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User:Darwinian Ape, as you can see by this French Wikipedia page on Intelligent design (French: Dessein intelligent), they give both sides of the argument, presenting the subject in a more neutral tone. They write (translated from the French): "Intelligent design is presented as a scientific theory by its promoters, but in the scientific world it is considered as a pseudoscience, for reasons that both the internal facts of biology and also epistemological criteria cannot be rectified (the proponents of intelligent design appearing to biologists as having ignored numerous arguments, the more notable of which being the falsifiability criterion of Karl Popper)..." I am, therefore, quick to admit that the WP article on Intelligent design should at least attempt to show that ID is viewed differently by different folks, and that even if it were not a scientific theory, per se, it is still a philosophical question suggestive of something else beyond what is seen by our naked eye, and that some biochemists (i.e. Michael Behe) and physicists (i.e. Albert Einstein) have entertained that notion as a real possibility, given all their scientific experience. Do you think that it would be possible for us to incorporate something along the lines of the French article into our own English article, and to admit that there is a philosophical question that has been the subject of debate (or of mere musings) by some respected people of the scientific community?Davidbena (talk) 21:28, 9 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, but as I explained at the talk page of that article, we can't present the views of a fringe group as equal to scientific consensus and give them equal weight. It's not that we are being biased, we are following the scientific consensus that ID is pseudoscientific. You should check how we define creationism: "Creationism is the belief that the Universe and Life originate "from specific acts of divine creation." It is defined as a belief not science, ID however is defined as pseudoscience because it is promoted as science. Darwinian Ape^talk 21:58, 9 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. I gave a rejoinder on the ID Talk-page.Davidbena (talk) 22:03, 9 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Question on an RFC you started.

Hi. I close RFC's. One you started "RFC: for health section:benefits to be removed" is listed at WP:ANRFC. But I noticed that the section header says "RFC closed". Did you withdraw or stop the RFC? AlbinoFerret 18:22, 8 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hello AlbinoFerret, the reason I started that RFC was that there were poorly sourced material that should be removed, and the regulars of the article were reverting me, citing no consensus while not engaging my arguments. After I contacted project medicine, regulars of the page accepted that the material was not in compliance with WP:MEDRS So there was no need for further comment anymore and I removed the template assuming that was the correct course of action. I thought by removing the template it was being closed, clearly I was mistaken. Darwinian Ape^talk 19:54, 8 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thats why I asked, if you removed the RFC template, and marked it closed, you in effect withdrew the RFC. Sometimes things get listed on WP:ANRFC that really dont need to be closed. Thats the case here. I will box it up to archive it and mark it as withdrawn on ANRFC. AlbinoFerret 20:28, 8 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, thanks. Darwinian Ape^talk 20:38, 8 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Move to draft

I moved an article you've been working on to draft space here Draft:Post-Ebola syndrome. Before this article goes live please make sure it adheres to WP:V, WP:MEDRS, WP:MEDMOS. Also the image you used for an eye misrepresents the source – there is nothing to indicate that this individual ever had e bola. -- CFCF 🍌 (email) 11:24, 27 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hi CFCF; I will try to make the necessary improvements on the sources, though admittedly there isn't much academic source on the subject currently that would meet MEDRS.(to my knowledge anyway) Originally I used another image which was confirmed to be the eye of a former Ebola patient, but we've had copyright issues and had to change it(see talk page for the discussion) Darwinian Ape^talk 15:12, 27 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Wikipedia:Files for deletion/2015 October 10#File:Marky Mark and the Funky Bunch Wildside.jpg

I decided to nominate the European image for deletion after "no consensus" in the talk page. --George Ho (talk) 14:06, 10 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@George Ho: Okay, though the closing admin suggested that it should be taken to Wikipedia talk:Non-free content, and I agree. Since there are more albums with the same predicament, it would be nice to make it clear once and for all. Darwinian Ape^talk 16:11, 10 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

That suggestion is futile, and I want to avoid forum shopping. There has been central discussion about adding more than one images for albums and singles. Although normally only one image is enough, every case may vary. --George Ho (talk) 16:13, 10 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@George Ho: Well, it could have been better to solve this policy limbo about using two "fair use" images, but I'll defer to your judgment. Cheers!

Darwinian Ape^talk 16:42, 10 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

By the way, care to vote? --George Ho (talk) 05:36, 11 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

sure. Darwinian Ape^talk 17:13, 12 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy deletion nomination of Mei (2016 film)

A tag has been placed on Mei (2016 film) requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section R2 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is a redirect from the article namespace to a different namespace except the Category, Template, Wikipedia, Help, or Portal namespaces.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be removed without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Stefan2 (talk) 14:20, 20 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

H, @Stefan2: I did not create that page, in fact I was the one who first tagged it with speedy deletion which was removed by the user ‎Meithemovie. The editor who created the page is a new account so I did not want to discourage them and moved the article to draft. Since then they have restored the article and likely to do that again. Unfortunately, we may have to bring this to AN\I Darwinian Ape^talk 14:35, 20 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

You were the one who created the redirect, so you were the one who got the notification about the pending deletion of the redirect. I think that AfD would be less stressing than AN/I for new editors. --Stefan2 (talk) 14:39, 20 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The thing is, ‎Meithemovie is unresponsive and keeps removing the tags for deletion as they did just now. That's why I think we going to have to go to AN. Darwinian Ape^talk 14:41, 20 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The page was nominated for deletion under WP:R2, which only covers redirects, so it was correct to remove the tag when the page changed from "redirect" to "article". If you think that the page shouldn't be in the article namespace, then I'd recommend AfD instead of AN/I, and only involve AN/I if AfD doesn't help. --Stefan2 (talk) 15:26, 20 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Enforcement

I ask you to delete your statement on my enforcement request. For how much you seem to love Canvassing, you don't seem to have read the guidelines for it very well. WP:APPNOTE: On the talk pages of a user mentioned in the discussion (particularly if the discussion concerns complaints about user behavior). I did not link those people because I thought they would support me, I linked them because I had already linked difs of them being reverted by the user in question and giving warnings to him, so this certainly regards them too. Your comment is very distasteful and a violation of WP:NOTTHEM by trying to distract from the subject. If you will not delete your statement out of human decency, you should delete it because it shows you have a WP:BATTLEGROUND mentality by stalking my edits with bad faith and looking to cause trouble. --Oatitonimly (talk) 02:31, 8 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Oatitonimly: I am by no means stalking your edits, AE page is on my watchlist. By your own words you pinged the involved editors who were on the "opposite side" of the editor you want sanctioned because they have seen the "tedious editing" It's an obvious attempt at rallying them to support you:( These users have all been involved with Gala19000's tedious editing and given him various warnings, both shown above. I invite them all to come here and give their thoughts if they wish to.) You haven't mentioned any of them by name or their actions in your arguments so that they needed to be informed. It's a clear cut canvassing attempt. I genuinely hoped you would refrain from this kind of behavior since you have already been reported once. I don't know what other user did, your excessive amounts of diffs are not really reader friendly, but it's at best WP:KETTLE I'm sorry, I don't have any ill will towards you, but you are disrupting Wikipedia with this behavior. Darwinian Ape^talk 03:15, 8 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Then take a look at the other cases, it's very common to ping people involved. Two of these people gave him the discretionary alert, I had to include them. You're saying linking their edits (their actions) is not enough and I'd have to mention them by name. Wikipedia guidelines don't typically tolerate weasel words loopholes, that sounds like Wikipedia:Gaming the system. Same reason why they don't take kindly to people that edit ware while carefully avoiding the 3RR. You say you have no ill will but you blatantly try to cause a distraction on enforcement. With the same sincerity when you asked me to revert my edit on the treaty, which I would've if the situation hadn't resolved itself before I came back, I ask you to remove your distracting and off topic statement here and let the request take its due process. Oatitonimly (talk) 03:42, 8 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

You most certainly didn't have to include them just because they were the ones that gave the DS warnings. DS warnings are given regardless of any wrongdoing to notify the editor of DS's. It is acceptable to ping involved editors when they are directly involved in the dispute it's not however ok to ping the editors just because they once given the editor whom you are seeking to be sanctioned warnings and you think they are on your side of the argument, which is what you did. Now you accuse me of gaming the system which is a full on reflection since you are the one who is trying to find loopholes to justify your pinging of the one side of the dispute in an attempt to gain support.

I will delete my comment if you acknowledge in AE that what you did was wrong, apologize and pledge not do that again. Don't try to effect voting by selectively notifying editors, don't try a kind of thing you did by mass replacing Turkish-Armenian War to your preferred wordings, try to gain consensus before going on deleting stuff. You accused me of carefully avoiding 3rr, not really true since I didn't realized I already reverted twice because of your disruptive mass editing. I am really fond of WP:BRD and I suggest you adopt the same principle in your editing. I will delete the comment temporarily to offer you a chance as an AGF action. One more piece of advice is that you should withdraw that request, it's malformed and consists of too many diffs to be evaluated, and has a choose your own adventure type DS. I don't know what your involvement with that editor is, but it seems it's related to the Turkish-Armenian War article in which you behaved very poorly. I'm waiting for your response, regards. Darwinian Ape^talk 04:31, 8 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I already told you that I notified the first user because because, if you look up on the talk page, he once nominated renaming the page to a similar name. I informed Tiptoethroughtheminefield because I mistakenly thought he was involved as well, but I was actually thinking of discussions on Talk:Armenian Genocide and Talk:2016 Armenian–Azerbaijani clashes. Intentions aside, I admit it was a mistake and won't do it again. And no I didn't accuse you of violating 3RR, it was just an example. Thanks for the advice, I'll make improvements instead. --Oatitonimly (talk) 04:54, 8 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Oatitonimly:: To be perfectly clear; I expect you to go to the AE discussion you've started, and post that you acknowledge what you did by pinging all those editors was canvassing and wrong, apologize and promise not to do something similar again, right below the mass pinging call that you posted. Because otherwise you are effectively asking me to leave you alone for you to canvass without disruption, which I will not do. I understand you don't want to withdraw your report, but don't be surprised if a boomerang action hits you there. Darwinian Ape^talk 05:28, 8 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

No I won't, this has nothing to do with your canvassing conspiracy, now you're just being a disruptive jackass. What was the point of removing your statement for only a few hours (I assumed by "temporarily" you meant after some admins assessed it)? What happened to give my enforcement request a fair chance without changing the subject? --Oatitonimly (talk) 02:05, 9 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I told you I would not stand by while you were canvassing in a hope to pile on the editor you reported. The point of removing my comment was to give you the chance to come clean and inform the editors you pinged that it was wrong to ping them, so that they can be informed that the notification was one sided canvassing. Since you wont do that, I had to inform the editors you pinged of the situation. Also, please do try to be civil and refrain from personal attacks.Darwinian Ape^talk 02:23, 9 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Need eyes here

Columbia University rape controversy, I am not jumping to conclusions, but some solid sources defending Nungesser were removed possible editor bias is beginning to surface. Valoem ^talk ^contrib 18:09, 12 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, I am looking into it.Darwinian Ape^talk 19:29, 12 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Your revert is outrageous. It is a matter of indisputed scholarly fact that Mohammed was and is considered by researchers to have been an illiterate goat herder who plagiarized the Bible and invented the Quran. Please do your homework before deleting again. There is no reputable scholar of Islam that believes a supernatural sky "god" came down from the heavens and gave this illiterate goat herder the Quran, a book that cannot get even basic science correct, let alone hide the obvious plagiarism from Judaism and Christianity. Occam's razor dictates that the Quran is a work of gibberish, a plagiarized mishmash of poorly constructed directives that makes "God" look like a fucking ignoramus who deserves to be laughed at. This is exactly the kind of book one would expect an illiterate goat herder to pass off as "divine revelation". To assert this absurdity is to spit in the face of every educated human being on Earth. By all accounts, Mohammed was the Joseph Smith of his day, a criminal on the lam, who invented Islam from whole cloth, the Mormonism of its day. To claim this is a form of divine revelation is to claim that feces smells like roses and should be eaten as gourmet cuisine. You ignore the academic research and instead serve up garbage to your readers all the while tinkling on thier legs and exclaiming how nice it is to feel rain falling down upon us. You promote the deluded musings of madmen who kill on behalf of the voices in their heads and expect people to take you seriously when you protect holy cows and rabid prophets of insanity. This is not an encyclopedia, it is an asylum for the wicked and deranged who worship invisible beings. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 107.72.97.5 (talk) 06:46, 28 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

This was fun read. Let me say I do not object to what you said above, but my opinions on the matter do not have any bearing on what we, as an encyclopedia, should or should not present in our articles. Wikipedia is written from a neutral point of view, it does not promote one idea over another or one religion over another(or irreligion for that matter.) We follow the neutral secondary reliable sources and do not take sides. I recommend you familiarize yourself with core Wikipedia rules and policies. Darwinian Ape^talk 07:28, 28 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

This will be my last reply: neutral reliable sources on Islam say that Mohammed was an illiterate goat herder who plagiarized the bible. Please have a look for yourself. Arguments to the contrary only exist inside the small brain cases of drunken primates. To treat these intoxicated, hallucinatory delusions as factual is to misunderstand the purpose of an encyclopedia, an idea that can only exist in a secular liberal democracy free from any and all religious influence and subject to the strictest criticism and analysis of its essential intellectual depravity. To pretend that religion is in any shape "true" is to abandon the last 10,000 years of human history and achievement. Muslims bizarrely believe that the criminally decrepit mind of Mohammed is the epitome of the "greatest mind of man". This outright lie and mass delusion cannot be permitted to be repeated in civilized discourse. The line must be drawn in the sand here. Mohammed was a criminal, his Quran was a plagiarized book of the worst scriptures known to humanity with zero redeeming value, and his religion offers neither hope nor succor for any peaceful future. Facts are needed here, not the crazy rantings of illiterate goat herders.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 107.77.228.68 (talk • contribs)

There is nothing in Wikipedia which suggests Islam, Quran, or religion is true. Also Muslims can't drink, it's against their religion... Darwinian Ape^talk 07:42, 28 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Many, if not all of our religion articles, take the POV of their devoted adherents, implying that their beliefs are rooted in factual truth instead of taking the historical, academic study of religion (i. e. Mohammed was an illiterate goat herder who plagiarized known religion texts). I'm afraid my poetic obscurantism misled you into missing the metaphor of intoxication and how it relates to the invention of religion. Drunken primates and other animals are well known. It is argued that region arose in part from fruit and plant intoxication, and that more modern religious devotion may draw upon parts of the brain in the same way as intoxicating substances. Some adherents appear drunk on their beliefs and immune to logic and rationality. This is indistinguishable from last call at your local pub or the beer-infused mosh pit at a live concert. William James and many others have discussed this in the literature. Religion is essentially a form of intoxication. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 107.77.229.213 (talk) 08:14, 28 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

If you think there are NPOV issues in our religion articles, feel free to engage and fix them, but you must adhere to wiki policies while doing it. Your edits on Ramadan article, for example, are not constructive because the language you employ is derogatory and not neutral. It may very well be the case that Muhammad's occupation is herding goats, but it is undue to use it in an article about Ramadan. You may add this information in Muhammad's own article if the reliable sources discuss it, and you must present it in a neutral manner. You also have to cite those sources per WP:VERIFY. I did not miss your metaphor, my reply was meant to be an attempt at witticism, I am very much aware of the intoxicating effects of religiosity. Darwinian Ape^talk 08:51, 28 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for not beating around the bush and getting to the point. Critical analysis is by its very nature derogatory. Why should a secular encyclopedia respect any idea or concept beyond such criticism, and why is religion (and more specifically Islam) given a free pass when it comes to pointing out the absurdity of its claims? All region articles should be written from a derogatory POV in the same way that we write from a derogatory POV when discussing drug addiction, disease, mass atrocities, and mental illness. Should we write about a disease like schizophrenia or Parkinson's from a less than critical manner? Of course not! We talk about the effects of the disease, how it terribly impacts the lives of people and how scientists are working to cure it. We don't write about the HIV virus or meningitis with respect! In the same way, we should write about how religion is responsible for violence, killings, irrationality, and harm. We should write about how far from being inspired by a supernatural being who can't be observed, Islam is in reality the product of an illiterate goat herder who plagiarized other religious texts. You would instead have us lie to our readers? Should we feel sorry for the Zika virus and write respectively about how it is just trying to survive and feel sorry for it? It is our duty to write critically about every topic, including religion. We must be derogatory at every opportunity. Stop promoting lies. No invisible supernatural God (who must surely be the dumbest God in the universe because the Quran is wrong about science at the most basic level) should be "respected" or entertained. Knowledge is not an exercise in respecting ignorance and falsities. Encyclopedia writing doesn't require that we gloss over stupidity and lies. Islam was invented by an illiterate goat herder who plagiarized older religious texts. That fact should form the basis of every lead paragraph in every article on Islam and Muslims. Create a template and run a bot to add it to tens of thousands of articles and then and only then will you have corrected the problem. Get to work! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 107.77.229.231 (talk) 09:11, 28 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I do not agree that our articles are written in a derogatory manner.(aside from articles in need of fixing of course.) We present facts from secondary reliable sources without attaching any opinions whatsoever. We actually do have criticism of religion and Islam. See: Criticism of Islam, Criticism of Muhammad, Criticism of Religion Criticism of the Quran and so on. Note that those articles are written in a neutral manner but they are critical of the subject, It is because there are notable criticisms of those topics, so it is possible to present criticism in a neutral tone which is the main objective of this project. We can't, however, make our own criticisms in Wikipedia's voice, because that would run foul with our neutrality policy. We present all the facts and viewpoints, in proportion to the prominence of each viewpoint in the reliable sources and let the reader draw their own conclusions on those subjects. Darwinian Ape^talk 09:45, 28 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Knights who say Ni — xaosflux ^Talk 22:28, 4 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Xaosflux:Dang! I love the pythons and somehow I've managed to not watch the Holy grail entirely. My age be damned!:P Darwinian Ape^talk 22:42, 4 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Re: Dersim Massacre, and your administrator noticeboard comment

Would you like to open a RfC on the title? Tiptoethrutheminefield (talk) 20:32, 29 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Tiptoethrutheminefield: The whole article is a mess not just the title, but it would be a good start. Saw that at the ANI and thought you may be interested in fixing that poor excuse of an article since you expressed a willingness to fix Turkish history related articles before.(sorry for a late reply, I was on vacation) I'd be happy to start an RFC, though I don't feel qualified to fix that article as a whole. Darwinian Ape^talk 08:14, 1 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Hello, i live in Turkey and can only access wikipedia via vpn or proxy, while it is true that i was pretty much inactive over the year, i would like to retain my ability to edit wikipedia to remain a possibility. @Xaosflux: Darwinian Ape^talk 00:09, 27 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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@Xaosflux:thanks, hopefully soon i wont be needing it, apparently there is a Turkish supreme court decision that has found the ban unconstitutional, after more than 2 years... we are gonna see though, since the government does have a tendency to ignore even the supreme court decisions sometimes!! Darwinian Ape^talk 00:17, 27 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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