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Save Sibelius DRV

You already started a conversation about this at Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2017 December 22. Please just let it run its course. Forking the conversation to another talk page isn't useful. Thanks. -- RoySmith (talk) 23:56, 27 December 2017 (UTC)

• @RoySmith: Agreed, and the text will now be moved over to that page, however this was requested by one of the Admin as being the correct place to be holding the discussion as at https://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Drmies&action=edit&section=23 Chrisdevelop (talk)
• Chris, I love you like a brother, but you GOTTA STOP pinging me in conversations related to this matter. All I did was close a discussion in which (as the DRV shows) there was a clear consensus to merge. The rest of it simply does not concern me, and I am way too busy with other things to delve into it. Thank you, and good luck. Drmies (talk) 00:59, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

Crush (1992 film)

Hi. Please do not use IMDB as a source, as it will be removed, as it is user-generated and is not considered a reliable source. Thanks. Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 08:49, 17 January 2018 (UTC)

@Lugnuts: Wikipedia is itself user-generated. Can you please supply a link to an article that sets out the official Wikipedia policy on IMDb referencing? Chrisdevelop (talk)

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13 Daughters

Thanks for your thanks, and for developing 13 Daughters. I notice you wrote the Mahalo album was of the Broadway cast. As far as I can tell, it's of a Hawaiian production. I'm basing that mostly on the Amazon listing and album cover showing Alvina Kaulili as musical director, not Pembroke Davenport. Station1 (talk) 17:59, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

@Station1: Good to hear from you. That was the result of merging two sentences, and you're right. I'll see if I can revert the edit, otherwise will reinstate it manually. Regards Chrisdevelop (talk) 18:11, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

Sorted that, I think. Not sure what to do with the sentence ending " as HCCA Presents 13 Daughters" as it doesn't appear in any of the articles linked to that I can find. Chrisdevelop (talk) 18:29, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

I think it looks ok now. I took the "HCCA Presents" directly from the album cover as shown in refs 9 and 10, but it's not necessary. Station1 (talk) 19:32, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

TheFamousPeople.com as a source

Hi Chrisdevelop . I noticed that you recently used thefamouspeople.com as a source in Don Ameche . Please note that there is general consensus that thefamouspeople.com does not meet the reliable sourcing criteria for such information. (Discussions here and here). The johnlearn.com source you used appears similarly poor. If you disagree, let's discuss it. Thanks. --Ronz (talk) 22:22, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

@Ronz: On checking the Family Guy wiki at http://familyguy.wikia.com/wiki/Carter_Pewterschmidt and extensive googling, I can find no reference to this other than recursive to the article, so it's probably myth. I've deleted the quote. Chrisdevelop (talk) 00:05, 4 April 2018 (UTC)

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The Discogs copyright issue arose because I supplied Dr Williams with a draft of my opening introduction for him to verify its accuracy, which he then paraphrased and submitted to Discogs, without realising this would infringe copyright. I am the sole author of the material. Dr Williams has now arranged for this to be removed, so the only copy should now be that on Wikipedia. Chrisdevelop (talk) 16:04, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

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@Ronhjones: Thank you for your message and the detailed instructions. I'm afraid I find the use of images on Wikipedia to be a daunting minefield with novel-sized articles to read, at the end of which I feel I am none the wiser. I can't help wondering whether that is a reason for the paucity of images in articles. In the present case, I could not find anything called "replaceable fair use template" or a form that resembled one, on the page at the file description page, so could you please provide the exact heading and location to enter the dispute? I don't want get it in the wrong place and have the image deleted before I can figure it out. So far as finding a free copy of this image is concerned, I can say now, and of course will say again, when I know the exact location to say it, there is no freely available image I have been able to find of Brian Eno and Nigel Osborne working together in the aftermath of the Bosnian war with war traumatised children. Every time I search for it, I end up here: [1] which takes me to here: [2]. Even if were to find a duplicate of this image on a "free to download" site, it would likely be bootleg, and I actually know the image owner as it is already. To my knowledge, this photograph is unique, but if this warning is being raised on the knowledge that there IS a freely available image of Brian Eno and Nigel Osborne working together in the aftermath of the Bosnian war with war traumatised children, then without hesitation, I will replace the one I have uploaded with the free copy while we sort out what to do with this one.

In regards to obtaining the permission of the copyright owner, Keith Brame, Professor Osborne contacted him, since Brame is a friend of his, and the thread of his email granting permission was copied into the justification field at upload time to Wikipedia. I did not realise when uploading the image that this private thread would be posted publicly on the File Info page, and so I would like as soon as possible for it to be erased, once the image matter has been settled.

From what I can ascertain, we need to find the right boxes/buttons to check so that this image can be released. I note in the article you linked me to, it says that "we" (meaning, presumably, Wikipedia staff) contact the copyright owner, also that the image will be downsized by a bot, rather than deleted. Might it be better to re-upload with different options?

For now, I have placed a note "by permission" under the image in both its locations, with a link direct to Brame's website. To forestall having the image taken down in the meantime, I will certainly follow your advice, once I know exactly where to insert the {{Di-replaceable fair use disputed|<your reason>}} text.

Many thanks! Chrisdevelop (talk) 21:25, 16 April 2018 (UTC)

@Ronhjones: I note on the the file description page the following message has appeared: "The previous version(s) of this file are non-free and are no longer being used in articles. Therefore, they fail the Wikipedia non-free content criteria and will be deleted on April 23, 2018. The current version will not be deleted, only previous revision(s)." Is this referring to the bot-generated reduced size image? If that is not going to be deleted, then I am happy to just leave it at that, as the reduced size image is suffient to illustrate the collaboration, and I will leave the link to Brame's website so users can buy the full-sized version should they wish it. Is my understanding correct, that the smaller image size no longer violates the non-free use policy? Thanks again. Chrisdevelop (talk) 22:33, 16 April 2018 (UTC)

1. The way to object to the "replaceable" tag is to add what the tag says to add! - i.e. add {{di-replaceable fair use disputed|Your reason that a free replacement can not be found or created}}. Place it under the di-replaceable banner - i.e.line 2 of the image description page. In general we don't allow non-free images of Living People. If it is necessary, then there needs to be critical commentary in the article about the image. Non-free images cannot be used as "decorations". Wikipedia has a far stricter non-free policy than the US requires.
2. The orphaned image is the unused one, not the current one. Non-free should be <100,000 pixels
3. If you can get permission as a free image, then the copyright holder needs to go to Wikipedia:Declaration_of_consent_for_all_enquiries - this is the only way of adding permission - text on the image page will be ignored. Do note that forwarded e-mails will not be accepted as they can be (and have been) abused too easily. If you get the free image permission, then do ask for the big version to be restored. Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 22:53, 16 April 2018 (UTC)

@Ronhjones: OK, thanks. If I can be sure the bot-reduced thumb will remain, and there won't be a hole left in its place, then I'm inclined not to persevere any further to restore the full size image, as the link to Brame's website will allow him to benefit from inquiries for this and other image sales further down the track. Good suggestion about adding critical commentary on the image to the article, even where not mandated for retaining non-free use images. I'll be re-examining all my uploaded images with this in mind. I did a bit of work on that on Eno's page, including citing an Independent article detailing the collaboration, since up to that point it was devoid of all mention of his association with Edinburgh, but have yet to do likewise with Osborne's. Currently seeking a way to link to images back and forth from within the article other than with standard branching to sections, but that can be tonight's homework, unless you have an article you can point me to! Regards Chrisdevelop (talk) 23:25, 16 April 2018 (UTC)

@Ronhjones: Have I misunderstood? From "The orphaned image is the unused one, not the current one. Non-free should be <100,000 pixels" I understood that only the large original would be deleted (which had already occurred by the time this warning was issued to me), and the thumbnail version would remain. I left a direct link to the image owner's site which displays the full size image, and allows users the means to purchase it, so I don't understand how I infringed his copyright. If anything, the opposite has occurred in Wikipedia's protection of his copyright by removing the thumbnail, because now, no-one will hear of him, and he will receive no sales of this image. The entire image has instead been vacated, and left a rather nasty hole. Chrisdevelop (talk) 00:49, 19 April 2018 (UTC)

You understood correctly. It was not due to me (or my bot) - 00:04, 19 April 2018 Explicit deleted page File:Nigel Osborne and Brian Eno.png (F7: Violates non-free content criterion #1 (TW)). I did say we don't allow non free images of Living Persons (except in very rare circumstances), looks like others have agreed. If you can get permission for the image to be free, then the permissions team will undelete. There's not much else you can do. Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 18:00, 19 April 2018 (UTC)

@Ronhjones: Thanks. The photographer Keith Brame has managed to find a place in his travels to log on and upload his image to Flickr, and has set the Attributions to Creative Commons Share-alike, and so I have replaced the previous image with this one on both the Nigel Osborne and Brian Eno articles. Would you mind taking a look and confirming that this is now ok? Regards. Chrisdevelop (talk) 18:05, 19 April 2018 (UTC)

OK, I'm glad he had an established Flickr account (one image on a new account might have been viewed in a different light - it happens!). It will get moved to commons, as we don't keep free images on Wikipedia - nothing for you to do, it will all work OK. Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 18:14, 19 April 2018 (UTC)

Fabulous, thank you! Chrisdevelop (talk) 18:17, 19 April 2018 (UTC)

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Fixed 22 April 2018, also at Draft:Derek Williams (musician) Chrisdevelop (talk) 18:14, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

LGBT people

Please note that Category:LGBT people is not for heterosexual people who derived part or all of their notability from making controversial comments about LGBT people — it is only for people who are openly self-identified as being LGBT people. Bearcat (talk) 18:09, 29 April 2018 (UTC)

@Bearcat: Thank you for this notification. If you read the Draft:Derek_Williams_(musician)#LGBT+_Rights_Activism section of my article, you will note that Dr Williams satisfies this criterion for the category of self-identification as LGBT. There are many citations of newspaper sources to this effect, including numerous radio an interviews, two of which are cited in the article, and a full page story on him, linked to in the opening paragraph:

Skiffington, Toni.  (1 February 1997).  'Derek came out to find success and become a role model'.  Page 14 (full page). The Daily Post (Rotorua, New Zealand)'’

Thanks. Chrisdevelop (talk) 08:31, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

That's not the issue. My comment was about Salawa Abeni ‎and Olajumoke Orisaguna having been added to the LGBT people category, not a draft which shouldn't be in any categories anyway. Bearcat (talk) 08:33, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

OK, I’ll fix that. Thanks. Re my draft article, the LGBT category is only listed in the draft mode, not yet published, as per

Category:Wikipedia drafts.

Chrisdevelop (talk) 08:39, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

And Category:Homophobia explicitly states "it must not include articles about individuals, groups or media that are allegedly homophobic." StAnselm (talk) 20:57, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

@Bearcat:@StAnselm:Is there another category you can recommend that could suit this current situation (and a considerable number like it)? If there isn’t one to cover notable people making inflammatory public statements against LGBT minorities, could, or should a new one be created? And is there a place where one can test the attributes of a category before assigning it? Chrisdevelop (talk) 21:04, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

People are categorized by their defining characteristics, not by "keywording" every general subject area that the article's content happens to touch on. The way to test the attributes of a category, in terms of determining whether it's appropriate to apply to an article or not, is to say to yourself in your head "[Person's name] is a(n) [Category]" — if that results in a statement that is not an accurate description of what the person literally is (e.g. "John Doe is an LGBT person", but he isn't), or if it results in a statement that doesn't even make grammatical sense at all (e.g. "John Doe is a homophobia"), then it's not an appropriate category. Bearcat (talk) 21:14, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

And there are obvious reasons why we don't have Category:Homophobes. StAnselm (talk) 21:22, 30 April 2018 (UTC)a

Thanks both, for your explanations of the policy on Categories. As you mention, I see that category (homophobes) was deleted on POV (and other) grounds after some debate. But ‘Persons opposing LGBT Rights’ was likewise deleted with no objections. The category “homophobic slurs” has survived, but in light of your earlier clarification, one can’t say that so-and-so “is a homophobic slur”. Nigeria and 75 other countries are surely notable enough for their state sponsored persecution of LGBT minorities to warrant a category, so what I am seeking is an expeditious means of search for a suitable category for a notable person who has a view on homosexuality. Both the edits I made relate to Category:Views on homosexuality, but strictly speaking could not themselves be said to BE ipso facto a “view on homosexuality” so much as to espouse them. Is it specific that the subject has to “be” the category, or can they belong to it or espouse it? Chrisdevelop (talk) 22:00, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

@StAnselm: Can you please explain your reversion of my edit of the Category:Views on homosexuality? Criterion is “This category is for articles dealing with the views on homosexuality expressed by particular individuals.” Thank you. Chrisdevelop (talk) 07:55, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

Yes, the main reason is that it is a category of views rather than people. I think the category should be restricted to those views which are notable. There are thousands of people with public views on homosexuality but we don't include all their articles in this category. Why these two people in particular? StAnselm (talk) 08:14, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

These two people came to my notice in the course of editing something else, and given the topical nature of the controversy (Commonwealth Heads of Government Meeting 2018), I was looking for a suitable category to place them in. Of course there are thousands, indeed probably billions of people with views on homosexuality, but obviously they aren’t all notable enough to have Wikipedia articles written about them. The two notables in question are both Nigerian, and the Islamic states within Nigeria impose the death penalty for same-sex relationships, yet one of the notables is involved with Islamic music, which flies contrary to Islamic prohibitions on music (“Forbidden music is the music that is suitable for entertainment and amusement gatherings, even if it does not arouse sexual temptations.”). The views of Abeni were reported by News Agency of Nigeria. The relevance of these two is their capacity to influence popular animus against LGBT minorities in Africa, and had this addition been successful for Category:Views on homosexuality I would have continued to add other notables who had expressed potentially controversial or influential views on homosexuality. Santorum is a case in point, and I do see that there is a separate article dedicated just to his views on homosexuality, which could justifiably be merged with the main article on him, and a redirect to that as a section, since he is not an acknowledged expert on the subject, merely someone with an opinion. My two additions are nowhere near as famous as either Santorum or Freud, but I thought them of relevance because of their links to Africa, the UK Commonwealth, and Islam. Their pronouncements have far greater public influence in that country than were similar statements to be made in first world, high income countries. Do you have a suggestion for an alternative category for cases such as this? Chrisdevelop (talk) 08:28, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

@StAnselm: Did you receive my reply above? Moving on, I would have thought the likes of Fred Phelps would be a worthy addition to this category, since although he was not "a view" per se, he certainly HAD a notable view ("God hates fags"), and was notable for that and for gatecrashing funerals, yet he isn't listed in this category. It seems inconceivable that only 3 people in the Wikipedia gallery of notables have expressed notable views on homosexuality. Robert Mugabe is another who springs to mind. Other notables with equally notable views must surely include Anita Bryant and Harvey Milk, according to the criterion stated on Category:Views on homosexuality, that “This category is for articles dealing with the views on homosexuality expressed by particular individuals.” It doesn't appear to necessitate that the title of the article should contain the literal words "views on homosexuality". Rick Santorum is not "a view", he is a person with a view, no more famously so than the others I mention above. I would have thought the category a perfect fit for all these notable individuals with notable views on homosexuality. Otherwise, with only three entries, this category appears to have little to no value. Chrisdevelop (talk) 23:27, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

No, it's not Santorum who's in the category, but the Rick Santorum's views on homosexuality article. In answer to your previous question, I think the community consensus is not to categorise people in that way. StAnselm (talk) 00:30, 2 May 2018 (UTC)

@StAnselm: Sure, I get the ad hominem part, hence your earlier comment about there being no category for "homophobes". But if the views themselves are notable, and are a defining characteristic, such as those of Fred Phelps and his Westboro Baptist Church, or Anita Bryant or Harvey Milk, and perhaps summarised in a section within an article as distinct from the title of the article itself, what then? Does there have to be an article precisely entitled "Anita Bryant's views on homosexuality"? Her views are discussed within the existing article. I am struggling to see the usefulness of this category with currently only three, disconnected entries, with one a redirect. Someone looking for articles like this would surely be incredulous that only three notables on Wikipedia expressed notable views on homosexuality. Chrisdevelop (talk) 00:57, 2 May 2018 (UTC)

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@Dane: Thank you for not deleting this article outright, and allowing me to improve it. I will go back to the drawing board and heavily prune the article to address the issues raised and then resubmit. While I appreciated the Herculean efforts made by Chrissymad to edit and improve the piece, I didn't enjoy some of the dialogue we had leading up to it, and I'd frankly prefer to repair the article myself and learn from the experience along the way. This was how I had envisaged the review process working. I think a lot of the problem with the excessive detail (which I strenuously tried to avoid by the way), has arisen because I began with Derek Williams' website as the core of my information. Not sure what you mean by "Submission has previously appeared under different titles", as this hasn't been submitted anywhere else on Wikipedia but here. If you're referring to the previous CopyVio decline notice, that has already been addressed by the removal of external copies of my opening paragraph that I had supplied to Williams for him to paraphrase on his website and on Discogs. I was unaware that this would flag as a copyright violation, but it's not in either of those two places anymore. Chrisdevelop (talk) 19:49, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

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@EdJohnston: Thank you for the courtesy of your request, however this close has been already reverted by another editor. Best wishes. Chrisdevelop (talk) 02:18, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

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This has been pulled down to allow another editor to have a go. I see this is now up at Derek Williams (musician) Chrisdevelop (talk) 15:04, 20 March 2023 (UTC+10)

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Thank you. This has now been fixed. Chrisdevelop (talk) 07:51, 28 April 2023 (UTC)

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I have reverted your edit to Colin Cole (fashion designer) and I note that the article does not even mention him attending university. As such, you adding the category is inappropriate in the first instance as categories should reflect what the prose says, and not provide information beyond the prose. Please be more discerning when adding categories. Schwede66 22:30, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

Cole was added because he was the uniform designer for the Auckland University Festival Choir, thereby 'associating' him with the University, and this IS mentioned in the article. In terms of your own argument, if he had attended Auckkland University, he would have been categorised under Alumni. Can you please undo your reversion.

However I take your point already made by other editors about the other duplicates and I will plough through them one by one to remove those that are in the sub-category. Chrisdevelop (talk) 10:41, 19 August 2023 (UTC)

So Cole designed garments worn by the university's choir? That's too indirect an association with the institution in my opinion. Schwede66 11:47, 19 August 2023 (UTC)

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Ring of Scorpio

I'm not going to revert you or ask you to self-revert, but if this is exactly how the show lays these words out, isn't that plagiarism? And is that OK? If so, OK! InedibleHulk (talk) 18:33, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

@InedibleHulk: Thank you for your response. Plagiarism is submitting someone else's work as your own. Merely naming protagonists and production staff doesn't come under the umbrella of "someone's work" - otherwise the only place you could ever read credits would be on the work itself. Re the 'damn bullets' reversion, it is true that bullets should be used only for lists of three or more items, however, looking at the article as a whole, there are 10 bullets in all, so to take out the last two made them look as though they were not credited roles, so think of them as bullets 9 and 10 of a ten bullet list. I hope this clarifies! I agreed with your removal of the surplus section heading. Chrisdevelop (talk) 20:24, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

That's reasonable enough for me! InedibleHulk (talk) 00:52, 1 October 2023 (UTC)

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@Sphilbrick: You gave me no time to respond - I'd only just started the article. I assumed an article in Draft was not public and therefore not subject to Copyright, so I copied the information from its source to start the article, so I didn't have to flick back and forth across various sources. I had no intention at all of publishing the material as it was, to the public. Can you please either remove or hide the section of the article body that contains the copyrighted information and reinstate the article, or undelete the article so I can do this myself? Chrisdevelop (talk) 20:33, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

@Sphilbrick:Discussion moved here. Chrisdevelop (talk) 22:09, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

I responded there.--S Philbrick(Talk) 23:32, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

It is high time we allowed Jimfbleak to cease to receive pings for this. Their talk page is not for this extended discussion. I am sure Sphilbrick will agree.

Chrisdevelop please re-read the first paragraph of the speedy deletion notice. The fundamental element is For legal reasons, we cannot accept copyrighted text or images taken from other web sites or printed material, and as a consequence, your addition will most likely be deleted. You may use external websites or other printed material as a source of information, but not as a source of sentences. This part is crucial: say it in your own words..

It does not say "Except for articles in sandboxes, in draft space, etc." The crystal clarity is there. I will try very hard in a moment to increase the clarity so that you see how important this is, and that there is no wiggle room. That will be in a new section here. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 07:51, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

Absolutely. I am surprised to see that the discusssion is still going on. I hope it is now done. S Philbrick(Talk) 12:34, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

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Notwithstanding all the foregoing, here and elsewhere, almost all the best editors have one apparently grievous error somewhere in their careers here. This bodes well for your future, and for any article you may create. Anyone who is not still learning how to do this is "unusual" and unlikely to improve. So go ahead and write the article in your own words. It will be the better for them. 😊 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 08:27, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

Thanks everyone. I have put in a request at Wikipedia:Requested_articles/music#Organizations in the hope someone picks this up. I have done the same for another article I had been considering creating, but pulled down the draft for yesterday: Reid School of Music - Edinburgh University at WP:Requested_articles/music#Schools_and_music_education. Chrisdevelop (talk) 13:27, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

Forgive me, why not do it yourself? 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 14:26, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

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