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Hello Skyerise! Thank you so much for your excellent contributions to the article! I have only the most tangential connection to the subject of the article, and philosophically, I think it's fair to say that John Patric and I share little in common save for a love of world travel and a good story. I read a copy of the book Yankee Hobo after my dad mentioned "a local crackpot" who used to frequent my great-grandpa Ted Anderson's barbershop in Everett, Washington, trading stories for a haircut and selling copies of this book to grandpa's customers. Like millions of other readers, I enjoyed Patric's book. I Googled him and found many intriguing bits and pieces about the author, but was surprised to find no Wikipedia mention of him. Initially, my intent in contributing an article to Wikipedia was simply to create a placeholder for future better qualified Patric scholars to build on, but my placeholder was repeatedly rejected as lacking in proper style, completeness, and notability. My zeal in writing this article arose from being a little affronted (not on the count of poor style and incompleteness as both happened to be true), but by the fact that this author wasn't considered noteworthy when so may other less interesting and successful authors were (like this guy, for example). So, I kept at it, motivated only by a desire to learn more about Wikipedia contribution and to preserve this rather unusual character for posterity. Your edits greatly improved the style and elevated the Encyclopedic tone of this, my first article, and I greatly appreciate them. All of the facts and information added were done in a spirit of intellectual honesty, completeness, and with some joy in the effort of researching an obscure non-technical subject (because this activity is so very different from my daily work of software development). Please treat any mistakes I may have made along the way as learning curve of a rookie Wikipedian rather than any attempt to distort the subject matter for any personal agenda or gain.

-- Brycemilton, International Man of Mystery (talk) 20:01, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for responding. I had to ask simply because it seemed to be a bit what we call peacocky. Thought you might be a relative. Glad you like my edits, I think the article is now much more neutral and not much content had to be sacrificed. If you work on biographies in the future, you should know that books and article by the subject should just be put in a "Works" or "Bibliography" section. As long as they have an ISBN, LCCN, and/or OCLC, they are self-supporting and don't need further citation. Feel free to ask me for help or advice as you continue editing Wikipedia. (Note: you can remove all that automated stuff from your talk page. You might want to set up talk page archiving if you stick around.) Skyerise (talk) 20:21, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

P.S. I have also lived in Snohomish County when I was younger. I wrote a long article on a much less savory local Snohomish character, Theodore Rinaldo. He had one thing in common with Patric: they both spent time in Western State Hospital! Not sure how old you are, but you might find you've heard the story... Skyerise (talk) 20:29, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

Thanks again. - "Peacocky," eh? Well, my writing style has been called worse, I guess :-) Thanks for the continuing education. Sad to lose the NYT quote from the book review, because I appreciated the irony of the fact that the NY Times reviewer appeared to be the only person who ever accused John Patric of having "qualities of good sense and poise"...

-- Brycemilton,International Man of Mystery (talk) 20:49, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

Do you have the title of the NYT article? And/or the author or the page number? Just pointing to a whole issue doesn't really allow the quotation to be properly cited, but if we can narrow it down somehow... Skyerise (talk) 21:09, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

TITLE = Japan's Muscle Men, AUTHOR = William H. Chamberlin (note: unusual spelling), ISSUE = June 20, 1943, PAGE = 20, of Section Book Review, ABSTRACT URL = http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=9F04E2DB103CE03ABC4851DFB0668388659EDE#

I double-checked today and this is letter for letter accurate: "qualities of good sense and poise and instinct for honest reporting sufficiently to give his excellent account of Japan's 'common man' the favorable reception it deserves." (my original version earlier used the British spelling of favourable) -- Brycemilton,International Man of Mystery (talk) 21:33, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

BTW - I read your Theodore Rinaldo article - disturbing fellow... I had 6 family members that died in the Jonestown massacre, and a great uncle Tom Grubbs Sr. who accompanied Congressman Ryan on his fact-finding mission... Despite descending from John Milton and a long line of Methodist ministers, my family doesn't tend to be very religious anymore in the younger generations.International Man of Mystery (talk) 23:34, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, it was a bad trip all around. He had all the same methods as Jim Jones, but Jonestown hadn't happened yet so nobody knew! Skyerise (talk) 01:35, 26 March 2015 (UTC)

March 2015

Hello, I'm John from Idegon. I wanted to let you know that I undid one or more of your recent contributions to Snohomish, Washington because it did not appear constructive. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. You still seem intent on wedging info on the person discussed above into articles. The references you supplied, altho not really reliable sources, do not support your claim about the guys mommy, and there was no reason at all to try to piggyback a wikilink to his article here. John from Idegon (talk) 19:09, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

I disagree, but it's not a point worth pressing. I've found links indicating that Emma Patric was considered a local poet of note and that she helped found the Snohomish Pioneer's museum as well as their first library, but primary sources from this time period are still hard to locate online. BryceMiton International Man of Mystery (talk) 19:18, 27 March 2015 (UTC)