User talk:(aeropagitica)/Archive 17

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User talk:Cogito ergo sumo

Thanks. The same goes for User talk:Cogito ergo sumo as well. What do we suggest to do, so that the constant cycle of some admin deleting the page due to the deleterequest and then having to restore the page can ge broken. I have tried the {{hangon}} template, but it got reverted by Cogito ergo sumo (talk · contribs). Agathoclea 07:44, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Now restored as well. (aeropagitica) 07:47, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Good, but I only see 1 revision. Agathoclea 07:54, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

I left the last revision that I looked at ticked by mistake. History now restored, apologies. (aeropagitica) 07:58, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

The same seemed to happen at User talk:E Pluribus Anthony. sorry to be a pain. Agathoclea 08:02, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Re: Image deletion request

Can you delete the 1st revision of [[:Image:SunStar.svg]] for me, it was a bad upload... Thanks, SunStar Net 07:56, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

There is no link to the image in your message! Why not apply a speedy delete tag instead? It can then join the queue and be deleted with the others. Give me the link and I will do it now. (aeropagitica) 08:02, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

http://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Image:SunStar.svg is the link, delete the version uploaded at 07:50, thanks! --SunStar Net 08:04, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Now done. (aeropagitica) 08:07, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Rollback

Please do not use rollback for any other purpose than reverting vandalism; you reverted [1] a post where I was saying that you used a template incorrectly and asking you to comment on my talk page. That's not vandalism by any stretch of imagination. Tizio, Caio, Sempronio 13:48, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

A further investigation shows this edit followed by this rollback. An administrator is not suppposed to behave this way. I sometimes do mistakes too, and I receive complaints on my talk page, but I never used rollback on them. Tizio, Caio, Sempronio 13:53, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Apologies, it must have been at the end of a long admin session. I was not aware of the content of your communication. As to the templates, the only one of which I am aware was the speedy application, placed on the deleted redirect page by another user. I deleted quite a few nonsensical redirect pages yesterday and the one to which your name was appended in the history appeared to be identical to the others. You can disregard any warnings given out. Regards, (aeropagitica) 15:31, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Your RfA question

I think your question about citing policy in XfD is rather challenging. I might have a difficult time answering that one. I think in XfD it is a good idea to state other reasons for a deletion/keep other than citing the alphabet soup of policy, unless it is an unambiguous delete/keep/merge. —Malber (talk · contribs) 15:50, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Yes, it is supposed to challenge the candidate - as are yours regarding WP:IAR, WP:SNOW and punitive blocking, yes? You can interpret my question in several ways - offer a literal list of XfD discussions where you have cited policies in your opinion; discuss the alternative deletion methods such as WP:PROD and speedy deletions and perhaps methods of rescuing articles from such conditions; offer an explanation as to why your role as an admin wouldn't take you near XfD discussions; ignore the question, etc. I would prefer to cast a favourable vote for an admin that understands the policies that guide the creation, maintenance and deletion of articles. The question is an opportunity for the candidate to explain their understanding of Wikipedia. Their understanding is one of the props upon which my opinion of their future proficiency as an admin will rest. Regards, (aeropagitica) 16:16, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

The Beerhill Beerhawks

Why did you delete the Beerhill Beerhawks? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.124.164.6 (talk • contribs)

Firstly, sign your comments using four tildes, ~~~~; this makes it easier to respond to other editors. Secondly, an accurate link to the deleted article is also useful in order to understand your comments. Thirdly, your article was deleted because it referred to a non-notable group as per the criteria set out in WP:BIO. (aeropagitica) 08:45, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

User:ClockworkTroll

Please don't remove the redirect from this page, and/or block it. It was my previous name before I was made an administrator. Thanks. – Clockwork Soul 05:45, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Apologies, I came across this username in the course of vandalfighting. I didn't mean any disrespect! (aeropagitica) 08:36, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

No harm done. :) – Clockwork Soul 16:36, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Re:RfA

Thanks for your comments! I'll be sure to back up my opinions with policy more often. - Mike | Trick or Treat 21:26, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

I those couple where I changed my votes, I know that I should have explained them. The 2090s one was changed because I was unaware of the existance of the parent article. Same thing goes for Don't Mess With Football. This is why I generally stick to AfDs on subjects I know. - Mike | Trick or Treat 21:29, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

AfDs are usually equivocal matters. In a reference work such as WP, equivocation usually concerns notability and the deletion/retention of articles is decided upon with relation to such project pages. If you know your policies and guidelines then the whole of AfD is potentially open to you! I don't participate in discussions of subjects that are too obscure for me, either, but when I do then I like to tell other contributors the reasons for my opinion. If they have an issue with that then it is with the policy and not usually with me! (aeropagitica) 21:34, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

I'll certainly give another read to the deletion guidelines the next time I get the chance. Thanks for your help! - Mike | Trick or Treat 21:38, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Universidad Autónoma Benito Juárez de Oaxaca

Hi. This article was tagged with the {{db-nonsense}} tag under suspicious circumstances. It previously had been tagged with the {{notenglish}}. The tag was changed by user 141.84.69.20. The high rate of edits coming from the IP address made it seem almost Bot-like. The edits stopped as soon as I posted a message on the (talk page).

I was actually reverting the article when you deleted it. I have no special attachment to it. If it is deserving of deletion then OK. I just wanted to make you aware of the situation. --KeithB 21:35, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

I will restore the article for possible translation. Thanks for making the circumstances clear. (aeropagitica) 21:37, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Number of page views for a specific page

Hi. I was wondering if it was possible to know the page views for a specific page? I searched Wikipedia...with no luck...thanks. --Xtcrider 22:30, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

No, I don't know of any way to measure the number of visitors to articles. Perhaps someone on the Help desk can answer your question? (aeropagitica) 22:35, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the quick response! --Xtcrider 22:38, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Ann o. baskins

It's minor, but Ricksy sneaked through a bypass of a RFD keep decision when you deleted this. It was originally nominated on RFD and I closed it as a keep[2] in accordance with RFD's standard practice of keeping misscapitalization redirects since there was objection to the deletion. Ricksy then proceded to try to use both speedy and PROD to delete it. After notifying him that we usually keep these, he moved Ann o. baskins to 'Ann O. Baskins' (notice the quotes) and then marked the original as db-author. I've deleted 'Ann O. Baskins' as an unlikely typo as it's not worth cleaning this up. I also left Ricksy a note[3] stating this was not a proper thing to do and he should have used DRV instead if he objected to the closure. I think this was a case of someone being unaware of procedures vs. actively gaming the system, but I thought I'd let you know. -- JLaTondre 13:20, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Sir

My reasons for requesting a delete of Buddhadharma and other Indian Dharmas is based upon the foloowing reasons :-

Please see here and you'll come across the contributions of a user on an unsigned IP, someone who has a pattern of vitriolic Anti-Brahmanism in Buddhism related articles. In my personal opinion, he feels that Hinduism is trying to claim Buddhists as Hindus and is trying very hard to distance his religion from Hinduism. In the process he is using offending tone for Hindus and resorting to unverified claims about the origins of Buddhism and Hinduism.

In addition:-

The article contains contains serious NPOV and original research issues.
An alternative is provided in Buddhism and Hinduism and Dharmic religions.

Thank you for taking intrest in this. Best Regards. Freedom skies 15:26, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Esperanza Admin coaching - October 29 - Pending

You are receiving this message because you are currently listed as a coach in the 'Pending' section of the coaching box.

If the coaching has started and is ongoing please move the entry to the 'active' section of the box'.
If the coaching has finished/never going to start please add your trainee to the archived requests section of the archive, and remove the entry from the coaching box.
You can fill in information about your former students, at the main archive.
If the coaching is ongoing please continue :) This might serve as a useful reminder to check with your trainee if they have any new questions!
If you are ready to be assigned a new trainee, or have any other questions, please let me know on my talk page.

Thank you for helping with admin coaching! H ig hway ^{Grammar Enforcer!} 22:49, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Help

User A Man In Black and 65.29.167.251 are meging the Pokemon episode pages after their was no consensus to merge or delete the pages (Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Here Comes the Squirtle Squad) May you please help me! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lovehinaqueen (talk • contribs)

Your request has been posted to WP:ANB for review and actioning. (aeropagitica) 18:54, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

input appreciated

Hi (aeropagitica), Could you weigh in on the discussion here? Thanks, Banyan Tree 23:30, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Ion pump (physics)

What information do you have about the copyright violation at Ion pump (physics)?--JWSchmidt 02:45, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

I have now restored the article and double-checked the contents. I believe that the IP editor 155.106.253.250 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log) placed a copyvio warning on the page maliciously. Apologies for the inconvenience. (aeropagitica) 07:29, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

thanks

Thanks for blocking Jackwan123, and sorry I didnt realize that I had done 3 reverts myself by accident getting rid of his stuff. --Gregorof/(T) 10:01, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Reverting vandalism doesn't count as breaking the three-revert rule (section 3), so you haven't become a vandal through vandalfighting! (aeropagitica) 10:38, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Thank you...

...for your show of support on my recent RfA. If I wasn't for the fact that I am on the wrong side of the pond, I'd buy you a pint of Abbot Ale (or at least make you a proper cuppa) to show my gratitude. One point of contention with your user boxes, however: God taught me how to bend spoons (j/k, of course). Seriously, though, thanks and cheers. youngamerican (ahoy hoy) 13:43, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Re: Dawn of the Dude

Does that band meet this criteria: Has been featured in multiple non-trivial published works in reliable and reputable media (excludes things like school newspapers (although university newspapers are usually fine), personal blogs, etc.)
By these two newspaper articles about them:

Mountain Express: [[4]]
Asheville Citizen-Times: [[5]]

I can cite several other articles from those two newspapers if needed. Also, a note: They released release the awesome on their own record label, Rage Records

And this part: Has become the most prominent representative of a notable style or the local scene of a city (or both, as in British hip hop); note that the subject must still meet all ordinary Wikipedia standards, including verifiability.
I would say Dawn of the Dude is representative of the young music scene around Asheville, NC. When I went to school there last year, Dawn of the Dude had the concerts everyone talked about.

Thank You, Bob Adams —Preceding unsigned comment added by Beinghappysucks (talk • contribs)

Firstly, sign your comments on Talk pages with four tildes, ~~~~, this makes it easier to respond to comments. Secondly, the band is unsigned and the article was deleted for the following criteria on WP:Music:

Has had a record certified gold or higher in at least one large or medium-sized country.
Has gone on an international concert tour, or a national concert tour in at least one large or medium-sized country,[1] reported in notable and verifiable sources.[2]
Has released two or more albums on a major label or one of the more important indie labels (i.e. an independent label with a history of more than a few years and a roster of performers, many of which are notable).

Regards, (aeropagitica) 20:44, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

chess

Hi, I tried to fix the vandalism on the chess template, but I don't think I was successful. I'm still a bit new at this...Jcbutler 08:48, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Hello! The best thing that you can do if you want to understand and counter vandalism is read Wikipedia:Vandalism. This should give you enough background information - please ask if you need any more assistance. Regards, (aeropagitica) 13:41, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Thankyou for your reminder

Regarding your note on my talk page, thank you for reminding me to sign. I sometimes forget when using a template - I must remember to do so. Thanks again for your diligence in following this through with me. DanielBC 23:18, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Norton

Good lord. Percy "Nobby" Norton is a real article with genuine, verifiable, reliable sources. I am stunned. DS 14:11, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

The history of the page shows that this was deleted and protected by Durin. Remind me again please of why you have left this message for me? (aeropagitica) 19:51, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

November Esperanza Newsletter

For your reading pleasure, the newest Esperanza newsletter (November '06 edition) can be found at Wikipedia:Esperanza/Newsletter. —Natalya, Banes, Celestianpower, EWS23, FireFox, The Halo, Shreshth91 and HighwayCello, 20:33, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Ralph Farris deletion

I am not really sure why you deleted my entry. There was no offensive or incorrect information and I was following the example of another entry to get started. Rather than taking it down, why didn't you help me figure out what was lacking to make it a proper entry AND give me tme to make the corrections!!! Rude RUDE RUDE!!!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cebo22 (talk • contribs)

Hello! Please be aware of the standards for civility here on Wikipedia when leaving comments on editors' Talk pages. Secondly, please sign your comments with four tildes, ~~~~, as this makes it much easier to respond to you. Thirdly, the guidelines for biographies are held at WP:BIO, referenced in my original comment. If you require assistance in constructing a biography of someone who meets the criteria set down, please look at Wikipedia:Your first article and Wikipedia:Article development for assistance. (aeropagitica) 13:48, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

non-notable (moody noobs)

According to the notability guidelines, a perfectly reasonable band that is not very well known, has never toured, and has not received any airtime could be considered non-notable, and be refused an article here. That seems wrong to me.

And given that the word "hi" has an article, I think it rather incredulous that an internet forum band would be deleted. In case you haven't decided to check, here are some lyrics I have written for the Moody Noobs (deleted recently), and the accompanying music: <redacted>

Inpraiseoffolly 22:39, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

wp:rfa

Don't un-end it. I'll delete it myself. After reading it, I realize I do need more time. D•a•r•k•n•e•s•s•L•o•r•d•i•a•n•••C••• 22:43, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Whoops, I didn't mean to say "delete". :P. I'm doing it as we speak. D•a•r•k•n•e•s•s•L•o•r•d•i•a•n•••C••• 22:47, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks!

Thanks for your help blocking the link spammer in Luck (and several other articles). -- weirdoactor ^t^|^c -- 22:45, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

No problem! Just doing my duty. Regards, (aeropagitica) 22:46, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Go Sailor is a notable band.

I'd apologize for putting up an article for this band, however I am not sorry. However, I do believe you had good intentions, there are many bands who just put their articles here and then they break up the next day.

Let's see, I am not in Go Sailor, I do not know anyone in Go Sailor. They broke up 10 years ago. i did however hear one of their songs on the radio and I thought it was very good, so i looked it up on the wikipedia, but there was no article. Fortunately there were 100's of thousands of articles on google. I went to answers.com, and there was the article. I found it strange that answers.com claimed wikipedia had an article about Go Sailor, when in actuality it does not. So I copied the article from answers.com and pasted it here. I was not aware it was recently sppeedy deleted. therefore it is notable enough for someone to rewrite an article about it after they broke up.

And Go Sailor meets three of the notability criteria as listed in the wikipedia notable musician policy.

Has released two or more albums on a major label or one of the more important indie labels (i.e. an independent label with a history of more than a few years and a roster of performers, many of which are notable). True, released albums on Lookput Records

Has been featured in multiple non-trivial published works in reliable and reputable media (excludes things like school newspapers (although university newspapers are usually fine), personal blogs, etc.) True I count 4 reputable sources within the first page of results on google.

Contains at least one member who was once a part of or later joined a band that is otherwise notable; note that it is often most appropriate to use redirects in place of articles on side projects, early bands and such. true Rose Melberg.

Therefvore I am going to put this back up again.

Thank you, however for doing your best to make the wikipedia a better place for information, I know that they are not known by everyone and you were just trying to eliminate real no notable bands, and you may have been thrown off by my user name, which i created last night, becuase i forgot my password to my typical username so i created a new one.

PS these criteria are a little harsh wouldn't you agree?

Well at least go sailor falls into them. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gosailorboy (talk • contribs)

Firstly, sign your comments with four tildes, ~~~~, as this makes it easier to respond to editors. Secondly, if you think that a deleted article should be restored, take your business case to Wikipedia:Deletion review instead of reposting it. Thirdly, I don't agree that the criteria are too harsh as I am the admin who applied them. (aeropagitica) 23:08, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Oh yeah i Forgot about the four tilde thing, i'll do it next time. Which would be now. And i still disagree with the criteria being too harsh. But thanks for telling me what to do becuase i've never restored a deleted article before, with the exception of right now, but that was by accident.

So i am going to go to this "deletion review" now and then everyone will know about Go sailor who looks it up. Thanks for the pointers.

Gosailorboy 23:15, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

i am confused about this deletion review Gosailorboy 23:19, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Read the white boxout at Wikipedia:Deletion_review#Decisions_to_be_reviewed and follow the instructions inside. You might want to give a concise version of the above as your business case. Look at the other discussions on the page for guidance. Goodnight! (aeropagitica) 23:27, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

64.235.107.101

I am lifting your block on 64.235.107.101 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log) and reinstituting a shorter block (I haven't decided yet how long the block's going to be). It's a shared IP, and I don't see any reason to block it indefinitely. If there is a reason to, please let me know. Thanks. --Nlu (talk) 16:06, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

It was a soft block for a vandal-only editor. Editors using the IP address can still log in and contribute. (aeropagitica) 16:08, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

RfA thanks

90px|left

Thank you for participating in my RfA discussion! I appreciate you contributing your voice to the debate and its outcome. I hope how I wield the mop makes you proud. Thanks!

— Saxifrage

Chris Lear

He has 53 reviews on Amazon.com as well as one from Library Journal while Running with the Buffaloes merited inclusion as an article, which focusses on an athlete now very much in the "world-class" bracket after impressive finishes in the most recent World Cross-Country CHampionships, as well as in the Sydney Olympics. I was interested in reading an article on Lear having read his books, and when I found no article, I felt validated in making one by virtue of the fact that I came to read about him. Why does this article require deletion? I will of course respect your opinion on the matter as I am very much a wikipedia novice with this article being my first contribution. —Preceding unsigned comment added by EDignan89 (talk • contribs)

Firstly, please sign your Talk page comments with four tildes, ~~~~, as this greatly assists in an editors' ability to respond. Secondly, the article did not assert any instance of notability as per WP:BIO, as I stated earlier. If you read through the guidelines and decide that this person is notable, try developing the article in a user sub-page, making each notable point clear and providing reliable sources and references. (aeropagitica) 21:21, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks

For the ban and the revert on my talk page. It's amazing - twice in one day on my user page and the first time on my talk page. Surprised it's taken them that long, but I am probably in for more, no doubt. Oh well. :) Bubba hot ep 21:27, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

When you start fighting vandals this is what you have to expect. Well done for sticking your head above the parapets and welcome to the club! Regards, (aeropagitica) 21:29, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

The Roaring Twenties (band)

You placed a warning on my entry for The Roaring Twenties (band) saying it may not be notable. I have outlined on the article's talk page why I feel it deserves to be on Wikipedia, I hope I have clearly contextualised it for you and you can revoke this call for speedy deletion. Acvincent 21:34, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

The first four reasons on WP:Music are why I don't think that this band is notable. If you can satisfy the criteria then this should be clearly stated in the article in order for the tag to be removed. If it cannot be clearly stated then the article will be deleted presently. (aeropagitica) 21:38, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

The WP:Music criteria for Notability are met because the band:

5. Has been featured in multiple non-trivial published works in reliable and reputable media (excludes things like school newspapers (although university newspapers are usually fine), personal blogs, etc.)

3. Has gone on an international concert tour, or a national concert tour in at least one large or medium-sized country,[1] reported in notable and verifiable sources.[2]

The list only asks that the musician meet one of the given criteria. I hope this satisfies your concern, I'm still learning how to work Wikipedia. Thanks Acvincent 21:58, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

In that case, be bold and remove the tags from the article. Another editor may replace them, so place the article on to your watchlist if it is not there already and make sure that you source and reference all of the reliable sources for the band that you can find to ensure that their notability is apparent to all. (aeropagitica) 22:05, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your comments to 75.2.250.145

I have no idea why they were targeting me, and *not* the person who actually accused them of being a sock. Before that, I was legitimately trying to hear their side of a content dispute (in Talk:Neil Patrick Harris).

Now, looking at their other edits, they are in a constant state of POV pushing and vandalism. See: Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act, Invisible Pink Unicorn, Pat Quinn (politician), John P. Daley, St. Ignatius College Prep, Tammy Duckworth, Talk:George W. Bush, and numerous others. I don't want to get involved in this, as they have already targeted me; could you look into this? Thanks! -- weirdoactor ^t^|^c -- 22:52, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

You can report your findings to WP:ANB or to WP:PAIN for investigation. I will post your comments to the noticeboards on your behalf. Regards, (aeropagitica) 23:01, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Much appreciated. I forgot to add that the user has been accused of being User:Joehazelton, a recently indefinitely blocked user. There's definitely a similar pattern to their edits and comments. -- weirdoactor ^t^|^c -- 23:13, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

75.2.250.145 now reported. (aeropagitica) 23:27, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks again. Sorry that it appears they are now targeting you. Ouch. That definitely was not my intention. -- weirdoactor ^t^|^c -- 23:36, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Please inform weirdoactor of wikipedia policy

Please inform weirdoactor of those policies, then, as well. It was him that first put out a personal attack against me, when I had said nothing to him. I then I asked him on his talk page to not personally attack me and I asked him for apology. He then further attacked me and removed my warning.

Please do not be a hypocrite. weirdoactor personally attacked me and removed warnings from his talk page.

Also all these reports against me are clearly personal attacks as I have not done any vandalism. If you have a problem with the content of one of my edits, please inform me. 75.2.250.145 23:25, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

I told the same thing to weirdoactor, to be reasonable and civil, but he refused. So why aren't you also warning him as well? Please, you don't want to be a hypocrite, do you?

View the posts he removed from his talk page that I made. They all are just me asking him for us to be civil and come to a solution. Yet he removes them and claims they are vandalism. I can then make the claim that your edits telling me the same are vandalism, and remove them from my talk page. Why not? 75.2.250.145 23:35, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

If you are going to warn me, also warn weirdoactor, he was the first to use a personal attack. Are you not capable of being fair? 75.2.250.145 23:47, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for your support!

left|none|300px|Se la face ay pale, la cause est...

23:42, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

If I'm a bit pale in the face now,
it's because of the amazing support
during my recent request for adminship
and because of all those new shiny buttons.

And if in the future
my use of them should not always be perfect
please don't hesitate to shout at me
any time, sunset, noon or sunrise.

Study Chess

Hi ! Thanks for your responce. The article Chess refers to Chess in generally and I wanted to discuss chess education —Preceding unsigned comment added by Alikfi (talk • contribs)