User talk:DankJae/Archives/2023/April

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hey man u removed some of my john mcentee stuff, is tiktok not the best source if im referencing the video he made? i accept the comment thing but tbh i didnt know what better to reference. also i was reffering to lifetime likes on his page when i cahnged from 7 million to 9, anything i can do to improve this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Montbur (talk • contribs) 14:45, 18 April 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Montbur, the sentence on views (later change to likes) refers to and uses as reference, the Youtube video, not Tiktok and the YT video did not have 9m likes. Tiktok (and tbh Youtube) is WP:USERGENERATED so not suitable as a source, the unfortunate alternative is not adding this information, if no reliable secondary sources can be found. Are there any secondary sources? i.e. news articles about it? If not, then including it seems a bit WP:OR and not noteworthy if no one else aside TikTok users are discussing it. But of course, if you can find secondary sources, it would be suitable to include it. As the TikTok is the account for The Right Stuff even if it is managed by McEntee, then reference to it may be best at that article, although the only thing that can be realistically be used that does not have any original research is the figures (follower count etc) and nothing more really. Many thanks, and appreciate your efforts! And Welcome! DankJae 15:00, 18 April 2023 (UTC)

oh ok thanks a lot! i didnt realise as i thought it was reliable but i get your point, and keeping Wiki Accuarte is always most important! thanks lol Montbur (talk) 15:48, 18 April 2023 (UTC)

Rail transport in Wales

I've added Rail transport in Wales as a page request on the WikiProject Wales page since it seems to be an area lacking. I am aware of Transport for Wales related article but I think an overview page is needed. I though this might be of interest to you in particular. Titus Gold (talk) 14:38, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

@Titus Gold, considered it although operationally-wise Wales does not differ too much from GB, and will mainly discuss TfW which ofc has an article. So if we’re only discussing railways, it may be Railways in Wales instead but be free to bring it up to the Wales or UKRAIL projects, I believe there should be some rail-related article on Wales. It will be a bit of patchwork though cutting out the borders network. DankJae 15:31, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for your comments, I've decided to start with the article as Rail transport in Wales. I've set out a structure skeleton which can be filled in more. I see it as an overview page that doesn't need to go into massive detail for now. Titus Gold (talk) 17:46, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

@Titus Gold, with all due respect I suggest you draftify that article as it is really not in a great state as of now and unfortunately is very much POV driven right now. Focus on the railways itself (first) not the politics of it. Furthermore do not confuse “Wales” with “Wales and Borders”. DankJae 18:06, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

@Titus Gold, I do not aim to discourage you, I support this article in principle, but I do suggest writing about the rail infrastructure first, lines, stations, how Network Rail fits into this, may be then on history of it too (Beeching cuts etc; I do miss the chance of a Ruabon–Barmouth line) and then after all that, a smaller section on proposals and politics can be added, try and be balanced including the UK gov's response even if it may be a bit bonkers IMO. For things by TfW, best done at its article (that sorely needs expanding), things on passenger services would be best at TfWR or W&B, but summaries can of course be in this overview.

No matter how personal I agree that Wales' railway network has been neglected, the article has to be NPOV, and I am sorry to say, starting the published article focusing on what is wrong with the UK Government was quite concerning (you made it most of the lead too), and as it was published open to readers, we have to be much more critical.

By early May, if I have more time, I would be happy to help, and it may compel me to make more railway maps which I've stopped for a bit. Thank you for your good faith and passion, but remember to be as neutral as you can (not just in wording, but what you choose to mention and decide not to add, most critcisim has a response, and that response is best added too) and find many points of view even if it is uncomfortable. DankJae 20:25, 20 April 2023 (UTC)

Don't agree with everything you mention but appreciate your attempt to communicate. Let's move on and work together when you're available to do so. Thanks Titus Gold (talk) 22:16, 20 April 2023 (UTC)