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Thanks for your additions to the dinosaur articles! Keep up the good work! :) --Firsfron of Ronchester 08:35, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

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Thanks for reminding me he's called RPG Advocate! Kopf1988 20:47, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Ammonite articles

Hi. I noticed you had recently created many articles on individual ammonite genera. I would ask that you consider whether it is a useful endeavour creating hundreds of sub-stubs that provide no information whatsoever on the particular genera they are meant to describe. I would think that writing more comprehensive articles on just a few genera would be more useful. Also, I noticed you included "Name" instead of {{PAGENAME}}, such that none of the articles actually mention their subject matter in the text. I'm not sure what would be the best course of action at this point. Perhaps deleting the articles and starting over? Mgiganteus1 14:41, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

I intend on adding as much info as possible to these articles in the future. They won't remain useless forever. I'm just starting them up so that they can be edited by those who should choose to. Abyssal leviathin 18:27, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Ammonite names

You're welcome, but in the future, could you insert the names when you create the articles? J. Spencer 01:23, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Trilobite genera

Hi again. Nice work on the List of trilobites! I was wondering what reference you used to compile the list. Is it this page by any chance? If so, it would be good to list the original paper ("Available generic names for trilobites") in a Reference section at the end of the article. Mgiganteus1 20:35, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Am I right in thinking you've combined both sources? Mgiganteus1 13:20, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Input request

Hi Abyssal leviathin, there is some discussion currently going on here, and I noticed you have {{User anime}} on your userpage. If you are not too busy, I would appreciate it if you could drop some of your ideas on how to reform the portal on the aforementioned talk page. Thanks! « ANIMUM » 22:08, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Echis

Hi Abyssal leviathin. I noticed your edit to Echis. Do you have a reference for your statement? Also, regarding your reference to this genus in the Fiery flying serpent article, these snakes are definitely not capable of leaping "up to chest height." The only ones capable of such behavior are of the imaginary sort. --Jwinius 16:55, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I have a reference. It's an article from a Mormon magazine. Here --> http://www.meridianmagazine.com/sci_rel/000609serpent.html

As for the chest height thing, I swore I read that somewhere. Just remove it. I'll re-add it if I ever find a believable reference, which as you said is unlikely. Abyssal leviathin 21:04, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Okay, thanks! I've added the reference to the Echis article. I've also taken the liberty of adding it to your Fiery flying serpent article. --Jwinius 23:12, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Ceratitida

Will this page turn into an article at some point? As of now, it doesn't qualify as a page which should be kept, but if you have a plan for this, please let me know. Thanks. Owen× ☎ 02:08, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

I understand. The best way to do that is to create the page temporarily in your User space, e.g. User:Abyssal leviathin/Ceratitida. Pages in your user space are generally left alone by admins. Once the page is ready, you use the move button to move it to the article space. Let me know if you need any help moving pages or deleting the "redirect" tag that is left behind when you use this method. Owen× ☎ 02:19, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

No problem. I realized this was serious work in progress rather than the tomfoolery we often see here, but some other admins may be quicker with their "delete" button. Owen× ☎ 02:25, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

{{Ammonite-stub}}

Hi - I see you have recently created one or more new stub types. As it states at Wikipedia:Stub, at the top of most stub categories, and in many other places on Wikipedia, it is recommended that new stub types are proposed prior to creation at Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Proposals, in order to check whether the new stub type is already covered by existing stub types, whether it is named according to stub naming guidelines, whether it is otherwise correctly formatted, whether it reaches the standard threshold for creation of a new stub type, and whether it crosses existing stub type hierarchies. Your new stub type is currently listed at WP:WSS/D - please feel free to make any comments there as to any rationale for this stub type. And please, in future, consider proposing new stub types first! Grutness...wha? 02:07, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for Ammonite Stuff

Not a problem, it's my pleasure :D Kevmin 04:07, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

‎List of prehistoric bony fish (Osteichthyes) List of placoderms ‎List of prehistoric cartilaginous fish (Chondrichthyes) List of prehistoric jawless fish

Hello there! When creating lists, could you re-format the content to make it easier to read. For instance like this page List of pterosaur classifications or like such: List of mammals of Canada. Even just to put a star before the name would be an enormous help. You seem to be on the right track, placing valid lists online. A few references from the WWW would help your lists stay online without being deleted. Try a template for a reference like this Wikipedia:Citation templates for inline citations for line by line. Try to add more inline citations to this article: List of prehistoric jawless fish This list has one reference as well, however the previous method is better: List of prehistoric cartilaginous fish (Chondrichthyes) Good luck and keep on with the good work! SriMesh | talk 02:36, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Hello; Thank you for the heads up on your other lists such as List of ammonites amongst the others. They are very impressive. Way to go! Kind Regards. SriMesh | talk 03:28, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of List of prehistoric sponges

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It is a list of prehistoric sponges.. and none of them have links to other Wikipedia articles. No references, and It might have even been copied. -Domthedude001 00:45, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Number 1, it was copied -from the online database version of Jack Sepkoski's 2002 compendium of marine fossil genera. Number 2, no duh it doesn't sources, links or context, I made the thing 5 minutes ago. What did you expect? If you had waited til tomorrow before you tried to delete it you would have found no reason to tag it at all in the first place. I guess I have some work to do. <_< Abyssal leviathin 00:53, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

If you need more time for an article being speedied, add {{hangon}} under the db tag. I hope you don't mind, but I added bullets down to C. Remember to also add [[wikilinks]] -Domthedude001 00:59, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Oh wow! Nice context! Now, it doesn't meet criteria for speedy deletion. -Domthedude001 01:02, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

I guess you win

Its not a problem. I've been working on metriorhynchids for two years now, so hopefully I should know which species lived when!

You may be thinking of Geosaurus araucanensis. I doubled checked the literature, and although Geosaurus is known from the Neuquen Basin in the Late Tithonian-Early Berrisian, whether or not it actually is G. araucanensis is another matter (which is currently being sorting out). But the holotype, and all topotypic material is Early Tithonian. Geosaurus gracilis and G. suevicus are known from the Weisser Jura of Baden-Wuttemberg and Bavaria, which for the limestones they are found in, is definately earliest Tithonian. So no Kimmeridgian species there. Dakosaurus andiniensis is most certainly not in the Kimmeridgian, although D. maximus is, but I neglected to put that in on the first edit, oops! However, I'm positive Geosaurus was around during the Kimmeridgian, its just a lack of actual fossils to prove it! Mark t young (talk) 23:08, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Barremian

Most of these changes were acutally what I was actually pondering myself. I'll incorporate them over the next days; right now I'm playing around a bit to try out different formatting. I did not add the Annuloceras image as the article claims it's Lower Aptian, and this needs to be sorted out first. Dysmorodrepanis 11:39, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

I tried out some new formatting at Santonian. Eventually, I think, all stage articles should mainly consist of a geoscience write-up (mainly climate, sea level, paleomagnetism etc) and have the taxa separate as in Maastrichtian. This will make it easier with the sections. Dysmorodrepanis 16:39, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Mapping advice

For software, if you're modifying existing maps (that is if there's existing basemaps in commons you can use) then you just need a graphics program. I use Photoshop, but that's definitely not free. I know a lot of folks swear by GIMP which is probably the best free raster graphics program out there. If you're going to be making SVG files rather than raster graphics you need Inkscape. If you need to make a map from scratch you need some GIS software which definitely has more of a learning curve, I haven't used any of the free ones so I'm not sure which to recommend. If you go this route I can help you find data sources. Anything you use is going to use big files, that's pretty much inherent in mapping. Files types: raster use PNG, vector use SVG. For online map generators you may take a look at OMC for generating basemaps, you'd still need a graphics program to modify them (and change their awful default colors). For fonts I usually just use Arial, and the various Windows symbol fonts have a lot of common mapping symbols. If you're looking for something specific in terms of symbols let me know and I might be able to help. Kmusser (talk) 20:36, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Word up!

Word up dude, you've been reviewed! ;) Cheers, Spawn Man ^{Review Me!} 07:58, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

Deletion of the Oyster category

Hi Abyssal leviathin, It seems I was over-enthusiastic, so I have reverted the change, with apologies. I thought the category was anomalous, as there are many other similar groups that could have similar categories. Only thing now is I am not sure what should be in the category. If you could give me a pointer I can do the legwork for this. Cheers GrahamBould (talk) 09:11, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Lystrosaurus

Lystrosaurus is a genus non-mammalian synapsid. The term 'mammal-like reptile' is is not entirely appropriate as under recent phylogenetic systematics Reptilia is restricted to the MRCA of the various extant forms considered reptiles. Which obviously excludes the mammalian (synapsid) line, and even workers who don't like PN wouldn't refer to Lystro as a reptile sensu stricto. Mark t young (talk) 01:50, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, PN is short for phylogenetic nomenclature (e.g. PhyloCode). Good question about how to categorise them. Animals isn't really very good, and neither mammal nor reptile is entirely appropriate. I suppose synapsid is a bit too technical? I'm loathed to use 'mammal-like reptile', but at least the average layman 'knows' what you mean by that. Mark t young (talk) 02:23, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Stubs

You realize {{trilobite-stub}} doesn't exist, right? I replaced two stub temps with {{dinosaur-stub}}. Maybe you can use that instead, or maybe you have another idea for a stub? --Kannie | talk 18:40, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

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List of prehistoric sponges has Zoarces eelpout fish image??

Hi. List of prehistoric sponges has an image (repeated several times) of a Zoarces eelpout fish, apparently added to the article by you at 03:02 on 16 December 2007. What may I ask is up with that?? -- Writtenonsand (talk) 19:37, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

You wrote "Sorry, I was using that picture as a place-holder in the code. I could hide it as a comment if you want." -- I should think that we shouldn't include anything irrelevant or "wrong" in publicly-accessable Wikipedia articles, even when intended as reasonably temporary. If nothing else, I think it's quite possible that somebody might call it vandalism. *I* certainly found it confusing! :-) -- Writtenonsand (talk) 19:58, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

List of prehistoric annelids, List of prehistoric foraminiferans, List of prehistoric gastropods, List of prehistoric echinoderms all are, or were, punctuated with numerous eelpout images

Hi Abyssal, How are you? Happy New Year. My question and comment is the same as Writtenonsand's comment for the list of prehistoric sponges. I also feel that is not a good idea to place irrelevant images in articles, even as supposed "temporary" place holders. (The annelid eelpout images had already been there for a month, which is not very temporary.) As Writtenonsand said, this kind of thing is very confusing, and it has an unfortunate superficial resemblance to vandalism, which is what I thought it was. I spent a fair bit of time last night and this morning taking these images out of the gastropod and the annelid articles. If you are working on an article and it is not yet in fit state to be posted, it can be put together on one of your user pages, and then posted once it is in decent shape. Or, if you need to have a place holder on an already posted page, it could perhaps be a row of dots or something similar which is less eye-catching and has no actual meaningful content. And you could try to make sure that it really is temporary, in other words make it disappear the next day or so.

Also I wanted to say that the "prehistoric" gastropod list already contains many genera which are still extant. I am going to have to go through and take the daggers off of all the ones that I recognize, but there will be many more that I don't recognize, so that is a problem too.

Plus to be honest, the functionality of the article is a bit questionable: a list of all gastropod genera living and fossil would be so huge as to be unwieldy, the gastropods being the largest class of invertebrates other than the insects. Invertzoo (talk) 16:51, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for taking care of the place holder images, I do feel bad about the burden I've been, in that regard. Thanks also for removing all the daggers you could as well. That is a big big help for that kind of article. I would have done it myself but I know very little about gastropods, so that kind of thing is not very practical for me. As for functionality, it's not supposed to be for all gastropods, just ones that are known to be prehistoric. I know it's a big list as it is, but since it's a direct port of Jack Sepkoski's 2002 list of fossils, so it should be reasonably close to completion anyway. Even if it's not, a big list is just as useful as a small one, in my opinion, even if it is "unwieldy," as you put it. :) Thanks for the New Years greetings. I hope your having a pleasant one yourself.

Abyssal leviathin (talk) 17:07, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

I am still working on removing at least some of the unnecessary daggers, which is a slow and painstaking process. We all try to help one another with this stuff. If you ever need someone to check any gastropod stuff for you, please just ask on the talk page at WikiProject Gastropods. I did want to explain that when you said: "it's not supposed to be for all gastropods, just ones that are known to be prehistoric", the problem is, that almost every gastropod genus which is found living now, also lived in the late Pleistocene and has been found in the fossil record, (apart from those which do not leave any fossil record at all of course.) The late Pleistocene fauna was almost identical to the current fauna, and that means that the list becomes by default every gastropod genus, or at any rate every shelled gastropod genus. It's not like ammonites or dinosaurs, which are legitimately "prehistoric". Best to you, Invertzoo (talk) 18:37, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Hi me again. Remember I used the word "unwieldy" about the size of the prehistoric gastropod list? Well I see it does already have a "This page is 94 kilobytes long. It may be appropriate to split this article into smaller, more specific articles. See Wikipedia:Article size" tag. And unless it is split up in some way, it is only going to get bigger still and slower to load. Invertzoo (talk) 19:00, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Hey, me once again. I am slowly going though your gastropod list. Though there are not all that many blue links as a proportion of the whole, still, such blue links as do exist, well, a large number of them are actually links to pages about Ancient Greek heroes after which the genera are often named. One even links to an article on a rock band which has the same name as one of the genera, and so on. The blue links are no use at all in that state, they would be frustrating and annoying to users of Wikipedia. It is always a good idea to check blue links and see if they link up to what you imagine they might, or to something else altogether. And if they link to the wrong thing it is a good idea to take the time to fix the situation, one by one.Invertzoo (talk) 23:50, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

List of prehistoric sponges: Eurypterids??

"The list includes all commonly accepted genera... (including) genera that are no longer considered eurypterids." -- Is that right? If it is, you may want to include some sort of context so people will understand what we're talking about here. (Link in case it's useful: Eurypterid.) -- Writtenonsand (talk) 19:41, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Detailed lists: Apparently you like more than others do.

Hi again!  :-) I don't mean this as rude in any way, but you apparently like detailed lists of things more than most people do. I see List of trilobites and List of prehistoric sponges which are currently 90%+ redlinks, along with the recent proposals at WikiProject Dinosaurs for detailed breakdowns of dinosaurs by country and epoch. I think that most people don't strongly feel a desire for such lists, and indeed dislike lists which consist mostly of redlinks. (Yes, I understand that the theory is to go through later and create articles and redirects for the redlinks.) -- Writtenonsand (talk) 19:50, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

You wrote: "If people dislike redlinks so much, maybe they should make articles and turn them blue." -- I'm inclined to agree. But as you know, there are only so many hours in the day, and many calls on our time. Have a good one. :-) -- Writtenonsand (talk) 20:00, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Nomination of List of fossiliferous stratigraphic units in South Ossetia for deletion

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Nomination of List of fossiliferous stratigraphic units in Transnistria for deletion

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Speedy deletion nomination of List of taxa described from Minnesota

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Speedy deletion nomination of List of taxa described from Oregon

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Discussion at List of Taxa described from Wisconsin

You are invited to join the discussion at List of Taxa described from Wisconsin. Can you help me out? I'm a little confused.... The caption under the picture lists a different species name than what's listed under the taxon column. Does this need fixing? Dolotta (talk) 18:01, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

WikiProject Genealogy - newsletter No.1

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Graphical timeline of pterosaurs

This timeline appears to be broken; all the names are squashed on the very right of the graph. I've looked at it in Firefox, Chrome and Edge browsers. There's an old talk page comment about it, so it doesn't appear to have been caused by some software change since its creation. Anything you can do to fix it? The page is not really suitable for mainspace as is.-gadfium 05:54, 16 February 2017 (UTC)

WikiProject Genealogy - newsletter No.2

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Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Silurian stratigraphic units of North America

A tag has been placed on Category:Silurian stratigraphic units of North America requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section C1 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the category has been empty for seven days or more and it is not presently under discussion at Categories for discussion, or at disambiguation categories.

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Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Permian stratigraphic units of North America

A tag has been placed on Category:Permian stratigraphic units of North America requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section C1 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the category has been empty for seven days or more and it is not presently under discussion at Categories for discussion, or at disambiguation categories.

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Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Wuchiapingian synapsids of Africa

A tag has been placed on Category:Wuchiapingian synapsids of Africa requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section C1 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the category has been empty for seven days or more and it is not presently under discussion at Categories for discussion, or at disambiguation categories.

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Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Devonian stratigraphic units of North America

A tag has been placed on Category:Devonian stratigraphic units of North America requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section C1 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the category has been empty for seven days or more and it is not presently under discussion at Categories for discussion, or at disambiguation categories.

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Category:Heavily tattooed people has been nominated for discussion

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Question about dinosaur-bearing rock formations

Hey, I noticed you seem to be the go-to guy for these (incredible work, by the way), so I thought I'd check something by you. Do these articles purposely exclude non-dinosaur fossils (like insects and similar), or is it a case of "haven't gotten to it yet but they do belong there"? The reason I ask is, I'm trying to de-orphan Blapsium, which is apparently some kind of extinct beetle genus, but I can't find anyplace to link to it. Some of my sources say that it was found in the Stonesfield Slate, so I was thinking of linking it there, but I don't want to be a bull in a china shop if there's a reason insect fossils aren't listed. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 15:33, 27 April 2017 (UTC)

Awesome, thank you! :) ♠PMC♠ (talk) 15:42, 27 April 2017 (UTC)

St. Peter Sandstone

Please check your edits. The St. Peter Sandstone is not in West Virginia. Vsmith (talk) 01:50, 19 May 2017 (UTC)

Also - when you rename a page, please follow through with a bit of cleanup ... Bass Islands Formation and others. Vsmith (talk) 02:26, 19 May 2017 (UTC)

Nomination of Scylacorhinus for deletion

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Crusafontia categories

I noticed you removed Category:Cretaceous mammals and added Category:Early Cretaceous mammals of Asia using HotCat when the article itself does not mention where it lives (it lived in Spain only according to the Paleobiology Database) in future can you check with the references before changing any categories. Lavalizard101 (talk) 17:53, 25 June 2017 (UTC)

Bembridge Beds

Hello, since you're the resident fossil expert around here I was wondering if you're at all familiar with the Bembridge Beds? Should it be standalone? Merged? Is there anyplace I can link to it? It's ported straight out of the 1911 Brittanica so it's dated as all hell. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 01:16, 9 July 2017 (UTC)

It should be merged into the Bouldnor Formation article, which covers the Bembridge marls as a unit of the formation.--Kevmin § 02:47, 9 July 2017 (UTC)

Thank you, I'll try to get to that in the next couple days :) ♠PMC♠ (talk) 03:13, 9 July 2017 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Paleozoic nautiloids

A tag has been placed on Category:Paleozoic nautiloids requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section C1 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the category has been empty for seven days or more and is not a disambiguation category, a category redirect, a featured topics category, under discussion at Categories for discussion, or a project category that by its nature may become empty on occasion.

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Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Sinemurian genus first appearances

A tag has been placed on Category:Sinemurian genus first appearances requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section C1 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the category has been empty for seven days or more and is not a disambiguation category, a category redirect, a featured topics category, under discussion at Categories for discussion, or a project category that by its nature may become empty on occasion.

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Two questions: (i) why create Category:Sinemurian genus first appearances when we already have Category:Sinemurian first appearances? (ii) why have you put the category inside itself? --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 17:44, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

@Redrose64: To prevent the first appearances of small taxa like genera and species from drowning out the bigger taxa like families and orders. (Any given geologic age has enough genera and species to create such categories even if they're not populated yet). Abyssal (talk) 17:55, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

And question (ii)? --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 18:09, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

@Redrose64:Just an error while trying to put it in the category it really belongs in. It's fixed. Abyssal (talk) 18:41, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

Thank you --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 20:49, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

Taxonomy categories

I just wanted to let you know no hard feelings after I reverted quite a few of your additions of multiple geological periods to categories, especially since I see what you were trying to do. Others suggested going the Wikidata route, which I'm not too familiar with. I'm not sure how or if it would work with categories, but there should be some way to produce a query of what taxonomic groups were present in a given age as long as the first appearance and last known documentation/extant are listed somewhere. It at least sounds like it should be possible without having to manually add each time period manually. Kingofaces43 (talk) 17:34, 29 July 2017 (UTC)

"List of the prehistoric life of [US State]" articles

These articles you're creating all mention Alabama instead of the appropriate state in the lede, and additionally have a series of identical placeholder images along the right instead of relevant images. Just a heads up. CJK09 (talk) 03:25, 27 August 2017 (UTC)

@CJK09: Yes. Abyssal (talk) 11:17, 27 August 2017 (UTC)

So now you have two editors telling you not add the placeholder images. Also, you have literally DOZENS of dab issues in EACH of the articles. Please try to not make work for other editors. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 01:55, 28 August 2017 (UTC)

@Onel5969: "Please try to not make work for other editors." You don't see the irony in actively removing essential effort saving aids from the article that hinder's my ability to actually complete them then coming to post this on my talk page? Abyssal (talk) 02:12, 28 August 2017 (UTC)

No, there's no extra effort you need to exert to add valid pix to those articles. When you have the valid pic, simply add it. It's not that difficult. In the meantime you add irrelevant material to an encyclopedia article. In addition to the dab issue, as well as the inaccurate leads in quite a few of the list articles you've created. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 02:18, 28 August 2017 (UTC)

@Onel5969: Every single one of the 50 articles in this series requires me to evaluate many dozens of images to balance the often conflicting needs for the highest quality images with the need to depict the most regionally distinctive animals against the significant limitations imposed by space. Having a series of pre-written images reduces this workload substantially by making image additions an easy cut and paste exercise. This article series requires a huge amount of effort on its own and I object to your continued disruption of my ability to complete it. Abyssal (talk) 02:32, 28 August 2017 (UTC)

Abyssal, I agree with the other two editors commenting here. It is not appropriate to use uninformative, non-encyclopedic "placeholder" images in live list articles in main space. Instead, you should develop this content in draft or sandbox space, and move it to the encyclopedia only when it is accurate and informative. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 07:04, 28 August 2017 (UTC)

I went ahead and moved all of the pages with three or more disambiguation links to draft space, so you can work on them without being bothered by disambiguators and the like. Please make sure that all disambiguation links are fixed before restoring the pages to mainspace. Cheers! bd2412 T 14:37, 1 September 2017 (UTC)

I have moved ten more of these pages to draft space, due to excessive disambiguation links. Feel free to move them back to article space once all disambiguation links are fixed and you can offer reasonable assurances that more disambiguation links will not be added to the articles. bd2412 T 02:00, 16 September 2017 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of List of the prehistoric life of Delaware

The article List of the prehistoric life of Delaware has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

This list serves no encyclopedic purpose that could not fulfilled by a link to fossilworks.org.
If at such time as a new fossil is discovered in this state, the page will have to be updated by hand.
The data in a WP list or table is not a common data-input format; the user would have to work hard to convert it, or go somewhere else anyway.
In short, this is WP:listcruft.

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Graphical timeline

I have noticed you used badly made horizontal timeline in Paleontology in Japan page. I re-wrote page using the standard timeline template and would like to ask you to use the same template for your future timelines. --Trurle (talk) 08:17, 10 October 2017 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Paleontology in Kenya

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Speedy deletion nomination of Fossils of Oklahoma

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What is happening?

I saw on my Watchlist this, among other examples: "Chonetes‎; 00:18 . . (-32)‎ . . ‎Cydebot (talk | contribs)‎ (Robot - Removing category Fossils of Wyoming per CFD at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2017 August 0.)", tried to find the related "CfD discussion" but to no avail, what is happening? I think your categories are important; the US states being as large as many countries and it's important to categorize articles according to their geographical area... I am working on the South American paleontology in the meantime, you may have seen it, but this is a drawback and especially the fact that link leads to nothing, so I wonder how that has been decided and why there was no post put up on the Paleontology WikiProject or anything? Good night, Tisquesusa (talk) 01:02, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

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Your help desk question

I'm way behind on the archives but you didn't get a response to your question about a navbox template. I don't know how any of this works but WP:VPT may be the place to ask.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 18:44, 27 November 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 21:42, 27 November 2017 (UTC)

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Page move

I've moved your sandbox "Aguja Formation/fish sandbox" to User:Abyssal/Aguja Formation/fish sandbox where you can continue to work.--Auric talk 00:58, 30 December 2017 (UTC)

WikiProject Genealogy - newsletter No.5 -2017

Newsletter Nr 5, 2017-12-30, for WikiProject Genealogy (and Wikimedia genealogy project on Meta) Participation: This is the fifth newsletter sent by mass mail to members in Wikipedia:WikiProject Genealogy, to everyone who voted a support for establishing a potential Wikimedia genealogy project on meta, and anyone who during the years showed an interest in genealogy on talk pages and likewise. (To discontinue receiving Project Genealogy newsletters, please see below) A demo wiki is up and running! Dear members of WikiProject Genealogy, this will be the last newsletter for 2017, but maybe the most important one! You can already now try out the demo for a genealogy wiki at https://tools.wmflabs.org/genealogy/wiki/Main_Page and try out the functions. You will find parts of the 18th Pharao dynasty and other records submitted by the 7 first users, and it would be great if you would add some records. And with those great news we want to wish you a creative New Year 2018! Don't want newsletters? If you wish to opt-out of future mailings, please remove yourself from the mailing list or alternatively to opt-out of all massmessage mailings, you may add Category:Opted-out of message delivery to your user talk page. Cheers from your WikiProject Genealogy coordinator Dan Koehl. To discontinue receiving Project Genealogy newsletters, please remove your name from our mailing list. Newsletter delivered by MediaWiki message delivery

Columnar navbox

I figured out how to do columnar navboxes, see User:Hike395/sandbox. After we figure out the color issue, I'll bring these up as another alternative. —hike395 (talk) 06:40, 3 January 2018 (UTC)