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Seamus O'Regan

Hi Bearcat,

You had commented on a change I had made of a photo on a page (Seamus O'Regan). I am still learning how to edit on wikipedia, but I do want to address the concerns you had about the rationale for the photo change:

A few reasons for the change: The old photo’s resolution is quite terrible. As well, his new role is about veterans, and the photo currently up there is in a different function in a previous career. As well, the old photo is nearly a decade old, and as a public figure, it makes sense to have a more recent photo. Similarly to other politicians, their photos aren't from previous careers or many years old. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Streetlamp30 (talk • contribs) 17:24, 16 July 2018 (UTC) --Streetlamp30 (talk) 17:26, 16 July 2018 (UTC)

Fixed the issues with my page

Hey Bearcat,

Thank you for your comments, I have fixed the issues with my page. Could you look it over and let me know if there are any more major issues with the pape? Draft:WWPV

Thanks, Mike

@Bearcat: Wwpv the mike (talk) 01:49, 17 July 2018 (UTC)

Deanne Mazzochi

Deanne Mazzochi was appointed to the Illinois House of Representatives on July 16, 2018. It is a de facto State Representative-elect in that they have been officially chosen by state law and will be sworn in at the first available opportunity. While I have significant issues with the draft (I think it was written by a political supporter), it meets notability. Sub national legislators are notable and (See common outcomes for general politicians). I point this out not to challenge your right to refuse drafts, but to prevent dealing with an AfD of my article.--Mpen320 (talk) 02:46, 17 July 2018 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Saffron Henderson

Hi I wanted your advice about the comments made by User:Modernponderer (some about both of us) in the above discussion. First was the calls for trouting which is passive aggressive then he accused me of being sneaky then said it was a bad faith nomination then he accused both of us of having blatantly lied because we posted extracts of policy and guidelines, I templated him on his talk page to warn him about personal attacks without proof which he removed with as a comment "...proof was provided". So I asked him to strike his comments which he did whilst at the same time saying I had made false claims (which is the same as calling me a liar). He seems to have already been indeffed for personal attacks and be benefited from the standard offer with "Per the consensus here Mdrnpndr is unblocked with a indefinite 1RR restriction. They are also expected to uphold reasonable levels of civility". I don't think his comments are at all reasonable. From what I can see he has been blocked 8 or 9 times for edit warring and personal attacks, 3 times he was indeffed. As an admin what do you suggest should be my next course of action? Dom from Paris (talk) 06:13, 16 July 2018 (UTC)

Leave me alone. I see you've already been warned about WP:HOUNDING. I struck the comments as you wanted, and am no longer participating in that discussion. Modernponderer (talk) 10:13, 16 July 2018 (UTC)

And the part about "false claims" refers to your repeated assertions that proof was not provided, when in fact evidence for the original statement was provided in the very same sentence. I cannot strike out this part as it would mean a perceived personal attack against me would be allowed to stand unchallenged. Modernponderer (talk) 10:28, 16 July 2018 (UTC)

In lieu of removing the bit previously mentioned (which I cannot do), I have apologized to User:Domdeparis, and my apology extends to both of you insofar as my comments did. Modernponderer (talk) 10:44, 16 July 2018 (UTC)

So if I understand rightly you are accusing me of having made a personal attack against you? If that's the case I really don't understand why you bothered apologising because it makes it sound pretty insincere as apologies go but I may be wrong. Either you stand by your accusations of lying or you say you were wrong and the apology is sincere. Dom from Paris (talk) 10:56, 16 July 2018 (UTC)

My apology is for all of my comments in the discussion that could be interpreted as personal attacks. But you stated I did not provide any proof of my assertions at all.

Nevertheless, I have added "perceived" here to make it clear that it was not necessarily an attack on your part. Modernponderer (talk) 11:04, 16 July 2018 (UTC)

Apology accepted here as per dispute resolution guidelines, for me the matter is closed. Cheers. Dom from Paris (talk) 16:36, 17 July 2018 (UTC)

WWPV

I fixed the Echo link but I can not find alternative links for the Burlington Press articles. I do have PDFs of them though, does that help? Also because WWPV is our brand, having the title WWPV-LP will confuse people. Could you change it back to just WWPV?

Thank you,

Mike --Mike from WWPV (talk) 20:41, 17 July 2018 (UTC)

AfD Stev´nn Hall - thanks for categorizing and request for help to improve it

Dear Bearcat, thanks for categorizing Stev´nn Hall under LGBT. I have tried to address some of the issues posed by participants in the AfD discussion, the prevailing opinion being for deletion. May I invite you to kindly visit the discussion page with a view to the possible rescue of the article? Thank you oce again. Neuralia (talk) 07:49, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

Deletion review for Ankit Love

An editor has asked for a deletion review of Ankit Love. Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. MB190417 (talk) 22:57, 20 July 2018 (UTC)

Draft:Beatrice Sargin

The page now is updated with more reliable resources, can you please check again and let me know whatever it needs to be accepted Noona Noona (talk) 13:28, 21 July 2018 (UTC)

Draft/User no cats

You shouldn't remove those categories like that. It makes them a pain to transfer to articles later. What you should do instead is at a : in the category, like this [[:Category:Foobar]]. The page then stops being categorized, and it's super easy to deal with once you're in mainspace (you just remove that :, rather than figure out which categories to add). Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 13:00, 21 July 2018 (UTC)

It's certainly your prerogative to readd the categories in a disabled form if you wish, but it's not my responsibility to preference disabling them over removing them entirely — there are a bunch of different reasons why simply disabling categories is not mandatory and removing them is not verboten.

For starters, people aren't always necessarily choosing the correct categories that the page would belong in even if it were a completed category — such pages are quite frequently filed in incorrect, duplicate or non-existent categories that a mainspace page would still have to be removed from anyway, so it's not my responsibility to leave a bad category there in disabled form. For another, people don't always put the categories at the bottom of the page to make them findable for the purposes of disabling them — sometimes they're buried in the middle of a really long page, and sometimes there are several separate clusters of category declarations in several separate places within the same page, so it's not my responsibility to preference deep-scanning the text for the word "category" over just doing the click-click-save thing in HotCat. And for another thing, in my experience editors are much more likely to remove the disabling code from a category, because they don't understand why it's there, than they are to readd categories that have been removed — so removing is often preferable, because in addition to cleaning up polluted categories we also want to try to minimize the future repollution of categories as much as possible.

At any rate, there are over 600 polluted categories in the current "mainspace categories with userspace pages in them" batch report, which each have to be checked and cleaned manually because there's no way to automate that process, and Category:AfC submissions with categories typically collects 50-100 new draftspace pages per day because new users operating in draftspace don't know the rules about categorization — and with that size of job, I can't be reasonably expected to spend two or three minutes on each page evaluating the categories for passage of problem #1, or deep-scanning the page for problem #2. If there were only a small handful miscategorized pages to deal with at any given time, then "take the extra time to disable them instead of removing them" would be a more reasonable expectation — but with hundreds upon hundreds of pages to deal with per day, that's not a reasonable burden to place on the people who get stuck cleaning up the kludge. If you prefer to disable instead of removing, that's fine — but we have no rule that disabling the categories is mandatory and removing them is forbidden. Bearcat (talk) 13:31, 21 July 2018 (UTC)

The point is that you've been systematically removing those outright from user sandboxes and drafts (this one is a noob-centric). If you want to keep doing that sort of cleanup, doing a find [[Category: replace [[:Category: is better than outright removal, especially in Draft space (either manually, or with WP:AWB). This is especially important for AFC submissions, as AFC helping scripts will automatically convert [[:Category: to [[Category: when accepting articles. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 13:45, 21 July 2018 (UTC)

I didn't fail to recognize that as your point; I responded to why that "disable, don't remove" is not always a useful approach — there are a number of real reasons, including the sheer number of articles that have to be dealt with and the fact that not every category people add to a user or draft page is necessarily always a valid or accurate or even existing one, why simply disabling the category declaration, and not removing it entirely, is not always the most viable solution. And I'll add, as well, that in AWB it is impossible to evaluate whether any given category exists or not, which leaves a person in a total Catch-22 — even if you're choosing disabling over removal, bad categories that the finished article still wouldn't belong in anyway (duplicates or categories that don't even exist) should still be removed anyway, because they're just going to create even more cleanup down the road, but AWB leaves a person completely unable to tell whether any given category is a good or bad one.

Again, if you prefer to disable, you're absolutely free to do so — but no Wikipedia rule says that category declarations on user or draftspace pages are not allowed to just be removed, so somebody else choosing removal over disabling is not legitimate grounds for criticism. There are legitimate reasons why removing category declarations, rather than just disabling them, is acceptable and sometimes necessary, so criticizing other people for making a perfectly valid choice isn't really appropriate. Bearcat (talk) 14:10, 21 July 2018 (UTC)

Well, I suppose I can't force to you improve your edits and make them less editor-hostile. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 14:12, 21 July 2018 (UTC)

There's nothing "editor-hostile" or "in need of improvement" about it. Is there, for instance, some part of "sometimes editors add pages to redlinked categories that don't even exist to have pages added to them in the first place" that somehow strikes you as not a problem I should be fixing in the process? I should be simply "forced" to disable a category declaration even if the category doesn't actually exist at all or the finished article would never belong in that category in the first place? Bearcat (talk) 14:19, 21 July 2018 (UTC)

Biography of Living person Traci Kochendorfer

Hey Bearcat please put back the images for living people tracikochendorfer we have authority by her to upload and own the copyrights she is a celebrity these images are also owned by her and we are editing for purpose of the fact she owns the copyrights and so do we.

I didn't do anything with the images. Bearcat (talk) 19:12, 22 July 2018 (UTC)

RTX (Ray Tracing Technology)

I'd link this off of the RTX disambig page. Not following the comment about the category even existing. Help? Thanks!

Popoki 🐱🐱 chat 19:51, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

Where does the OTRS notification go?

Hi Bearcat, you removed my OTRS tag on one of my articles. If the OTRS tag doesn't go on articles, where is it supposed to go? Thanks! Reriksenus (talk) 02:29, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

Protection of Canadian Film Centre

Hi, why did you choose to indefinitely full protect the article Canadian Film Centre? This level and length of protection is extremelty excessive, especially as the article doesn't get a huge amount of edits from extended confirmed editors. Please reconsider, thanks. Iffy★Chat -- 13:36, 25 July 2018 (UTC)

Random WP:POLITICIAN Opinion

Greetings Bearcat. I noticed you have alot of experience in politics AFDs, and wanted to know your view concerning the interpretation of the sub-national/state aspect to the guideline.

"The following are presumed to be notable:

Politicians... who have held ... sub-national (statewide/provincewide) office..."

Do you normally interpret the above to mean only unelected apex state leaders and chief justice are presumed to satisfy the guideline? Does United States states' commissioners satisfy WP:POLITICIAN? What kind of unelected state leaders in the US satisfy WP:POLITICIAN?

Your opinion will be highly appreciated because I am nolonger 100% confident that my semantic understanding of the guideline is in tandem with the reasoning of the original authors.HandsomeBoy (talk) 20:46, 25 July 2018 (UTC)

transmit

How to transmit Draft:My Article to My Article in wikipedia?تشی مقدس (talk) 12:41, 27 July 2018 (UTC)

Deanne Mazzochi

I am resubmitting this article. Mazzochi is now sworn into the Illinois General Assembly. By your comments, I perceive that you do not view Mazzochi's term as Chairman of the College of DuPage Board as notable. COD is, if not the largest, one of the largest JuCos in the country, and though the Wikipedia article on COD does not mention it, President Robert Breuder's termination at Mazzochi's hands was the culmination of one of the biggest education scandals in Illinois history (revelation of Breuder's use of taxpayer money on safaris and wine-laden dinner parties drew outrage from incensed citizens across Illinois). The COD narrative is what propelled Mazzochi to notoriety, what put her on the ballot, and what eventually led to her appointment to state office. If you take issue with specific references, can you please note them, that I may find others to replace them. I would have considered primary source to be Mazzochi press releases (of which I have included none) or Mazzochi's campaign site, which I did include - but only after finding similar inclusion on the Wikipedia pages of other office holders.Lorisolyom (talk) 04:41, 31 July 2018 (UTC)

Hubert Lenoir

Hey! Thanks a bunch for writing an article about this upcoming Canadian artist. I did the same a couple of weeks ago on the French Wikipedia. They've been giving me a tough time due to notoriety issues (my fault for not using proper sources), but the article should prevail. Tinss (talk) 17:40, 3 August 2018 (UTC)

20th-century Argentine writers

Hi, I noticed you removed Category:20th-century Argentine writers from the articles Syria Poletti, Matilde Sánchez, and Hebe Uhart. Were they incorrectly categorized? Nick Number (talk) 20:57, 6 August 2018 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Albert Cashier

You have previously participated in discussions about the use of gendered pronouns in the biography of Albert Cashier. An Rfc about this topic is taking place at Talk:Albert Cashier, and your comments are welcome. Mathglot (talk) 18:18, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

He did it again[1] 199.119.233.152 (talk) 08:47, 18 August 2018 (UTC)

Enquiry

Hello Bearcat; Pardon me if my enquiry may sound awkward. Am a new Wikipedia editor. The two articles below are my first . I wish to enquirer whether the changes you made on the articles of Lynda Raymonde and Minette Libom Li Likeng will prevent them from being put online since the work was not perfect.

 Thank you. Awah Nadege (talk) 15:30, 19 August 2018 (UTC)

User:Gustaveflaubert

Hello Bearcat. According to my mailbox, you left a message on my talk page. Cannot see it. Were your concerns, thoughts addressed? Thanks.Gustaveflaubert (talk) 18:33, 20 August 2018 (UTC)