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Your submission at Articles for creation: Malecare (January 19)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reasons left by Slywriter were:

This submission is not adequately supported by reliable sources. Reliable sources are required so that information can be verified. If you need help with referencing, please see Referencing for beginners and Citing sources.

This submission appears to read more like an advertisement than an entry in an encyclopedia. Encyclopedia articles need to be written from a neutral point of view, and should refer to a range of independent, reliable, published sources, not just to materials produced by the creator of the subject being discussed. This is important so that the article can meet Wikipedia's verifiability policy and the notability of the subject can be established. If you still feel that this subject is worthy of inclusion in Wikipedia, please rewrite your submission to comply with these policies.

The comment the reviewer left was:

3 Scholarly papers cited, none of which appear to have anything to do with subject.

Rest is Primary documents produced by subject.

Need independent reliable sources

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit when they have been resolved.

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Slywriter (talk) 14:41, 19 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Chiulander! Having an article declined at Articles for Creation can be disappointing. If you are wondering why your article submission was declined, please post a question at the Articles for creation help desk. If you have any other questions about your editing experience, we'd love to help you at the Teahouse, a friendly space on Wikipedia where experienced editors lend a hand to help new editors like yourself! See you there! Slywriter (talk) 14:41, 19 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

January 2022

Hello Chiulander. The nature of your edits gives the impression you have an undisclosed financial stake in promoting a topic, but you have not complied with Wikipedia's mandatory paid editing disclosure requirements. Paid advocacy is a category of conflict of interest (COI) editing that involves being compensated by a person, group, company or organization to use Wikipedia to promote their interests. Undisclosed paid advocacy is prohibited by our policies on neutral point of view and what Wikipedia is not, and is an especially serious type of COI; the Wikimedia Foundation regards it as a "black hat" practice akin to black-hat search-engine optimization.

Paid advocates are very strongly discouraged from direct article editing, and should instead propose changes on the talk page of the article in question if an article exists. If the article does not exist, paid advocates are extremely strongly discouraged from attempting to write an article at all. At best, any proposed article creation should be submitted through the articles for creation process, rather than directly.

Regardless, if you are receiving or expect to receive compensation for your edits, broadly construed, you are required by the Wikimedia Terms of Use to disclose your employer, client and affiliation. You can post such a mandatory disclosure to your user page at User:Chiulander. The template {{Paid}} can be used for this purpose – e.g. in the form: {{paid|user=Chiulander|employer=InsertName|client=InsertName}}. If I am mistaken – you are not being directly or indirectly compensated for your edits – please state that in response to this message. Otherwise, please provide the required disclosure. In either case, do not edit further until you answer this message. 331dot (talk) 21:04, 19 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi 331dot, Theroadislong, & Slywriter - I am not being paid to write the Malecare page. Thanks! Chiulander (talk) 16:33, 20 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

You didn't edit about Malecare by chance. Do you have any association with it whatsoever? 331dot (talk) 16:37, 20 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

No association - not a member or employed by them at all. Just trying to write an article to build up my portfolio and this is my first time trying to write on Wiki. :) Chiulander (talk) 16:53, 20 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

As I said, you didn't edit about them by chance. How did you come to write about them? You said in an edit summary "I've already received approval by previous authors regarding this new content". Whom did you solicit and get approval from? 331dot (talk) 18:08, 20 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I have approval from the founder of Malecare. I found them through Catchafire and thought that it would be nice to volunteer my writing. I'm trying to build up my writing portfolio, and not sure how else to prove that I'm not being paid or benefitting -- aside from having a piece of writing published in a public forum. Is the Malecare entry too promotional? I tried to make it as neutral as possible, with decent reliable sources, and did my best to address the reviewer comments in my edits.

Not trying to be contentious or passive-aggressive at all. I totally get that you have to perform due diligence as I'm sure there's a lot of muck that comes your way. But I'm just trying to get my writing out there without prior clips, and thought that I could do that by helping some more obscure non-profits.

If the entry or my above rationale is unacceptable, feel free to just reject/delete. I'm not getting paid for it, so at this point my time has to be worth something (and yours as well). Chiulander (talk) 18:58, 20 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I'm very curious as to why you said you had no association but now say you solicited approval from the founder of the organization you wrote about(who actually cannot grant or deny approval to write about their organization here). Do you not see communication with the founder of the organization as an association? That is concerning.

In any event, much of your draft is unsourced, and the sources that are offered are brief mentions. Wikipedia is not a place to merely tell about an organization and what it does. A Wikipedia article must summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about the organization, showing how it meets Wikipedia's special definition of a notable organization. Please see Your First Article. I highly urge you to declare a conflict of interest, please see WP:COI. 331dot (talk) 20:17, 20 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

AfC notification: Draft:Malecare has a new comment

I've left a comment on your Articles for Creation submission, which can be viewed at Draft:Malecare. Thanks! Theroadislong (talk) 16:03, 20 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Malecare (January 20)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by 331dot was:

This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject (see the guidelines on the notability of organizations and companies). Before any resubmission, additional references meeting these criteria should be added (see technical help and learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue). If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia.

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit when they have been resolved.

If you would like to continue working on the submission, go to Draft:Malecare and click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window.
If you now believe the draft cannot meet Wikipedia's standards or do not wish to progress it further, you may request deletion. Please go to Draft:Malecare, click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window, add "{{Db-g7}}" at the top of the draft text and click the blue "publish changes" button to save this edit.
If you do not make any further changes to your draft, in 6 months, it will be considered abandoned and may be deleted.
If you need any assistance, or have experienced any untoward behavior associated with this submission, you can ask for help at the Articles for creation help desk, on the reviewer's talk page or use Wikipedia's real-time chat help from experienced editors.

331dot (talk) 20:18, 20 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Concern regarding Draft:Malecare

Hello, Chiulander. This is a bot-delivered message letting you know that Draft:Malecare, a page you created, has not been edited in at least 5 months. Drafts that have not been edited for six months may be deleted, so if you wish to retain the page, please edit it again or request that it be moved to your userspace.

If the page has already been deleted, you can request it be undeleted so you can continue working on it.

Thank you for your submission to Wikipedia. FireflyBot (talk) 21:02, 22 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Your draft article, Draft:Malecare

Hello, Chiulander. It has been over six months since you last edited the Articles for Creation submission or Draft page you started, "Malecare".

In accordance with our policy that Wikipedia is not for the indefinite hosting of material deemed unsuitable for the encyclopedia mainspace, the draft has been deleted. If you plan on working on it further and you wish to retrieve it, you can request its undeletion. An administrator will, in most cases, restore the submission so you can continue to work on it.

Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 20:40, 20 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]