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Newbie Central

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Here's a fox

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No reason really, just a fox

— TheresNoTime (talk • they/them) 08:50, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Well it's a cute fox. :) Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 08:50, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

November 2024 WikiProject Unreferenced articles backlog drive – award

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Citation Barnstar

This award is given in recognition to Clovermoss for collecting more than 1.0 point during the WikiProject Unreferenced articles's NOV24 backlog drive. Your contributions played a crucial role in sourcing over 8,000 unsourced articles during the drive. Thank you so much for participating and helping to reduce the backlog! – DreamRimmer Alt (talk) 18:16, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Happy holidays!

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A golden Wikipedia logo with stars, balloons, and the words "New Year" Happy holidays and a prosperous 2025!
A four-leaf clover

Hannah, this must have been an absolutely wild year for you. I am writing Christmas cards for some wikifriends, but you are getting yours a little early. I am sending this on the one year anniversary of awarding you the administrator without tools, which jumpstarted your RfA. I realized that I would be around, so I have (hopefully) timed it down to the minute. From RfA, then nominating Elli (who is now on ArbCom!), then winning Wikimedian of the Year, and nominating Significa liberdade is amazing; you deserve to pat yourself on the back. It was great to meet you at WCNA, and I hope to see you again soon. Best of luck to you and yours in 2025 :) HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 20:52, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Question from Creeper736 (21:27, 12 December 2024)

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How do you create an article? --Creeper736 (talk) 21:27, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Creeper736: Well, Wikipedia has notability standards, so some subjects are more viable than others. This guide explains things in more detail, but the gist is that you want to provide three reliable sources that cover the subject in detail. There's additional criteria if you're writing about a business or organization. I'll leave some helpful links on your talk page and feel free to ask me any questions if you have them. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 22:03, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Signpost: 12 December 2024

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Ping

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Thanks for the ping. I am currently travelling and won’t be in a position to properly review anything until the new year. I’ll take a look then.—Jeffro77 Talk 06:33, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Jeffro77: Okay, have fun! The article will still be here when you have time for it and it'll probably take a few months before it's ready for FAC anyways. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 06:35, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wikimedia Foundation Bulletin December Issue

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Here is a quick overview of highlights from the Wikimedia Foundation since our second November issue. This will be the final bulletin for 2024 and we'll be back in late January 2025 with the next issue. Please help translate.

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Question from Narayanvl (19:09, 16 December 2024)

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I have posted an article on " Dr.S.R.Rajagopalan" and at the end clicked 'Publish' button. I am not able to find out what is the present status. --Narayanvl (talk) 19:09, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Narayanvl: I realize this probably isn't the greatest news to hear, but the "current status" of your draft at User:Narayanvl is that it was deleted. Wikipedia has certain agreed-upon guidelines about when a page can be unilaterally deleted, and one of these is when a page is umambigiously promotional, which is what your draft was deleted as. It reads more like a resume than an encyclopedia article, which is not what Wikipedia is for. You might want to try a site like LinkedIn instead if creating that page is the only thing you wish to do on this site. If you have other interests, I could try to give you some suggestions on pages that could be improved? Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 21:19, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

New pages patrol January 2025 Backlog drive

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January 2025 Backlog Drive | New pages patrol
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Looking for N-American candidates for the WikiWomen* Task Force!

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Hello Hannah,

I hope you are doing well!
Currently, I am in the WikiWomen* Advisory Council, and we have recently extended our deadline for candidates for the WikiWomen* Task Force, to improve geographical representation in our candidate list!

The Task Force is aimed to address and prioritize global initiatives to close the Gender Gap in the Wikimedia movement. Going beyond editing activities, we aim to create a space for Women* to share their experiences in organizing, advocacy, research, and other vital areas that contribute to the Wikimedia movement's success.

If you'd like to know more, please read our information on Meta and stand for a seat on the task force yourself, or help us to convince others from your region to do so!
We don't have any candidate from the North American continent, can you imagine...? Ciell (talk) 15:49, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Ciell: It is hard to imagine that you're having difficulty filling a North American seat, wow! While I'm honoured that you've thought of me, I'm not really active in gender gap work (I know that you do more than that, but even then I'm not sure this is the best role for me). That said, I can think of someone who would be a perfect fit for this role if she's interested: Penny Richards. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 16:11, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I know right, it's crazy! We have RosieStep with us on the Advisory Council, but beyond that, the involvement of NA women* has been very limited... Thanks for the ping to Penny, I appreciate! Ciell (talk) 16:15, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Question from Black Expats In Panama (17:37, 19 December 2024)

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Hi Liance, I believe I need to remove the links I added to the Black Expats in Panama article so it meets Wikipedia requirements is that correct? --Black Expats In Panama (talk) 17:37, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Black Expats In Panama: It's more than links, the page you wrote qualifies for deletion as spam. Wikipedia is not for promoting specific organizations but writing neutral articles on those we consider to be notable. You might want to try some type of social media instead.
This also happens to be the second time this month someone called me Liance, which is odd to say the least. If someone is directing you to edit on their behalf, please know that is also against the site's rules. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 17:43, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry Clovermoss, I will rewrite the article Black Expats In Panama (talk) 17:46, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Black Expats In Panama: You don't have to apologize, I just wanted you to know the rules and norms of this website. Unless your organization has been covered by three reliable sources in detail, it's unlikely that it will ever get a Wikipedia article. People often think we're a place to promote their organizations or their themselves, but we're not. We're an encyclopedia that covers notable subjects. There are plenty of other websites where you can do what you want to do: maybe consider YouTube, Facebook, or a blog of some kind? There is stuff I'm passionate about that can't be written about on here and that's okay. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 17:51, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Got it - thanks for sharing this detial Clovermoss Black Expats In Panama (talk) 19:42, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Question from Narayanvl (17:37, 19 December 2024)

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I have revised the posting on 'Dr.S.R.Rajagopalan' and answered queries on conflict of interest. What is its present status ? --Narayanvl (talk) 17:37, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Narayanvl: It still isn't neutrally written and it's unclear how you might meet Wikipedia's notability guidelines for biographies. Please read why autobiographies are not a good idea and consider the advice I gave you last time about seeking a different site like LinkedIn. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 17:45, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You seem to have got it wrong and probably determined not to publish it. Please understand it is not an autobiography. It is a biography of an eminent scientist. It is following the exact guidance as per what now appears to me a flexible guidelines of wikipedia. Narayanvl (talk) 18:45, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Narayanvl: You're free to ask for a second opinion if you'd like. The Teahouse is geared towards helping new editors. I doubt they'll give you different advice, but you're welcome to try. Alternatively you could move the draft to mainspace yourself and see what happens. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 18:48, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
(talk page stalker), Hey, @Narayanvl. The article doesn’t follow any of the wikipedia’s guidelines for style, which can be found at Wikipedia:Manual of Style, and appear to not have any Wikipedia:Inline citations. So your assertion of It is following the exact guidance as per what now appears to me a flexible guidelines of wikipedia. is inaccurate. Thanks, Cowboygilbert - (talk) ♥ 18:54, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wikimedia Apps newsletter – Fourth quarter of 2024

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Hello, and welcome to the app's final newsletter of 2024! In this edition, we’ll highlight the key updates and progress made during October and November 2024!

iOS Updates

Personalized Wikipedia Year in Review

In November, we released the first iteration of the Personalized Wikipedia Year in Review to users in Italy and Mexico, covering Italian, Spanish, and English Wikipedia! This experimental feature offers personalized insights based on reading, editing, and donation history for iOS app users for 2024. If this initial version is successful, we hope to improve upon it and make it available to everyone within the iOS app in January 2025. For more information on how your data is used and how to access your Year in Review, please visit the project page, or watch a short video demonstration of the feature.

Alt Text Experiment

The alternative text experiment concluded on November 4, and we are currently analyzing the results. The edits are being reviewed by accessibility experts and moderators active on the iOS app for additional feedback.

Preliminary results show that prompting users on an image they’ve just added leads to higher completion rates (18%) compared to unrelated images (6%). The overall revert rate for alt text edits was 3.4%, lower than the app’s average revert rate of 8.1%. We’ll decide next steps for this feature after completing the analysis.

Navigation Refresh

We completed the first phase of our Navigation refresh, and released a new profile menu into the production version of the app. Our work was coordinated in this Epic: T373714

Android Updates

Private Donor Recognition Experiment

We launched an experiment in France and the Netherlands, exploring the impact of private donor recognition on current and prospective donors. Users who donated through the app will see an active badge on the contributions page, while those who haven’t donated will see a prompt to do so. The experiment will run for 20 days, after which we will evaluate the results. This work was coordinated under Epic: T376303.

Rabbit Holes Experiment

The team began work on the "Rabbit Holes" experiment to increase retention among new readers. The experiment is designed to help users more easily discover and connect with content they are interested in. It is being coordinated under Epic: T378612.

Recommended Content in Search

The Recommended Content in Search experiment showed promising results. Personalized recommendations led to higher retention (86.5%) compared to non-personalized recommendations (64.9%), with positive feedback from users.

Places

We added a launcher shortcut for quicker access to the "Places" feature in the app. (T375367)

Looking Ahead

As we close out 2024, we’re excited about all the progress made and the work ahead in 2025. Keep an eye out for more updates and improvements we hope will enhance your Wikipedia experience!

Thank you for being part of this journey, and don’t forget to subscribe to the newsletter for the latest updates!


-- ARamadan-WMF 13:54, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Question from Nycrest (02:09, 21 December 2024)

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hi i created a page a simple page for a restaurateur in New York City and it seems be declined because CNN, NBC and PIX11 NY News is not enough for "reliable sources" any ideas on what reliable sources are? This is a simple barebones article meant to start for the individual --Nycrest (talk) 02:09, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Nycrest. I took a look at Draft:Justin Twohig. Drafts accepted will cite at least three reliable sources that cover the subject (in this case, a person) in detail. You've cited 9 sources and some are more reliable than others.
  • Source 1 is Bandcamp and is simply a music listing. This does not demonstrate notability, nor does it discuss anything about Twohig in detail.
  • Source 2 is Wikipedia, which is a user-generated source and also not reliable. If you're using a citation from that article, you should cite that directly.
  • Source 3 is from the Business Observer. This source is a newspaper, which is good from a reliability standpoint. However, it only has a paragraph about Twohig and most of that is a quote. It's a good enough source to cite for his business ventures, but is not enough on its own to demonstrate notability.
  • Source 4 is "alistdaily" and it's unclear how reliable this source is. It reads somewhat like a blog or press release to me. If that's the case, it would not be a reliable source.
  • Source 5 is CNN, which you mentioned in your comment above. Yes, that is a generally reliable source. But it doesn't mention Twohig at all.
  • Source 6 is NBC which is another reliable source, but I wouldn't say it counts as one of the three that would be needed to make Twohig notable. If you could find another two sources that cover the restaurant itself, I would say that would be notable.
  • Source 7 appears to be a republished version of source 6, so it doesn't count as a separate source.
  • Source 8 is from Business Insider and is a detailed review of the restaurant. I'd count this as a good second source to cite if you were trying to write about the restaurant, but it is not enough coverage for writing about the owner.
  • Source 9 is just a graph of the restaurant industry and is not useful.
I hope that helps. If you can find a third source that covers the restaurant in detail, I'd suggest rewriting the article to just be about that. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 14:43, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Source 7 is a completely different network than NBC, please see: WPIX
Are we asking for one more reliable source to consider Ryan the ability to have an article? If so, this can be provided. I want to make sure I am requesting the correct type of source.
It seems majority of sources need to be direct interviews with the subject by journalists. I would like Ryan to know that he should take more interviews in order to be notable on Wikipedia. Thank you so much for your detailed response and hope to clear this up! Nycrest (talk) 21:06, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Nycrest: It may be a different outlet but it doesn't count as one because it's just a link to the same video. It's republished, there is not any original content there. And no, direct interviews with the subject are not what you're looking for. If you're writing a biography, you need three detailed sources that are independent of him to be considered notable. You're closer to proving that the restaurant is notable, not the owner, with your current sources. That's why I made the suggestion that I did. If you're communicating with the article subject, you should also read this guide about having a conflict of interest. I realize I'm being a bit blunt here, but I hope that helps. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 21:10, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I am sorry but these are not the same videos one is by Journalist Lauren Scala and the other is by Journalist Chris Cimino (both covering Ryan and the restaurant)
https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/new-east-village-spot-doesnt-take-fine-dining-too-seriously/6005799/
https://pix11.com/news/local-news/nyc-restaurant-offers-mix-of-fine-dining-and-fun/
Are we asking for one more piece that has coverage of Ryan in order to prove him notable as a New York restaurateur?
The restaurant does not have a page yet. Nycrest (talk) 21:16, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Nycrest: If I was indeed mistaken and it's a seperate video about the restaurant (I have to go make dinner so I'll try to see if I can get it to load after that), then you would have enough coverage to write an article about the restaurant. As it stands, you don't have enough coverage to write about the owner, so that's why I'm suggesting you refocus your attention to that. I'm not sure if you noticed but when I link to stuff in my above messages, it's in blue text. Like this and this and this. I think it'll really help if you read those pages, if you haven't already. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 21:19, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Got it! Thank you for the follow up! Enjoy dinner Nycrest (talk) 21:21, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Nycrest: I still can't get the video to work on my browser, but I trust your word that is indeed a separate source. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 22:12, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks can you look at: Draft:Venhue is this a good start to be accepted? Nycrest (talk) 02:45, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Nycrest: That draft needs to be rewritten in a neutral point of view and the promotional language is mostly why those reviewers rejected it. Making sure you cite all three of the sources I pointed out earlier would also be a good idea. It's also really important for you to declare your conflict of interest on your userpage (since you mentioned contacting the owner of the restaurant). If you are being paid to edit, you must disclose this. But even if you're doing this in an unpaid capacity, you'd still have a conflict of interest and should follow those guidelines. Remember that the blue in these comments link to pages you can read. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 05:43, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

hi i disclosed this (nonprofit East Village Collective) and submitted with the sources available, how do I get another set of eyes on the article? I would like to start the new one but I want to get the first one under my belt and it seems more difficult than I thought it would be (I have the sources but they kicked it back saying that quoting the sources is promotional) - one quote was that the restaurant has an "unorthodox approach to fine dining" this was flagged as promotional, so I removed it. Nycrest (talk) 14:49, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Nycrest: This sort of thing gets easier over time. A lot of people don't realize that their "neutral" writing is unintentionally promotional. Something that might help is looking at other restaurant articles that have passed a quality review process, they're called "good articles". One example is Arleta Library Bakery & Cafe. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 17:00, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Seasonal greetings:)

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Merry Christmas and a Prosperous 2025!

Hello Clovermoss, may you be surrounded by peace, success and happiness on this seasonal occasion. Spread the WikiLove by wishing another user a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past, a good friend, or just some random person. Sending you heartfelt and warm greetings for Christmas and New Year 2025.
Happy editing,
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Season's Greetings

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Hello Clovermoss: Enjoy the holiday season and winter solstice if it's occurring in your area of the world, and thanks for your work to maintain, improve and expand Wikipedia. Cheers, AntiCompositeNumber (talk) 01:57, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Seasonal greetings!

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Hello Clovermoss: Enjoy the holiday season and winter solstice if it's occurring in your area of the world, and thanks for your work to maintain, improve and expand Wikipedia. Cheers, 1234qwer1234qwer4 20:04, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Season's Greetings

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Merry Christmas and a Prosperous 2025!

Hello Clovermoss, may you be surrounded by peace, success and happiness on this seasonal occasion. Spread the WikiLove by wishing another user a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past, a good friend, or just some random person. Sending you heartfelt and warm greetings for Christmas and New Year 2025.
Happy editing,
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Happy holidays!

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Hello there, 'tis the season again, believe it or not, the years pass so quickly now! A big thank you for all of your contributions to Wikipedia in 2024! Wishing you a Very happy and productive 2025!  ♦ Maliner (talk) 09:34, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Happy Holidays

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Hello Clovermoss: Enjoy the holiday season and winter solstice if it's occurring in your area of the world, and thanks for your work to maintain, improve and expand Wikipedia. Cheers, Abishe (talk) 15:14, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Question from Elivia postale on Jin dynasty (1115–1234) (18:24, 25 December 2024)

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Where can i find a dakkini --Elivia postale (talk) 18:24, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Elivia postale: I don't understand your question. Is it about editing Wikipedia? Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 18:32, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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