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Happy editing! Gderrin (talk) 21:32, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Australian abbreviations

Hi Crelb! You have not entered any details about yourself on your Userpage, which is your prerogative of course, so I can't tell whether you are a Australian. You may be interested to learn that in Australia (also UK and some other countries), a full stop (period) is not used on abbreviations where the last letter of the full word is retained, so St Francis, Railway Ave, Stephen King Jr, Mr Smith. Examples where the full stop is employed include Rev. for "Reverend", St. for "Street", and c. for "circa".

So that's why I reverted your good faith edit. (I also took the opportunity to amend several violations of the MOS:SPACEINITS rule, probably dating back to when I wasn't aware of that injunction.)

Best regards, Doug butler (talk) 22:03, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

huh.

I am Aussie, and I've never heard that.

I thought the uncapitalised and undotted jrs might be a deliberate choice, but the pages for Stephen King Jr (Stephen King (surveyor)#Stephen King Jr.) and James Frew (Frewville, South Australia#James Frew) both consistently used Jr., so I figured it was just something that got messed up when the table was made or something. Crelb (talk) 04:02, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I must confess to have forgotten this little detail, and I've been guilty of blithely using jr Jr. Jnr and all sorts of variations in my modest WP contributions. Then it was brought to my attention and, having vaguely remembered it from Primary School (many years ago), checked my Macquarie encyclopaedic dictionary, which confirmed their instruction, quite prescriptively. My Fowler's English Usage gives similar advice. Under "period (full stop) in abbreviations" it has Abbreviations are chiefly made in two ways: one by giving the beginning of the word in one or more letters and then stopping, the other by dropping out some portion of the middle. Those of the first kind are rightly ended with a period, but the common practice of doing the same to the second is ill advised. It then goes on to recommend Mr for Mister, Capt. for Captain, Cpl for Corporal, Geo. for George and Thos for Thomas, Lat. for Latin and Gk for Greek and ht wt for hit wicket. Curiously, I find no mention of "Junior" in that little article or between "junction" and "junta". Ditto "Senior".

The Wikipedia article American and British English spelling differences#Acronyms and abbreviations says Contractions where the final letter is present are often written in British English without full stops/periods (Mr, Mrs, Dr, St, Ave). Abbreviations where the final letter is not present generally do take full stops/periods (such as vol., etc., i.e., ed.); British English shares this convention with the French: Mlle, Mme, Dr, Ste, but M. for Monsieur. In American and Canadian English, abbreviations like St., Ave., Mr., Mrs., Ms., Dr., and Jr., usually require full stops/periods. I will bring the subject up on the Oz noticeboard for further discussion, as it might be resolved to follow American convention. Doug butler (talk) 21:07, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A great idea to find different authorities' rendering of King's name. Maybe a consensus will emerge. Doug butler (talk) 03:20, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]