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56th National Hockey League All-Star Game

Hi. Do you have a citation for this? Reason I ask is today somebody added a fact tag tag to it, and if we cannot find a source that backs it up, the note may be removed. Thanks. - Rjd0060 (talk) 15:40, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

I've added a cite today. It's in the NHL records for the All-Star Game. Alaney2k (talk) 15:10, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Great! I looked around online to find one, but couldn't. Thanks - Rjd0060 (talk) 16:03, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

I was looking for one too, but also could not find it, but was sure that Alaney was correct -Pparazorback (talk) 20:16, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

St. Louis Blues (hockey)

Hello Alaney. If you can help end the schism over the Blues captains list & the current alternate captains? it would be appreciated. GoodDay (talk) 18:25, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

Ottawa Senators

Have you noticed this season, the Senators no longer bestow the C on anyone, whenever Alfredsson is out of the lineup? I wonder if that's signifcant enough to add to the Sens article? apparently Paddock prefers 3 A's when Alfie's out. GoodDay (talk) 18:14, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, Redden's days as a Senator are numbered. Get ready for a permanent A, Fisher. GoodDay (talk) 18:29, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

On the other hand? Redden has just refused to give up his 'no trade clause', today. GoodDay (talk) 23:19, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

If you mean the 'current roster', it's alowable to put an A next to Fisher & a (Injured) tag next to Alfredsson. The other team articles do it. GoodDay (talk) 19:54, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, forgot to tell ya: interims aren't added on the seasonal articles or their templates. Just the 'roster' on the Team article. 20:17, 6 February 2008 (UTC). GoodDay (talk) 20:30, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Calgary Tigers: What? we haven't disagreed for a long while. As for the Tigers? I'm afraid I'm not sure, I'm not familliar enough with that team to make any suggestions. Ya better get the Project's imput. GoodDay (talk) 21:00, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Folded the tent

Yep, it's true Al. I just couldn't stomach those 'diacritics & other foreign symbols' anymore. As for the Ottawa Senators article & related articles? you're doing a great job. I'm sorry about the times I 'tattled' on you at the Project. PS- I hope Murray can get the boys back on track for the Playoffs. GoodDay (talk) 18:05, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

I'm against diacritics being on English Wikipedia. Perhaps, I'm xenophobic or linguisticphobic about the topic, but - I venomously despise the usage of those foreign symbols. There's only 2 things that could get me back on the Hockey articles - 1)Hide the diacritics on the NHL team articles' current rosters (the birth city names), thus complete eradication of those symbols from the NHL team articles & 2) A promise from Elrith, that he'll respect the WikiProject's compromise (he's said he wouldn't). GoodDay (talk) 18:48, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

PS: I wunder if Krm500 & Djsasso (Note: I don't hold a grudge against Dj, as an Administrator, he has to uphold Wiki conventions), have noticed that two very important NHL sources (the NHL official website & the NHLPA official website) don't use the diacritics for birth city names? GoodDay (talk) 18:57, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

I admire your guts Al (I'm watching the WikiProject Page). See Wikipedia: Naming conventions (use English), there have been & still are discussions going on, concerning 'diacritics & other foreign symbols' usage, on English Wikipedia. GoodDay (talk) 20:23, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

You've hit the nail right on, Al. Example: if I didn't know anything about Lubomir Visnovsky? and looked up his article? I'd be in serious trouble (how does one pronounces 'squares'?). I don't think Dj or Krm (or their supporters on this matter) will ever 'let go' of the NHl team articles 'completely'. GoodDay (talk) 20:44, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

For the millionth time, squares are not diacritics, they are your computer missing a file it needs. -Djsasso (talk) 20:49, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Are you spying on my talk page? :-) :-) :-) Alaney2k (talk) 20:52, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Nah spying on his edits, he tends to comment about you on other peoples talk pages when he gets frustrated. -Djsasso (talk) 20:54, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

What a bad boy! ROTFL. I am sure -you- would never do that! :-) Still, please don't spy! Alaney2k (talk) 21:03, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

It's not really spying, there is a reason you can see peoples edit history. Keeps them honest. ;) -Djsasso (talk) 21:11, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Djsasso's arrogance has shoved me out the door. Who ever said Wikipedia is for the laymen? was smoking up. Dj is just too intelligent for me, how dare I dispute his views. GoodDay (talk) 21:26, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

When have I said you couldn't dispute my views? Personally I see you as the arrogant one, denying anything you think is foreign and refusing to consider it. Other less understanding people might actually see your views as racist, I don't because I know you are better than that. But I am just pointing out its not like only one side of the debate is being arrogant. -Djsasso (talk) 21:34, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

While this is my page, I would side with GoodDay on this topic. :-) Alaney2k (talk) 21:37, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

That is, you are being elitist. No offence intended. Alaney2k (talk) 21:38, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

*shrug* Elitist or not, I would rather the quality of the encyclopedia not start to drop because of inaccuracies. If that makes me elitist, so be it. -Djsasso (talk) 21:43, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Your comments remind me of those people who have started those alternative Wikipedias. Would you be more comfortable there? :-) Alaney2k (talk) 21:46, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

It's not like I am the only person who feels this. It's split about 50/50 right down the middle of Wikipedia. This is the reason there will never be an agreement on the subject. Personally I would rather just let people use what they will use and leave it there. But GoodDay gets into edit wars fairly frequently with people over them. If I see them or don't see them I rarely make a change to add them. In fact I removed them recently to respect the consensus. -Djsasso (talk) 21:49, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I noticed. I was unaware of the policy change, or at least that's what it seemed to me. Wikipedia at large will never agree, I agree. But I do think we should err on the side of being simplistic. That is, obscure native spellings add no value. Those who put them there are trying to stick up for the little guy or feel somewhat like they are working against oppression possibly or don't like the States, who knows? Alaney2k (talk) 21:58, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Yeah I don't know, I am Canadian so that's why I am sometimes amused that people get mad at me for it saying us Euro's don't know anything...when I am not even remotely european unless I go back a couple generations. Anyways, thanks for the discussion. -Djsasso (talk) 22:03, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

I had to drop out of the discussion again, Al. I've already confessed in the past, my venomous hatred for diacritics. Seeing as that's my attitude, I feel it crippling my ability to discuss the topic calmly. As I mentioned to others, If I'm not having fun on these Hockey articles? It's best I stay away, as I'm only ruining it for others. GoodDay (talk) 22:19, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Al? are you resisting the pro-dio's? I've noticed you removed the dios from the Sens current roster section, you've got guts man. Be careful though, I tried that months ago & got close to being blocked (for 3RR breaching). GoodDay (talk) 17:03, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Hey, don't you know you are being spied upon? What are you accusing me of? Heresy? :-) Alaney2k (talk) 17:05, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Giggle, giggle. GoodDay (talk) 17:20, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Bravo

I've read your posting at Elrith's page, well put Al. I've been trying to control my emotions lately, concerning diacritics. As for the Ice Hockey articles diacritics, I'll admit Elrith & myself, have alot in common (he & I are both stubborn on the issue). I'm planning (today) to go into discussion -again- with him & Djsasso (and keeping my temper, in check). GoodDay (talk) 17:08, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

I personally am not going to undo all of what you just did, but major changes like this to all pages, NEED to be discussed with the project page. Personally I think adding that to all the pages has just made a huge mess of all the lead paragraphs. No other subject in wikipedia does this, and I am guessing that any article that went up for FA that had this sentence in it would be forced to remove it. -Djsasso (talk) 21:37, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

I believe that you are referring to adding the common spelling to the pages? These spellings can be found in common usage, e.g. news media. Why is that a mess? I believe it is helpful. I have done it in good faith. If you want to look up players, it seems mainly of Czech or Slovak descent, you need the common spelling to find them in a 'full-text' search. That would be a shame that that info would mess up a FA, though. Alaney2k (talk) 21:41, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

I am not saying its horrible, my only point is that this is adding in a whole new format so to speak to player pages. And formating is definately something that should be discussed at the project. I am not saying you weren't doing this in good faith and I totally can see where you are coming from. But the key issue behind the diacritics debate is that those spellings are not the correct spellings, so to pass them off as if they were correct could be an even bigger contentious issue. And I don't know that it would be an issue at FA. I am just saying it looks a bit odd when the words aren't all that different. (ie are only missing diacritics) -Djsasso (talk) 21:46, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

I've started at discussion at WT:HOCKEY. Probably for the best. Alaney2k (talk) 21:50, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Again not anything against you or what you are doing, but since I already saw the beginings of a war about them between you and Krm I thought I should suggest this. -Djsasso (talk) 21:55, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

I've put a note on Krm's talk page. I think we can discuss this addition reasonably. As Wikipedians of the 'highest' order, though I think Hockey is probably not too high on the Wiki food-chain. :-) Alaney2k (talk) 22:02, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

History of the Ottawa Senators (1992-)

I finally got around to looking over the article and have to say I'm impressed. As such, I'm tempted to suggest maybe look to making it a FAC, or consider doing so soon. It's quite the article for such a young team. Again, nice job. Kaiser matias (talk) 06:46, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. We've tried three times to get it to GA, so it's been edited heavily. Alaney2k (talk) 15:06, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

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NHL article rule discussion

Please have a look at WT:HOCKEY#Editing "records" articles when a record is broken if you have time. I would like to discuss the inflexibility of the "don't update until the season is over" rule. − Twas Now ( talk • contribs • e-mail ) 20:36, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of History of the Ottawa Senators (1992-)

Hello, I just wanted to introduce myself and let you know I am glad to be reviewing the article History of the Ottawa Senators (1992-) you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Zenlax ^{T C S} 19:54, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

I have passed the article. Thank you so much for contributing your time and effort in the article. Zenlax ^{T C S} 19:13, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

GA Nomination of Ottawa Senators

Oh, mayby you misunderstood what I meant, not the lead (the first paragraph) but the following paragraphs should be in someway sourced. But according to WP:Lead#Citations, redundant sourcing shouldn't be used, but some of the material that's in the second and third paragraph of the lead needs to be sourced, or it is "likely to be challenged". Also, no problem, I just want to get rid of the backlog of the Sports and recreation GAN.--TrUCo-X 21:15, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

I did not see that, im sorry, but if it's possible, try to place the source in the refs section.--TrUCo-X 21:39, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

I replied on the GA Talk Page, there is one more sentence that stands out that is not sourced..--TrUCo-X 01:50, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Also please see the comment about the MoS.--TrUCo-X 01:53, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Looks better, now the 07-08 season stands out, will that be a subheading as well or ??--TrUCo-X 21:16, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Begging is not good and will look bad in the GAN, it has passed but please do not beg again, even in good faith :-]TrUCo-X 22:41, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

I understand, but other users might see it differently. But again, congrats on your GA. YOu deserve to present this -->

This user helped promote Ottawa Senators to good article status.

TrUCo-X 22:49, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Congrats on finally getting this article to GA status, Alaney. Especially with the history article passing as well. Well done! Resolute 04:01, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

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This has been addressed. Alaney2k (talk) 13:57, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

AWB

Since I noticed you are using AWB now and are editing the same articles I am editing after I have edited them. I just want to put a word of caution to you since I have been using AWB for awhile. It will try to change some things that shouldn't be changed. I built a pretty complex search and replace paramaters to make these changes. Make sure you aren't changing the inter-wiki links or URLs. I keep catching URLS by mistake and have to fix them. Most of the time I manage to catch them ahead of time. -Djsasso (talk) 20:42, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Hrm maybe I missed a set of numbers. Do you happen to have an example? In my instances if there is a space it won't change for safety. So it could be spaces that are keeping it from changing. -Djsasso (talk) 20:48, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Looks like it is my spaces. I guess I will start filtering for spaces as well. Was trying not to do that cause it will bring in so many more hits. But will do what we must. :) -Djsasso (talk) 21:03, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Should it have made full-time full—time, and all-time all—time? Grsz 11 21:42, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Only temporarily. I guess it left some that way? I'll be more careful about that. Alaney2k (talk) 21:50, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

QMJHL

Please let me know when you have time to move and maintain the List of QMJHL seasons to the en-dash. Thanks. Sqwerty (talk) 20:36, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

I'll go ahead and do the move. I see I should do the WHL as well. Alaney2k (talk) 21:16, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. The QMJHL season articles and the QMJHL trophy articles all need to have their wikilinks updated, as they are interconnected. Only some teams have standings right now. Sqwerty (talk) 21:41, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. Looks good. Sqwerty (talk) 23:49, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

AHL

If you have a chance, the AHL trophies could also have the script run on them for season wikilinks. Flibirigit (talk) 23:47, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Elmira <-> Bingo <-> Ottawa

Have you found anything formally linking the Jackals to the Sens (Bingo or Ottawa)? I know Binghamton and Elmira have, at least on 1 occasion, shared a player, but I don't think it was the result of any formal affiliation. I think it was more of an ad hoc loan based on geographical convenience. ccwaters (talk) 17:34, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

It definitely looks like there is something, its just very strange there no mention of an affiliation anywhere. This is the only team website that acknowledges the Jackals: http://bluejackets.nhl.com/team/affiliates.htm ccwaters (talk) 18:30, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

2007-08 Ottawa Senators season

Hello Al. I've omitted Fisher from that articles 'alternate captains'; fo the same reasons, Tucker isn't included at 2007-08 Toronto Maple Leafs season article & Markov isn't included at 2007-08 Montreal Canadiens season. -- GoodDay (talk) 22:34, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Gretzky FAR

Hello. We seem to be the only two people working on this article at the time. It needs some work, but its FA status can definitely be saved. An important first step is to bring the referencing in line with current standards. I gave my opinion at the review, and it's great that you have access to old newspapers to use as citations. I've been citing the article myself, and think that we should discuss splitting the job. We seem to be sourcing the same section, when we could be doing this faster by working together. Let me know what you think. Giants2008 (talk) 19:31, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

How about we try this: I can find Internet sources for stats, playoff results and some general news, but I won't do as well with viewpoints (some say, others say, rumours, etc). Your papers would be perfect for those things. My next task will be to go on the Internet Archive to see if the many dead links can be found. The Canoe links all seem to be newspaper articles, so if they can't be found, maybe the Canadian Newsstand will have them. Keep up the good work. Giants2008 (talk) 22:16, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Great idea. This is also my first time working on an FA article to this extent (I did some ref formatting for Michael Jordan, but nothing like this). With that in mind, see if you can solicit some help from WikiProject Ice Hockey. It sounds like we may have trouble with prose improvements due to our inexperience with this process, so try to get an FA veteran to help with referencing issues and copy-editing. Giants2008 (talk) 23:47, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

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		For hard work to keep Wayne Gretzky at Featured Article status, I award Alaney2k this barnstar. GaryColemanFan (talk) 06:16, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

You're doing a great job on this article. I wanted it to remain an FA, so I appreciate all of your effort on this article. It's looking much better. GaryColemanFan (talk) 06:16, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

List of Stanley Cup champions

Hi I was wondering where the winners per league season on the table were coming from. None of the sources I have seen mention them. For example, a book I have only lists the Winnipeg Victorias as winning in December 1986, but the table we have lists them twice. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 02:35, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

My main concern is: where are these "_____ champion" rows coming from? I've checked several sources and I have found nothing that says that the Winnipeg Victorias were MHA champions after defeating Montreal or that the Monreal Victorias were AHAC Champions twice. Most sources (including CBC, TSN, NHL.com and the HHOF) only list the challenge cup games. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 15:33, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

Could you please explain it, or I'm just going to go ahead and remove any cup victory not mentioned on any of the above lists. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 20:04, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

It wouldn't hurt to have a reference to the book on the page, could you add it? As well, I can't find a source for the February 19, 1901 challenge cup game between the Winnipeg Victorias and Winnipeg HC (none of my sources mention it), does your book have it? -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 20:51, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Are you 100% sure it was a challenge cup game? Because I have five sources that dont mention it in any way, shape or form and I don't see why they should be trumped by one article that could be mistaken. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 21:01, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Perhaps we should add a note (and reference) about it then. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 21:12, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

As well, I think I`m going to remove the 2nd place teams from the league seasons because it makes it harder to distinguish between league champions and challenge cup game winners. In my opinion, listing 2nd place teams there is a tad trivial (and we dont list runner-ups at any of the NHL trophy articles). -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 20:58, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Alaney, what do you think about having the win/loss record table contain a listing of all the SCF appearances as before (plain-text = loss; bold =win), since Scorpion seems to vehemently disagree. As I explained in the article talk section, I believe this data's removal was erroneous as it serves several important functions. Jmj713 (talk) 00:18, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Ottawa's Pizza line

I removed it again for a couple of reasons...one is Garrioch is a bit of a moron, but since that isn't relevant, it's because the source is, unless I am missing something, "unlookupable". I mean, it is a source without a link to the actual source. So there is no context, no verifiability as to the accuracy of the reference. As well, The Hockey News sometimes uses references themselves that are old (from a previous season). It would be like referencing the French Connection as a current line in an article about the Sabres because it was mentioned in a recent article in The Hockey News or some local newspaper. If the line is changed to reference that there was a line called that, or if the line was moved to the proper season section, then fine, but it certainly isn't relevant anymore. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ccrashh (talk • contribs) 19:05, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Navboxes

I've added Links to related articles to the navbox as a default ,i'm sure it will be changed in time but for now its better than nothing, good suggestion Gnevin (talk) 00:45, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

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Re. American English

Actually, I agree with the user that we should use the IPA according to the respective languages' pronunciation of those words. And that should suffice. They're foreign words, and their pronunciation in English is just an approximation to the original language (and naturally the most approximated they get the best). Furthermore, it is rather impossible to determine for such uncommon foreign words how would an English speaker pronounce them (especially because by being rarely heard, many variations in English are likely to occur). The original language should thus suffice. It's just like the names of small towns of non-English speaking countries. Regards, Húsönd 15:36, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Toronto

You are certainly allowed to have your own opinion, but if I were you I would try not to make a rediculous arguement worse by bringing the Toronto situation in, as that has been the subject of much debate between scholars as well. This is one of those debates that comes about because of recent news. It will eventually die down and end up being subject to the same concensus used on all other international competitions on wikipedia. -Djsasso (talk) 16:08, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Good Article nomination of Frank McGee (ice hockey)

Hey Alaney. I've reviewed the article and placed it on hold. Let me know when you've had a look. Thanks.-Wafulz (talk) 18:06, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Ottawa Senators franchise scoring leaders

Hey there. I noticed you reverted my recent edit on the Senators' franchise scoring leaders table. I can understand reverting an edit that is lacking a source, but career statistics are such that they can be easily confirmed by a number of credible websites, including wikipedia itself. Furthermore, the version of the table that you reverted my edits to is inconsistent and inaccurate (ie. Daniel Alfredsson's career statistics are wrong, and Mike Fisher, whose link is broken and in lower case, is already updated to the end of the 07-08 season).

I will be updating the table again in the near future, leaving time for you to share whatever objection you may have on my talk page. Thanks. Orlandkurtenbach (talk) 07:40, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Belated thanks

Wayne Gretzky survived its review a couple days ago, and I just wanted to pass on my thanks for your hard work. I wanted this article to stay featured, and it probably wouldn't have kept its status without your edits (and those of the other contributors). Giants2008 (talk) 21:52, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Great work!

Just wanted to say I really like what you have done with the finals infobox. Looks great. And the change of the senators page to summary style is really great too! (ps. See I am not negative all the time hehe) -Djsasso (talk) 19:34, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

(That sound was me falling off my chair) Thanks. I'm happy you liked it. I'll try to keep the good work going. As for the Senators, I was wondering if the tag would come back... Alaney2k (talk) 19:49, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

The infobox is excellent and long overdue. Thanks! Jmj713 (talk) 20:04, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Quebec Bulldogs

If you look at the page it says this at the beginning

The Quebec Bulldogs were a men's senior-level ice hockey team officially known as the Quebec Athletics.

But through my research it seems that the "Athletics" monikor only came about during the one year they played in the NHL. Take a look at this link which is run by a Quebec Buulldogs historian.

http://64.233.179.104/translate_c?hl=fr&sl=fr&tl=en&u=http://quebecbulldogs.wordpress.com/2008/01/30/bulldogs-dabord-une-mascotte/

Like the Ottawa Senators (who's official name was the Ottawa HC), the same thing applied to Quebec. They were simply the Quebec HC (Bulldogs, like Senators for Ottawa, was just a casual name). They only became the Quebec Athletic Club when they joined the NHL in 1919.

Do you think the page should be re-written to conform to this? The problem is citations. I don't know if citing a website can be considered a legit citation.Giantdevilfish (talk) 20:40, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Alright good job. This is what I like to see, proper information. Misinformation always annoyed me such as Toronto being called the "Arenas" in 1917/18, or the original Senators being formed in 1894 when it was 1883. (Remember the old shoulder patches the current Sens wore that had Est. 1894 in Roman numerals?). I even added a bit of info myself including that citation about the newspapers calling the team the Athletics in 1919/20. I even added that Quebec Bulldogs website link as a citation.

Now if only when can track down the origin of thier nickname. Going by that website I listed above, you get the impression the Bulldogs name came in 1911 after Malone brought his pet Bulldog to the game as a good luck mascot,Giantdevilfish (talk) 18:09, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

The Toronto link

See response at my page (as you requested). GoodDay (talk) 19:15, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Peek again. GoodDay (talk) 20:40, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Senators captains in 1993-94

Hello Al. I've recently adjusted the captains nav boxes at Mark Lamb, Brad Shaw, Gord Dineen & Randy Cunneyworth. My adjustments were made on the assumption that when captain Mark Lamb was traded away in March 1994, captain Brad Shaw (note: Lamb & Shaw were co-captains) was simultaneously stripped of his captaincy. Then, the Senators named Gord Dineen captain. I've no sources for this, but seeing as you're knowledgeable about the Sens? did I make the correct edits? GoodDay (talk) 21:55, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Okie Dokie. GoodDay (talk) 22:38, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Any luck? My guess is it'll just list them all together. GoodDay (talk) 21:21, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Yep, that's exactly how I remembered it, thanks Al. GoodDay (talk) 17:49, 7 July 2008 (UTC)