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misunderstanding
oh lol no i wasnt copying him i was trying to get the format to get my record label artists bigraphy on here — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hustledeepproductions (talk • contribs) 22:10, 14 November 2012 (UTC)
- I'm not sure what you're referring to as copying; so far as I know, no one's accused you of that. Dori ☾Talk ☯ Contribs☽ 01:55, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
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Not done Dori ☾Talk ☯ Contribs☽ 08:35, 19 November 2012 (UTC)
Would you delete warning message in Luna Nagai wikipedia site ?
Hi,DoriSmith. I already improved Luna Nagai wikipedia page. I did effort.I think this page will meet your demand. So would you delete warrning message at once ? I don't want to be in fear situation any more.
Best regards — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mori5racing (talk • contribs) 00:21, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
- You may have improved the page, but you haven't added any verifiable and reliable independent third party sources with significant coverage — so the prod needs to remain. Dori ☾Talk ☯ Contribs☽ 08:35, 19 November 2012 (UTC)
- Hi,DoriSmith.
- I made links about ISBN code of [all] Nagai's photo books.And I made a link offcial site of Nagai's Movie"Shissou".
- Why can you criticize that I haven't added [any] verifiable and reliabel independent third patrty source ?
- You seem not to check this site carefully.
- And it is impossible that I find all source of her works.Because she was a little popular as a model,but she was not popular as an actress.
- I search official site of her movie"Oyayubi Sagashi.But the official site of this movie already disappered.
- And all wikipedeia site is not perfect.Why you demand me so perfect ? I think this is unfair.
- I hope you that you approve this wikipedia site.
- Best regards — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mori5racing (talk • contribs) 10:53, 19 November 2012 (UTC)
Tagged for deletion: Chris Newman (guitarist)
Hi Dori,
Give me a couple of days, I'll get some citations in there (new to this!) Thanks, --Mercdriver (talk) 10:05, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
Chris Newman (guitarist)
Hello again DoriSmith,
I've added various references to Chris Newman (guitarist) as requested. Trust this will not now be deleted, but please get back to me if you have any more suggestions or requests.
Thank you, Mercdriver (talk) 16:08, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
- Looks like someone's already done it, and thanks for your contributions. Dori ☾Talk ☯ Contribs☽ 08:35, 19 November 2012 (UTC)
Christiana Guinle Page
Hello Dori,
Thank you for your message. I am writing the wiki page for Christiana Guinle, a brazilian actress and producer. Since I am new at wiki, I have had some issues to solve, for instance the reference. I would like to ask you for help. Please, help me to configure the page in order to avoid it to be deleted.
Kind regards,
Nelida Capela — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nelidacapela (talk • contribs) 21:59, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
- Looks like someone's already done it, and thanks for your contributions. Dori ☾Talk ☯ Contribs☽ 08:35, 19 November 2012 (UTC)
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Not done Dori ☾Talk ☯ Contribs☽ 08:35, 19 November 2012 (UTC)
Бейбибёнок
Kinderwunschcentrum is a fertility clinic - so possibly spam. I deleted as A7 as it wasn't total nonsense. Peridon (talk) 11:21, 19 November 2012 (UTC)
- It's always hard to tell with Google translated text; I just took my best guess at it. Whichever way it went, it was clear it wasn't a an article, so thanks for deleting it. Dori ☾Talk ☯ Contribs☽ 03:18, 22 November 2012 (UTC)
Request
Hi Dori. I remember seeing your name as being someone really good at dealing with articles whose subjects don't look notable and should go through a deletion process. I have no idea how to do that so I was hoping you could do it for David Brodbeck. I was reading the notability guidelines for living people. This article cites absolutely no sources (there's one cite to some defunct website) and there are 2 external links to the subject's own webpage and blog. Even based on the content that's in the article I see no notability at all in terms of Wikipedia's standards. Among the guidelines I looked at was WP:ACADEMIC. I also did a search for news stories and could find nothing at all that establishes notability. One other point, I noticed that the subject himself, User:Dbrodbeck, has edited the article. I wasn't sure if someone is allowed to edit an article about themself. Anyway, if you determine that this article should be considered for deletion I just wanted to see if you could take whatever steps are needed to do that. Thanks and have a great weekend! :) --76.189.101.221 (talk) 21:47, 21 November 2012 (UTC)
Just a little update. I just noticed that Dbrodbeck made this comment a few years ago on the talk page: "it is a conflict of interest for me to edit the page".[1], Yet he actually did make edits since then. But they appear quite legitimate. Again, I'm not sure what the rule is on this. He seems to be very nice and reasonable in the talk page discussions where his credibility and legitimacy were scrutinized. But of course the only concern I suppose should be whether or not he's notable. Well, you're the expert so I'm sure whatever you decide will be great. --76.189.101.221 (talk) 23:06, 21 November 2012 (UTC)
Not done Dori ☾Talk ☯ Contribs☽ 03:18, 22 November 2012 (UTC)
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why don't you answer my writings ? It is problem that you delete other's page without checking carefuly.
Hi,DoriSmith. Why don't you answer my writings ? I made links about ISBN code of [all] Nagai's photo books.And I made a link offcial site of Nagai's Movie"Shissou". Why can you criticize that I haven't added [any] verifiable and reliabel independent third patrty source ? You seem not to check this site carefully. It is a terrible thing that you delete user's page without checking carefuly.It is a problem.
And it is impossible that I find all source of her works.Because she was a little popular as a model,but she was not popular as an actress. I search official site of her movie"Oyayubi Sagashi.But the official site of this movie already disappered. And all wikipedeia site is not perfect.Why you demand me so perfect ? I think this is unfair. I hope you that you approve this wikipedia site. Best regards
Best regards — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mori5racing (talk • contribs) 10:13, 23 November 2012 (UTC)
Biography edited. Linked removed, references added, some sentence deletion and punctuation updated.
If this is not enough please advise. Wright is a public figure and on the first two Google pages she comes up 5 times. Each of her businesses comes up many times as well as references on her colleagues web pages. There are youtube videos and overall too many cites to source; over 100. Most of the information can be obtained from LinkedIn, FoodBodyME, and Facebook. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tomisswright (talk • contribs) 03:31, 25 November 2012 (UTC)
Wright
Hi Dori,
I'm in the process of adding references to Wright. I saw the comments this afteroon and edited the sections and am now adding references. The process is a bit tedious for me; I apologize. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tomisswright (talk • contribs) 22:17, 25 November 2012 (UTC)
Advertisement
What do you mean by that it reads as an advertisement? Please let me know how you would like it changed. It is only meant to be an article about a prominant Bay Area figure who has affected society. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tomisswright (talk • contribs) 22:25, 25 November 2012 (UTC)
- I didn't tag the article as an advertisement. As it says on your talk page, that was User:Mean as custard, and it was User:Bbb23 that deleted the article. Dori ☾Talk ☯ Contribs☽ 02:41, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
Please answer about my opinion.
Hi,DoriSmith. Why don't you answer about my opinion ? Why can you delete Luna Nagai English site ? You did,then you shoud delete other many site. This is unfair. I wrote [all] the sourece[ISBN code] about her photo book. Please let me know,which code need sourece for wikipedia ? Other sites name [ISBN code},and they are aprrouved. Why can you delete my site ? Please let me know about this.
Best regards — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mori5racing (talk • contribs) 14:40, 25 November 2012 (UTC)
- I haven't responded as I haven't had anything new to say. The article Luna Nagai (not a site, and it isn't yours) doesn't meet WP's requirements. Simply adding ISBNs doesn't show that a person is notable. If you have any reasons to keep the article around (besides WP:OWN, WP:ILIKEIT, and WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS), feel free to add your thoughts at WP:Articles for deletion/Luna Nagai. Dori ☾Talk ☯ Contribs☽ 02:41, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
Please stop your discrimination.
Hi,DoriSmith. You haven't answered clearly about my question.Please don't you runa away,you are a man. ISBN code is junk code,which code needs sourece for wikipedia ? I ask you this question again. This is other model Saaya Irie wikipedia site. http://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Saaya_Irie This site used [all ISBN code] about photo books and DVDs. And this site is approved. Why did you delete only Luna Nagai site ? It is just discrimination. Luna Nagai's 1st Photo book is very good sales at that time. And Kishin Shinoyama and Nobuyoshi Araki,they are 2 great Japanese photographer. They published Luna Nagai's photo books. Why can you says Luna Nagai is not notable ? Please stop your discrimination. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mori5racing (talk • contribs) 09:16, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
- Discrimination??
{{citation needed}}
. Dori ☾Talk ☯ Contribs☽ 03:09, 27 November 2012 (UTC)
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Dori, I am new to this and do not understand what rules I am breaking. Can you advise? I can verify and reference the information. Is someone else suppose to write it? Thank you, Cindy — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cindymillergolf (talk • contribs) 02:34, 27 November 2012 (UTC)
- Are you Cindy Miller? If so, you should read WP:AUTOBIOGRAPHY, and yes, someone else—someone with no relationship w/ you—should write it. Dori ☾Talk ☯ Contribs☽ 03:08, 27 November 2012 (UTC)
Malik Evangelatos page
Hi Dori,
Thanks for the notice. I will add references now and let you know when it is done. Thanks again,
Iogeo1 (talk) 00:56, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
- Good to hear it; thanks! Dori ☾Talk ☯ Contribs☽ 02:13, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
I think Twinkle made a slight error: what you've tagged for speedy is the redirect I left behind after I moved the page.
I won't object to the speedy deletion of this however: I was considering tagging it myself as an A1 speedy. -- Blanchardb -Me•MyEars•MyMouth- timed 02:05, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
- You and I just overlapped: I was tagging as speedy while you were moving it to Jungmoon. I've since moved the speedy to the new location (as an A7), and it looks like User:Bbb23 has since deleted the redirect. Dori ☾Talk ☯ Contribs☽ 02:09, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
Inappropriate Content
Hello Dori, my name is Draco Safarius. I was a little confused on why you thought my pages were inappropriate. Please message back.
-- Emperor Draco Safarius (talk) 02:08, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
- Neither of the articles you created (Draco Safarius and Kurtz Rating) have any sources, and I'd bet that it's impossible to reference either one. Wikipedia has no use for unsourced information. I recommend that you read WP:Wikipedia is not for things made up one day. Dori ☾Talk ☯ Contribs☽ 02:13, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
Article Massimo Firpo
I'm the author of the article. I will add all the references you need, I can assure you that my article is very appropriate and well source-based, but for doing this I need you restore my old account Kurt4. I'm very sorry to be obliged to use a sockpuppet but I have no choice if I want to communicate. I have been accused to be a vandal cause I've had a conflict with an administrator on italian wikipedia but I never vandalised and I can explain all this if you need. Hoping that we can discuss and I can explain, best wishes --Francesds (talk) 08:16, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
- FYI Francesds is a long-term vandal (Kurt4) globally and locally locked several times for continuous violations of BLP's policy on it.wiki, putting it midly he's obsessed with the hate for his own former professor, please be really careful in checking his contents. --Vituzzu (talk) 11:06, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
- Thanks for the head's up. He's now blocked as a sock, and I've re-added the prod notice to Massimo Firpo. Dori ☾Talk ☯ Contribs☽ 21:40, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
- I'm Francesds. Dori are you an admin? Vituzzu is simply diffaming me, we have had a conflict in italian wikipedia and i'm not obsessed with anithing ! i have explained all this affaire to other admins but they don't trust me a priori. concerning the sources of this article I'll answer between some minutes. Can you answer me here and not in my discussion page ? Best wishes --109.116.212.22 (talk) 21:43, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
- corcerning the article M. Firpo there are many sources and the content is similar to the italian article (that I wrote and he hasn't be never proposed for being deleted. Sources: for the biography the sites of SScuola Normale Superiore and of University of Turin (see note 1), for the publications worldcat (see external links and sources, for his family see the article Luigi Firpo here and in italian wiki. thank you for your attention . Furthermore I'm a pupil of this professor, I LOVE HIM (he's one of the most preminent early modern historians in the world, and for this I know his publications very well. ciao --109.116.212.22 (talk) 21:49, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
- see the other sources that I inserted and verify pls that my entry is good. Another indipendent source in english that confirm the content of my article i.g: http://195.75.145.68/whoiswho/ricerca.php?code=WBWWWXYSWW (see references and links in the article). Vituzzu continue to block me on all wiki and I'm obliged to reconnect for discussing freely, this demonstrate he's in bad faith and he has fear that I demonstrate this. Verifify the sources and trust me pls ! --37.159.95.183 (talk) 22:18, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
- again, this is my new account (not a SP, 'cause my original account is blocked). I hope I can utilize this for working to improve this entry before being blocked again by vituzzu or others. trust me and verify my works best wishes --I miei sogni d'anarchia (talk) 22:50, 28 November 2012 (UTC)
- All socks tagged and blocked. Massimo Firpo deleted as G5 and salted. Dori ☾Talk ☯ Contribs☽ 22:38, 29 November 2012 (UTC)
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Adminship?
Hey Dori! I feel you are taking some break and I hope I haven't disturbed. I was looking at an RFA when I got a link to your criteria. Later, I went through you edits and wow!, they look pretty good, and enough to pass an RFA. I was interested in nominating you if you are ready. Let me know what you think. Thanks. TheSpecialUser TSU 15:24, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
- Thanks for the vote of confidence! I'm definitely thinking about adminship, although I'm currently too busy to want to start an RFA. I'll let you know if/when I'm back. Dori ☾Talk ☯ Contribs☽ 22:36, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
- Dori, this is at least your third inquiry in the last month! You're a star!
Go Phightins! 02:56, 14 December 2012 (UTC)
- Dori, this is at least your third inquiry in the last month! You're a star!
Christiana Guinle Page Deletion
Hi, Dori. Thank you for your message. I am trying to work in a Wikipedia Page. Sometimes I have some difficults, issues. For instance, the references, notes. Can you give me a chance to work in the page above?
Kind regards,
Nelida Capela — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nelidacapela (talk • contribs) 02:55, 14 December 2012 (UTC)
Post - God, Science, And Reality
Hi Dori, Hope you are doing great! While reviewing my post on the above subject you had mentioned - " This submission is not adequately supported by reliable sources." I would like to confirm that the submission is supported by Reliable source. The contents are from the Book entitled " God, Science, And Reality - Audacity of Reason and Tenacity of Truth". You can find the book in Flipkart.com or Goodreads.com The book is only available in Indian Market and may be that is the reason you did not find reference of the same.
The most fascinating I found about this book is thing about this book is that it provides an alternative and holistic view of reality. We know many things in parts and dis-jointly, but the author carefully had stringed everything together in one diagram. The first chapter of this book provides counter arguments to Richard Dawkins - The God Delusion and Christopher Hickens "A Portable Atheist", the author provides very convincing answers citing reference from Indian Scriptures - Vedas and Puranas.
The book is set up in American back-drop in a Coffer House in Princeton University. The book is written in a conversational and dialog mode and involves 5 main character - An Atheist, Philosopher, Mathematician, Physics, and Vedic / Indian Seer or Rishi.
The book received accolades from Academic world - Critical appreciation from reviews:
"Written in a lucid, flowing language, the book is captivating and difficult to keep away once you start reading. Finally when you finish reading the book, relax and close your eyes in reminiscence, you get a glimpse for a fraction of a second of that Absolute. Very satisfying." - Dr. B. D. Kulkarni, Distinguished Scientist, Council for Scientific and Industrial Research, at National Chemical Laboratory, Pune,
“ The book entitled "God, Science And Reality" by Pinaki Ganguly is an attempt towards the ultimate truth of a human being written in the background of modern science and rich Indian heritage of Vedanta. Specially, the section "The Master's Plan" is really the master stroke relating the various branches of sciences with terms in Vedas, Puranas and Vedantic philosophy. This book will definitely add to our spiritual thought and enhance the capability of human mind including atheist.” - Dr. Debnarayan Jana, Head of Department of Physics, University of Calcutta, Kolkata.
“ This book appears to me to be a commendable effort – philosophizing the relationship God-Science-Reality. I think this book will be a prized possession of any library which stores books of Indology and Philosophy in general.” -- Dr. Abhijit Ghosh, MA, Phd, Head of Department ,of Sanskrit, Jadavpur University, Kolkata.
"… this book has the potential to alter one's way of thinking by forcing them to leave individual silos of half-truth and embracing the All-truth." - - Professor Nilanjan Chatterjee, Department of Physics, Mrs. K. M. P. M. Intercollege, Jamshedpur.
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Hello DoriSmith, hope all is well in your world. Question, the person writing this article for this person is not understanding the reason to why this page keeps getting denied. Can you clarify more on to why this is? Is it cause the sources we site aren't good enough? Is it there is not enough information listed to raise this person to a degree of being published? We just want to get this published and be fair to the wiki policy, this isn't for a marketing ploy or anything like that, we feel that Bob Smith is a great person for the Columbus and surrounding area.
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South High Graduates
Hi Dori Smith,
I was reading Wikipedia's history of South High School in Torrance, California, a few minutes ago. This is my first input to you and to Wikipedia, but have something of interest you might want to check out about one of our graduates. Anyway I went to South High School from 1964 until I graduated in 1968 when our class graduated. Among us was Trevor White, who also attended all four years. His name is not among the notable students but probably should be. Trevor and his family came to the United States from England. Not sure when they moved here, but Trevor still had a strong British accent. Among sports played in our athletic leads was football, track, and most of the others still played. Soccer did not exist, at least in Southern California league play, or even as a game we played at high school. This bothered Trevor who was into sports, especially soccer, as it is called in England. So he gathered others, both at South High and at other high schools and before we graduated Trevor White and others had caused our league sports to change. Soccer became part of California high school league games. I do not know the details, only that while we went to South a Soccer league was formed due to Trevor and whom ever else he was in touch with. Think it would be great if this history might be included with the history of South High School in Torrance, California. Sincerely yours, Linda L. Dreier - Class of 1968, graduated as Linda Lee Garcia. So hope someone can research this. Think it is great, and even important, sports history for high school league sports. Thank you. (If you do find this out, and even use it, would love to see the new information, so please let me know. Love follow up. My telephone number is area code 951, and the main number is 277=2355. I live with my husband in Corona, California. Thank you, once more — Preceding unsigned comment added by Linda Lee Dreier (talk • contribs) 09:42, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
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You would never have guessed
Your simple and logical reversion of Talk:Aspies to a simpler version was quite reasonable. The problem is that your simplification has caused a storm in a teacup with an Asperger Spectrum editor. I've reinstated it for now to quieten matters down. You may get what you might at first sight view as a tirade of abuse on your talk page over it. If you perceive it as such, please read WP:AUTISM, let any apparent harsh words pass by uncommented upon if you are able to, and simply comment on the facts. Reference to rules in any reply is themost helpful. Fiddle Faddle 09:23, 20 August 2013 (UTC)
Deletion
I do not understand why you deleted my submission on Roger J Cheng claiming copyright work when it IS MY COPYRIGHTED work? I certainly can use my own writing? Don — Preceding unsigned comment added by Drittner (talk • contribs) 14:44, 24 August 2013 (UTC)
Declined speedy on CREAM (Japanese group)
Hey, just giving you a head's up that I declined the speedy on CREAM (Japanese group). The page claims that the group has worked with notable persons and had an album chart on iTunes. This isn't enough to keep it if you decide to bring it to AfD, but it's just enough to where it doesn't qualify for a speedy A7. I'd probably recommend an AfD since a PROD would probably just get removed. Tokyogirl79 (。◕‿◕。) 09:28, 25 August 2013 (UTC)
User:ChuckHeat
I see that the page was denied approval so I just want to make sure I understand correctly what would make the page notable for a producer/musician. ChuckHeat has had a single to chart by itself and also had 3 albums chart that have his songs on it. If I provided the citations would that give his page proof of notability (sorry I can't remember all of the exact terminology off hand)? Please let me know. Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.130.55.173 (talk) 04:56, 28 August 2013 (UTC)
- This is in regards to Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/ChuckHeat. and ChuckHeat (talk · contribs).
- The artist may have charted, but you can't tell that by the article at AFC or the sources given to support it. Add that to the article with some verifiable and reliable sources to back it up and try resubmitting the entry. Dori ☾Talk ☯ Contribs☽ 07:30, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
Q about "inappropriate for an encyclopedia"
Doii -- Can you be more specific on why you thought the external entry was inappropriate. Thanks, Keith — Preceding unsigned comment added by Krpbiomet (talk • contribs) 13:15, 29 August 2013 (UTC)
- You spammed your Web site onto several pages. See WP:ELNO. Dori ☾Talk ☯ Contribs☽ 07:30, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Net Neutrality in India
Hi Dori,
You cited "improper sourcing" and "reads like an essay" as reasons for rejecting my article.
Since the topic is on "Net neutrality in India" I have referenced only sources of Indian writers. There isn't much academic/research or book material on this topic and so I had to fall back on citing from blogs. Apart from that I have sourced news articles and government documents. I doubt if I will find sources more reliable than these on this topic.
So, if that is inadequate, please help me with the sourcing.
Second, I tried rewriting the article when I resubmitted it. But looks like it's still not good enough...
So please, I need help with the writing also.
I am very keen that this article goes up on Wikipedia and don't want to give up till you guys approve of it.
Thank you.
Srirekha Chakravarty Sri2907 (talk) 06:10, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
User name: Sri2907
- This is in regards to Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Net Neutrality in India.
- Actually, it was User:SFK2 who said it was improperly sourced, not me (but he was right about that). At a minimum, you need to switch to Wikipedia-style referencing rather than what you have now — I suggest you take a long look at Help:Referencing for beginners. Dori ☾Talk ☯ Contribs☽ 07:30, 31 August 2013 (UTC)