User talk:Deaxmann
November 2024
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Hello, I'm Cassiopeia. I noticed that in this edit to Naoya Inoue, you removed content without adequately explaining why. In the future, it would be helpful to others if you described your changes to Wikipedia with an edit summary. If this was a mistake, don't worry, the removed content has been restored. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. Cassiopeia talk 03:42, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
- Hello Cassiopeia, I have been editing the "Naoya Inoue" page for a short time. Recently, someone has been making edits that I feel are not needed and add nothing to the information found on the page. Here is an example of edits that I feel serve no purpose and fill up the page with meaningless text: "Inoue battered Hernández, like an unknown singer on the X Factor blowing everyone away the second she opens her mouth." Deaxmann (talk) 22:38, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
- See comments on my talk page. stay safe and best. Cassiopeia talk 00:31, 15 November 2024 (UTC)
Naoya Inoue
[edit]Hey if you like we can remove the like an unknown singer on the X Factor blowing everyone away the second she opens her mouth. And Like a pint sized George Foreman part. I think you are right they serve no purpose. Ronten5 (talk) 01:16, 15 November 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you. Cassiopeia says we should also remove all the "play-by-play content" meaning the descriptions of what happened during his fights. Deaxmann (talk) 01:24, 15 November 2024 (UTC)
- I think play by play should stay as they are for significant bouts. For insignificant bouts they are no play by play description.Ronten5 (talk) 01:25, 15 November 2024 (UTC)
- I think it's possible but we would have to edit it down to lose all the flowery parts. We would need to be as neutral as we can. Deaxmann (talk) 01:30, 15 November 2024 (UTC)
- They only play by play description exist for the Nery fight, which was the biggest fight of Inoue's career. And I'm not sure if there are any flowery parts, since everything thats written was what happened during the fight and I think we should leave it as it is. Ronten5 (talk) 01:36, 15 November 2024 (UTC)
- I disagree. I think the whole description is flowery. Remember, we just need to write the facts. "20 seconds after the opening bell, Inoue did as his fans hoped, launched a right-hand missile but it missed by a mile. No matter, Inoue went swinging for it again. Two times. Three times. And then, as both attempted wild strikes, Nery missed a left hook by a huge margin. Then, suddenly, as the fighters came in close and Inoue attacked, he had left himself wide open and Nery saw a gap. The Mexican southpaw reached around the corner with a left hook, and the impossible was on. Inoue spiraled to the canvas. Inoue appeared clear in his eyes and listened to the count of referee Michael Griffin while perched on one knee." I don't think any of this is necessary. This works for an article written about the match but not for a wikipedia page. I would instead write something like "In the first round, Inoue was dropped to the canvas for the first time in his career by way of a left hook. Inoue returned the favor, sending Nery down to the canvas in the 2nd, 5th and finally in the 6th round to win the fight by TKO." That gets straight to the point and neatly sums up the high points of the bout. Deaxmann (talk) 01:55, 15 November 2024 (UTC)
- I had cleaned up the part of about fans had hoped and listening to ref's count while pperched on one knee.
- But the part In the first round, Inoue was dropped to the canvas for the first time in his career by way of a left hook. Inoue returned the favor, sending Nery down to the canvas in the 2nd, 5th and finally in the 6th round to win the fight by TKO." Is way too short for bout this significant. Ronten5 (talk) 03:24, 15 November 2024 (UTC)
- Hey you should read what you wrote. This is your revision and it makes no sense. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Naoya_Inoue&diff=prev&oldid=1257846342 2607:FEA8:639F:8740:1CD5:D81F:8BF7:B66 (talk) 23:29, 16 November 2024 (UTC)
- Hi IP editor, Go to the article talk page and not editor talk page to discuss issues you have and stop attacking editor for you will be blocked. Cassiopeia talk 23:36, 16 November 2024 (UTC)
- I disagree. I think the whole description is flowery. Remember, we just need to write the facts. "20 seconds after the opening bell, Inoue did as his fans hoped, launched a right-hand missile but it missed by a mile. No matter, Inoue went swinging for it again. Two times. Three times. And then, as both attempted wild strikes, Nery missed a left hook by a huge margin. Then, suddenly, as the fighters came in close and Inoue attacked, he had left himself wide open and Nery saw a gap. The Mexican southpaw reached around the corner with a left hook, and the impossible was on. Inoue spiraled to the canvas. Inoue appeared clear in his eyes and listened to the count of referee Michael Griffin while perched on one knee." I don't think any of this is necessary. This works for an article written about the match but not for a wikipedia page. I would instead write something like "In the first round, Inoue was dropped to the canvas for the first time in his career by way of a left hook. Inoue returned the favor, sending Nery down to the canvas in the 2nd, 5th and finally in the 6th round to win the fight by TKO." That gets straight to the point and neatly sums up the high points of the bout. Deaxmann (talk) 01:55, 15 November 2024 (UTC)
- They only play by play description exist for the Nery fight, which was the biggest fight of Inoue's career. And I'm not sure if there are any flowery parts, since everything thats written was what happened during the fight and I think we should leave it as it is. Ronten5 (talk) 01:36, 15 November 2024 (UTC)
- I think it's possible but we would have to edit it down to lose all the flowery parts. We would need to be as neutral as we can. Deaxmann (talk) 01:30, 15 November 2024 (UTC)
- I think play by play should stay as they are for significant bouts. For insignificant bouts they are no play by play description.Ronten5 (talk) 01:25, 15 November 2024 (UTC)
Removing things on Inoue's page.
[edit]I think it's fine that you wanna remove things to make it neutral. You can do this with things that didn't actually happen in Inoue's fights. But removing things that did infact happen would be going against the source. Ronten5 (talk) 01:45, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
- Can't you see that calling Inoue's punches "perfect" and saying he "dominated" are not neutral. They are opinions of the author. I also don't believe you're fine with that, if you were, you would have discussed this with me before instead of continuously reverting my edits. You have been warned multiple times about this, yet you continue to do it. @Mac Dreamstate Deaxmann (talk) 01:48, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
- Dude it wasn't me who wrote perfect punch or dominated. Those have been on Inoue's page since 2014 and 2018. You can go back and look at 2018 revision and it's there. These were written by the first editor on Inoue's page and it has stood every since. But you keep trying to removed it. Ronten5 (talk) 02:41, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
- It doesn't matter who initially wrote it. The guidelines state that we must maintain a neutral POV and those words go against that. You have been told that many times and continue putting it back. Deaxmann (talk) 02:44, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
- except it stoot still all this time, meaning it fit the guidelines. But then out of nowhere you show up and start removing it. Ronten5 (talk) 02:48, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
- It doesn't matter who initially wrote it. The guidelines state that we must maintain a neutral POV and those words go against that. You have been told that many times and continue putting it back. Deaxmann (talk) 02:44, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
- Dude it wasn't me who wrote perfect punch or dominated. Those have been on Inoue's page since 2014 and 2018. You can go back and look at 2018 revision and it's there. These were written by the first editor on Inoue's page and it has stood every since. But you keep trying to removed it. Ronten5 (talk) 02:41, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
- This is what Cassieopeia said to you just a few days ago: "Ronten 5, we dont use smash, we just state Inoue won the fight and the score card - That all. We should not place words like "perfect jabs - accordingly to who?", "tough verteran - who says he is tough?", "astonishing power and accuarcy - who think that? what standard are we based on?" " just thirty seconds - we put in thirty seconds into x round" - the word just is an adverb - dont use it" and many more of such example. Keep is "very short, simple and factual- like - He won the fight." Deaxmann (talk) 01:55, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
- Except I don't care what he said since it wasn't me who wrote it. It was already there on Inoue's page since the beginning, but you keep removing it. That's why Cassiopeia told you to not to remove it and he reverted your revision. But then you complained and he stated removing it as well. Ronten5 (talk) 02:46, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Ronten5: It doesnt matter who put it there first but you revert and add it back. AGAIN, go to the article talk page and discuss and NOT on the editor (Deaxmann) page. All NPOV info need to rewrite. Cassiopeia talk 02:46, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
- They reverted my revision because I didn't know to include an edit summary. Deaxmann (talk) 03:19, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
hi I bive you write to me on one of the talk page ; however I could not help you at the moment as I have no landline Internet due to some cable damages for it has been raining for two weeks here. I will check you the next sdue when I have the Internet for I am writing to you on my mobile for the message. Cassiopeia talk 20:40, 20 November 2024 (UTC)