User talk:Donald Albury/Archive 9

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AfD nomination of Human

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Apology

I'm probably not the cause of your indefinite break, Donald, but perhaps I've contributed. In any case, I well remember having a fairly heated exchange with you (at least from my view) about the need for proof of "notability" in the list of Tallahassee notables. It's odd, but I have, over the last few months, come over entirely to your position. I now find myself making rather precisely your argument on the List of Florida State University alumni discussion page. You were right. Good show. Come on back. Tim Ross (talk) 11:54, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

An apology isn't necessary, although I thank you for the comment. Part of the reason I'm taking a break is that business you mention about a "heated exchange". I was getting too wound up in things and trying too hard to "win" discussions. That was not good for me or for Wikipedia. Donald Albury 16:52, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

I hesitate, Donald, to cause you any further agitation, but I would be most grateful if you would take a look at this current discussion at WikiProject Florida State University. No need to weigh in if you don't wish to, but your insights might be rather valuable. Tim Ross (talk) 19:22, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Invitation

It has taken me a while, as things often do, but I took heed of your words on the Everglades National Park article, and I'm in the process of expanding the Everglades article. In doing so, I found it necessary to create one of at least four satellite articles, and I'd like you to take a look at it. Indigenous people of the Everglades region. The other satellites will be written in due time. The entire project will take me some months to do. Hope you're around to check it out. --Moni3 (talk) 15:53, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

WP:RSUE

You may be interested in this proposal to revise the text for articles using non-English sources. --ROGER DAVIES ^talk 04:34, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Draw me!

The source is incorrect. See Art Instruction Schools. Pepso2 (talk) 12:47, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Fair enough. I'm well aware that web sources can be unreliable. -- Donald Albury 13:06, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

merger proposal - please discuss

Hi - when you propose a merger - please initiate the discussion giving your rationale - an edit summary is not sufficient as it means people have to go back to the history of the article - the template invites discussion and that is how the matter is decided. --Matilda ^talk 23:38, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Joel Widzer

Hello, thanks for your feedback

I actually haven’t yet entered the citations, however all information is verifiable. In retrospect, I suspect I should have included them before posting. Besides that any other feedback? Your help is appreciated Thanks --reagan (talk) 23:42, 12 July 2008 (UTC) you wrote: Wow! No sources other than the subject's own web site, and it does indeed read like an advertisement. Your editing interests also seem to be very narrowly focused. I think that Leivick's issues with the article are quite reasonable. -- Donald Albury 22:05, 12 July 2008 (UTC

Welcome Back

It was quiet at WP:FLA while you were on Wikibreak. (smile) Horologium (talk) 12:07, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

It is unlikely that I will return to earlier levels of activity. I am concentrating mainly on Florida-related issues for now. I am not sure how much time I can devote to WP on a sustained basis. (That also depends on how pissed off I get about issues and actions I feel are hurting WP. I don't like getting wound up!) -- Donald Albury 12:23, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

AN/I

Many thanks Donald. I've replied there now. Much obliged :-) AlasdairGreen27 (talk) 13:29, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Miami move

Sorry, the last few discussions i've started have gotten nowhere, i figured this would be more effective in drawing attention, i mean, what's the worse that can happen? a bunch of people will whine, more people will whine against their whinning, smearing and slandering will occur, arbitrators will step in, and then something will happen, if there's any other way things go about in this place, please let me know. Thanks! :-) -- SmthManly / ^ManlyTalk / ^{ManlyContribs} 06:38, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Discussions that go nowhere can indicate a lack of consensus for change. There have been involved discussions in the past about the City, State naming convention for U.S. places, and the consensus was clearly to retain that standard. While Miami is on the short list for which City alone might be considered, I think it has been clear that such a move required prior consensus. It is also irritating that the move was not completed correctly. -- Donald Albury 10:51, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

You irritate too easily then. Also, I meant more like, no one seems to take much interest and nothing happens. -- SmthManly / ^ManlyTalk / ^{ManlyContribs} 06:22, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Tampa Music Delete

Mr. Albury,

You continue to remove factual material that is listed in the Tampa, Florida "Music" section. You claim that you are removing this material because it has not been cited. First, the additions to the music section describe three aspects of an underground music scene that has defined Tampa among the American youth for over three decades. It is an underground music scene, and thus it may be difficult for the authors of this section to cite what are typically considered "factual" sources within the mainstream media. Second, if we strictly adhere to your criteria that citations must be provided for all additions, then more than half of this Tampa page must be deleted. I agree that most information on Wikipedia should be supported with citations. Yet you seem to be removing material simply because there are no citations provided, rather than because you think that it is not true. That is not conducive to the wider dissemination of knowledge, a goal for which this wiki was created.

Sincerely, Mr. P —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.34.37.186 (talk) 04:44, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Please read our policies at Wikipedia:Verifiability and Wikipedia:No original research. These policies were formulated very early in the history of Wikipedia, and are unlikely to go away. I might add that I have requested citations for and later removed unsourced material from the Tampa article in the past, and probably will continue to do in the future. -- Donald Albury 16:13, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Reply to your message

Donald, I've sent you an e-mail (I think) in response to your name and image comments. I've also replied to the image comment if you would please get back to me. Thanks, -- Daniel —Preceding unsigned comment added by Palmbeachpost (talk • contribs) 15:22, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Brandon (given name)

Hi, your prod on Brandon (given name) expired, and I deleted the page. In the future, if you create a page and then decide you don't think it should exist, if no one else has edited it, you can request that it be deleted under CSD G7 (author requested) by using {{db-g7}}. This will get the page deleted much more quickly and you do not have to come up with any custom reason for it.

Cheers! J.delanoy ^gabs _adds 05:41, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

DYK

On 28 July, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Florida Railroad, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Gatoclass (talk) 08:24, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Your signature is mislinked

You might want to fix your signature; it currently links to User talk:Donal Albury, which doesn't exist. Horologium (talk) 15:42, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Gah! Thanks! Fixed now. -- Donald Albury 20:24, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Your edit to Troy

Thanks for your change at Troy, which tried to keep the "eras" format consistent within the article. However the one you changed was a link, which broke, so regrettably I had to change it back. Best. --Old Moonraker (talk) 05:24, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Invite

Century Tower

As a current or past contributor to a related article, I thought I'd let you know about WikiProject University of Florida, a collaborative effort to improve Wikipedia's coverage of University of Florida. If you would like to participate, you can visit the project page, where you can join the project and see a list of open tasks and related articles. Thanks!

69.23.202.204 (talk) 20:27, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Would like your opinion on an issue with Everglades articles

Dalbury, I'd like your opinion on this issue, if you'd like to take the time to weigh in. Thanks. --Moni3 (talk) 14:44, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Meetup

Wikipedia:Meetup/Tampa -- You're invited! Hires an editor (talk) 01:32, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

re: Possible Gainesville meetup

Provided it's during the weekend, sure! María (habla conmigo) 12:33, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Hmmm. I thought this might be three people in the corner booth of the Mellow Mushroom. Seems to be getting bigger. Should we post it to the meet-up page and find a venue for more? How many? Food or no food? So many questions. I've met one other Wikipedian, and never (clearly) been to a meet up. --Moni3 (talk) 14:03, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

I'd be more likely to show up if there was food involved, if that helps. :) María (habla conmigo) 14:26, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

So Moni there might make you think about it, but Moni holding a pizza would put the keys in your hand and shut the door behind you? I see how it is. --Moni3 (talk) 14:32, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Make it a Kosmic Karma pizza and I will be there an hour ahead of time with bells on omg. María (habla conmigo) 15:57, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

So, food would be good. Venue will depend somewhat on the size of the crowd. Would it better to look for a date after classes start at UF? No date and time will suit everybody, and attendance at the Miami meetups I've gone to was way less than the number that committed (2 the first time, 3 the next), so we do need enough discussion to get a consensus on the details. shall I start a meetup page? -- Donald Albury 15:07, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Sure. I can look around for a restaurant. The Tampa meet-up is going to be a USF? Not sure we can get that many to warrant a reserved room at the university. --Moni3 (talk) 15:11, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Yes, please, set up a page. And for aid in scheduling, check 2008 Florida Gators football team#Schedule. Don't want to have it during a home game weekend, trust me. Away game weekends are only marginally better, imho. I lived in G'ville for over 20 years, I doth know whereof I speaketh. :) --Ebyabe (talk) 15:24, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Doh! Yes, how could I forget. I lived in Gainesville for twelve years, although I did move away 33 years ago. Anyway, page open at Wikipedia:Meetup/Gainesville, Florida. -- Donald Albury 15:29, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Hurrah! Thanks. I'll do more comments on the meetup talkpage. --Ebyabe (talk) 15:36, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Notified folks on the Jacksonville, UF, and FSU WikiProjects. --Ebyabe (talk) 17:08, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Possibly unfree Image:8x6dog.PNG

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Nice one. ;-)

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Frugalreef Care Sheets for Marine Animals

Hello Donald, this is David from frugalreef. I see you deleted my links without comment yesterday. Could you let me know why you think they weren't appropriate? Drachs (talk) 15:34, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Marinas.com

Dear Donald: Thanks for your note. I agree, of course, that they have a website that has a commercial purpose. But I did not include it for that reason. I've been working on lots of lighthouse articles, and am well familiar with the information that is available on line. It is my opinion that the particular photographs that they offer are a real potential bonus for our readers. They are unique and better than alternative sources. I do not know which article you were referring to. In any event, I think that there is room in Wikipedia and there is room under Wiki policy for such a website, provided that it has suitable content and a proper purpose. I would suggest that you chat with Barek about this. He is a premier spam fighter, and will provide you with wise counsel. Whatever he says is something I will live with. I will send on your note to him, so the two of you can examine the issue and communicate. Best to you. 7&6=thirteen (talk) 19:27, 15 August 2008 (UTC) Stan

Thank you Stan, although I'm a bit humbled - I think you give me more credit than I deserve. Regardless, I took a look at the site in question (marinas.com). My concerns with the site are that it is a commercial site that, among other things, sells images of lighthouses. If the site offered more unique perspective on lighthouses beyond being an image resource, then that would weigh in its favor. As it stands, I tend to agree with Donald Albury that the link should be removed. Part of my reasoning on this is that I've been involved in other discussions on Wikipedia where the community concensus has been that external links to what are essentially image galleries (commercial or otherwise) do not provide enough unique insight to the subjects to be included as external links. But, feel free to bring it up at Talk:Lighthouses in the United States or at WT:LIGHTHOUSES for further discussion. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 21:49, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Gainesville Meetup

Hey, I was wondering if you could help get consensus as to what we will be doing and which date we're going to be meeting up. I'm hoping with more notice that we can have a better turnout than three people from the last Miami meetup. :D Thanks a bunch! Hope all is well. - Jameson L. Tai ^{talk ♦ contribs} 22:00, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

Tjandamurra O'Shane

Hello Donald. Thanks for your comment at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tjandamurra O'Shane (2nd nomination). I have just done some work with the article, introducing new references. Others are still working on it as we speak. I request you take a 2nd look at the article, to determine if the article is now worthy of surviving. Tjandamurra O'Shane is a household name in Australia. I think the references now show that better. As someone else who comment on the AfD list said, every major Australian media organisation is covering his 18th birthday, 12 years after the event, which is testament to it having more lasting significance than a passing news story. Thanks for your consideration, --Lester 01:25, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Re: Fake Warning

I find the fake warning that you are posting to user talk pages very misleading.

I did not post any warnings, and thus, certainly not any fake ones. Why do you find my recommendation, which I have been posting, misleading?

I know of nothing that requires users to include anything on their user page.

Neither do I -- thus, a 'recommendation'.

In fact a number of long established users have blanked their user pages while continuing to be active editors.

I acknowledge that...they are referred to by the modifiers: "convention," "most," "generally," "may appear," "recommend," and "normally."

Please stop posting that 'warning'.

Again, I have not posted any warnings. If you'd like me to stop posting my recommendation, I respectfully deny your request, as my goal is to make Wikipedia a friendlier place, and I believe that userpage content furthers this goal. If you disagree, by all means, please post your own recommendation to established users who possess usepage content, letting them know that they can blank their userpage while continuing to be an active editor. If you'd like, you can even phrase it as a 'warning'. DRosenbach ^{(Talk | Contribs)} 16:21, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Kindly desist from removing welcoming, good-natured, contributory content from third-party editors' talkpages. DRosenbach ^{(Talk | Contribs)} 18:41, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

FL template question

Hi Donald, I have to log off and can't answer the question at the moment but I should be back by late afternoon (Eastern time) and will try to answer for it. If you want to have a go at rearranging go ahead. I'm on a widescreen monitor and have been looking at the templates through different monitors, different operating systems, and different browsers..it renders very differently on different systems. It doesn't have the whitespace effects in my viewing (unless you mean the last list margins in particular). Have to run, sorry for being brief. Cheers, ⋙–Berean–Hunter—► ((⊕)) 14:44, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

On my display at 1260x1040 using XP and Firefox, it has a long line of links, then a short line, then two blank lines, another long line, short line, and two blank lines, and finally a long line and short line. Sort of like this:

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-- Donald Albury 14:58, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

Vandalism?

Hi. It's from the same user who was changing the images before on similar articles. Not to mention that, both images are good resolutions, contrary to what the user says, which is why I don't see the need to change images, delete galleries and remove content. It's unnecessary. --Comayagua99 (talk) 15:21, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

It is nevertheless a content dispute. Neither the repeated switching of images nor the edit summaries that you consider misleading amount to vandalism, per Wikipedia:Vandalism#Types of vandalism and Wikipedia:Vandalism#What is not vandalism. -- Donald Albury 15:28, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Animated history

Hi, Donald. I'm not sure why you think the animated history links are spam, but I restored the one on General Forrest after checking the link. I think it's an excellent link for anyone interested in Forrest's military history. JD Lambert^(T|C) 23:46, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

It's spam because, out of 43 edits made from the anon IP address, 42 were to add links to the site. This is a classic case of someone promoting their web site through Wikipedia. -- Donald Albury 02:06, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Hello Donald, I am the author of the HistoryAnimated Web site and I apologize if I have been misusing the site. The site is 100% non-commercial and offers a unique and valuable insite into the subject. I spent about 250 of my own time on each battle and offer it free. Each is carefully taken from the best books and does not promote any specific view. I thought the following discussion had taken care of this - from my talk page. "I didn't intend to send a formal warning, but instead warn you about methodical application of links to the same website to many different pages. Contrary to the warning above, I didn't delete your link. I'll instead caution you to apply such links in only the most relevant articles. While I did enjoy looking at some of the material you linked, I'm not sure that standard will be applied by others. BusterD (talk) 22:15, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

   I came here to thank Jcagney for adding the "Animated History of The Siege of Petersburg and Surrender at Appomattox" external link to the Battle of Sayler's Creek article which i was watching because i recently created the Sayler's Creek Battlefield article. I found it really interesting and played it all the way through. I could see it being questioned for its direct relevance to any one article like the Battle of Sayler's Creek article, which is covered in only one page of the animation. The animation would be most relevant for a wikipedia article about the entire siege-to-surrender period, if there is one. However, for the Sayler's Creek article, having the link there still helps to place that battle in a larger context. I think this is an unusual thing, we should try to figure out how to incorporate links to this, rather than block it off because it is different. Anyhow, thanks again because i enjoyed it! doncram (talk) 22:32, 3 May 2008 (UTC)"

I can provide you dozens of emails from teachers across the country who feel the material is invaluable to their students as well. Please discuss with me and I will adjust. Best, James Cagney - jecagney@hotmail.com Jcagney (talk) 14:43, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

I refer you to Wikipedia:Spam#External_link_spamming and Wikipedia:Conflict of interest. Please do not yourself add any links to your site from Wikipedia. I am also listing this on the Spam Project talk page for review. -- Donald Albury 15:36, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for Bernard Romans

Thanks for writing up Bernard Romans for Wikipedia. I was pleased to find it while fretting over the general lack of articles on colonial Florida. It's well written and sourced. Added it to my watchlist. -- ℜob C. alias ᴀʟᴀʀoʙ 16:36, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for the kind words. Every once in a while I get on the stick long enough to add some interesting stuff about Florida's history (and prehistory). Have you considered joining Wikipedia:WikiProject Florida? -- Donald Albury 19:21, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

OK, I'm considering it now. -- ℜob C. alias ᴀʟᴀʀoʙ 20:23, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

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dammit

You do realize that you are yet another loss of those who truly care, making the rest of us even more surrounded, don't you? KillerChihuahua^?!? 11:58, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Translation: You will be much missed. Take care, and we will welcome you if and when you decide to return. KillerChihuahua^?!? 11:59, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

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FA review for Battle of Incheon

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(I am informing you of this FAR because of your high number of edits to the Korean War. I also notice you have just started a wikibreak, but thought it might be best to inform you anyway in case you fell this is an important article.) — Twas Now ( talk • contribs • e-mail ) 01:33, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Glenn Curtiss and the Medal of Honor

Someone uncommented your hiding of the Curtiss MOH claim. I agree with you that it isn't so. I have deleted that assertion from the Glenn Curtiss article. --rogerd (talk) 21:46, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Date format poll confirmation

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Deletion review for Martino de Judicibus

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Seasons Greetings

Wishing you the very best for the season. Guettarda (talk) 06:52, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

Ormond Mound

Whaddayamean, "I am on break?" Just as I was going to ask you to look at a sandbox article I was working on: Ormond Mound. I was going to create an article named Ormond Mound, but I just found out that the City of Ormond Beach calls the thing Indian Mound Park. But the name Ormond Mound seems to be attached to the thing, albeit unofficially (its not on the NRHP list). What the heck should I name the article? Gamweb (talk) 02:20, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

Rescue Attempt for Florida County Road 337

Your assistance is requested to rescue Florida County Road 337 from the AfD Squad. Gamweb (talk) 00:14, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

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deletion of "Gladstones Restaurant" page

I feel this deletion was inappropriate. It certainly was NOT "blatant advertising". I have no connection with the restaurant, except as a former resident of Southern California, and a semi-frequent guest at the restaurant. Note that the Wikipedia policy that you cited clearly says "...simply having a company or product as its subject does not qualify an article for this criterion." Gladstones IS a landmark; has historical significance; has regional business significance; and is a much-frequented tourist destination. Davidmcb64 (talk) 22:17, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

You may request reconsideration of the deletion at Wikipedia:Deletion review. -- Donald Albury 22:34, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Re: A I/N

I am taking the one note I have left about this directly to your talk page so as not to conduct or promote further disruption to the thread located there per your request... but you raised a new point which I think needs to be addressed... You stated: Srobak, please do not edit or otherwise modify other users' postings on talk pages; that is disruptive to discussions.

I just want to be clear that the ONLY persons postings in talk pages I was editing in this entire situation was my own. In fact - the entire reason this whole thing came to bear is because OTHER PEOPLE were editing my postings on talk pages, and it was in fact very disruptive. Just wanted to clarify that and make sure you were clear on who did what - as I really don't understand you making a comment/warning on the ANI page that I not do something I hadn't done prior and in fact was the core of my entire original complaint. That's all - not looking to get into it with you either - just wanted to clarify, because due to the involvement of so many 3rd parties - it appears who did what has become rather clouded. Thanks for your assistance in the original issue. Srobak (talk) 19:01, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

Actually, you moved a comment by halfshadow with the summary "...and fixing poor formatting by halfshadow". -- Donald Albury 19:07, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

Ah - true - but just for the (your? :) ) record - it appeared midstream in the response I had typed - likely cause we were both posting or editing at the same time, and looked quite un-ruly and confusing. Not a single character was altered - as editing other peoples text in talk is one of my biggest peeves (next to destructive edits/reversions prior to discussion). His block was adjusted down a few lines, in its entirety. Just wanted to clarify. No problems :) Thanks again Srobak (talk) 19:16, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

Yes, I see that you were trying to put the post where it was responding to the item above. His post does show first in the history, and calling it "poor formatting" was an unfortunate choice of words.

Another comment, while you are looking here. It is never a good idea to drop a warning template on the talk page of someone you are having a dispute with. I understand the temptation, and once succumbed to it myself, but I have always regretted the incident, as it caused needless conflict with a good editor. I know it gets frustrating when you try to take a content dispute to the talk page and the other editor reverts again rather than discussing, but there are other options, such as Wikipedia:Third opinion or asking on the talk page of any projects that have claimed the article. -- Donald Albury 19:35, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

Duly noted. Gracias mi hermano. Srobak (talk) 19:57, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

Deletion of Nina Scolnik

Did you not see the 'hangon' notice I added to this page? You should have waited before deleting it, or at least contacted me. -- Donald Albury 19:31, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

Hi Donald,

Thanks for the note. I did see the the hangon tag, but I also noted that this article has been created twice as a copyvio, and that the author has had other content deleted as copyvios as well. If you've found credible evidence that the user has indeed received permission to use the content, I'm certainly willing to restore. Best, Firsfron of Ronchester 20:10, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

Ah, I had missed that history. It looked like a good faith creation to me, and I was trying to communicate how the editor could properly license the material.I had already dealt with an article today taht was up for speedy, but which had an OTRS permission tag on the talk page, and I guess that made me want to give a little leeway in this case. In any case, I apologize if I cam across as a bit abrupt. -- Donald Albury 20:36, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

No reason to apologize, Donald; it could indeed still be a good-faith creation, and I may have succumbed to some copyright paranoia. I'm going to repost your note to the user on the user's talk page, in case this content can indeed be licenced. I apologize for stepping on your toes. Firsfron of Ronchester 20:41, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Nina Scolnik

Hi there, I just wanted to note that if you think an article is wrongly tagged with a speedy delete tag, you are free to remove that tag, as long as you're not the original author of the article. the {{hangon}} tag is for the original author to try to contest the speedy deletion. You can read some more here WP:CSD. Just thought I'd make sure you knew that! — LinguistAtLarge • Talk 21:21, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the tip. -- Donald Albury 21:51, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you, Donald, for removing some weird vandalism from my user page. :)
Cheers, Amalthea 20:33, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

It was strange, indeed. -- Donald Albury 23:16, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

FWIW, makes sense now since the autoblock of the user just caught CHENG.Michael (talk · contribs) who I had dealings with previously. Oh well. --Amalthea 22:17, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

Funny how things come out. -- Donald Albury 22:18, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

Philip Wylie

Welcome to the Philip Wylie fan club. Your edit tells me that you must have a copy of ...Classic Stories. On page 369 of that book there is a list of The Published Crunch and Des Stories. Alas, no list is ever complete - there is one book missing. It is Three to be Read - which contains the story/novella Sporting Blood. I'm not going to add it because I don't think it is useful to have these incomplete lists in the article. GroveGuy (talk) 02:59, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

I currently have a copy of Classic Stories checked out of the library. There are problems with the list in the back of the book. By my count, the stories in the list do not add up to the numbers given by Karen Wylie Pryor in the Preface. I also have a copy of the (1958) Crest paperback edition of The Best of Crunch and Des, and it includes four stories that are not indicated on the list as being in that collection (the paperback has "authorized abridgment" on the cover, which would explain why stories indicated on the list as being in the hardback collection aren't in the paperback, but the presence of the four 'extra' stories is strange). In any case, I cited Karen Pryor's count, as using my own count based on the list feels too much like "original research".

I have read some of Wylie's books. I recently decided to re-read When Worlds Collide, and then After Worlds Collide, and dug out my old paperback copies. That led to digging out The Best of Crunch and Des, and then checking at the library (which only has two Wylie books in it's collection). I have read Tomorrow and The Disappearance, but I don't remember reading any of his other works. -- Donald Albury 10:01, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

Date autoformatting poll

Hi Donald, I noticed that like me, you are opposed to any form of dates autoformatting. I have created some userboxes which you might like to add to your userspace to indicate your position. You will find the boxes here. Ohconfucius (talk) 06:11, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

I am also opposed to the proliferation of userboxes, so, thank you, but I'm not interested in using them. -- Donald Albury 10:03, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

State-of-Florida Copyright Issues

Some items I added are being debated for deletion. Your participation is requested. Please visit w:Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Florida#TfD for more info. Thank you. Gamweb (talk) 04:14, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Tallahassee population

Hi, Donald. I've noticed that you, also, have an interest in the population figures for Tallahassee, and appreciate your having handled some bad (my opinion) edits on the topic. You might be interested in my search for help, at [3]. Tim Ross (talk) 12:48, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Daytona Beach News-Journal

I added a History chapter to the article on The Daytona Beach News-Journal recently after scouring some local history books. I think I revised the text enough to avoid any copyvios, but it would help if someone else with a fresh pair of eyes did the same. Gamweb (talk) 20:49, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Condolences

I suspect that condolences are in order. I thought about you when I heard the news, but I was on the road at the time. Keep well. Guettarda (talk) 21:36, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Thank you, but we weren't close. He was my father's cousin, and while I had spoken with him a couple of times in the last few years, I had not seen him in at least 50 years. -- Donald Albury 12:22, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Disambig page style

Hey, I noticed in your recent edit of Freedom you added a line with more than one link in the line and changed the name of the article with a pipe (which is acceptable solely for typesetting such as italicizing the book's title). Since it looks like you edit a lot I thought I would point out to you that these are not inline with MOS:DAB. I'm sure there are a million other things in there that I don't know, but I thought you might want to know about these which I think drastically affect the usability of DAB pages. PDBailey (talk) 01:06, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

The DAB MOS states that there should not be more than one blue-link per item. The article on the author has a red-link to the book title. As the author's previous three novels have their own articles, it is highly likely that his latest novel will also have its own article, and therefore the red-link is permissible per the MOS. The debatable question is whether we should be red-linking a book that has not yet been published, even though the title of the book is sourced. -- Donald Albury 12:38, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Calusa survival

Per the recent discussion at Talk:Calusa, I thought you might be able to clarify an issue at Indigenous peoples of the Everglades region. The intro currently says: "After more than 200 years of relations with the Spanish, both indigenous societies lost cohesiveness. The remaining Calusa were assimilated into the newer Seminole nation, born of invading Creeks, leftover Timucua, other tribes absorbed by the Creeks, and escaped African slaves". This makes it sound as if some sort of Calusa (and Timucua) detachment joined up with the Seminoles in a fashion similar to the Tuscarora joining the Iroquois Confederacy. The Calusa section of the article makes no such claim, referring only to their decimation and their removal. If you have a chance, could you alter the wording to make the prevailing ideas about their fate clearer?--Cúchullain ^t/c 17:32, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

I'm planning on doing some more research on the subject before I get into changing articles. I added the current statement, "While a few Calusa individuals may have stayed behind and been absorbed into the Seminoles, there is no hard evidence for it.", to the Calusa article two years ago, citing the book The Calusa and Their Legacy by Darcie A, MacMahon and William H. Marquardt which I had found in my local library. I would like to check the source again to be sure I got it right, but unfortunately I have since moved and am still trying to find the book locally. If nothing else, I'll go to the University of Florida library or to the Florida Museum of Natural History to find a copy, as both authors hold positions there. I've been compiling a list of possible sources, and now have some 20 books listed that are relevant to the Calusas, almost all of which are available at my local city library. -- Donald Albury 18:15, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

I have access to the UF library and I wrote the Indigenous people of the Everglades region article. If an issue needs to be clarified, I am happy to do it. --Moni3 (talk) 18:40, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

I don't have access to The Calusa and Their Legacy: South Florida People and Their Environments by Darcie A. MacMahon and William H. Marquardt right now. Could you find it and look on pages 118-21 and confirm that the statement "While a few Calusa individuals may have stayed behind and been absorbed into the Seminoles, there is no hard evidence for it" near the end of the article is an accurate representation of the source? I wrote that almost two years ago, but I want to be sure I didn't miss any important nuances. I can probably get over to the FMNH in a few days, where I am sure there is a copy, but I normally would not have a reason to go there. -- Donald Albury 19:05, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

I can do that tomorrow if the book is on the shelf. Would you rather me report here or on the Calusa talk page? --Moni3 (talk) 19:54, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

The Calusa talk page would be good, as mention the line in question there. -- Donald Albury 20:21, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Daytona Beach - Notability Removals

Hi Donald, I noticed in your edits here and here, you removed bullet listings for selected shopping centers and businesses in Daytona Beach, Florida. You cited the Notability guideline as the reason for removals. I believe you misused or misinterpreted the notability standard in this case. In the past, I added an article for the Bellair Plaza shopping center. The article was nominated for deletion, using the notablility guideline; the discussion editors determined that the article should be deleted and merged into the city page (Daytona Beach). You have now taken the "Notability" concept a step furthur by deleting the entries from the City page. As for the businesses, I only added those that are recognized as major businesses by the Volusia County Dept. of Economic Development. I can track down a link to a PDF if you like. Gamweb (talk) 06:08, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

Frankly, if a business or shopping center is not notable enough to have it's own Wikipedia article, then I do not think it belongs on a list of 'notable' businesses or shopping centers. If that principle is not applied, then every business in the city, no matter how small or insignificant, could be added to the list, making it a business directory, and Wikipedia is not a directory. Please note that it is customary to remove names of people who do not have a Wikipedia article from lists of 'notable residents'. -- Donald Albury 09:54, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

Oxford, Ohio Phil Morrica

It is not hard to verify importance of this individual. It is widely known in Oxford, Ohio who Phil Morrical is and what he has done. The same would apply to Hamilton, Ohio. Archives of Butler County, Ohio have proved claims to athletic claims by way of records, photographs, rosters, certificates, etc... Phil Morrical's business notoriety is easily accessed through Kiwanis International, Ohio Board of Realtors, various Hamilton records, holds seats on numerous boards and groups in the local community. KDills22 (talk) 03:35, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

You can establish his notability in the Wikipedia sense by writing an article about him using reliable sources. If the article is not challenged with a nomination for deletion, or if the result of such a challenge is to keep the article, then his notability (in the Wikipedia meaning) will be established. -- Donald Albury 10:28, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Review?

I just rewrote and posted St. Johns River. I get the impression you're more familiar with South Florida, but if you get an inclination, I'd appreciate any comments you can give on the talk page.

Thanks. --Moni3 (talk) 20:09, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

I've looked at it a little. I'll try to spend more time on it tomorrow. There's quite a lot there to read. :) -- Donald Albury 01:12, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

This is not a pile-on, but sorry coincidence. Black Seminoles is listed at Featured Article Review because it was passed as an FA when the criteria were a bit looser. Having just come off constructing a big article for the St. Johns, I am not able to switch gears immediately and do a big overhaul for this article right now. Articles stay at FAR for several weeks or months, though, and if they're not improved in that time, they get delisted to B class. Since you have materials at your reach, you may be able to work on this one to cite what is missing. A list of its problems can be found here: Wikipedia:FAR#Black_Seminoles. I may be able to pitch in myself in a couple weeks.

Something to consider if you have the time. --Moni3 (talk) 14:52, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

Arghh! I've stayed away from the subject because there is a strong mythology built up around it, one which the sources I'm familiar with do not support very well. I would not want to take it on without reading as much of the sources cited in the article as I can. I had intended to work on the Timucua article this month, but the Calusa article flared up, and in the course of researching that, I found a good book that covers the lesser known tribes of peninsular Florida. I don't know how soon I can get around to Black Seminoles. -- Donald Albury 17:51, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

I understand your argh. How about in a couple weeks when my St. Johns bogglemindedness calms down some, I can take on some of the sources and you can take on the others? Also, as there are no time limits, we (or you, or me, whatever) can simply reconstruct and improve the article when it's more convenient. No stress. --Moni3 (talk) 17:57, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

We'll see how it goes. I'm going to be off-line for much of next week, anyway. -- Donald Albury 17:59, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Human

Thanks for your replies to my comments at Talk:Human. :-) -- 201.37.230.43 (talk) 17:32, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

You are welcome. -- Donald Albury 20:16, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

Censorship

Why are you suppressing information regarding "yuor stinky Ammerican hole"? Take heart, there is hope! Just try this and your stinky hole will be... less stinky. Act now! KillerChihuahua^?!?Advice 12:46, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for sharing that with me. :) As for my name-calling friend, I have no idea what edit he is complaining about. -- Donald Albury 12:52, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

yeah, but it was a GREAT opening for me to post that link, which you have to admit, is pretty funny. :-D KillerChihuahua^?!?Advice 12:53, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

Indeed! And I found his edit that I reverted, [4]. I think he could use some of Doc Bottom's Aspray himself. -- Donald Albury 12:58, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

"Then they kill you some more"... I'm going to urinate myself if I laugh any harder. KillerChihuahua^?!?Advice 13:08, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

Some days it IS worth coming to work at Wikipedia. :) -- Donald Albury 13:14, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

Of course, in all seriousness, that is original research and thus not allowed, even if it were edited for meaning. KillerChihuahua^?!?Advice 13:09, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

And he inserted right in front of an existing citation, and that irritates whenever I see it happen. -- Donald Albury 13:14, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

Miami-Fort Lauderdale-Pompano Beach

When I looked for sources I found none. That is why I just left the change to West Palm Beach. Can you point out the source you were telling me about?--Jorfer (talk) 02:33, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Miami-Fort Lauderdale-Pompano Beach

When I looked for sources I found none and the first source used in the whole article uses West Palm Beach [5]. That is why I just left the change to West Palm Beach. Can you point out the source you were telling me about?--Jorfer (talk) 02:36, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

See OMB Bulletin No. 07-01, Update of Statistical Area Definitions and Guidance on Their Uses, in List 1:Metropolitan and Micropolitan Statistical Areas, which used to be cited in the first sentence of the article. The OMB bulletin is dated December 18, 2006. The Rental Car Tours site, which was never official, is dated 2003. At one point a few years ago (I think in 2006) I found a congressional press release announcing the renaming of the MSA from Miami-Ft. Lauderdale-Miami Beach to Miami-Ft. Lauderdale-West Palm Beach, but the OMB bulletin came out just a couple of months later, making it officially Miami-Ft. Lauderdale-Pompano Beach. Unless and until someone can cite a later OMB source changing the name again, the name is officially Miami-Ft. Lauderdale-Pompano Beach. Calling the MSA anything else is OR. -- Donald Albury 09:45, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

And Metropolitan and micropolitan statistical areas defined by the Office of Management and Budget, November 2007, which is from November 2007 (I updated the source in the article). -- Donald Albury 09:55, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

edit to elephant

Ummm, are you planning on doing a lot of this? Per Wikipedia:Lead section#Format of the first sentence TOL articles usually (or often) bold both ethe most common name and the scientific name (hence Bears are mammals of the family Ursidae.). Sabine's Sunbird talk 22:07, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

The section you linked to says nothing about TOL articles. WP:MOSBOLD states that bolding is used to separate the article title from the other text in an article the first time the title is used. It goes on to say:

Use boldface in the remainder of the article only for a few special uses:

Table headers
Definition lists (example: Proof)
Volume numbers of journal articles, in some bibliographic formats

It appears to me that bolding the occurrence of taxon names other than the title of the article violates the guidance of the MOS. -- Donald Albury 23:29, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

From the text... If the subject of the page has a common abbreviation or more than one name, the abbreviation (in parentheses) and each additional name should be in boldface on its first appearance. Any taxon that has an established common name has more than one name - its common (or vulgar) name (bear) and its scientific name (Ursidae). Sabine's Sunbird talk 00:02, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Ursidae is the family name. I think it is awkward and distracting to bold the family name in such an article, and I do not see support for such an interpretation in the MOS. -- Donald Albury 00:09, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Bears are a family. The article is about the family. All our animal articles are about the taxon - (except the stupid ones like duck which refer to poly or paraphyletic groups) - which are named by common name where available (Albatross) or scientific name if there is no common name (Procellariidae). At any rate, you don't like it, I do, but I hate wikilawyering so, meh, whatever. Sabine's Sunbird talk 01:13, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

I have moved the discussion to Talk:Elephant#Bolding of Elephantidae in lede and asked for comments. Considering the problems that need to be fixed in Wikipedia, our disagreement is very small potatoes, and I will be content with whatever consensus is shown. In any case, I will not be pursuing this further. -- Donald Albury 09:42, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Haplogroup L1

Here is the link to the article "An Improved Method On Calibrating The Human Mitochondrial Molecular Clock" in American Journal of Human Genetics.

http://download.cell.com/AJHG/mmcs/journals/0002-9297/PIIS0002929709001633.mmc1.pdf --192.172.8.13 (talk) 19:21, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Recent PROD deletions

Hello,

I noticed that you deleted several articles earlier today as expired prods that hadn't actually be listed for the requisite 7 days. (They had somewhere between 1 and 24 hours left to go from what I saw.) I am not asking for any of them to be restored, but I do think it is important to properly follow process. As such, consider this a friendly reminder that PROD candidates should be listed at least 7 full days before deletion.

Thank you and have a nice day, ThaddeusB (talk) 04:36, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

They were listed in the Template:Admin dashboard under the heading, "The following articles have been proposed for deletion for at least 7 days:". If you feel that prodded articles are showing up in that listing too soon, you should raise the issue at Template talk:Admin dashboard. -- Donald Albury 11:11, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the info - it appears the problem lies in Cydebot not updating the list properly. I have dropped Cyde a line about it, but he isn't very active these days so it might be a bit before the bug is fixed. --ThaddeusB (talk) 13:53, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

In the meantime I'll keep a watch out for the prod date and time. -- Donald Albury 16:38, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

On Behalf of the Junior Birdmen's Superspecial Transnational Study Hall of Infamy

We are ~~grateful~~ outraged! Just so you know, you failed to ruin all the fun (i.e you missed a couple). However, I ~~happily~~ grudgingly took it upon myself to finish up. Regards, Ripogenus77 (talk) 00:24, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

You have to admit that it was a bit monotonous. I must have fallen asleep at the switch there for a moment. -- Donald Albury 00:34, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

Recent interest by anons in city nicknames

Hi. Do you happen to know what induced anon contributors' sudden recent interest in city nicknames articles? I imagine that they were highlighted in a popular blog or forum somewhere... --Orlady (talk) 13:56, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

I have no idea. These things do seem to come in waves, and being mentioned in a popular blog or forum might be the reason. -- Donald Albury 14:01, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

200.55.135.211

I have unblocked 200.55.135.211 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) because it originates in Cuba. The benefits of having even a few editors from Cuba outweigh the burden of any vandalism, IMO. Fred Talk 21:43, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Pardon?

Can you shed some light on the reason behind this warning? The only edit I've made to Ocala, Florida is here, which was pretty obvious vandalism. I'll skip the speech about not templating the regulars, as I'm hoping this was a mistake on your part. Thanks. //Blaxthos ( t / c ) 15:48, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

My apologies! I thought I was reverting this. -- Donald Albury 16:15, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

No worries, I have made the exact same mistake more than a few times myself. Thanks for taking care of that so quickly. Cheers! //Blaxthos ( t / c ) 16:18, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

Dave Barry

I'm thinking that Dave Barry probably either moved since that book was written, or living in Coral Gables counts as living in Miami for some sources. I'm not sure, but you're welcome to edit as needed. Wm.C (talk) 21:45, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Furth

Please cease vandalizing the page on Oxford, Ohio. Furth is a somewhat well known architect at least in Prague and Southwest Ohio. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Marqqq (talk • contribs) 00:24, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Be very careful about what you call vandalism. False accusations of vandalism are not treated lightly on Wikipedia. Please read our policies and guidelines on Wikipedia:Verifiability, reliable sources and Wikipedia:Notability (people) before adding Furth as a "notable resident" of Oxford again. If you think that Furth is notable, then start an article about him, citing reliable sources. -- Donald Albury 12:27, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

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User talk:141.13.170.2

Hi! Unfortunately I've got to disappoint you. The first time I interfered in Wikipedia was in September 2008, I never had the hands on "Still life". Numbers like "141.13.170.2" are distributed by the supervisors of the network of the University of Bamberg, Germany. I do not feel responsible for what my "141.13.170.2"-ancestors have done and I'm not sure whether "141.13.170.2" is currently not shared by more than one person. Cheerio 92.230.34.117 (talk) 17:48, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

Invitation to participate in SecurePoll feedback and workshop

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Old username

you might want to re-register it to prevent hijacking. β^_command 21:55, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

Murray sanders/U 731

I posted an answer to your question--Trente7cinq (talk) 12:02, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

Your invited!

Wikipedia:Meetup/Miami 3 is coming up in the near future, you are invited to participate. Thanks Secret ^account 17:29, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Pearl necklace (sexuality)

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History of Miami

Article qualifies for a featured article review and I no longer have the health to focus on rescuing the article. Can you help update it please. I'll see what I could do with sourcing and I'll ask my professor (who's the historian of Miami Paul George) for suggestions. Thanks Secret ^account 13:57, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

Well, you caught me just when I've been active for the first time in months. No promises, but I'll take a look at it. -- Donald Albury 15:37, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

Mocama

Hey Donald, do you know anything about the current research on the Mocama? I worry that reliance on the newspaper accounts is going to skew what archaeologists are actually saying about them, especially regarding how "distinct" they were from their neighbors. At any rate it's quite interesting.--Cúchullain ^t/c 14:26, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

All I know about the Mocama is what I've read in general accounts about the Timucua and the Spanish missions. It sounds a little like some local boosterism is going on, but I don't see anything startling, just a matter of emphasis. Since I've started working again on article related to the Spanish mision system, maybe I'll see what I can add to that article. -- Donald Albury 03:19, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

I think what may have happened is that researchers have been doing a lot of work on the Mocama recently, so that they can now say a good bit more about the Mocama specifically, but the newspaper articles about it had to filter it for a general audience that wouldn't be particularly familiar with extinct Indian tribes. So statements that may have been closer to, "we can now say much more about the Mocama as a distinct group in the Timucuan-speaking population", become "We used to call all of these peoples 'Timucua', but now archaeologists are calling the ones on the coast the 'Mocama'." Which comes across as, "The Mocama were distinct from the Timucua". At any rate it will be interesting to see where it goes from here, off and on Wikipedia. Glad to see you're back.--Cúchullain ^t/c 14:40, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, it has been emphasized in the Timucua article for a while that the Timucua were never unified politically. I added some information a few years ago on how divergent the Timucua tribes were culturally. What I do find puzzling is that the Timucua tribes spoke mutually intelligible dialects of a language, but had cultures suggesting long separate development (at least between the eastern and western groups). -- Donald Albury 10:52, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

WikiProject Theoretical Linguistics

Hello, I am trying to bring WP:WikiProject Theoretical Linguistics back to semi-active status. Toward that end, I have moved all members who have not posted to the project page in the past six months to a section, "Inactive members." If you wish to be active in the project, I hope you will move your name back to the section, "Members." You may also remove your name if you are no longer interested in the project. Thanks, and happy editing, Cnilep (talk) 17:29, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

Miami, USA

Donald - Yes I did check, even though I seem to remember that the Hurricane House edition was photographically reproduced from the Henry Holt edition. The reason I changed the publisher was that 1953 was the date of the Henry Holt edition and I didn't happen to have the other book readily at hand. GroveGuy (talk) 04:05, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

The Hurricane House version has a copyright date 0f 1953 and notations of the First Edition by Henry Holt in 1953 and and Second Edition by Atlantic Printers, Miami Beach in 1963, which would indicate it was reprinted from the Atlantic Printers edition. -- Donald Albury 14:59, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

I looked at all four editions - which are Holt ('53), Hurricane House ('63), Pickering ('90), and University Press of Florida ('00). There was no Atlantic Printers edition. Atlantic Printers were the people who printed the Hurricane House edition. Hurricane House was run by Marjory Stoneman Douglas to bring EVERGLADES, THE RIVER OF GRASS back into print. She also published books for some of her friends, such as Muir. The Hurricane House edition was photographically reproduced from the Holt edition. The Pickering edition was set in type anew and has added material. GroveGuy (talk) 02:26, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the explanation. I first read the Holt edition (as it must have been) in the '50s. This copy that I have was my father's. I have cited the Hurricane House printing elsewhere, but I would have to search for the articles. -- Donald Albury

Dade County

Hi! Lemme review the edit histories and I will transplant my edit from the bad to the good :) WhisperToMe (talk) 14:53, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

Invitation to join WikiProject Deserts

WikiProject

DESERTS

invitation

Hello Donald Albury! I noticed your contributions to Sahara, and thought you might be interested in WikiProject Deserts, a collaborative effort to improve Wikipedia's coverage of deserts of the world and their features.

If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the project and see a list of open tasks and related articles. Thanks! Farjad0322 ^{(talk|contribs)} 22:18, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

Changes to Brevard County, Florida

I have made a major change to an article that you may or may not like and you may be an interested party, I thought I'd give you a "heads up" so hat you may comment and/or make or suggest improvements. VictorianMutant (talk) 02:36, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

Space Coast Wiki

Greetings,

I recently started the Space Coast Wiki. It is a wiki for everything in Brevard County, Florida, including many articles which may not be notable enough for Wikipedia. It's brand new, so we really need some help publicizing it, recruiting editors, and building content. Any help is greatly appreciated. Greg Bard (talk) 04:55, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

Sarasota, Florida discussion

I have started a discussion about changes to Sarasota, Florida, an article you have contributed to substantially here. Any comments, suggestions and/or criticism you may have are welcome. Thanks, VictorianMutant (talk) 05:35, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Florida Reef

Hello! Your submission of Florida Reef at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Thelmadatter (talk) 01:53, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Florida Reef

On 19 December 2010, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Florida Reef, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that the Florida Reef is the third largest coral barrier reef in the world, and that in the middle of the 19th century there were close to 50 shipwrecks a year on the reef? You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Materialscientist (talk) 12:02, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

Volusia County Roads in Daytona Beach Proposed Deletions

I don't know if you are interested in roads, but I noticed you have worked on the Daytona Beach, Florida page recently. These two roads in Daytona Beach have been proposed for deletion. Any assistance you can give to prevent their deletion would be appreciated. Gamweb (talk) 04:22, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

Incorporated your advice into WP:FN

You responded to a helpme on Dec. 24 on my talk page. I've taken that info to make a suggestion on the talk page of WP:FN Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(footnotes)#New_subsection_for_consecutive_sentences_using_the_same_source

- Verapar (talk) 05:29, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Molasses Reef Wreck

On 5 January 2011, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Molasses Reef Wreck, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that the Molasses Reef Wreck in the Turks and Caicos Islands is the earliest wreck of a European ship in the Americas to be scientifically excavated? You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Dravecky (talk) 22:27, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

Cnidaria entry...

Hello, and thank you for the welcome. I just realized my mistake in removing the parenthesis. Cheers! Frerin (talk) 01:14, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

mentor

Hi, My name is Rebecca, I'm a junior at James Madison University and I'm a Writing Rhetoric & Technical Communications major. This semester I'm taking a technical editing class where I am required to use Wikipedia. If I have any questions this semester, would you be willing to help me?

Thanks, Rebecca — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lippmare (talk • contribs) 20:50, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free image File:Nutstoyou.jpg

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Thanks for uploading File:Nutstoyou.jpg. The image description page currently specifies that the image is non-free and may only be used on Wikipedia under a claim of fair use. However, the image is currently orphaned, meaning that it is not used in any articles on Wikipedia. If the image was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. You may add it back if you think that that will be useful. However, please note that images for which a replacement could be created are not acceptable for use on Wikipedia (see our policy for non-free media).

If you have uploaded other unlicensed media, please check whether they're used in any articles or not. You can find a list of "file" pages you have edited by clicking on the "my contributions" link (it is located at the very top of any Wikipedia page when you are logged in), and then selecting "File" from the dropdown box. Note that any non-free images not used in any articles will be deleted after seven days, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. Thank you. Courcelles 03:44, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia Ambassador Program Newsletter: 28 January 2011

The newsletter of the Wikipedia Ambassador Program – Volume 1, 28 January 2011

This is the first issue of the Wikipedia Ambassador Program newsletter. Please read it! It has important information about the the current wave of classes, instructions and advice, and other news about the ambassador program.

Delivered by EdwardsBot (talk) 00:31, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Guerrero (ship), HMS Nimble (1826)

Hello! Your submission of Guerrero (ship), HMS Nimble (1826) at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Yoninah (talk) 20:58, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

We could run with ALT3, but what do you think about ALT5 on the DYK talk page? Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 21:32, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

Homestead, Florida

Thank you for your contribution to Homestead, Florida#Points of interest, but we are trying to write an encyclopedia here, so please keep your edits factual and neutral. Our readers are looking for serious articles and will not find joke edits amusing. Remember that Wikipedia is a widely-used reference tool, so we have to take what we do here seriously. If you'd like to experiment with editing, use the sandbox to get started. Thank you. Jhw57 (talk) 16:15, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Guerrero (ship)

On 1 February 2011, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Guerrero (ship), which you created or substantially expanded. You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

—HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 18:05, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

DYK for HMS Nimble (1826)

On 1 February 2011, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article HMS Nimble (1826), which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that in 1827, HMS Nimble, an anti-slave patrol, ran aground near the Florida Keys while engaged in a gun battle with the Spanish slave ship Guerrero, which also ran aground and sank? You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

—HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 18:05, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

looking for a mentor

Hi.

I am a student (MSU Bozeman, Montana) in a Native American studies class which is writing for Wikipedia this semester.

http://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_United_States_Public_Policy/Courses/Spring_2011/Federal_Indian_Law_and_Policy_%28Kristin_Ruppel%29

Would you consider taking me on as a "mentee"?

Thanks much.

Lynn Doyle

Lpdoyle — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lpdoyle (talk • contribs) 13:14, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

Hi Donald, this looks to be closer to your expertise, so I am happy to leave it with you. --Elekhh (talk) 21:50, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

Re: Mentee Lpdoyle

I was waiting for the student to reply and confirm, but I guess this is unlikely to happen anyway. I will adjust the templates accordingly. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 17:34, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Beta cafe/Enter your new article name here

Just a heads-up, redirects go here, not here. This one looks to be completely non-controversial housekeeping, so I've tagged it for speedy deletion. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • ^{(Otters want attention)} 18:28, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

Editing Fridays article for 11 February 2011

The Editing Fridays article for 11 February 2011 is Theatre. The previous article was Tradition. We welcome your help! You can sign up here

--Guerillero | My Talk 01:52, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

DYK for New Georgia, Liberia

On 11 February 2011, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article New Georgia, Liberia, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that New Georgia, Liberia, was established by Africans "recaptured" from a slave ship and held for seven years in Georgia waiting for courts to decide their fate? You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Orlady (talk) 18:02, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia Ambassador Program Newsletter: 13 February 2011

The newsletter of the Wikipedia Ambassador Program – Volume 1, 28 January 2011

This is the second issue of the Wikipedia Ambassador Program Newsletter, with details about what's going on right now and where help is needed.

Userboxes and profiles - Add an ambassador userbox to your page, and make sure you've added your mentor profile!
Be a coordinating ambassador - Pick and class and make sure no students fall through the cracks.
New screencasts - Short videos on watchlists and a number of other topics may be useful to students.
Updates from Campus Ambassadors - Ambassadors are starting to report on classroom experiences, both on-wiki and on the Google Group.
Other news - There's a new on-wiki application for being an Online Ambassador, and Editing Friday #2 is today!
Things you can do - This is just a sample; if you're eager for something to do, there's plenty more.

Delivered by EdwardsBot (talk) 18:22, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

MyTownWiki

This could probably be considered a request for a refund. Would you be willing to userfy it for User:AryconVyper? Thanks! VQuakr (talk) 20:40, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

Mentor issues

I agreed to be a mentor to user:TrueBlueWolverine, but haven't heard from him since. It appears he has stopped editing. Not sure what to do. Could you help? Serendi ^pod ous 14:16, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. I suppose I could wait a little longer. Wouldn't want to be accused of pushing addictions on the young... :) Serendi ^pod ous 14:36, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

Your JMU Mentees

I could use some help finding a mentor. The ones I've asked have told me they are already booked up on people they are mentoring. Do you know of any available ones? Thank you. BrickWallBartholomew (talk) 19:40, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

Lippmare

Hi Donald, Today in class we chose a topic to work on for our project for the semester. I chose a "stub" article called, State Bar Association. My question for you is if you think that this is too broad of a topic and if I should choose a particular state instead, for instance, Virginia State Bar Association? Thanks! Lippmare (talk) 21:21, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

Change of Topic

Hi Donald, after doing some research I realized it would be alot harder to find resources then I had thought and that it might be much harder to write on a topic that I don't understand completely.

Instead, I chose "Budget and Accounting Act" and I am definitely going to keep this as my topic. For homework this weekend we have to write one "cited" paragraph and have it posted on Wikipedia.

I'm not very sure of where to start or how to cite on Wikipedia. Can you point me in the right direction? Thanks! Lippmare (talk) 17:27, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

Pietrogpjmu

Hi again. I didn't realize the criteria for 'DYK' eligibility, but now I do. I plan to work intensely on my article over the next school week, and I'd appreciate it if you could check up on my topic page sometime during the week. Thanks again for the motivation. Pietrogpjmu (talk) 23:11, 19 February 2011 (UTC)

Mentoring students: be sure to check in on them

This message is going out to all of the Online Ambassadors who are, or will be, serving as mentors this term.

Hi there! This is just a friendly reminder to check in on what your mentees are doing. If they've started making edits, take a look and help them out or do some example fixes for them, if they need it. And if they are doing good, let them know it!

If you aren't mentoring anyone yet, it looks like you will be soon; at least one large class is asking us to assign mentors for them, and students in a number of others haven't yet gotten to asking ambassadors to be their mentors, but may soon. --Sage Ross - Online Facilitator, Wikimedia Foundation (talk) 20:06, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

Editing Fridays article for 24 February 2011

The Editing Fridays article for 24 February 2011 is Personal life. The previous article was Theatre. We welcome your help! You can sign up here

--Guerillero | My Talk 00:30, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

Online Ambassador Program

Please take a look at this project page and see if you can be a mentor to one of the many Areas of Study. If you can, please put your name in the "Online Mentor" area of the Area of Study of your choice and then contact the students you will be working with. As the Coordinating Online Ambassador for this project, please let me know if I can be of assistance. Take Care...Neutralhomer • Talk • 04:25, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

DYK nomination of William Douglass

Hello! Your submission of William Douglass at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Cinosaur (talk) 07:21, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

DYK review of George James Bruere

Hello. I have replied to your review of George James Bruere at the Did You Know nominations page. Would you please see my comments there? Moonraker2 (talk) 16:57, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

DYK for William Douglass (physician)

On 5 March 2011, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article William Douglass (physician), which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that William Douglass was an 18th century American physician whose pamphlets on paper money led Adam Smith to call him "honest and downright"? You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Orlady (talk) 02:02, 5 March 2011 (UTC)

Pensacola

Why did you change my edit of "Penscacola was re-founded in 1696" back to "founded." Pensacola was founded in 1559, destroyed in a hurricane, and re-founded 1696. If you walk around downtown all the signs say, "Founded 1559" and "America's First Settlement." Emperor001 (talk) 05:41, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

So the name was changed. Pensacola considers its founding to be 1559 with the intial settlement. While the name Pensacola did not exist until the 1600s, the settlement did. Settlements changed names all the time. The modern state of Louisiana was once New Orleans, and Missouri was once Louisiana. Emperor001 (talk) 20:46, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Pensacola people

On 15 March 2011, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Pensacola people, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that the name of the Pensacola people means "long-haired people" in both the Pensacola language and the closely-related Choctaw language? You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Materialscientist (talk) 08:03, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

Marking articles students are working on

Howdy, Online Ambassador!

This is a quick message to all the ambassadors about marking and tracking which articles students are working on. For the classes working with the ambassador program, please look over any articles being worked on by students (in particular, any ones you are mentoring, but others who don't have mentors as well) and do these things:

Add {{WAP assignment | term = Spring 2011 }} to the articles' talk pages. (The other parameters of the {{WAP assignment}} template are helpful, so please add them as well, but the term = Spring 2011 one is most important.)
If the article is related to United States public policy, make sure the article the WikiProject banner is on the talk page: {{WikiProject United States Public Policy}}
Add Category:Article Feedback Pilot (a hidden category) to the article itself. The second phase of the Article Feedback Tool project has started, and this time we're trying to include all of the articles students are working on. Please test out the Article Feedback Tool, as well. The new version just deployed, so any bug reports or feedback will be appreciated by the tech team working on it.

And of course, don't forget to check in on the students, give them constructive feedback, praise them for positive contributions, award them {{The WikiPen}} if they are doing excellent work, and so on. And if you haven't done so, make sure any students you are mentoring are listed on your mentor profile.

Thanks! --Sage Ross - Online Facilitator, Wikimedia Foundation (talk) 18:11, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Neighborhoods of Miami

You seemed to agree that some of these articles should be deleted in Talk:Neighborhoods of Miami. I tried deleting five of them and they were all rejected. See My Contributions today at 18:33 to 18:22. I know you are an administrator. Any suggestions? GroveGuy (talk) 21:11, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

Editing Fridays article for 25 March

The Editing Fridays article for 25 March is Wainwright Building. The previous article was Personal life. We welcome your help! You can sign up here

--Guerillero | My Talk 17:28, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia Ambassador Program Newsletter: 21 March 2011

The newsletter of the Wikipedia Ambassador Program – Volume 3, 21 March 2011

This is the third issue of the Wikipedia Ambassador Program Newsletter, with details about what's going on right now and where help is needed.

Where the courses are - A brief summary of how each of the 31 Public Policy Initiative courses are faring so far in the Spring 2011 term, as of 9-11 March. Feel free to add more detail.
Tracking students' articles - Make sure students' articles are tagged with {{WAP assignment}} on the talk pages, and have the newly improved Article Feedback Tool active.
Education portal in progress - Wikimedia staff have started work on an outreach portal for information about teaching with and about Wikipedia. Please help develop it!
Online Ambassadors logistics - If you don't have a Wikipedia Ambassador sweatshirt, now's your chance to get one! (Also, some other more mundane, but important, details.)
Steering committee preparing proposals - Look for discussions about two major proposals about the future ambassador program soon: the "Regional Ambassador" role, and elections for a new committee.
Editing Friday returns - This Friday, join fellow ambassadors and others real-time collaboration on Wainwright Building.

Delivered by EdwardsBot (talk) 22:22, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

PC

Hi, thanks for adding to the discussion on Pending Changes. You wrote, "I don't follow the logic that PC has to be turned off completely before we can move on" - so - maybe I can explain.

The problem is, although the majority wants PC, in some form, it is only just a majority. A lot of people don't want it. Therefore, we can't - currently - agree to anything.

Nobody can say e.g. "Let's apply it only to these 100 BLP articles", or "Let's use it only on semi-protected pages", or anything else - because, any such proposal meets enough opposition to be unable to get a consensus.

Partly, that is because everyone is frustrated with a 2-month "trial period" which, 9 months later, is still going on.

So, we're stuck, in limbo.

The only possible way I can see, to clear the air, is to end the trial - and then put forward ideas for discussion.

I've explained this, on the RfC page, in WP:PCRFC#Limbo and Consensus.

In the latter, in particular, it would be great if you could add any ideas.

We really need some way - any way - to move forwards. Any and all ideas are very welcome. Cheers, Chzz ► 18:11, 25 March 2011 (UTC)

Florida State League (Baseball)

I don't know if you are a fan of minor league baseball - but the Florida State League is about to start its season next month. Many of the team pages need work (I'm working on the Daytona Cubs) Gamweb (talk) 07:06, 31 March 2011 (UTC)

List of FSL teams

Thank you for the heads-up, but I'm not a big sports fan, and I'm struggling to find time to work on other articles I've had on my list for a while. -- Donald Albury 10:29, 31 March 2011 (UTC)

Conch house article

On my talk page on 26 March you put a message saying a photo of a conch house would be nice in the article. Alas, I don't do photos. I see User:Averette takes LOTS of photos. Maybe he could do some. GroveGuy (talk) 20:10, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

At first glance, I thought this was about the restaurant in St. Augustine. I made reservations there in May for a party of 10. When we got there, those bitches told us they didn't do reservations. So we hate them (although their outdoor chickee tables are pretty cool...still...we hate them). But I Googled "conch house architecture" and got some images. I went to Key West also in May and took, I think the technical term is "buttload", of pictures. Shall I see if I can find a conch house architecture image? --Moni3 (talk) 20:44, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

Sorry to intercede. I am also local in Miami and do lots of photos (maybe have not posted as many as Averette but I do post many of mine). If you point me to some address of examples (can discuss this by email if you want), I could do a photo for the article. -- Alexf^(talk) 19:21, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

The City of Miami lists a couple of houses as examples of the Conch house style: Mariah Brown House, 3298 Charles Avenue [6] and E.W.F. Stirrup House, 3242 Charles Avenue [7]. Looking at the posted photos, those houses are quite different from the ones in Houses of Key West. My grandparents' house looked more like the description of a Conch house in the article than the Charles Street houses do. Unfortunately, my grandparents' house was taken for the interchange between I-95 and the Dolphin Expressway, and any photos of it I can get hold of would have copyright issues (unknown photographer, no certainty that any were taken before 1923). It does seem that "Conch house" refers more to who built the house than to a specific style. -- Donald Albury 22:21, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. I am already in communication with GroveGuy by email and have now the addresses. Will try to get out there next weekend and hopefully get something good enough to post. -- Alexf^(talk) 22:40, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

Images added. -- Alexf^(talk) 21:03, 2 April 2011 (UTC)

Autoconfirmed RfC

A formal Request for Comment has now been started on this topic. Feel free to contribute; best, Ironholds (talk) 20:27, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

Make sure that you are checking in on your students work for WP:USPP/C/11/PTE

Hey, just a happy reminder to make sure that you are regularly checking in on your mentees work for JMU'S Technical editing class, Sadads (talk) 11:17, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

Fort Center

I noticed your article on Fort Center and made up a precolumbian archeosite infobox for it, but noticed you were actively editing and didnt want to screw you up. Mind if I add it real quick? And would you mind helping to fill it out? I'm not sure of some of the fields, such as archaeologists, excavation history, different cultures, governing body, etc. He iro 17:23, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

Cool, didnt want to step on your progress, its coming along great. All it needs is some pics! He iro 17:29, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

feedback re: landfill gas

Hi! Thanks for sending me the links to get feedback on my article. I'll posted requests on the Brazil and Enironment WikiProject pages. Also, thanks for editing my lede, it's much better now! Deefalvo (talk) 16:44, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

Hello! This may be a silly question, but user Antony-22 suggested I change the title of my article (Landfill Gas Clean Development Mechanism Projects in Brazil) to something shorter - how do I do that? When I click edit I can't see the title. Thanks! Deefalvo (talk) 22:30, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Fort Center

On 21 April 2011, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Fort Center, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that Fort Center may be the earliest archaeological site in Florida where maize was cultivated? You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Materialscientist (talk) 12:03, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia Ambassador Program Newsletter: 22 April 2011

The newsletter of the Wikipedia Ambassador Program – Volume 4, 22 April 2011

This is the fourth issue of the Wikipedia Ambassador Program Newsletter, with details about what's going on right now and where help is needed.

Voting begins for steering committee - The voting phase for the Wikipedia Ambassador Steering Committee election started this week, and will continue through 27 April.
Seeking more Regional Ambassadors in the US - We are still looking for Regional Ambassadors for the United States! The deadline has been extended to Friday, April 29th.
India pilot being organized now - Plans are currently underway for a pilot expansion of the Wikipedia Ambassador Program – in India! Hisham Mundol and other Wikimedia staff have begun recruiting Campus Ambassador candidates for Pune.
Document DYK, peer review and other milestone at the trophy case - If students you are working with (or any others you notice) are doing work that makes to DYK, is nominated for Good Article status, or is just solid content worth marking, then please help us document the students' success at the trophy case.
Ambassador program at Wikimania - We're planning a set of Wikipedia Ambassador Program presentations for Wikimania 2011, in Haifa this August.
Changes to mailing list - A new low-volume mailing list, [Ambassador-announce-l], is being created. It will be reserved for key announcements and news, which we'd like all ambassadors to be subscribed to.

Delivered by EdwardsBot (talk) 16:32, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Fisheating Creek

On 2 May 2011, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Fisheating Creek, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that the name of Fisheating Creek (pictured) is derived from the Seminole name for the stream, Thlothlopopka-Hatchee, or "the river where fish are eaten"? You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

The DYK project (nominate) 12:03, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Econfina Creek

On 6 May 2011, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Econfina Creek, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that more than 120 archaeological sites have been found in the Econfina Creek watershed? You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

The DYK project (nominate) 06:04, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

Please help assess articles for Public Policy Initiative research

Hi Donald Albury/Archive 9,

Your work as an Online Ambassador is making a big contribution to Wikipedia. Right now, we're trying to measure just how much student work improves the quality of Wikipedia. If you'd like contribute to this research and get a firsthand look at the quality improvement that is happening through the project, please sign up to assess articles. Assessment is happening now, just use the quantitative metric and start assessing! Your help would be hugely appreciated!

Thank you, ARoth (Public Policy Initiative) (talk) 17:11, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia Ambassador sweatshirt

Hi! This is the last call for signing on for a Wikipedia Ambassador hooded sweatshirt (in case you missed the earlier message in one of the program newsletters about it). If you would like one, please email me with your name, mailing address, and (US) sweatshirt size. We have a limited number left, so it will be first-come, first-served. (If more than one size would work for you, note that as well.)

Cheers, Sage Ross - Online Facilitator, Wikimedia Foundation (talk) 19:41, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

Please take the Wikipedia Ambassador Program survey

Hi Ambassador,

We are at a pivotal point in the development of the Wikipedia Ambassador Program. Your feedback will help shape the program and role of Ambassadors in the future. Please take this 10 minute survey to help inform and improve the Wikipedia Ambassadors.

WMF will de-identify results and make them available to you. According to KwikSurveys' privacy policy: "Data and email addresses will not be sold, rented, leased or disclosed to 3rd parties." This link takes you to the online survey: http://kwiksurveys.com?u=WPAmbassador_talk

Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments, Thank You!

Amy Roth (Research Analyst, Public Policy Initiative) (talk) 20:38, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

The term Taxonomic synonym...

...is confusing. It doesn't mean "synonym" really, see the article Taxonomic synonym. They might be true synonyms, but they also are often hyponyms. For example, Canis aquaticus is a taxonomic synonym for Canis lupus familiaris, but it's a semantic hyponym because it meant "poodle" (actually any of the "water dogs" in the wider poodle group) which is a hyponym for "dog", meaning it covers only one type of dog, not all dogs. So it's not a synonym, as the term is used in linguistics, but it is a taxonomic synonym. It's a confusing term "taxonomic synonym", I wish they'd call it something else. The way you were arguing on the talk page of the article human made me think that I should take you aside and explain this to you privately, as the way you were arguing seemed to indicate that you were confused about the meaning of the term "synonym" when it is used in taxonomy, that it was the same as "synonym" as the word is normally understood. I hope this helps! Chrisrus (talk) 02:03, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Name change

Would you care to weigh in on a proposed name change to Southeastern tribes, since you've worked on the article? -Uyvsdi (talk) 19:02, 2 June 2011 (UTC)Uyvsdi

Threat

This talk of an edit war is new to me, rather than giving threats of a blocking here and now, why not actually attempt to assist me? I was not aware of a 'slow' deletion process, and I find it hard to believe there isn't a form of appeal available by reinstating it. Rather than simply going 'we'll block you if you do it', actually offer an explanation of the actual due process? It's starting to become clear why this site constantly gets targeted by vandals, the way mods behave on here only serves to spur them on. Aidyzzle (talk) 23:10, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

Can I ask why you removed content

You removed two links claiming they were not relevant to the article. We interviewed the link content owner before posting our contribution. Their article more accurately describes Radio Jingles.

Similarly you removed two links yet you left a 401 missing and broken as one that is relevant?

Can you help me by understanding why those links remaining are relevant and ours were not? JasonBournes1 (talk) 15:56, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

Link removal

You asked me to read the content I did that. My question was. What is in breach of the rules, what is wrong with those two links what constitutes a breach exactly, upon what exact grounds are you removing them and is this factual or speculative on your part? Secondly you did not ask why you removed two links but left a 401 dead link on the page, is a dead link more relevant than the links we chose? What is your authority personally in the field of radio, radio jingles or this context please?

All of these will help me understand why the content I added was saved but external links were removed, makes no sense to me at this stage.

Forgive me but isn't there a discussion about edits or is it a case of we just remove things we don't personally agree with on Wikipedia?

JasonBournes1 (talk) 21:55, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

Dead link recommendations

My apologies, I was not aware that it was up to two years (I thought it was a good number of months) nor was I aware of the Wayback Machine. Thanks for telling me about them. Dalyup! (talk) 14:50, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

Parrott

see his response to you. ani. time but i am ina field so a few hours. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dougweller (talk • contribs) 13:09, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

About Deletion of Front for the Liberation of the Napolitania

Why do you deleted this article, actually I was not ready with that, could you set a Temp tag instead next time and write something in talk before you delete??! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Napule (talk • contribs) 16:26, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

Front for the Liberation of the Napolitania

Author of the article you deleted (which I tagged for speedy deletion) is not happy with the decision, and seems to be directing his comments at me (on the erroneous assumption that I was the one who deleted the article). See User talk:Napule#Speedy deletion nomination of Front for the Liberation of the Napolitania and User talk:Singularity42#Speedy Deletion of Front for the Liberation of the Napolitania. I just thought I would bring it to your attention. Singularity42 (talk) 16:31, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

Nevermind. I see he has already found his way here ([8]). Singularity42 (talk) 16:44, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

Pensacola

You reverted an edit by me as an IP as "vandalism" when someone (perhaps me when I first added the information) inverted the numbers "45.9" as "49.5". I like to edit anonymously nowadays but I figured this wouldn't be fixed/clarified until I logged in under my name to let you know that I, a trusted user and admin for 7+ years and not a random IP off the street, made those changes and they were good, I swear! ;) Mike H. Fierce! 08:32, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

An editor (at least one I don't recognize) making an unexplained change to a number strikes me as likely vandalism, and in the cases where I have taken the time and been able to verify the correct number, it has been vandalism. I didn't try to chase down the source in this case because the change lowered the percentage of 'religious' in Pensacola, which struck me as an extraordinary (and unlikely) claim. Calling this edit vandalism was a judgement call (I often revert suspicious edits without labeling them vandalism), and I likely would do so again under similar circumstances. I probably would have spent more time checking the sources (if available) for an edit from a signed-in account. -- Donald Albury 11:57, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

I just can't be bothered to log in a whole lot anymore. I run my own magazine and it takes up a lot of my time. When I see an edit that needs to be changed, I do it. That's all. --Mike H. Fierce! 17:12, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: Herman Fetzer

Hello Donald Albury. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Herman Fetzer, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: Several books published on notable, major, publishers. Thank you. Courcelles 23:37, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

re. blocking of Acacia chemical constituents

Can you please refer to which references you claim are unreliable. How is a public lecture at a peer conference attended by 400 people unreliable? How is Wikipedia to stay truly up to date if you believe publication in an established peer review journal is the only form of reference? If the references and claims are false, then someone should be able to demonstrate this. I submitted this information in the public interest, it's a shame they can't judge it for themselves.. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nen888 (talk • contribs) 13:07, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

Please read the policy at Wikipedia:Verifiability, and specifically, the first sentence of the second paragraph, which says: "To show that it is not original research, all material added to articles must be attributable to a reliable, published source appropriate for the content in question." Lectures are not published sources. In the section "Reliable sources", the policy states: "The word "source" in Wikipedia has three meanings: the piece of work itself (a document, article, paper, or book), the creator of the work (for example, the writer), and the publisher of the work (for example, The New York Times). All three can affect reliability." Moreover, the source has to be reasonably available to a reader of Wikipedia. Lectures, by their nature, are not available after they are given. Published reports of the contents of a lecture (not your personal notes) may be usable sources, however. -- Donald Albury 15:36, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

About Deletion of the text of the historical marker in Westside Park in Gainesville, Florida

This text is verbatim from a public monument that that stands in a city park and was erected by the "Alachua County Historical Commission in cooperation with department of - State 1975"

It is *NOT* copyrighted.

Although it is quoted in a copyrighted book, the text itself not copyrighted and I copied the text from the monument itself. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lipsio (talk • contribs) 13:45, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

Any creative material published by any entity, other than the United States government, is subject to copyright in the United States (and any other country signatory to the Bern Convention). Anything published by state or local governments in the U.S. is subject to copyright. In the section about the United States in List of countries' copyright length, it states that the length of copyright is "95 years from publication for works published 1964–1977". If you still wish to pursue the claim that this historical plaque is not under copyright, you can ask about it at Wikipedia:Media copyright questions. -- Donald Albury 19:59, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

Thus have I done, albeit reluctantly seeing that you are a Wikipedia administrator and ambassador and so, I suppose, should know what is a copyright violation and what is not. Nonetheless, I find it *so* hard to believe that the marker falls into that category (especially since it's quoted in print in a book I referenced in the article in question) that I've asked; also, methinks that if "Anything published by state or local governments in the U.S. is subject to copyright" then even statutes can not be quoted on Wikipedia.

If I'm judged as in violation, I do promise to never repeat the mistake and please accept my apolgies in advance,

Lipsio (talk) 21:18, 5 July 2011 (UTC) Vince Lipsio

As you may well be aware, I did ask about it at Wikipedia:Media copyright questions your opinion was upheld: http://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Wikipedia:Media_copyright_questions#Is_the_text_of_a_historical_marker_erected_by_a_local_government_in_the_public_domain.3F

Your reversion and your note on the discussion page have been noted. Some day I may extract a few relevant data from the text and incorporate them into the article.

Please accept my apologies for not knowing that such items might be reckoned as not in the public domain.

Vincent J. Lipsio 19:00, 6 July 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lipsio (talk • contribs)

Wikipedia takes a very conservative position on questions of copyright. Many people are not aware of the extent of copyright coverage. The question of whether something is covered by copyright is sometimes complicated, and Wikipedia defaults to the assumption that an item is covered by copyright unless it is very clear that the item is in the public domain or has been released under a suitable license, such as CC-SA or other license that does not restrict any reuse (including commercial reuse) or modification. -- Donald Albury 09:11, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
	Thanks for your work as an Online Ambassador. If you could clone yourself a couple of times, that would be great. Thanks! Drmies (talk) 20:54, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Declined copyright CSD nomination

You declined a speedy deletion nomination of Alternate Solutions Institute, giving in your edit summary the reason "part of article is not obviously a copyvio". However, I could not find any significant content at all in the article which was not either verbatim or very closely paraphrased from one or other of http://www.hum-azad.org/node/70, http://asinstitute.org/about, and http://asinstitute.org/node/382 so I have deleted the article. Certainly much of the material you left in was copied from one or other of those sources, and as far as I can see all of it was. Perhaps you meant that part of it was not copied from the source given in the speedy deletion template. However, it seems to me that whenever a substantial copyright infringement has been found it is essential to check the rest of the article too, as very commonly material is copied from more than one source. JamesBWatson (talk) 13:14, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

Ambassador Program: assessment drive

Even though it's been quiet on-wiki, the Wikipedia Ambassador Program has been busy over the last few months getting ready for the next term. We're heading toward over 80 classes in the US, across all disciplines. You'll see courses start popping up here, and this time we want to match one or more Online Ambassadors to each class based on interest or expertise in the subject matter. If you see a class that you're interested, please contact the professor and/or me; the sooner the Ambassadors and professors get in communication, the better things go. Look for more in the coming weeks about next term.

In the meantime, with a little help I've identified all the articles students did significant work on in the last term. Many of the articles have never been assessed, or have ratings that are out of date from before the students improved them. Please help assess them! Pick a class, or just a few articles, and give them a rating (and add a relevant WikiProject banner if there isn't one), and then update the list of articles.

Once we have updated assessments for all these articles, we can get a better idea of how quality varied from course to course, and which approaches to running Wikipedia assignments and managing courses are most effective.

--Sage Ross - Online Facilitator, Wikimedia Foundation (talk) 17:23, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

Spectator Amateur Press Society

The material that Trapdoor was accused of a copyvio with, is the text of an old Wikipedia article he'd written himself, and then posted to another site (since Wikipedia editors seemed prejudiced against an institution that was famous before most of us were born). He's getting frustrated and I'm having trouble getting him to understand what is going on here. --Orange Mike | Talk 12:56, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

FAR for History of Miami

This article is being reviewed for de-nomination:

Daniel Christensen (talk) 16:41, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

Online Ambassadors: Time to join pods

Hello! If you're planning to be an active Online Ambassador for the upcoming academic term, now is the time to join one or more pods. (A pod consists of the instructor, the Campus Ambassadors, and the Online Ambassadors for single class.) The Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) explains the expectations for being part of a pod as an Online Ambassador. (The MOU for pods in Canada is essentially the same.) In short, the role of Online Ambassadors this term consists of:

Working closely with the instructor and Campus Ambassadors, providing advice and perspective as an experienced Wikipedian
Helping students who ask for it (or helping them to find the help they need)
Watching out for the class as a whole
Helping students to get community feedback on their work

This replaces the 1-on-1 mentoring role for Online Ambassadors that we had in previous terms; rather than being responsible for individual students (some of whom don't want or help or are unresponsive), Online Ambassadors will be there to help whichever students in their class(es) ask for help.

You can browse the upcoming courses here: United States; Canada. More are being added as new pods become active and create their course pages.

Once you've found a class that you want to work with—especially if you some interest or expertise in the topic area—you should sign the MOU listing for that class and get in touch with the instructor. We're hoping to have at least two Online Ambassadors per pod, and more for the larger classes.

If you're up for supporting any kind of class and would like me to assign you to a pod in need of more Online Ambassadors, just let me know.

--Sage Ross - Online Facilitator, Wikimedia Foundation (talk) 16:31, 19 August 2011 (UTC)

PS: There are still a lot of student articles from the last term that haven't been rated. Please rate a few and update the list!

Hey Donald! Be sure to sign the MOU for the pods you're supporting, too. --Sage Ross - Online Facilitator, Wikimedia Foundation (talk) 16:37, 26 August 2011 (UTC)

My article on the Spectator Amateur Press Society (SAPS)

Donald,

I have rewritten this article in such a way that it's not a "direct copy" from Fancyclopedia 3. I agree that a 14-member group is not all that noteworthy, but it seems inconsistent to allow an article on the Fantasy Amateur Press Association (FAPA) -- to which I have contributed with several edits -- to stand when it has only 32 members and not to allow one on SAPS. Please contact me directly -- trapdoor (at) ymail (dot) com -- to discuss. Thanks.

Robert Lichtman — Preceding unsigned comment added by Trapdoor2010 (talk • contribs) 22:56, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

Please understand that I did not delete the SAPS article because of lack of notability. I deleted it because it was a copy of copyrighted material. I will note that the notability of an organization is not a function of how many members it has, but rather a function of how much material is available from independent reliable published sources. For an article about an organization, the Wikipedia guideline on the notability of organizations states, "Wikipedia bases its decision about whether an organization is notable enough to justify a separate article on the verifiable evidence that the organization or product has attracted the notice of reliable sources unrelated to the organization or product." Also, the existence of an article about another organization that you feel is no more notable than SAPS should not be a factor in judging whether SAPS is notable enough for an article. If you re-create the SAPS article with wording that does not violate any copyright, I won't object.

(This is a copy of my email to you.) -- Donald Albury 12:11, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

Hey, Donald, did you notice that the text which was tagged as a copyright violation was written by one Robert Lichtman, a/k/a User:Trapdoor2010? He's not an experienced Wikipedian, and is going crazy being told that he is violating his own copyright (on material originally written as a Wikipedia article, and deleted a while back)!!!! Somebody should already have given you a link to Wikipedia:Donating copyrighted materials, Robert. --Orange Mike | Talk 12:54, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

Information on how to get permission to use copyrighted material was posted on Trapdoor's talk page almost 2 years ago. Even if he wrote the original material, he would need to explicitly license it for free use to reuse it in Wikipedia. I am not keeping him from recreating the article with rewritten content. I am not keeping him from releasing the material under a free license. I am not taking a position on the notability of the organization, but won't be surprised if someone else challenges it. -- Donald Albury 21:52, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

Sig fix

In old (circa 2005) RD archives, your signature was changing the entire RD page into funky green and pink colors. I removed the font tags from your signatures that did that. Just wanted you to know in case you go back and wonder what happened to them. -- kainaw ™ 19:27, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

Fort Myers- I thought this might interest you

I challenged the same person you did three years ago about the notability[9] of the weightlifters he has listed. If you got some thoughts. Did you come to agreement with him or decide it wasn't worth fighting?- William 01:31, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

I hadn't been looking at that page for a while. I just removed the two names again. -- Donald Albury 10:56, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

It was being discussed on the talk page. Then you decided to act without participating in the discussion after William canvassed your support. Niteshift36 (talk) 15:27, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

Thanks!

Thanks for leaving welcome messages for my students! Awadewit (talk) 02:35, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Barnstar of Diligence
	Thank you for your tireless work making sure the ambassador-related pages are all in sync! It hasn't gone unnoticed. sonia♫ 22:17, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

Hello!

Hello! My name is Kristi Fernandez-Kim! I just wanted to drop by and say Hi and THANK YOU for being our Online Ambassador for the Prokaryotic Diversity and Plate Tectonics class. It'll be nice to work with you! --만두 (talk) 04:45, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

Children's Literature Fall11

Hey there! While the above referenced fall course has 25 students with five OAs, I have decided to step back and help other classes that do not have support. We have a current class, Wikipedia:School_and_university_projects/HardenPsy101 with 194 students (and more expected) that does not yet have the support of a Campus Ambassador or Online Ambassadors. Since the Children's Literature class is covered, would you be willing to switch it up and serve as an OA for the Psyche101 class? Any help you can offer is appreciated. Let me know, Cind.amuse (Cindy) 22:44, 15 September 2011 (UTC)

I was waiting to commit myself to more classes as I am the sole Online Ambassador for two other classes. I have left welcoming messages on the talk pages of all the students who have added their names to the classes I've committed to, and do not intend to withdraw from working with those classes. I will also note that as of 24 hours ago we had 24 classes for which no one has signed up as Online Ambassador, and 25 classes with only one Online Ambassador. Frankly, the response from the current list of Online Ambassadors has been underwhelming. I will be talking to Sage and the other Steering Committee members about putting a push on. -- Donald Albury 10:52, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, Don. I totally agree with the "underwhelming" sentiment, although I had two individuals pleasantly step forward today to help out. ;) I hear ya and respect your desire to forgo bypassing the students you are already working with. Completely understandable. I actually contacted you with this suggestion after a conversation with Annie today. We thought one class of 25 students utilizing the support of five OAs was rather poor stewardship of volunteer resources. For the most part, the other classes (without OAs) haven't started yet. Others, while they are listed at the Wikipedia:United States Education Program course(s) page, haven't completed the individual course page, which provides information about the course and students. I think a "push", prod, poke, (kick... I digress) would be good at this point. I'll make an effort tomorrow and this weekend to hit up any inactive or less active OAs to sign up and help cover any other (active) courses. Thinking maybe some were busy IRL this summer and just getting back in the groove. Let me know if I can help in any other way. Best regards, Cind.amuse (Cindy) 11:57, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

I've already noted to the Steering Committee the courses that are listed on the MOU signature page that do not have course pages started. I've just been updating a spreadsheet listing which Online Ambassadors have signed which pages. Unfortunately, signing up as an Online Ambassador for a course entails going to four different pages, so I'm trying to make sure they all get updated. -- Donald Albury 12:07, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

I just noticed this conversation and thought I'd ask -- which are the four pages? I saw that you'd updated at least one page which I'd missed for my signups (thank you!) and would like to know which ones I need to keep an eye on. I was thinking of posting a note to Sage saying that it is a little hard for an OA to figure out where to go and what to do -- the nice thing about having students pick OAs was that we knew exactly who to talk to. Should we be asking the course tutors to pick OAs, or have someone assign OAs? I am sure a lot of OAs would be fine with that. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 12:19, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

Yes! I completely agree. Four different pages, er... I'm still not sure where they are located. It kinda became a bit confusing this semester. If it is confusing for OAs, I'm wondering if it is now more confusing for profs. I've noticed a few from last semester missing from the mix. Mike, I think asking course tutors to select OAs may be a bit overwhelming for them. Possibly feeling a tad intimidated, I think this is an area for which they tend to rely on us. They're more concerned with the classroom. (JMHO) Don, I would love to see your spreadsheet when you're done. Your work is appreciated. Cind.amuse (Cindy) 12:49, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

The four pages are: the individual course page, the list of courses at Wikipedia:United States Education Program/Courses/2011 Q3, your listing at Wikipedia:Online Ambassadors/Mentors, and the MOU signature page. I will raise the issue of how that process can be made easier. Unfortunately, I'm not in a position to fix it myself any time soon. This term is a major shift from the previous model of the student seeking out a mentor to the current model of Ambassadors seeking out courses to work with. IIRC, the change was covered in the Ambassador newsletter, but I think we need to make sure all Ambassadors understand the change. I seem to remember saying I would work on that a while back, but I guess I dropped the ball. Have to leave for work now, so it will be later today before I can work on this. -- Donald Albury 12:51, 16 September 2011 (UTC)