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Your submission at Articles for creation

You recently made a submission to Articles for Creation. Your article has been reviewed and because some issues were found, it could not be accepted in its current form; it is now located at Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Patrick E. McGovern. Please view your submission to see the comments left by the reviewer. Feel free to edit the submission to address the issues raised, and resubmit once you feel they have been resolved. (You can do this by adding the text {{subst:AFC submission/submit}} to the top of the article.) Thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia! Hallows AG (talk) 21:35, 23 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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As I understand it, we need to include in-line references for this entry to be accepted by Wikipedia. Is anything else needed? Will it go through another review process?

Because I wasn't sure how to proceed, a shorter version was also submitted. The longer version is much-preferred.

Please advise as to how best to proceed.

Many thanks, William Pepper

You do need inline references, but these references should support Notability. At present, I don't see anything in the draft to indicate that he is notable. In addition the sentence In the popular imagination, he is known as the “Indiana Jones of Ancient Ales, Wines, and Extreme Beverages.” is problematic. At a minimum, it requires a reference, but it is hard to imagine a reference which would contend that this is true, so it may need to be reworded, if an appropriate reference is found. Otherwise, it will have to go.

Does he have an publications which appear in refereed journals? This will help, although discussion of such work will be even more help.--SPhilbrick (Talk) 20:49, 27 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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I have familiarized myself much more with the ins and outs of Wikipedia, and edited the article close to a final version, I believe.

It should be noted that Patrick E. McGovern is very notable, having been listed in Who's Who in America. He has written or edited ten books and over 150 articles, most of which have been peer-reviewed. His book on Ancient Wine won the prestigious Grand-prix in Histoire, Littérature et Beaux-arts from the Organisation Internationale de la Vigne et du Vin (OIV) in Paris, the principal wine organization of the world. Uncorking the Past won an award from the Archaeological Institute of America, the largest such organization in the U.S. He lectures widely at museums and institutions in the U.S. and around the world. Recently, he gave the opening night address at the annual meeting of the Archaeological Institute of America in Philadelphia, a distinct honor. He is a consultant on many archaeological and scientific projects. He is a pioneer of the interdisciplinary field of Biomolecular Archaeology. He has been a visiting scholar and taught at many universities, including Penn. His work has been extensively profiled in popular outlets, e.g., see the July-Aug. issue of the Smithsonian magazine, Brew Masters on the Discovery Channel, etc.

I can certainly add more details to the write-up along these lines or others, if that will be helpful.

One problem that I did run into and couldn't solve was how to link to a non-Wikipedia entry or a Wikipedia entry when the title as such was not used in the article. I did discover a way around this by placing the weblink in square brackets after the text in the article, which produced another series of footnotes separate from the reference list. See Iran and Kavaklidere in the text for examples. Maybe, there's a better way to handle this?

Many thanks, William Pepper

Help

On Wikipedia, add either section

==Further reading== or ==See also==

Off Wikipedia,

==External links==

Cheers. Dru of Id (talk) 03:35, 3 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Thanks for the help in citing some additional Wikipedia and non-Wikipedia links; I decided to use See also.

What is the next step in the process--a review and decision on whether the article is suitable now for Wikipedia?

Cheers, William Pepper

By using the down arrow next to the 'Search' box, you prompt the 'Move' option. Consider adding the {{AFC submission}} template at the very top, then moving it to Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Patrick McGovern (archeologist) (or /Patrick E. McGovern) for review (there are currently 417 awaiting review, and 200~400+ are reviewed daily), or (not recommended), (no template) directly into article space Patrick McGovern (archeologist)/Patrick E. McGovern. Note that Patrick McGovern is what we call a disambiguation page, where he would be included, which allows readers to choose their destination. The article will be reviewed by a New Page Patroller (NPP), and may be propsed for deletion (I think this would be declined) or may be submitted for a deletion discussion (which take a week or more). Stay calm, many editors will look it over, apply 'Wikification' formatting, categories, and help improve it. At worst, you can request it be returned ('Userfication'), and improve it without time pressures. Dru of Id (talk) 19:15, 12 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

There may be copyright concerns with [1]. Dru of Id (talk) 19:21, 12 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Re: Patrick E. McGovern

This Smithsonian article refers to him as "the world’s foremost expert on ancient fermented beverages".^[1]

This should meet 1/2 of the notability concerns; other available references should more than meet the rest, showing coverage in multiple independent sources. Initially, less is more: pick the most important detail from each source, understating so that the importance isn't lost in the volume.

The reference is formatted: <ref>{{cite web |url= http://www.smithsonianmag.com/history-archaeology/The-Beer-Archaeologist.html |title= The Beer Archaeologist: By analyzing ancient pottery, Patrick McGovern is resurrecting the libations that fueled civilization |author= Abigail Tucker |date= August 2011 |work= ''[[Smithsonian (magazine)|Smithsonian]]'' magazine |publisher= [[Smithsonian Institution]] |location= www.smithsonianmag.com |accessdate= March 13, 2012}}</ref>

References

^ Abigail Tucker (August 2011). "The Beer Archaeologist: By analyzing ancient pottery, Patrick McGovern is resurrecting the libations that fueled civilization". Smithsonian magazine. www.smithsonianmag.com: Smithsonian Institution. Retrieved March 13, 2012. {{cite web}}: Italic or bold markup not allowed in: |work= (help)

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Dear Wikipedia editor,

I have gone through and structured the external links, and double-checked them. I can also add more quotes from each article to elucidate the contents and highlight the notability of Patrick E. McGovern. Formal permission for the photograph can be provided, if desired.

Please advise on any other improvements or editing needed.

Cheers, William Pepper

Are you referring to Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Patrick E. McGovern? If so, the content you have written at your user page has not been submitted for anything. Shearonink (talk) 20:45, 20 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Imaging instructions

Further up on this page, you mentioned that you did not have permission for the photo of Dr. McGovern in your working draft (presently located on your userpage) . Yes, you wil lneed to get written permission for its use. To use a picture on Wikipedia, we need permission from whoever owns it.

If it is your OWN picture - then you can just upload it yourself, at "Commons", saying "It is entirely my own work" - at http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Upload .
If it is NOT YOURS, then the owner can give permission in two ways;

A) They could put it on a website (flickr, or their own site) with an appropriate licence, such as "Public Domain" or "Creative Commons Attribution Share-Alike" (that is an option in flickr)

B) They could email us permission. You could ask them to do that, by sending them an email saying something like:

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-Then add a copy of this: http://enwp.org/user:chzz/help/myboilerplate (having filled the form out)

-And send the email (attached picture file + completed form) to: permissions-commons@wikimedia.org

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Hope this helps, Shearonink (talk) 20:49, 20 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation

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Thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia! Shearonink (talk) 16:07, 21 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I am so sorry that I had to delete your AfC submission, but you must understand...Wikipedia takes copyright very seriously. If Dr. McGovern wishes to release his copyright to the material in question then you need to consult Declaration of consent for all inquiries. If you need further assistance with this process, please ask User:Alpha_Quadrant on their talkpage. Alpha is a very experienced editor with various AfC issues and will be able to help you with the entire process. Don't despair that all your hard work is lost, nothing ever seems to get really thrown away around Wikipedia. Shearonink (talk) 16:16, 21 March 2012 (UTC) {{helpme}} Dear Shearonink or other editor,[reply]

I'm still confused: do you need a declaration of consent from the photographer of the figure showing Dr. McGovern (i.e., Pam Kosty) or from Dr. McGovern himself or both? I can easily arrange for either or both of those consents.

Thank you for your encouragement in a difficult procedure for a first-time submitter.

Cheers, William Pepper

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Now, the contribution has been blocked, and I cannot access it by hitting edit at the top of the page.

Please advise, William Pepper

Drwilliampepper - I am sorry that your first endeavor has been so difficult. The reason that your draft was deleted is because a large amount of the text in your submission came from a page at a website that Dr. McGovern holds the copyright on. In order for this content to be re-used on Wikipedia, two Declarations of consent for all inquiries must be filled out and emailed - one for re-use of the text and one for re-use of the image (which has a notice as being from the Penn Museum) - please follow the instructions at the Declarations page. You can also get additional help from our volunteers at the Wikipedia Editing Help Channel. I hope this post starts to answers some of your questions and I will see what I can do about possibly getting the content restored. Shearonink (talk) 22:23, 22 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

You can also get some assistance from User:Alpha_Quadrant on their talkpage. Shearonink (talk) 23:41, 22 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Shearonink

Many thanks for advising me on the additional permissions that are needed for the Patrick E. McGovern article, and I hope that you are able to provide me with access to it again for editing.

The permissions should be arriving shortly: what email address should be used for you, so that you alerted to them?

I appreciate the thought but I am not a part of OTRS(the permissions folks), I'm just an interested editor who is trying to help you shepherd your material through the system, it is not really necessary for me to be notified. I have the material on my 'Watchlist' so if there are any posts on your talkpage about it or if the text is restored I should be notified. (By the way, it is not necessary for you to post both on my talk and yours, one talk page is sufficient.)

Hopefully the wheels are now turning for your draft on Dr. McGovern, I do not know what the possible timeline might be. You will need to keep an eye on your talk page and on whatever email address you have enabled for Wikipedia contact (it should show up on the left of your user talk page as "Email this user"). I think that your talk page or your email is where you will get any notices about the content's permissions being accepted and also about how to proceed.

If you are interested, it is easy to put a page on your Watchlist. See the empty star up at the top of any Wikipedia page? Click on it, it turns blue and you have just added that page to your Watchlist, now every time someone edits that page you will get a notice at your Watchlist. You can access the changes to your Watchlist by clicking on the words "My watchlist" up in the right-hand corner of the Wikipedia page. Shearonink (talk) 15:52, 26 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Shearonink

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I received a message from ChzzBot IV that I need inline references. But the original submission included numerous inline refs., which now have been deleted. How do I get back to the original version? Sorry to cause you so many problems...

Best, William Pepper

You aren't causing problems, these things just sometimes take time. I only see one ChzzBot IV Notice on this talkpage and that is dated November 2011. (By the way, the OTRS process can take a week or so.) Shearonink (talk) 18:32, 27 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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I see now where you are correct--patience is needed...

Thank you for your advice.

Cheers, Wm. Pepper

No problem. Shearonink (talk) 23:08, 27 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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I believe that the permissions for the use of text and illustration for the Patrick E. McGovern article have been sent out and should have been received by the editors. It's been more than 2 weeks for the review, so I'm wondering how much longer it might take?; I cannot access the article until then, so cannot make any other changes.

Thanks for any advice. Cheers, Wm. Pepper

I asked someone from the OTRS team to look at your request. Regards So Why 20:34, 19 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Drwilliampepper - I do not know why this has taken so long, looking into it. Thanks, Shearonink (talk) 21:05, 19 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Everything is there. Text and image are both now published under GNU and CC-BY-SA 3.0, with text permissions at ticket:2012032610009405 and image permissions at ticket:2012032810008573. For some reason I don't understand, I'm able to look at the tickets but not actually take any actions on them. The image should be credited to Pam Kosty, and the text to Patrick E. McGovern himself. Someguy1221 (talk) 23:00, 19 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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An Ancient Greek kylix for you

	Congratulations
	Congratulations, Patrick Edward McGovern is an article! Shearonink (talk) 03:01, 20 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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[1] Abigail Tucker (August 2011). "The Beer Archaeologist: By analyzing ancient pottery, Patrick McGovern is resurrecting the libations that fueled civilization". Smithsonian magazine. www.smithsonianmag.com: Smithsonian Institution. Retrieved March 13, 2012. {{cite web}}: Italic or bold markup not allowed in: |work= (help)

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