User:Heironymous Rowe/Talk archive Jan 2008-Feb 2010

Kincaid Mounds

Hello there, and welcome to Wikipedia. I have left a comment for you at the Kincaid Mounds State Historic Site article about your recent edits there. We're not allowed to duplicate external websites or Wikipedia articles- we need to have a Kincaid article that stands alone. I will assist with this task. I have also noticed you adding some very nice images to other Mississippian-related articles, so thanks for that. TriNotch (talk) 07:50, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Joseph Broussard

Thank you for contributing your image of Joseph Broussard. It is a wonderful contribution to Wipipedia! Well done! Hopefully, some day the article will be expanded enough to do it justice! What was your inspiration; was there a particular model? Verne Equinox (talk) 23:08, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

maps

Hello. Thank You for the colorful maps. I already posted to You at this site about the Mississippian map, but the post has disappeared, so I'll try again. Could You please re-draw the map to include a mre accurate picture of Oneota. To get a good idea, go to the Zimmermann's Oneota map www.larryjzimmerman.com/oneota/index.html.

For Your Hopewell map, please extend the Hopewell into Michigan (Goodall focus). James Fitting's book on Michigan archaeology or the newer edited book on Michigan archaeology will help. Here is a web link as well: http://www.nps.gov/history/mwac/hopewell/v4n1/one.htm . Kdammers (talk) 02:50, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

The Hopewell manifestation into Michigan is the Goodall focus. No, the link doesn't have a map, but it discusses Hopewell in Michigan and has references. I don't know if there is a WWW map of Hopewell in Michigan, but if You're in the States (I'm not), You should be able to get a hold of Fitting's book and the one Halsey edited. Should also check Ronald J. Mason's book on Great Lakes archaeology. I know all of these are a bit to very old, but I haven't been closely involved with Hopewell for some decades. Kdammers (talk) 09:07, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

I just noticed that You wrote "Ohio Hopewell." The Hopewell that was in Michigan was related, through NW Indiana/ Kankakee RV, to the Illinois Hopewell. Kdammers (talk) 09:09, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Um, looking at the maps that cover the Great Lakes to the Gulf of Mexico, I noticed some things that didn't look quite right when it comes to rivers. You've got the Mississippi up to Hastings, and then you show the St. Croix. It would make more sense to show the Mississippi up to Crow Wing (as this is traditionally considered the headwaters of the Mississippi, not St. Croix or today's Lake Itasca). Regionally speaking, it would also make more sense to also show both the Wisconsin and Minnesota Rivers in the upper Mississippi river areas as these two waters at one time were streams serving the Great Lakes and was the major water ways (and in the case of the Minnesota River, all the old maps got it and the Mississippi mixed up, which together with the Red River of the North, lead to the confusion that the Mississippi had its headwaters way, way up north, from what is now considered Lake Winnipeg), and if more details are needed, then add in the Bois des Sioux/Red River of the North (MN/ND), St. Croix (MN/WI), Fox (WI) and Rock (WI/IL) rivers, the more major secondary rivers.

Also, the Saugeen Complex that covers southwestern Ontario and parts of Michigan is missing from the maps, as it is one of the Hopewell spheres. CJLippert (talk) 16:07, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Maybe you want to divide the Goodall Focus into the Saginaw Tradition and the Norton Tradition. At this site, there is a Canadian map of the northern areas of concern. You will find the Point Peninsula/Saugeen/Meadowood complex in gold, North Bay/Laurel Complex (listed only as "Laurel") in Green and Couture Complex (Western Basin) in salmon. These complexes are definitely not Hopewell, but were greatly influenced by Hopewell. Hope this helps a bit. CJLippert (talk) 23:50, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Wow! I just want to say that I really like your Image:Hopewellsphere2 map HRoe 2008.jpg. Thank you for such a wonderful addition. CJLippert (talk) 15:17, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Looking at this, you may want to tweek your map. CJLippert (talk) 23:23, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

I'd only ever found one map showing Laurel, and it just showed it going up into infinity, or the arctic LOL, this looks much better, will get a new one out soon, thanks! Heironymous Rowe (talk) 23:49, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

Looking at the two links above, it shows Laurel, but not into infinity, or the arctic, but not the same as the western portion of Laurel shown in one link above. CJLippert (talk) 00:23, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

New map up on Laurel Complex, refined Hopewell overall map as well. Thoughts? Also, this map doesn't show Laurel in Wisconsin.Heironymous Rowe (talk) 01:31, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

Chunkey

Wow, great work completely rewriting the Chunkey article. It's gone from a minor stub to an excellent source of information thanks to you. Keep it up.--Cúchullain ^t/c 23:55, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Photo

Thanks for adding the photo to Shawnee Runestone. Regards, ClovisPt (talk) 19:22, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

Image

Do you have rights to this image? Image:Parkin_phase_sites_HRoe_2008.jpg ≈ jossi ≈ (talk) 04:29, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

I sure do, Just made it ;) Heironymous Rowe (talk) 04:41, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Ho-chunk page

The page is potentially the subject of some copyright issues, and a user is claiming that the text is a violation of copyright of the text he owns the copyright on. There has been no arbitration, though I have recommended that the user in question be referred to Wikimedia Foundation's legal counsel Mike Godwin. Not sure how this will turn out, but it appears that there is an issue at hand that is not going to be resolved in a matter of a few minutes or even a few hours. The best course of action is to leave the page as-is, and let the situation take its course. Wikipedia is in no rush, and once the problem is solved, we can edit the page accordingly. Until then, it would be best to let people like Mike Godwin handle the legal accusations. --Jayron32.talk.contribs 12:25, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Hey, thanks for mentioning the recent Ho-chunk mythology conflict to me. I had been watching it a little bit but couldn't figure out what to do. I've left a message for Diete003 asking for discussion; we'll see if that gets a response. Oh, and by the way, you asked me about maps a few weeks ago and I never got back to you- they look great to me! I'm sure they could use tweaking but archaeologists argue about those borders anyway, so I feel like yours are more than adequate. Nice work. TriNotch (talk) 22:59, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Sure thing

Sure thing, I'll look into. If he won't discuss his changes, then we may have a problem.--Cúchullain ^t/c 23:06, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Red Horn

Hi. You and Doug seem to have the situation under control, but I'll keep watching the article. Regards, ClovisPt (talk) 22:30, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks to everyone who went and checked out the situation for me. I've personally been avoiding wiki for the last few days, things to do in the real world, plus I felt like I was getting too invested in a situation with Mr. Dieterle that I really had no stake in. Apart from his attitude, name calling, and refusal to have a dialogue here, I got snippy emails from him. I'd been controlling my irritation fairly well up til then, but have decided to pull back for awhile and let more experienced and leveler heads deal with him. I hope y'all don't mind and feel like I've dumped him at your figurative doorsteps, I just don't know if I could keep being civil to the gentleman. Heironymous Rowe (talk) 16:54, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

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Re: Pruning categories

I removed the pre-Columbian cultures category from the "Coles Creek Culture" article because it was already in the Mound Builders category, which is a subcat of the pre-columbian cultures category. Therefore it was redundant. Asarelah (talk) 20:14, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

Images related to Native American cultures

Thanks a lot for the images related to ancient Native American cultures, especially the maps. Can you please upload them to Wikimedia Commons? I already moved one from the Chunkey article and going to move some more, but can you please help? --Dmitri Lytov (talk) 12:02, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

Nodena Site

Hello Herb! Quite a while ago you added a considerable amount of information to the article about the Nodena Site and you also thought of adding appropriate sources for the facts, so often this is neglected by editors of Wikipedia when new information is included in an article. I liked very much that you also uploaded and integrated images to accommodate the topic appropriately. Today I have checked the article against the criteria for B-Class. After just a few tweaks I found that the article meets all criteria for B-Class. You additions produced an exciting article that is fun to read and informative and I would like to thank you for your good work! doxTxob \ ^talk 07:43, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

Parkin Archeological State Park

Hello Herb! Your additions to Parkin Archeological State Park helped to improve the article considerably. The article is well written, images illustrate the topic appropriately and the information you added is referenced. I have applied just a few minor changes today, most of them to make the article better compliant with the Wikipedia Manual of Style. When I checked te article against the criteria for B-Class quality, I found that they were all met. Thank you for your contributions and keep up the good work! doxTxob \ ^talk 03:53, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Barnstar

		The Special Barnstar
		This barnstar is awarded for your contributions to the articles Nodena Site and Parkin Archeological State Park. The artwork you created and the information you added improved the quality of both articles to B-Class. Keep up the good work! doxTxob \ talk 04:12, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks!. My first barnstar., much appreciated.Heironymous Rowe (talk) 07:52, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

I added this barnstar to the bottom of my User page. Heironymous Rowe (talk) 18:16, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

History of Randolph, Tennessee

Hello Herb! May I ask for your expertise of Native American cultures and European explorers in one of my articles? The article History of Randolph, Tennessee contains sections about the "Indian cultures" and "European explorers" (De Soto and La Salle). If your time allows, I would like to hear your opinion on the information and what could be improved while still keeping the facts in these short paragraphs. Thank you! doxTxob \ ^talk 04:37, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

I have added a reply on the Talkpage of the article, I was not sure if you put all the pages on your watchlist. doxTxob \ ^talk 22:49, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your images from Poverty Point

Hi, I just found your great images of the artifacts. Thanks a lot for them. I'll improve the article on Poverty Point in the German Wikipedia sometimes later today or tomorrow with your pictures. Would you maybe have a picture of the very normal, average PPOs? In the picture of the unusual ones there are two quite normal ones in the right part of the tray, but if you have an image that shows them better, I would love to see it too. TIA --h-stt !? 15:30, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

I took a few photos of objects on display at the museum located at Poverty Point when I visited it several years ago. I have only a very few pictures of those artifacts, this is pretty much all I have. I popped over to the German Wiki, and noticed you have contributed greatly to the German language articles on many North American archaeological subjects. Please feel free to browse my other uploaded images to see if any would be of use to you on the German Wiki. I have uploaded many illustrations, photos of pottery, shell engravings, carvings, etc. for the Mississippian culture, Hopewell tradition, and a few other subjects. I will check my original photo of the PPO's, if I can get a clear magnification of the plain PPO.s from the photo, I will upload it. I'm glad to ave helped you. Heironymous Rowe (talk) 21:54, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the notification on de-WP, I'll prefer to answer here. You mentioned Hopewell culture, I'm really, really looking for a scientific, though comprehensive treatment of the Hopewell culture. I can only find tiny pieces in a variety of papers or completely outdated general overviews. Can you point me to a publication of maybe the last ten to fifteen years which attempts to cover the whole of Hopewell? English language is fine of course. I can access pretty much every book on archaeology from the US here, because I have access to the state library of Bavaria which is tasked with collecting archaeological literature from all over the world. --h-stt !? 22:10, 2 March 2009 (UTC) PS: Two of your images are in the de-article on Poverty point by now: de:Poverty Point. PPS: I am looking for literature on the Woodland period as well, so if you might know something on that, any hints are welcome too.

List of archaeological periods (North America)

I noticed that your addition to this article runs in opposite chonological order to the entries on rest of the page. Would you be interested in reversing it - or was this an intentional choice? Rmhermen (talk) 03:26, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

I hadn't really thought of that. All of the tables in my reference material always go chronologically bottom up. I know the top goes reverse of this, it just never occured to me to change the way my source material was laid out, lol.(Smacking self in forehead now). I guess it should be changed to agree with the top, but I wont have time to redo it til sometime next week. I was having some trouble with the table on this one(it's the first I've made with that many columns, etc., usually I stick to 3 or 4 columns), do you know what I did wrong? I keep having these funny, compressed, extra dangling boxes on the right edge. Could use the advice. Heironymous Rowe (talk) 04:37, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

Parkin and Nodena

Movie: Towns and Temples of the Mississippian Culture-5 Sites.

Hello Herb! You were right, that is a petty amazing movie you made there. You brought the places back to live, there are even people walking around and boating. Incredible. I have only seen the Parkin site myself, it is very exciting to see how it must have looked like. Are you going to put it in the articles for the sites that are in the movie? doxTxob \ ^talk 21:11, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

Was thinking of it, was worried others might consider it spam, wasn't sure what the policy was concerning making animations, uploading to youtube and then x-linking to them. Any thoughts? Heironymous Rowe (talk) 22:06, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

I would just be bold and do it! They say that Wikipedia encourages to be just bold and do what you think helps to improve the project. If you do not have issues releasing the copyrights of the movie, you could even upload it Wikipedia:Creation and usage of media files, it needs to be in the ".ogg" format for that. Then you can include a thumbnail picture of the movie in the article and it has a "play" button below to start the film. There are examples on the page linked above. I am no expert on the copyrights but there are options to release the material but it has to be attributed when it is used by someone else. This method seems to work to some degree, I have found a few photos I took on websites outside of Wikipedia that were attributed to me by name. Pretty cool but just for the fame and glory, no immediate and long term fortunes related to that.

There is no reason I can imagine not to include this great visualization into Wikipedia if you are willing to do that. As far as I understood, your renderings are based on actual maps of the site and are meant to give an idea of how it might have looked like, so they are not original research. I have been at the Parkin site once and for my personal taste the movie brought it to life better than a still image or even the visit to the site could do.

I was very impressed by your renderings. How much better can it get than having an animation of the very site and see it from that fly over perspective? If you are worried about spamming, you could split the movie into pieces for each site and include the file with a thumbnail picture in each article. The full movie could be used at the article about the Mississippian Culture. There is only one concern I have if you upload it to Wikipedia, that is the music in the background. It might violate the artists copyrights to have the music included. You could replace the music by a spoken introduction, speaking the text in addition to the text that is displayed for each sire during the movie. If the spoken text is close to the text in the corresponding Wikipedia article, there should be no problem at all with copyrights or original reasearch. That is some great work! How nice is that, you look at the article and you have the option to watch a short movie about it! That is like watching the History Channel on TV. There is no reason to hide this in the "External links", if you like to upload the video, expose it in the article! Thanks for letting me have a look at this! doxTxob \ ^talk 05:11, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

Cool, will look into it and see if I can convert the file type, and upload them. I believe I still have the original shorter sections as seperate files somewhere.( were created in 3dsmax, to cut down on rendering time, cut it up into sections, still took hours to render each minute of video :p). Thanks for the input.!Heironymous Rowe (talk) 05:36, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

Your video made my day! I looked at it again and just leaned back and watched it. If you have a nice deep voice like the guys on TV, try the spoken comment, if that is not too difficult to do technically. The text is harder to read if you just lean back and watch, it is easy to read if you pause line by line until it scrolls into the sky, but not much of a problem. Hey, I am not joking, if this could be watched from a Wikipedia article and a voice tells you what this is about, that would be one of the top 3 best things I have seen on Wikipedia, ever (probably #1 of these top 3). Just imagine someone who might have just visited the site and looked it up on Wikipedia afterwards. How exciting this would be! And if you look it up on Wikipedia before the visit that would enhance your experience during the visit of the site. You brought these villages back to life. Amazing! doxTxob \ ^talk 07:04, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

Adena culture

The last time I looked over the Adena culture article a few years ago, I wouldn't wiki link to it. Tonite, I just did a WIKI link to it and it seems it's your efforts made my conscience allow it. Thankyou kindly for the pretty maps, too.

I see you are considering the Copena Culture of the Mississippi Valley who lived on the southern everons of the Baumer archaic culture of lower Illinois and St Louis region. My I suggest Dr Don Dragoo's book? "Mounds For The Dead" Volume #37, Carnegy Museum, 1963. It's a must read for young field scientists. Most literature I read done by simply an otherwise good writer obviously are not field scientists, second and third removed from the cource, as it seems. Thanks again for your good work here on WIKI, Wishing You Wellness, Conaughy (talk) 03:33, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

P.S.
Another original reference and best citation that Profs and field scientists reading your article will not contest and is not second, third or even a forth removed from the orginal abstracts is James Griffin. He is considered the Eminent Fort Ancient Archaeologist. One might say that he "wrote the book" that others arrival in the field of study follow. His student, Penelope Drooker, continues his work and has written much of the Contact period of Madisonville. To quote, "Stylized weeping eye motif. Scholars believe the weeping eye is associated with the Southeastern Fort Ancient manisfestation. The symbol is common in Ohio and its Madisonville site. Over two dozen examples are found at the Clover site in Cabel County and occasionally at a few other central West Virginia sites. Thanks again Conaughy (talk) 04:12, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

Thanks very much for the encouragement and kind words. I'll have to look into those books you mentioned, I've heard of Griffin before, I think I have a book or 2 , old Peabody Museum stuff maybe co-authored with Ford and/or Philips?Heironymous Rowe (talk) 05:27, 7 March 2009 (UTC)

Parkin Archeological State Park

Hey Herb, the animation you added to the article recently is a perfect addition. I added the link to the long animation on youtube to all five articles and to Mississippian culture at the top of the external links. In my opinion these animations are perfect to illustrate the topics. I am convinced that it will excite many readers who are interested in the Mississippian culture. Exceptional work indeed! Take care, doxTxob \ ^talk 23:20, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

Cool! Thanks, haven't had time myself to edit much lately, or to work on those animations, been busy in the real world. Have a gallery opening tonight, trying to get everything finished and ready. Heironymous Rowe (talk) 14:15, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

Hernando de Soto

Hello. I wonder if you even took the time to check the references I provided. In case you hadn't, I am supply them to you again:

• America's Conquest, The Oldest Record of Native America
• [http://www.nps.gov/archive/deso/chronicles/Volume1/toc.htm The De Soto Chronicles Volume I:

The Expedition of Hernando De Soto to North America 1539-1543 by Lawrence A. Clayton, Vernon James Knight, Jr., Edward C. Moore, 1994]

• Inca's Original DeSoto Writings: Florida of the Inca Garcilaso de la Vega, el Inca 1539-1616

I wonder if, had you been alive in the 1300s and 1400s, you would have accepted the "theory" that the Earth was not flat, but round. I find it rather presumptuous of you to discard my addition to the article on Hernando de Soto so easily. You will note that I titled the section "De Soto's Original Route Disputed" and did not title it "De Soto's Original Route Disproved." The route is indeed disputed, and my sources were cited under the reference section.

Based on that, I am restoring what I wrote. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Caulleys (talk • contribs) 17:20, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

I looked at the references used in the article, which all went to one website, written by an avocational researcher, thereby not meeting WP:RS. It's WP:Fringe, is not advocated by mainsteam scholars, archaeologists, or historians. Heironymous Rowe (talk) 09:54, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

Also, I've read several books on the subject, plus many more on the subject of the Southeastern Native Americans in general, especially the Mississippians. The jab about the flat earth theory was uncalled for. You're comparing apples to oranges, one a well reasoned theory, the other a bunch of fringe nonsense full of factual inaccuracies. Heironymous Rowe (talk) 09:59, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

Maps to Commons

Hello. Could you upload your maps to the Commons?

I can help categorize them, and I can help create new map categories if necessary, too. I have categorized many maps on the Commons.

• commons:Category:Maps
• commons:Category:Maps by theme
• commons:Category:Maps of the history of North America
• commons:Category:Indigenous peoples of North America
• commons:Category:Hopewell culture

Some categories and subcategories can be created. Something like this possible category:

• Category:Maps showing indigenous peoples of North America

It can catalog the maps found in the articles in this category below, and maps found in other related categories and articles:

• Category:Indigenous peoples of North America

--Timeshifter (talk) 20:21, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

I uploaded a few maps to commons, several others have already been moved by other users. Have fun with the categories.Heironymous Rowe (talk) 04:47, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for uploading the images to the commons. Now they can be used by more wikis and websites worldwide. They can also be adapted or be used as models for more maps. In many languages. I don't really have the time to upload the maps myself, but I can continue to help somewhat in their categorization.

I created this commons category:

commons:Category:Maps showing history of indigenous peoples of North America --Timeshifter (talk) 06:26, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Tremper Mound and Works

Just wanted to let you know — the NRHP name is Tremper Mound and Works, so it needs to be given as that at the county NRHP list and in the infobox, at least. Also: can you provide coordinates for the site? Nyttend (talk) 22:45, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

I left this message before looking at the infobox carefully; I've seen your coords, so no need to reply. Thanks! Nyttend (talk) 22:55, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Cool, fine by me.Heironymous Rowe (talk) 22:59, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

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Portsmouth Earthworks

Where I live, there are a few mounds, but despite recently getting a reproduction copy of the renowned Archaeological Atlas of Ohio, I'm having trouble finding them. I wish I were able to be doing like you :-) Just a quick note on the Group A bit: the nationalregisterofhistoricplaces.com site is not an official website. It's a mirror, so you can generally trust its data, but a better source is the one with which I replaced it in the Portsmouth Earthworks infoboxes. Nyttend (talk) 01:15, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

By the way, do you know if you could add a source and location/coordinates for Lower Shawneetown? Nyttend (talk) 01:20, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for fixing that ref for me, the official site always seems hard to navigate, and the mirror site seemed to have a little more info added. As for coordinates for the other 2 sites, Lower Shawneetown, Group A, and Lower Shawneetown Archaeo site or whatever it was, are all pretty much right on top of each other, basically within several hundred feet anyway, lol. And since it's all on private property, and I haven't found any maps which locate it anymore exactly, could just go with same coord or no coord. In grand scheme of things, same coords would be as close as I've seen as some of other locations with approx. coords. As for locating mounds more precisely in your neighborhood, if your in Ohio, Ky, or Ind, a great book to use is "Indian Mounds of the Middle Ohio Valley", isbn=0-939923-72-6, McDonald and Woodward Publishing, authors Susan Woodward and Jerry McDonald. I've been to a majority of the sites I've listed, but this book is full of individual maps for the location of several hundred publicly accessable sites. Between it, Google Earth, and the fact that I'm from the area and know my way around pretty well, it's not to hard to do. If you had a gps unit, you could always go to the site and find it's exact coordinates. Anyway, give those a try and see what happens, thanks for your help as well. H. Heironymous Rowe (talk) 18:57, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Sounds nice! I'm interested in finding more of these (although I finally found the Zimmerman Kame yesterday), so I'll check into it. Nyttend (talk) 22:21, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Curious, though — this Kentucky government website says that the Shannoah marker that you posted for Lower Shawneetown is on KY 10, which isn't near Group A. Nyttend (talk) 00:52, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

They are incorrect or confused, the sign is roughly at these coordinates 38.719411°N 83.018431°W / 38.719411; -83.018431, which is on Ky 8. As you can see, 10 doesn't go thru South Portsmouth, 8 does. Although 7, 8, 9, and 10 all run thru the area and large portions of all of them were combined to make the straight line route from Huntington to Cincy known as the AA Highway. Maybe thats what confused them, but as you can see on google earth, the road is marked as 8. I'll be up that way in about a week, will go there with my gps and get exact coordinates if you want.Heironymous Rowe (talk) 01:09, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

38.719989°N 83.029458°W / 38.719989; -83.029458 although, I believe this is the location of the actual village, if according to that link you provided it was 500 yds to the northwest fromt he Group A mounds. It was also on the other side of the river in that large field, which I was taken to once by a local historian. The field across the river was also the location of Alexandria, which was the first town in the area, but was abandoned after a few years because of constant spring flooding. By then Portsmouth had been established across the scioto river, and everyone moved there. Heironymous Rowe (talk) 01:30, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

One more template

Hello, and thanks a lot for improving the {{Pre-Columbian North America}} template. In the Russian Wikipedia I decided to create a new template called "Ancient Pueblo" dedicated to the cultures covered by the Pecos Classification, namely Anasazi, Mogollon, Hohokam, Salado and Patayan. If you support the idea, I am going to create a similar template in the English Wikipedia and ask you to check it after creation and improve if possible. Thanks, --Dmitri Lytov (talk) 06:49, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

• One more question if possible. Would it be worthwhile, in your opinion, to create separate templates on Woodland cultures, Mound builders and/or Archaic cultures as well? --Dmitri Lytov (talk) 13:03, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
  • Probably not Dmitri, maybe have them as subsections of the {{Pre-Columbian North America}} template, my opinion anyway. I like how you've done it. And seeing how sparse wiki coverage of those other topics is, might not be enough to worry about putting in a template of their own.Heironymous Rowe (talk) 13:49, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
    • Probably the main reason why I decided to split off new topics from the existing template was the fact that the respective Wiki category is overloaded. At the moment, translation of English articles about Native American archaeology into Russian is all I can do; the whole topic of pre-European history of the North America is quite unknown in Russia. --Dmitri Lytov (talk) 15:57, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Hernando de Soto Request for Page Protection

Just a quick note - when you place a request for page protection, make sure that it goes to the top of the "Current Requests" list - not the bottom of the "Fulfilled Requests/Not Done" list!.

It's a simple mistake, but if it's in the one bit, it won't be seen or acted upon.

I should point out that I am not an admin, so I cannot do anything about the request! I just thought I'd check that it was put on the page correctly, as I've seen others have problems!

Regards, -- PhantomSteve (Contact Me, My Contribs) 02:42, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

Franklinbe

I don't think anyone is doubting that this user is not a help to Wikipedia, but if you look at his contribution history, you can see that he actually started as just a confused newbie, before he descended into nonsense. In any event, his disruption isn't severe enough that it absolutely requires a block, not that anything good is likely to come from him.

But that said, I think the reason no administrator has yet blocked him is for the purpose of minimizing drama. A user like this, on the rapid descent into trolling, is least likely to come back as a sock if he sees that no one actually cares what he says. Or he'll make another personal attack or wierd article edit, and he'll be blocked anyway. Either way, no need to do anything right this second. Someguy1221 (talk) 09:34, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

Fine by me. Heironymous Rowe (talk) 09:41, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

Thor

Hi. I realize that TH was not trained as an archaeologist and that the digs he was connected with were run by archaeologists he hired, but considering his publications and his ethno-archaeology, I think he should be left in the list of archaeologists. Besides, many lay-people expect to find him there.

A more vexing case would concern charlatans, like that Swiss Chariots of the Gods guy. Kdammers (talk) 02:47, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

Either he's an archaeologist or not. If he's not, I don't think he belongs on the list. Maybe we need a new list page for fringe pseudo-archaeologists for him Hancock, Sitchen and von Daniken. Hope I dont sound pissy, but isn't the public better served by us doing this correctly, than by expecting to find him here and finding him here? By us adding it, doesn't it lend crediblity to him claiming to be an archaeologist, or at least smarter than the professionals? If you can find a credible source for him being an archaeologist, by all means, add him back. Otherwise, I oppose his re-addition to this list. I hope I don't come off too blunt, it's not my intention. Heironymous Rowe (talk) 03:14, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

Taken from our article on Thor Heyerdahl - "Anthropologist Robert C. Suggs included a chapter on "The Kon-Tiki Myth" in his book on Polynesia, concluding that "The Kon-Tiki theory is about as plausible as the tales of Atlantis, Mu, and "Children of the Sun." Like most such theories it makes exciting light reading, but as an example of scientific method it fares quite poorly."". Just for a little perspective on the professionals view him. Heironymous Rowe (talk) 03:19, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

To say either he is or he isn't is too simple. But if you want to put it that way, then he is. Check the refs. in the Wik article on him. Yes, they are not from professional archaeologists, but he was a maverick. In any case, he led a number of digs and conducted experimental archaeology. Don't get hung up on Kon Tiki; he did a lot of other work. Most of his stuff was diffusionist, and that is an approach that was wrongly scorned under the banner of New Archaeology. I'm putting him back in. Kdammers (talk) 05:44, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

Too simple? Either he is or he isn't. The title of the articfle isn't "list of avocational archaeologists". Lets take it to the article talk page and get some input from others. Heironymous Rowe (talk) 06:00, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

Tipton Phase

Hello Heironymous Rowe,

I have not been editing or writing for a while. Today I saw that you recently started an article about the Tipton Phase. I like the detail to which you reasearch and create articles. I am looking forward to see more local details written by someone of your knowledge, interest in the topic and writing skills. It is fun to read your articles and to see your artwork.

Have a great day, doxTxob \ ^talk 02:51, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for Pointer on Unsuitable Image Solution...

That you left on Hell in a Bucket's talk. Couldn't help noticing the discussion above re: Heyerdahl (what's not to love about a partially submerged raft and a bunch of sharks?). Might see you there. Oberonfitch (talk) 23:01, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

Welcome. LOL Heironymous Rowe (talk) 23:12, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

Oh, and the page relevant to the above discussion of Thor is Talk:List of archaeologists if you consider weighing in. Heironymous Rowe (talk) 23:21, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

There's a page for that

Maybe you didn't read what was said on my page. Maybe you couldn't understand it....Kindly read what's written or keep your mouth shut on my page, all you are doing is irritating me when you make a comment so unconstructive. Yes some here have a perverse thrill in displaying rape photos but we believe in having a choice. There is always a lesser voice in consensus, we appear to be among it, I don't need random comments that just taunt us for having a sense of decency and shame for a victim. Hell In A Bucket (talk) 14:41, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

I read what was written on your page, and I left a constructive suggestion for how to not see images you dont want to see, unlike your attempt at snarky wit above. I take no delight in seeing a brutally treated young woman displayed like that. As for image policy and WP:NOTCENSORED, as I suggested, you and your minority are free to try to gain concensus to change it. Now, have a nice day Bucket. Heironymous Rowe (talk) 18:42, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Yeah even my own family does the Weird Al references. I'm just still irked by the picture, sorry I was a dick about it. Hell In A Bucket (talk) 18:45, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

I respect your opinion in the matter, I just happen to not agree with it. I don't think images like that should be trotted out for titillations sake, but I don't think hiding them from view is the way to go. Just like the holocaust, there are people who deny the event even happened. It's the old slippery slope argument. If we start hiding the small things, just because they are unpleasant to look at, it makes it that much easier to hide the bigger things. We are an uncensored encyclopedia project. We strive for the truth, or as close to it as verifiability will get us. It is sometimes ugly, and unpleasant, and inhumane. But knowledge is power, and the best way to assure that such an event doesn't happen again, is to make sure people know it is possible for human beings to act in this way, to commit such atrocities. A well informed article I believe helps accomplish that. And, as I've stated before, that image punctuates the article in a way the text cannot. We are also a collaborative project, and as such we set our community norms. You are free to attempt to gain concensus and establish a new community norm for display of such images. I, respectfully of coarse, will remain on the other side of the argument. Seeing as how we are both pretty entrenched in our opinions, maybe we should leave it at that. As for the Weird Al thing, sorry 'bout the that, lol. Wanted to be a dick back, but decided to make a little joke and hopefully diffuse the tension a little. Ever been to the Raising Cane's Chicken Fingers resturant in Ft. Collins? I drove all of the way to Colorado a few years ago and did some hand painted signs for them, logos and fake bricks, etc. Heironymous Rowe (talk) 19:57, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

I've been in Ft. Collins once or twice but I was just driving through. I don't actually like traveling too much so I stick close to home. As far as the picture, who knows, I may ask and see if the attitudes changed but as yousay it may not have. Neways, Cheers. Hell In A Bucket (talk) 22:47, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Shenks Ferry?

Are you at all familiar with the Shenks Ferry culture of Pennsylvania? I've been working on articles about Monongahela villages in southwestern Pennsylvania, and I think I'm soon going to write somewhat about some Shenks Ferry villages in the southeastern part of the state. I have data (NRHP nomination forms) about individual villages, so writing the articles won't be a problem, but I know virtually nothing about the people themselves, and we have no article about them. Thanks! Nyttend (talk) 20:09, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Unfortunately, I know nothing about them. Although, when starting this stub, (which I never got back to) Point Peninsula Complex I think I may have ran across the name, seems like a close area. I'd look into that if I was you, and if you run across some good info, maybe expand this stub too? Anyway, good luck with it. Been concentrating on the Centrel Mississippi valley Late Mississippian/Protohistoric period lately. Have been workin on a article in userspace for the Nodena Phase that I'd like to get up to Featured Article or at least Good article status, lol. Wouldn't mind some feedback if you get time, User:Heironymous Rowe/Nodena Phase, just add thoughts to the discussion page, which hasn't been created yet btw. Heironymous Rowe (talk) 20:19, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Did find this [1] and this [2] pretty quick tho. Heironymous Rowe (talk) 20:31, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

I just found this article, probably related to the Shenks Ferry somehow, Monongahela tribe. Searched for Monongahela culture, which that article should probably be renamed to, and found this [3] with a map and timeline for southwestern Penn st and Ohio. Heironymous Rowe (talk) 01:21, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

Thanks! I've been familiar with the article Monongahela tribe for quite a while — the confusing thing is that it uses sources for the Shenks Ferry people, so I had been thinking for a while that they were somehow the same people. I didn't find out otherwise until yesterday: while researching Bedford Village Archeological Site, I discovered that the occupation of the site by both Monongahela and Shenks Ferry was seen as an overlap between two very different groups. The rootsweb page I find a good introduction, while I expect that the Pennsylvania Historical & Museum Commission website will be a good reliable source. Now I'll see if I can try to compose at least a stub. Nyttend (talk) 02:56, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, but I can't help really with your Nodena Phase page; I really know almost nothing on this subject other than what I've learned through researching for Wikipedia articles on NRHP-listed archaeological sites. It doesn't help that it's a Southern topic — growing up in Ohio, I learned a little bit of the Adena and Hopewell in Ohio history classes, but I didn't hear the name "Nodena" (or most other Southern culture names) until after I began editing NRHP articles here on Wikipedia. Nyttend (talk) 03:08, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

I also thought at first they might be the same people. I just went ahead and tried to make a little sense of the Monongahela page as well as renaming it. With the Nodena Phase stuff, was just wondering if you would look over it for style, MoS, clarity, etc., don't really have to know anything about the Nodena per se. Although I do still have a few notes, and hangy ons visible for now. Heironymous Rowe (talk) 05:53, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the clarification; I've offered a bunch of proposed changes on the talk page. I need to get to bed (nearly 2 AM now!), and I'll be gone from tomorrow afternoon until Monday, so I'll not be able to finish it for some days yet. Please give me a nudge next week if I don't remember to finish reading it. Nyttend (talk) 06:49, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

Heironymous Rowe, thank you for correcting the Monongahela tribe article. Numerous times, I've wished I was knowledgeable in renaming articles to have made this correction. Again, greatfully thanking you for correcting the local archeological terminolgy to Monongahela culture. And yes, citing Prof George of Pennsylvania work on these archeological sites, these were not the same people of the eastern side of the Allegheny Mtns. Somewhat, to use the already used term, "overlapping" with clarification in terms of phases and location, the Shenks Ferry culture was their close neighbour, "somewhat overlapping", on the eastern slopes of the Allegheny through the Susquehanna Valley. The type site for Shanks Ferry people is located on the lower Susquehanna River Valley. They are thought to have been pushed from the Virginia Peidmont or lower Potomac ("coming from the south") by the Algonquian arrival, thinking of Prof Potter of Virginia. Immediately preceding with some "overlapping in time with the earlier of the Susquehanna sequence of the upper half of the drainage system of this name. This is certainly not to say the Shenks Ferry people were proto-Susquehanna, thinking of Kent's more recent field-work findings of the Susquehanna sequence. Towards the latter phases of "Monongahela", there seems to have been an acculturation of several language groups to include Eastern Siouan towards the latter half Monongahela Culture, thinking of both Prof George (Pa.) & Dr. Maslowski, state archeologist of West Virginia, work--towards the latter of the Monongahela culture. I write these few sentences here in showing you why & how I am greatfull to you Wiki-editors in "cleaning up" and renaming the culture, Monongahela, correctly. I'm certainly no "expert" although I've read our regional field scholars abstracts & questioned some in person after reading their books for further clarification. Oh yes, Heironymous Rowe, I'm a fan of your graghics... respectfully & thankful, Conaughy (talk) 18:14, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

Renaming is pretty easy. Look at tabs at top of page for the "move" tab, in between the "history' and "watch" tabs. I've only actually moved a page a few times myself, it can at times get controversial. It's why I left an explanation at the talk page. It's probably a good idea to do that if you ever rename a page. Thanks for the compliments on my illustrations, who knowsw, maybe I'll get around to doing some for theis culture and a few other WVa in the future. Have a great day and thanks. Heironymous Rowe (talk) 18:31, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

Just thought you might find it interesting that Bedford Village Archeological Site is currently on the Main Page, and its picture is the featured image. Nyttend (talk) 18:21, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

Saw that earlier, niiiiiiiiiiiiiiiice! Congrats!. Heironymous Rowe (talk) 18:42, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

Sorry!! Indigenous Amerindian genetics

Sorry buddy did not mean to change what you added.... to be honest ..I though i put it there and ..though i was the only one edit the page !! all normal now!!...pls feel free to help me out with the grammar!!... ':0 ...Buzzzsherman (talk) 07:05, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

Thats cool, just thought maybe you hadn't noticed that the older template contains almost nothing about North American subjects because it was split into its own template. It was getting so long at one time, with all of the Central American stuff, that another editor did the grunt work and split the NA stuff and added on to it. I've added a few things to it, and try to tag as many NA subjects as I can as I run across them. If I spot any grammar fixes, I'll fix'em for ya. Good article so far.Heironymous Rowe (talk) 07:11, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

{{Hopewellian peoples‎}}

Just curious if you would consider removing the Lake Ridge Island Mounds from this template? As you can see at Talk:Lake Ridge Island Mounds, it was discovered some time ago that the "mounds" were naturally-occurring little hills; while it would be original research to write that into an article, I don't see it as original research not to link to Lake Ridge Island on the template. I don't want to remove it myself, because it might seem like I was going into original research; I think that a change by the creator of a template might be seen differently. Nyttend (talk) 05:00, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

Done. Heironymous Rowe (talk) 05:06, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

Like my new templates? Did one for Mississppian culture as well. Have been working the last year or so to connect all of the differant locations together in a systematic way, as well as flesh out existing articles, and add new ones. Don't know how many hours over the last year I've spent just searching thru the wiki to find the existing articles, lol. Heironymous Rowe (talk) 05:09, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

Thanks! And yes, I do like these templates; I produced the majority of the 3,000+ county navboxes that you'll find on communities nationwide, and it's good to have templates for places that aren't communities. By the way, I've just noticed your additions to National Register of Historic Places listings in Posey County, Indiana based on nationalregisterofhistoricplaces.com. Don't trust that website — it masquerades as the official NRHP website, but it's not, and it makes many errors. You've been deceived by one of them: for one reason or another, many sites have reference numbers but aren't on the Register, and that site lists everything with a reference number. Both sites that I removed in this edit are in the NRHP database with a listing code of "DO" — in other words, they qualified to be listed but weren't because their owners objected. I've accordingly removed all NRHP information from both articles, as well. Sorry to have to tell you this; I definitely appreciate the work you do, and I'm well aware that even non-NRHP sites deserve coverage. Nyttend (talk) 05:16, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

By the way, I'm sorry that I can't help you add more very often; Ohio's sparse online presence with NRHP listings means that I can't get the information that I need for most sites the way I can with Pennsylvania. I've recently gotten the nomination form for the Carl Potter Mound in Champaign County, so I expect to expand it soon. I'm planning to get a picture soon, but I'm waiting for a combination of (1) no snow on the ground and (2) a day when both the landowner and I have time to go to it. Apparently it's in someone's back yard, so it's not going to be as easy to photograph as was the Enon Mound. Nyttend (talk) 05:19, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

Cool, thanks for the cleanup. Most of the stuff I edit on are relatively obscure, so I try to find the most trustworthy looking stuff I can(even have a book on the Caborn-Welborn I used, but nil about that site unfortunately), and they sure look it, numbers and all as you said. Oh well. I know there are alot of Ohio sites that could go on the Hopewell template and list, and a future Adena template, but the pages dont specify which culture to put them in, so when I run across them, I usually just stick them into generic category:Mound builders til I can figure it out. Hope the snow lets up, it was nice and sunny here today, high 60' LOL :P Heironymous Rowe (talk) 05:29, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

I thought you were in Portsmouth or Ironton, or at least somewhere in southern Ohio, but the weather.com data for the 2nd really disagrees with your weather data, so I guess I was wrong :-) Our snow melted somewhat, but it was cold all day long; I've not yet contacted the Potter Mound's owner (although I've contacted someone who has contacted him), so it will likely take a little bit of work before I can go there. Nyttend (talk) 05:47, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

Outdent-I'm from southern Ohio, and usually spend several months there in the summer for work and visiting, but I live in southern Louisiana. Mardi Gras starts next week. And the winters here are much better than Ohio, LOL. Heironymous Rowe (talk) 05:50, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

Just added Potter and Enon to Adena culture List of mounds. If I add too many more, will have to split it off to its own page. Nice pic of Enon. When you get Potter, add it it too the list if you have the time. Heironymous Rowe (talk)

Nice work on the Wolf Plains. This makes me think of several questions —

• Is your copy of Squier and Davis hard copy or digital? If you've found it online, would you be willing to send me a link for it?
• Do Squier and Davis have any information on the Glenford Fort in Perry County, southeast of Columbus?
• Do you have a copy of William C. Mills' Archaeological Atlas of Ohio?

I ask because Mills has a bit of information about the Fort, but I want to have more information than he gives before writing about it. I do have a picture — while it's not of the fort itself, I was able to visit the vicinity in November, and I got a photo of the ridgeline on which it's located. Nyttend (talk) 14:56, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, hard copy, and I just checked it, nothing in Perry Co. Plenty of Forts and Works in it tho, sure its in Perry Co? Heironymous Rowe (talk) 15:10, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

Just found a Monongahela culture site in Ohio (Tower Site), was gonna add your template, but noticed it's for Pennslyvania. Got another for Ohio or wanna tweak it to include the Ohio sites?

Thanks for the information on S&D; I'm quite sure that it's in Perry County. I'll see what I can do about the template. As you may have noticed, there are at least two Register-listed Monongahela sites in Maryland as well; and of course, there might well be potential for articles about non-Register-listed Monongahela sites as well. As far as you know, are there any more articles about Monongahela sites outside of Pennsylvania? Nyttend (talk) 15:36, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

According to the article there are some in Ohio and West Virginia as well, not sure how many tho. Can't find much. Did find Buffalo Indian Village Site in WVA is a FT Ancient site and the Monogahela and Ft Ancient seem to be all in the same area [4], maybe differant times?, not sure. But if you found at least 2 in Maryland, and I found one in Ohio, thats 3 states.Heironymous Rowe (talk) 15:53, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

Found this "Opatrny site, an upland village in Belmont County occupied between A.D. 1100 and 1200." here [5]. Heironymous Rowe (talk) 15:58, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

See Opatrny Village Site. Nyttend (talk) 16:06, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

OUtdent:Saw it. Will get back to Buffalo some other time, would be nice to have some more Ft Ancient sites up. Time to logoff and get some work done in the real world, LOL. COFFEE!!!!!!!! Have a good one. Heironymous Rowe (talk) 16:16, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the help! Potter is now a decent article; I've expanded it to nearly 6KB of information. Nyttend (talk) 17:23, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

Steamboat Bertrand

And changing the location to a city when it is located outside of the city limits is more specific? How do you define specific? The site IS located within Washington County, whereas it is only located CLOSE to (but not IN) Blair, Nebraska. That is the difference between your definition of specific and mine. Backspace (talk) 21:52, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Because it says NEAREST LOCATION, not "In this county'. Look at the info box. Heironymous Rowe (talk) 22:18, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

So why did you delete my Washington County location? I never touched your Blair, Nebraska nearest city. I never denied that Blair was close, so why are you denying that it is located in Washington County? Backspace (talk) 08:32, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

Specific? How many square miles do you think are in Washington County? It could conceivably be in or near alot of locations with that descriptive. How much more specific is "near Blair"? Your edit summary said you were making the location more specific, you were not. The info you removed was from a cited source. If you want to change those locations on all of those NRHP infoboxes, be prepared to find a cited references for each and every one. Me, personally, dont much care, but there are a few other editors who have spent alot of time adding all of those NRHP articles, and they get antsy when you start changing stuff "cause it looks like something". And on that note, can we drop this? I don't think I can explain it much clearer than "Yous needs citations for those kinds of changes".Heironymous Rowe (talk) 08:52, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

I do not make up any of the changes that I make. They are all researched by looking at maps and other sources. Forget what I said in my edit summary. The bottom line is: Are my edits factual or not? My edit summary could be irrelevant, as long as what I entered in the article was pertinent and factual. The info that I removed? What info did I remove? Go back and read the edit. I removed absolutely no information. My only action was to add more information, specifically the county of its location. What information did I remove? Backspace (talk) 09:05, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

Caddoan Mississippian culture

Thanks for making Caddoan Mississippian culture. It was very interesting to read. You might want a reference after the bit about the tribes de Soto saw actually being the Caddo villages in the area. Lәo_(βǃʘʘɱ) 03:07, 5 February 2010 (UTC) Thanks! Am working on it, planned to do that, working on a graphic at the moment, specific to the Caddoan area, to replace the Multiregional Mississippian map at top. Heironymous Rowe (talk) 03:20, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

Folkert Mound Group

For whatever reason are you denying that this place in is Hardin County, Iowa? I did not "change" the location. The original nearest city was left in there untouched. I merely added the county in which it is located. It is located in the county, whereas it is only located "near" your city location. There is absolutely no reason for removing the category designation. Backspace (talk) 21:43, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, must've gotten carried away, have added it back to the info box. Heironymous Rowe (talk) 22:05, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

Thank you. Backspace (talk) 04:45, 8 February 2010 (UTC)