --Faizhaider (بحث) ۲ دسامبر ۲۰۱۰، ساعت ۱۳:۵۷ (UTC)
- hi! sorry for late, I know only name of ayat-ollah amini (Ebrahim Amini) on this image (he sit second chair from left to right in image) --►Surena/Discussion)21 Dey 1389-- 14:02, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
- Hi Surena! Thanks for the info. do you know anybody who can give full info. --Faizhaider (بحث) ۱۲ ژانویهٔ ۲۰۱۱، ساعت ۰۶:۲۸ (UTC)
The Man in center is Seyyed Mohammad Mousavi Bojnourdi, The father of Hassan Khomeini's wife and a reformist Faqīh.--همان (talk) 21:39, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
- Hi Haman! Thanks for the info. I hope Surena got in touch with you over this. Now we have two names of the five chaired people in the image: Funeral of Ayatollah Montazeri.jpg, Ebrahim Amini (second from left to right) and Seyyed Mohammad Mousavi Bojnourdi (in the centre). Regarding Seyyed Mohammad Mousavi, is he Bojnourdi or Bourjourdi? Do you know anybody who can supply names of rest of three mu'am'mah. Thanks. --Sayed Mohammad Faiz Haidertcs 06:10, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
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When did Ghazi-ud-Din Haider become King of Awadh ?
Dear Faizader,
I noticed that in the additions you made on the wiki page concerning Ghazi-ud-Din Haider, you added the information that he ended being Nawab of Awadh and became King of Awadh on 19 October 1818. And yet in other books I have come across the year of the assumption of Kingship is given as 1819. Indeed in note 2 of the wiki article there is a link to a website where the date of the assumption of Kingship is given as 8 October 1819. Also in the text of the wiki article (written by someone else) the date is also given as 1819 with reference to Lord Cornwallis. I wonder therefore if the date of 1818 that you give can be right ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.14.223.210 (talk) 14:58, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
When did Ghazi-ud-Din Haider become King of Awadh ?
Dear Faizader,
I noticed that in the additions you made on the wiki page concerning Ghazi-ud-Din Haider, you added the information that he ended being Nawab of Awadh and became King of Awadh on 19 October 1818. And yet in other books I have come across the year of the assumption of Kingship is given as 1819. Indeed in note 2 of the wiki article there is a link to a website where the date of the assumption of Kingship is given as 8 October 1819. Also in the text of the wiki article (written by someone else) the date is also given as 1819 with reference to Lord Cornwallis. I wonder therefore if the date of 1818 that you give can be right ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.14.223.210 (talk) 15:18, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
correction to when did Ghazi-ud-din Haider become king
correction I meant Lord Hastings and not Lord Corwallis —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.14.223.210 (talk) 15:24, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
Reply
If you read the article in detail & with attention, you'll find that date of 1818 is referenced while date of 1819 is unreferenced. Here are few references which mention date of 1819:
date of 1819 may be result of conversion of Hijri year 1234 into Gregorian year as in 1834 AH two CE years fell i.e. 1818 AD & 1819 AD. --Sayed Mohammad Faiz Haidertcs 18:54, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
- Dear Faizhaider
- Thank-you so very much for your reply. I have looked through the links more carefully, and I would like to suggest that perhaps the coronation may have taken place in 1819. In note 2 in the wikipedia entry on Ghazi-ud-Din Haider there is a link to a website called princely states of India, there immediately at the beginning we have the information "8 October 1819 The ruler takes the style of padshah (king) signaling formal independence". This I believe could be the correct date. BUT THEN lower down under "Kings" we find "19 October 1818 -19 October 1827" as the dates for the Kingship of Ghazi-ud-Din Haider, and I think the compiler of the website made an error here writting 19 October 1818 when he meant to say 8 October 1819, which would be consistent with the information that is given by him earlier. In a book, which I have in front of me, which discusses Awadh, called "India's Fabled City the Art of Courtly Lucknow" by Stephen Markel and Tushara Bindu Gude, 2010, Los Angeles County Museum of Art, in the Bibliography there is the following: M.H. Fisher, "The Imperial Coronation of 1819: Awadh, the British and the Mughals" Modern Asian Studies, 19:2 (1985): 239-77. It would appear, then, that the coronation took place in 1819 and not 1818. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.14.223.210 (talk) 21:23, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
- Dear IPuser 86.14.223.210 (Sorry for IP address usage but I don't have anything else to address you e.g. name, etc),
- Thanks for the reference, ""India's Fabled City the Art of Courtly Lucknow" by Stephen Markel and Tushara Bindu Gude, 2010, Los Angeles County Museum of Art, in the Bibliography there is the following: M.H. Fisher, "The Imperial Coronation of 1819: Awadh, the British and the Mughals" Modern Asian Studies, 19:2 (1985): 239-77."
- If you'll refer List of Nawabs of Awadh, there you will see "08 Oct 1819 - The ruler takes the style of padshah (king), signaling formal independence." mentioned. Now, I don't rememnber from where I got that piece of info as there is no ref provided there (I usually don't omit reference but some how I missed to provide one at that place).
- It seems we need some research on the issue as there seems some confusion over the actual date. I myself have a history book History of Awadh specifically dealing with Nawabs of Awadh, although it is in Hindi but it can serve the purpose but I don't have that book with me at present and will get to lay hand on it once I visit my native place and hopefully I'll be there in two weeks time. Meanwhile you may pass any other reference info (it'll be better if its an web version as its easy to access and verify).
- Thanks, again.--Sayed Mohammad Faiz Haidertcs 04:08, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
- Dear Faizhaider,
- Thank-you so much for your reply. When you give the link to the Wiki page List of Nawabs of Awadh, with the date of "8 October 1819 -The ruler takes the style of padshah (king), signaling formal independence", I think you will find your source was the website which is given in note 2 of the wikipage on Ghazi-ud-Din Haider. That same website ALSO then goes on to give WRONGLY the date of 27 October 1818 as the commencement of the Kingship of Ghazi-ud-Din Haider. sincerely JOHN —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.14.223.210 (talk) 11:30, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
- Dear John,
- This may be the case (infact same phrasing of words indicate that it is the case), there is scarcity of online source over this matter and most of them are non-academic and contradictory in nature. At time we editors just forget rule of RS (i.e. Reliable third party sources which preferably should be academic in nature) in our quest for online info & references. --Sayed Mohammad Faiz Haidertcs 16:19, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
Dear Faizhaider,
I looked up the article by M.H. Fisher quoted here above and on p. 261 is the following ".. for the coronation ceremony, Ghazi al-Din Hayder set the date for the eighteenth of Zi al-Hijja, 1235 H. or the ninth of October 1819, a Saturday. This day is significant to Shi'ites because on that day, at Ghadir al-Khumm, a depression located between Mecca and Medina, the Prophet Muhammud paused during his last pilgrimage. The Shi'ites believe that he then revealed to his assembled companions that 'Ali, triply related to him, was to be the first Imam and his true political successor. Ghazi al-Din Hayder apparently chose this day to emphasise the identification he sought as the true, Shi'i sovereign and the Sunni, and therefore illigitimate, nature of the soverignty of the Mughals." If you like you can send me an email to johndavincent@yahoo.com and I will send you some attchments regarding this and also the other matters I discussed. sincerely 86.14.223.210 (talk) 09:55, 17 February 2011 (UTC)John
- I'll be definitely interested in the attachments & other matters you referred to during talk at my page on WP. I tried to mail you on the address you provided (johndavincent@yahoo.com) but it bounced back. :( --Sayed Mohammad Faiz Haidertcs 19:53, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
- Hello Faizhaider
- I realize I should have put johndavincent@yahoo.co.uk - it appears that that is what it is still registered as even though when I log in nowadays from somwhere new they want me to put com and not co.uk at the end. sinerely 86.14.223.210 (talk) 20:53, 18 February 2011 (UTC) John
- Dear Faizhaider
- Did you try the email address as amended ? Nothing has come through from you. Sincerely 86.14.223.210 (talk) 18:47, 5 March 2011 (UTC) John
George Duncan Beechey was at Lucknow after Gazi-ud-Din Haider's death
Dear Faizhaider, I was just reading through the Wikipedia article on Ghazi-ud-Din Haider and I noticed an incongruity. Namely that the artist George Duncan Beechey was appointed as court artist by Ghazi-ud-Din Haider after 1828, and yet this king of Awadh died in 1827. So I googled "George Duncan Beechey" and came across "Portraits of the Nawabs Images from Lucknow Court 1775-1856" which is a google reprint of a magazine article, and there on note 8, I found the information that George Duncan Beeckey came to Lucknow in 1835 and stayed there till his death, which was in 1852. I am sorry I dont know how to put in a direct link here but if you just google "Portraits of the Nawabs" this should come up as first. sincerely 86.14.223.210 (talk) 22:32, 20 January 2011 (UTC) JOHN
George Duncan Beechey was at Lucknow after Gazi-ud-Din Haider's death
Dear Faizhaider, I was just reading through the Wikipedia article on Ghazi-ud-Din Haider and I noticed an incongruity. Namely that the artist George Duncan Beechey was appointed as court artist by Ghazi-ud-Din Haider after 1828, and yet this king of Awadh died in 1827. So I googled "George Duncan Beechey" and came across "Portraits of the Nawabs Images from Lucknow Court 1775-1856" which is a google reprint of a magazine article, and there on note 8, I found the information that George Duncan Beeckey came to Lucknow in 1835 and stayed there till his death, which was in 1852. I am sorry I dont know how to put in a direct link here but if you just google "Portraits of the Nawabs" this should come up as first. sincerly 86.14.223.210 (talk) 22:43, 20 January 2011 (UTC) JOHN
- Dear John,
- That is quiet intresting point. Now I really need that History book which I mentioned but will have to wait till Feb 01, ten more days. Meanwhile you may get more startling things about Ghazi-ud-Din Haider's. BTW you can post web-link of google search you made regarding portrait (the address which appears while you are on first page of the search results). And you may pass other source info also. Why don't you make an account on wikipedia, then few things will become easy for you. Anyways, thanks for all the efforts you are putting up and including me in it.--Sayed Mohammad Faiz Haidertcs 01:46, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
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Additions of name to List of Ayatollahs
Hi, recently you have aded few names to India section of List of Ayatollahs. All of this GAs added by you are related to Jamiul-Uloom Jawadia i.e. Madarsa-e-Jawwadia of Benares. Can you provide any reference which lists these people as Grand-Ayatollah/Ayatolla/Mujtahids/Faqih/Aalim/Allamah/etc.because I have been trying to find any reference for this since few years. basically I was searching a refernce (basically online one) for Zangipuri branch of ulemas, specially for Moulvi Jawwad & Dawood but was unable to find any RS for this. It seems you have access to some book or other hard source which mentions their name. Or is it by your personal knowledge that you have added their name? In any case I'll be happy to hear from you, expecting a response. --Sayed Mohammad Faiz Haidertcs 06:48, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
- Salam-----------!
- please! consult the book "DURR-e-MANSOOR dar Halaat-e-Ulama-e-Zangipur (for the biographies of your wanted Ulama's) and find out the research work of Dr.Inayet Ali on the life of Jawad-ul-Ulama Maulana Syed Ali Jawad (r.a.) from Aligarh Muslim University and the booklet 'Haqnuma' for other details from Jamia-e-Imania,Banaras. thanx!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aacimania (talk • contribs) 07:06, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
- Walekum Salam! Thnks for quick reply. It seems you have access to the books you mentioned. Can you give exact tiltle, author/compiler, publishing information (e.g. publisher, year, where, etc) and page numbers mentioning thse ulema for all those you have mentioned in the list or those I have asked for. Also, there is formating standard on the list, we link names and not tiltles until titles supecede name e.g. Ghufra'maab; so, pleae follow that convention. Thanks & Was'salam. --Sayed Mohammad Faiz Haidertcs 07:25, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
- w a salam-----------!
- may i know some thing more about you please? i am right now abroad, i mean out side of my country, i will be back to india in the last week of february, then i can give you all the details and references tyhat you need, also you may contact me directly on my e-mail id: zeenbee@yahoo.com khuda hafiz--!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aacimania (talk • contribs) 07:34, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
- I was going to ask same question about you :)
- I'm from India, UP, Barabanki and currently located in Bangalore. What about you?
- --Sayed Mohammad Faiz Haidertcs 07:46, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
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Hi, and very good day, it was by mistake i edited ur page, i appologize for that, i was confused in article, actually i am new to WP so i am learning to maintain the account. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Omer123hussain (talk • contribs) 09:00, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
- Hi, I didn't get the reason for your Apology. As per logs I can't see that you edited any of my pages. What was the apology all about? Please respond on my talk page. --Sayed Mohammad Faiz Haidertcs 09:10, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
- i was reading your comment on Shia Islam, discuss page, and i wanted to write in that responce and by mistake i clicked ur user and instead of writing on discuss page, i was about to write in your user page edit column, hope its clear now , sorry to bother you.. --Omer123hussain (talk) 09:16, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
- OK! Anyways little talk doesn't harms anyone. Keep going and happy editing. --Sayed Mohammad Faiz Haidertcs 09:39, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
Number of Fatima
Faiz could you specify the reason to revert the addition of fatima number among the children of prophet Mohammed--Omer123hussain (talk) 10:55, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
- Regarding, Fatimah (being sole daughter or not), see Genealogy of Khadijah's Daughters. As far as Shi’as are concerned they believe that Hazrat Mohammed SAWA had one daughter (Bibi Fatima Zahra (SA)) and one son (Qasim ibn Muhammad AKA Abd-Allah ibn Muhammad). Unfortunately Hazrat Mohammed SAWA’s son (Qasim ibn Muhammad AKA Abd-Allah ibn Muhammad) died in an early age. And because of that the Shi’as believe that Hazrat Mohammed SAWA’s family extended from the family of Imam Ali (AS) and Bibi Fatima Zahra (SA) children. Tabatabaei's book "Shia Islam" p. 191 calls Fatima, the prophet's "sole beloved daughter". But I think we should just be inclusive and mention all theories. Like for example "X says this and Y says that". And atleast we can spare lede from the topic which is not accepted by all parties. --Sayed Mohammad Faiz Haidertcs 11:13, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
- in this regards as a senior editor in WP you should mention the reason for reverting the edits, I hope there is some policy WP is following for reverting the edits and it applies to every person senior or fresher.
- Second point: if this article is about some person who is inspiration for multi sects, why not update with the perspective according to both X and Y point of view, as far i understand WP allows it. it will provide the complete information to the viewers. as what is done with the articles Like , jesus, moses and etc, please advice for further..--Omer123hussain (talk) 11:32, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
- in this regards as a senior editor in WP you should mention the reason for reverting the edits, I hope there is some policy WP is following for reverting the edits and it applies to every person senior or fresher.
- Regretfully revert option does not have provision to provide reason.
- Second point: I have already said, "I think we should just be inclusive and mention all theories. Like for example "X says this and Y says that". " but I also said, "we can spare lede from the topic which is not accepted by all parties".
- --Sayed Mohammad Faiz Haidertcs 12:55, 27 April 2011 (UTC)