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Question from Tarnika Hazra (11:06, 7 July 2024)

Hello Mam,

I am new here. Please let me know if I want to add any new things to Wikipedia then what should I do? --Tarnika Hazra (talk) 11:06, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

@Tarnika Hazra: Depends on what you want to do. I have some resources listed at the top of this page you might find helpful. Let me know if you're looking for more specific advice. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 11:14, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

User permission request

Hello Clovermoss, I am requesting the restoration of my Page mover and Pending change permissions as I am ready to re-continue editing, thank you. Jerium (talk) 12:35, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

@Jerium:  Done Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 13:02, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

Question from Kemifreund (15:47, 7 July 2024)

Hi, I'm editing "Katharine Blunt" and have found several more of her scientific publications. Should I add them? - Thanks --Kemifreund (talk) 15:47, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

Hi Kemifreund. Feel free to be bold! If you think you can improve Katharine Blunt, go for it. If someone reverts you, you can discuss it with them. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 17:09, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

Editwarring, repeated copyright violations/BLP violations

I need some help over at Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#84.206.11.96. Would you be so kind to take a look? Thanks in advance, Polygnotus (talk) 13:19, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

@Polygnotus: I reverted to the last stable version but I'm hesitant to do more. I've commented at the thread you linked. I'm alright with other admins taking further action if they think that's what's best. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 14:43, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

I clearly outlined my arguments, I added at least five different sources for the content you removed. Where it was necessary, I quoted reliable sources. You just deleted things, because you could. You did not went into details etc. So my question is somple, if I found seven sources which underpin what I wrote, can I insert it into text, as I pointed out on the talk page at least five times, or is she a noli me tangere? 84.225.152.139 (talk) 14:49, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

What you should do is paraphrase the content in your own words instead of just quoting everything. You should also use Talk:Ilaria Salis to propose these changes because you cannot edit war to get your way. Disputed changes need to be discussed on the talk page so editors can come to a consensus. Do you understand what I mean by this? Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 14:54, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

Lets have a look at the at the Talk Page. I found 7 different sources that prove that she owes money. Polygnomy deleted what I wrote, namely she owes money. No explanation. So it is ok, according to you? 84.225.152.139 (talk) 15:05, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

You know that my name is not "Polygnomy". I have provided a lot of information about the problems with the edits you made. You were unwilling to collaborate. If you continue you will be blocked. You should probably move on. Polygnotus (talk) 15:23, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

And where did I violate copyrights? Please, teach me! 84.225.152.139 (talk) 15:02, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

What you need is a lesson on how to behave in a collaborative environment, which is far harder than understanding copyright. And of course this is a bad-faith question because you already know where you violated copyright. Polygnotus (talk) 15:23, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

Not an answer... 84.225.152.139 (talk) 15:42, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

I know how you spend your time with weird homophobic vandalism [1] and attacking public figures who are disliked by Orbán [2] and I think it is pretty sad. We are trying to build something cool here. Try to improve yourself instead of vandalising and trolling on Wikipedia. Polygnotus (talk) 15:50, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

So, again, let's reach a consensus here: How would you rephrase the fact that she did not pay her rent and owes 90000 Euros? 84.225.152.139 (talk) 16:13, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

I am not interested in helping you because you are WP:NOTHERE. Polygnotus (talk) 16:14, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

I'd appreciate if any back and forth was kept to WP:ANI instead of here on my talk page. Polygnotus, I'd also encourage you to post the diffs you linked here there and maybe provide further context? I don't know what you mean by Orbán, for example. I'm somewhat busy at the moment. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 16:56, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

@Clovermoss, the IP has taken to messaging me on my talk to try and get me to revert @Polygnotus. Not sure if that counts as WP:PROXYING, but I don't really think it is cool. TarnishedPath^talk 13:06, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know, but I'm going to ping Johnuniq since they did the page protection and see what they think of this. I really am trying to learn more about the admin side of things. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 14:18, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

The fact that there are several IPs from a wide range, and they all banging on about this one article, convinces me that this is a NOTHERE contributor trying to use Wikipedia to attack a person. That is disruptive. I will start blocking each IP that pops up for a significant period. My recommendation is that people stop commenting here. Instead, ping me if the IP surfaces with the same belligerence and I will block each IP for at least a month. Johnuniq (talk) 00:37, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

I did tell people to go to ANI the last time. It just took me a bit to step in because I was busy at the time most of the back and forth was going on (this last comment came later). Will ping you if I notice stuff in the future, though. Thanks for digging into this and offering advice, Johnuniq! Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 00:39, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Thanks!

Thanks for participating in the June 2024 backlog drive! You scored 101 points while adding citations to articles during WikiProject Reliability's first {{citation needed}} backlog drive, earning you this cleanup barnstar. Thanks for helping out!

Pichpich (talk) 22:00, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

Thanks Pichpich. It was a fun backlog drive, I hope to see more like it. :) Maybe something to do with Category:All unreferenced BLPs, Category:BLP articles lacking sources, or some generic improve BLPs drive? I organized some of these articles in my sandbox once upon a time and came across a G10 from years ago. Actually maybe I should organize something like this since I care so much. Do you have any advice for trying to do that? I've never really organized any sort of backlog drive before. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 22:26, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

It was my first participation in a backlog drive of this type and I also found it quite interesting. I realized that if you restrict the category by topic, you get the high-traffic articles first, which is nice because it feels more productive to clean up an important BLP rather than an obscure, borderline deletable one. Cheers, Pichpich (talk) 15:36, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

@Pichpich: I'm glad you had fun with this too. :) Do you know anyone else that was involved in organizing this backlog drive that might be able to give me good advice about organizing my own? It's okay if you don't, I just figured it doesn't hurt to ask. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 15:46, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

My involvement in the drive is minimal: I'm just handing out barnstars. I think Cremastra (talk · contribs) was the organizer for this drive, and you can always post on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Reliability which seems to be watched by a few editors. Cheers, Pichpich (talk) 15:52, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

Plan well in advance, get someone to help you, and as I learned, be very precise with the rules and scoring. Overprecise, even. It saves time and confusion in the long run. Cremastra (talk) 20:58, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

Hey Levivich you commented on my sandbox when I organized this stuff the last time. Any chance you have any advice for a larger scale version of this? [3] Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 16:07, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

I distinctly remember somebody else asking me about this recently -- like in 2024, I think -- but now I can't remember who or where. But I remember pointing them to the stuff we were doing last year. In terms of larger scale version, I think the thing to do is resurrect WP:UBLPR, and get everyone interested in working on this to watchlist that talk page, and coordinate from there. I think the person I was talking to about this earlier this year was interested in methods for identifying unreferenced BLPs and unreferenced articles generally, but UBLPR seems like the natural place to coordinate such efforts. Levivich (talk) 16:17, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

@Levivich: Okay, thanks! That does seem like a good place to coordinate future efforts. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 16:30, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

New eyes, but a suggestion

Thank you for taking the time to look at 2021 Canadian church burnings. Please let me know if accessibility is an issue for any of the sources, as I can privately send you PDF or transcript versions as needed (my understanding is that the WSJ is not a common subscription). ~ Pbritti (talk) 03:29, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

@Pbritti: If you could email me the WSJ source it'd be appreciated, I do not have a subscription to that. I'm going to bed soon but I'll post what I have in the table so far on the talk page. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 03:33, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

Awesome. I'll send a copy-and-paste over and see if I can't jump the firewall with an archive.org link for you. I can't attach a PDF unless you respond, but please remember that responding directly reveals your email address. ~ Pbritti (talk) 03:37, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

I have a Wikipedia specific email address so I'm not concerned about that. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 03:38, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

Excellent, copy-and-paste first. ~ Pbritti (talk) 03:41, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

Okay, thanks. I'll read this in the morning. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 03:49, 9 July 2024 (UTC)