User talk:Ergateesuk

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Welcome to Wikipedia, Ergateesuk! I am Mm40 and have been editing Wikipedia for quite some time. I just wanted to say hi and welcome you to Wikipedia! If you have any questions, feel free to leave me a message on my talk page or by typing {{helpme}} at the bottom of this page. I love to help new users, so don't be afraid to leave a message! I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:

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Thanks for the welcome Mm40. No questions at present, and thanks for the invite. --Ergateesuk (talk) 21:22, 21 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Re: Zimbabwe

I was debating whether to describe the description of Zimbabwe's shape as POV or not. I use POV on Wikipedia only to describe things I would view as non-NPOV, and I felt it was difficult to decide whether it was a POV comment or not. Describing it as original research (without a referencing article and noting that Wikipedia isn't meant to be a primary source) might have been more accurate and I apologise for describing your input as junk. palfrey (talk) 11:50, 24 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Scottish Christian Party

Based on the lack of recent content on your talk page, it seems you may be just returning to Wikipedia. If so, welcome back! I do not want to discourage your contributing in any way. However, I had to undo your adding of the Scottish Christian Party to the Christian democracy (CD) templates. The templates do not list individual or particular parties, but link to the list, where the parent UK party is already listed. I do question whether it is necessarily a CD party. It is socially conservative alright, extremely so; but I saw no economic progressivism. Perhaps I missed something. Please let me know. Feel free to discuss. If you respond on your talk page, please let me know on my talk page. My watchlist has too many pages to be useful. Thanks. -- Guðsþegn (talk) 04:55, 14 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks,Guðsþegn.

I added it because there are other political parties in Template:Christian Democracy such as the European Democratic Party and the European People's Party. I notice that both here and in Template:Christian democracy sidebar you removed the Scottish Christian Party but you left the European People's Party and the European Democratic Party. Why did you leave these ones here?

As to whether the SCP is a CD party, the definition under List of Christian democratic parties is: "Christian democratic parties are those political parties that seek to apply Christian principles to public policy." The SCP manifestly fits this definition. Ergateesuk (talk) 18:02, 17 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding those other parties (EDP and EPP), those are regional Europe-wide parties that are composed of many member parties. The SCP (or rather the CP-UK) has just as much prominence on the lists (template and list article) as the much larger German CDU. So don't feel slighted. The template list of parties is made to link to lists of parties. If we put every national CD party on the template (currently none are), then the template would consume the page. It's just not feasible, or particularly useful.

Regarding whether the SCP is CD or not. It may or may not be. It is currently on the list. However that definition you cited is really inadequate because there is a whole historical and political philosophy behind Christian democracy, that may or may not be being advocated in any significant degree by the SCP. -- Guðsþegn (talk) 18:32, 17 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Wikipedia and copyright

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Hi Tony,

Thanks for your feedback. I thought it had been cited sufficiently by giving a general reference https://banneroftruth.org/uk/about/banner-authors/john-macleod/ as my source for some of the article, but it simply gave User:Primefac scope for wholesale deletion of what took me several hours to check out and create. Mine was no 'cut and paste' job. I notice that he removed the references to the publications, which I have restored manually as I do not have a facility with the computer programmes that 'cut and remove' other people's work so easily.

It would have been easy to add the citations but I was given no time to do so before whole paragraphs were removed.

It is a bit rich removing them from my Sandbox where I had stored it as a template for improvement and for doing more articles. I will certainly not use my Sandbox for storing information in the future. I thought it was more or less personal and I am surprised to discover that material can be completely obliterated from it. I have neither the time nor inclination to recreate what is now completely lost. This is a discouragement to anyone beginning a new article. The cavalier removal of someone's work is not conducive to encouragement. It means that in future I will begin small, with a sentence or two, instead of trying to be comprehensive.

The 'correction' from Free Church of Scotland to Free Church of Scotland is no correction; the original citation was deliberate, to demonstrate the different stages of the Free Church of Scotland.

In the meanwhile I have added citations to what remains of Primefac's hatchet job.

Now I might find time to read through all the links you have kindly supplied me. Is it possible to recover what has been obliterated? Ergateesuk (talk) 20:26, 10 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, Ergsteesuk. Hope you are doing well. Unfortunately the work that was removed was either directly copied and pasted or it was so close a paraphrase as to constitute an obvious copyright violation. Simply citing the source is not enough: you need to summarize the content in your own words. When you post something on Wikipedia, before you save you certify that it is licensed under CC-BY-SA 3.0 and GDFL (see the disclaimer above the the save button). This is true for all pages, including your sandbox The content you added does not note its license status, so under the current copyright law and Wikipedia policy, it is assumed copyright. I'll ping Primefac so he is aware of this reply and can comment as well if he likes.

I'm not sure about the correction you are referring to, other than assessing for copyright, I only made minor formatting changes, and if I did something else unintentionally, feel free to revert it. TonyBallioni (talk) 21:11, 10 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hi TonyBallioni, Is there some way that I can at least look at what was deleted so that I can rework and cite it properly? I had a whole section on his Academic career corresponding to the current Ministerial career, and references to his time Inverness which were certainly not breaches of copyright, but it has been removed wholesale. Ergateesuk (talk) 21:18, 10 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

You would have to ask Primefac about a restoration, I am not an admin so I do not have the tools to compare what was and wasn't removed with the source text. From what I remember, everything that was removed was either copyrighted or so interwoven with copyrighted material that it would have been impossible to not remove and make the page copyright compliant. Under those circumstances, we do not ordinarily restore content. Primefac might be willing to review the material again, however. TonyBallioni (talk) 22:15, 10 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks TonyBallioni, I will contact Primefac. I am glad that you suggest that some consideration is given to making it copyright compliant; meanwhile I have had to modify what remains to make it 'common sense' compliant. Ergateesuk (talk) 22:26, 10 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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I don't have time to read all that. I was highlighting that there is a need for an article on this subject, and I expect other Wikipedians with more skill and time on their hands to tidy up what is necessary. Wikipedia is meant to be a collaborative effort. Why should I donate to it any more?

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The page asked for references to be supplied and they were supplied on 17 May 2021, the day after it was moved to draft. I have submitted it for review again.Ergateesuk (talk) 22:27, 1 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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