User:Halibutt/Archive13

This is but an archive. Please add new comments in new sections on my Talk page. Thanks in advance. Halibutt

Even better PLC map

Could you create a more detailed Image:Rzeczpospolita voivodships.png, with as many details as the map in Dzikie Pola 2nd edition? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus ^Talk 12:23, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

Mapy znowu

Polish-Muscovy War (1605-1618) approaches FAC and I'd love to have some map before that. I think your basic map of Commwealth with locations and dates of main battles would be sufficient. Can you do it? Btw, you may find this page of mine of interest: [1]. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus ^Talk 10:23, 31 July 2005 (UTC)

Zaznacz tyle, na ile masz czasu. Idealnie, osobne mapki i jedna zbiorcza bylaby najlepsza, ale zrobisz tyle, na ile masz czas. Nie kojarze nazw 'Carowo Zajmiszcze' i 'Nowodziewicze Pola', ale poszukam - tylko daj mi znac jaki to byl konflikt :) Aha, z twojego starego campaignboxa o Dymitriadach usunałem Humienno i Sasowy Róg - to były bitwy kamapnii Mołdawskiej (Moldavian Magnate Wars). --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus ^Talk 13:37, 31 July 2005 (UTC)

If we can't find the info, perhaps we can ask our Russian friends from the board for help? They should know Russia geography better then we. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus ^Talk 16:27, 31 July 2005 (UTC)

Juz sie slinie :) Legende przesunalbym gdzies indziej, by Moskwe bylo dobrze widac. Nie moge znalezc zadnej mapki online Dymitriad, ale ide przeszukac atlasy i takie tam :) Jak cos znajde, zeskanuje i podesle ci. A mapka DP piekna jest, zaprawde :) Chocby dla niej warto podrecznik kupic :) --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus ^Talk 20:59, 31 July 2005 (UTC)

As I hoped, we can have help here. User:KNewman offered to find those places, and indeed, he found where Tsarovo is. See User_talk:Piotrus#Your_request_for_help and here :) Just ask them for all other places you are not sure, and we should have data for great map soon :) --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus ^Talk 10:33, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

Zobacz Image:Polen 1921-1939.png i Image:Polen Galizien Wolhynien.png. Gosciu - chyba Niemiec robiacy mapki na niemiecka wiki - on chyba nie wie o twoich mapkach. Moze mozecie sobie wzajemnie pomoc w robieniu mapek, no i nie duplikowac swojej pracy. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus ^Talk 13:52, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

Ukraina i poludnie sa dosc malo wazne dla Dymitriad. Albo po prostu wypchnac legende na jakis bok i tym samym rozszerzyc format mapki. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus ^Talk 15:50, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

Found a printed (but in English) atlas, ed. Czapliński i Ładogórski ~1980. Zeskanuje i wysle ci wkrotce co sie da, niestety, nie miesci sie do mojego skanera. Goraco polecam jesli jeszcze nie masz! Na zbiorczej mapie jest tez mapa wojny 1609-1612, widze Tsarovo, Mozhajsk i inne bitwy :) --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus ^Talk 19:29, 6 August 2005 (UTC)

Any chance for a map of the Polish-Muscovy War? It is one of two things I think this article needs before it can be FACed. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus ^Talk 17:55, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

Mapka Dymitriady beta

Super :) Przydał yby się strzałki - szlaczki, i daty bitew. Moze trzy-cztery rodzaje (kolory?) szlaczkostrzałków dla odpowiednich podkampanii (1dym, 2dym, wojna 1609-1612, wojna 1616-17). Aha, zerknij tez na talk artykułu - wyguglałem gdzieś jeszcze z trzy miejsca, które moglby być warte naniesienia - gdyby ktoś to potwierdził :) Jak tylko będzie mapka, nominuje artykul do FACa :) --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus ^Talk 23:56, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

O przycięciu też myślałem, dobry pomysł. I faktycznie, najlepiej przyjąć granice sprzed Dywilna, zazanczyć zmiany terytorialne z dywilna jakims polski-ruskimi kreskami (zielono-rózowe), i darować sobie kreski/odcinenie na innych obszarach. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus ^Talk 00:02, 21 October 2005 (UTC)

Treaty of Dywilino + mapka z Dzikich Pól (skan na mojej stronie) powinny dać odpowiedź :) --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus ^Talk 00:22, 21 October 2005 (UTC)

Map skills

File:GhettosinPoland.gif

Halibutt, I know you have a rep for map making. I was wondering if there is any chance you could potentially do a GPL version of the Image:GhettosinPoland.gif (right), perhaps even combined with Image:Massdeportations.gif, or other information that might be useful. It would be very useful for the FA candidacy of History of the Jews in Poland, and potentially elsewhere as well. If you don't have time, that is fine, but I thought I would ask. --Goodoldpolonius2 01:43, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

partition of poland maps?

why have u ignored this and continue to do so for months? when your maps are shown to be completely wrong Jadger 02:02, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

Talk:Polish Secret State#Intro

FYI.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus ^Talk 17:34, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

Batory

Good job, although it is still far from FAC level. But at least it is no longer a stub - tnx. The monarch I am slowly working on is Władysław IV Waza - I am afraid I don't have that much material on Batory for now.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus ^Talk 03:45, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

Mniam :) Btw, I cannot see 'edit section' button on your talkpage - you may want to fix it (somehow...).--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus ^Talk 03:57, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

E-mail

Have you checked your e-mail lately? I had something of a sensitive nature to discuss and I didn't want to leave it on this page, because Wikipedia discussion pages show up on Google ;)--Joe 17:24, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

Citation needed w Cieszyn

Witam. Nie wiesz o co chodziło tej osobie, która podważyła fakt inwazji Czechosłowacji na Śląsk Cieszyński w 1919 roku? Czy to jest część tej "wojny polsko-ruskiej" co mi się ostatnio o uszy obiło? Czy moja riposta w Talk:Cieszyn jest wystarczająca, żeby skasować {{fact}} z tego artykułu? Aha i czy Euroregion Cieszyn Silesia nie ma złej kategorii? Zdravim, D T G 19:43, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

False Friends of the Slavist

Please have a look at wikibooks:False Friends of the Slavist. With your language skills, you can help us very much there, though there is not too much to be done. See also wikibooks:Talk:False Friends of the Slavist for details on what is still needed. Thanks in advance! --Daniel Bunčić 18:29, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

WP:POLMIL

Hi Halibutt, I know just the thing. There are a few cases where a number of Polish wars are squeezed into a single article. Maybe we could break them out into their own articles.

Appleseed (Talk) 15:25, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

your maps

Hey Halibutt, I have always admired your maps and was wondering what program you use? as they are very nice looking and could be useful if all users use a similar system. please respond on my user page --Jadger 01:28, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

Zdjęcia

Cześć. Oczywiście! Chętnie zapraszam do skorzystania ze zdjęć. Jestem zaszczycony :). Podoba mi się Twoje określenie (sarkastyczne) Polaków :)). --Vegalabs 21:42, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

List of Leopolitans

... is still huge and disproportinate to the rest of the article. Do you really mind spinning it off to a separate article and wikilink it? Several people think so (see this and this). Are you still persisting? --Irpen 00:13, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

Lwów oraz Kresy Wschodnie

Pozdrawiam. Spojrzałem na ten artykuł, wygląda fajnie, dodałem tylko jeden szablon "fact". Stworzyłem wczoraj też jakieś pieńki dotyczące miast dzisiejszej Ukrainy, dawniejszych polskich Kresów Wschodnich, jak np. Rawa Ruska, Podhajce lub Dolina. Jeśli będziesz kiedyś potrzebował pomocy lub będziesz chciał, żebym stworzył dalsze takie pieńki, to daj wiedzieć. - Darwinek 09:33, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

Pulkownik

What do you think about a proposal to merge Pulkownik, Polkovnyk, and Polkovnik into one article? See: Talk:Polkovnyk. Thanks. 03:11, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

Jadger, Mokra, PSC, and references

What do you think about Talk:Battle of Mokra? He has a point that controversial info needs to be referenced.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus ^Talk 18:07, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

Mam rację czy nie?

User talk:Aotearoa from Poland#Polish money images. Jest to o tyle pilne, że jak A. będzie kasował tagi, to wcześniej czy później jakiś bot wszystko pokasuje... --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus ^Talk 22:22, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

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Soviet treatment

Users Halibutt and Irpen should rejoice at this splendid news. In order to have an informative analysis of Soviet policies in occupied Poland during 1939-1941 I acquired a throughout scholary work on this issue, mainly Educational policy in occupied eastern areas of the Second Polish Republic in 1939-1941 by doctor Elżbieta Trela-Mazur(here are her qualifications[2] and the publication Forms of constraint applied by the Soviet authorities in relation to the people of Wilejka region by renoknown scholar of Slavic studies in Wrocław Professor Franciszek Sielicki. Both publications present an excellent analysis of Soviet occupation and are full of various interesting data. --Molobo 22:55, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Ciągle

Trwają próby wymazania informacji o zbrodniach w Złoczewie dokonanych przez German_17th_Infantry_Division. Jeśli możesz od czasu do czasu zerknąc na ten artykuł byłbym wdzięczny. --Molobo 17:50, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

Tak, trzeba uratować go. Dr. Dan 18:16, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

How come no "English please...", to Pan Molobo. Dr. Dan 18:20, 21 March 2006 (UTC) p.s. Ciągle, does best describe Pan Molobo's twisting of facts.

Chechnyan templates

See the discussion on the templates' talk pages, in particular Template talk:User independent Chechnya#Deletion. In a nutshell, both templates clearly serve no useful Wikipedia-related purpose. They are both about advocating causes which are external to Wikipedia and which no amount of editing on Wikipedia can bring about. The nature of the external conflict also means that the templates can easily become nothing more than flame bait, as demonstrated by the recent edit war. If someone wants to air their opinion about the situation in Chechnya, they can do so on their own blog or website. Wikipedia is not a soapbox. We're all far better off without those templates. --MarkSweep (call me collect) 21:22, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

Actually, you are wrong. Inflammatory templates can be deleted without further discussion (WP:CSD#T1). But in this case, there was discussion; see the talk page link above. In addition, deleting the templates served the additional purpose of ending the present edit war. --MarkSweep (call me collect) 21:48, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

How exactly have I taken sides in a conflict here? Deleting a template that does nothing but cause strife is completely neutral: everybody who was involved in the edit war over this template is now in exactly the same situation, nobody has any advantage. If I had protected it, one side would be bound to complain about m:The Wrong Version being protected. You have to admit it's a rather neat solution. --MarkSweep (call me collect) 22:45, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

I would suggest that recreating these templates at this time would be viewed by many as intentional disruption of Wikipedia, and would therefore be likely to get you blocked. Consider carefully before you act. Kelly Martin (talk) 22:02, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

Halibutt, as far as this template is concerned would you mind me telling you what I think of it? I think, it is a no brainer because we have a policy on that: What can I not have on my user page?. Quote:

"Examples of unrelated content include:

Personal statements that could be considered polemical, such as opinions on matters unrelated to Wikipedia

... if user page activity becomes disruptive to the community or gets in the way of the task of building an encyclopedia, it must be moderated."

Certainly the symbols that call for partitioning, or let me put it softer, "violating the territorial integrity" of this or that country fall under the both "polemical" and "disruptive" categories. At the same time, I thought that I won't interfere if you want to keep the content that is likely to be seen inflammatory by some of your other fellow editors. You, however, are wrong to complain that people get annoyed by that. This is exactly the reaction you should have expected. At the same time, I disagree with the template deletion anyway because it is useless as it can be, if not recreated, then replicated at the userpage. Just like it was done by user:Duca when his template was deleted, he just pasted its content to the user page directly. Not that there is anything wrong with wishing Chechens well. It's just that there are less controversial ways and places to do it. What one thinks is a call for freedom, others have reasons to think is a call for partition. Think of it this way: What was the OUN's pre-war mission in the Western Ukraine? BTW, they also called it a freedom fight and, besides, in a way they were right. For Poles, however, that was a call for dismemberment. It is just an example how people can see things differently, or at least insensitive, depending on the background. Whether Jimbo will consider taking actions against users who do that is up to him. IMO, removing such stuff is a good idea anyway since it just makes people's working together more difficult. Having said that, give another thought to your user page content if see what I say as possibly reasonable. --Irpen 04:09, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for bringing to my attention the Filaret's, Chernivtsi and Verkhovna Rada articles being unreferenced. I was surprised to see your interest in Filaret and other relatively obscure Ukrainian topics is so big that you are worried about his articles to a degree that you put a template calling to make them better. I am sure that you got to it not by stalking me or looking for the articles I wrote in order to somehow "retaliate" for the unrelated article's disputes but because you are genuinely interested in improving of the coverage of this notable church hierarch, notable building by Zabolotny (a great building by a great architect BTW) and an educational institutions in western Ukraine that was Austrian, Romanian and Ukrainian (but never Polish). I only hope that you are equally happy with my bringing to yours and communities attention some articles also lacking references or making some rather unobvious claims.

If (only if) your goal was to simply, god forbid, have my hands full with spending time on filling the "cite:book", "cite:web", "cite:news" and other templates instead of editing articles from which you want to expunge me, please just say so. I hope you don't mind that I just added the requests for references to several articles that you happened to have written (the latter is a bare coinsidence of course).

OTOH, I really have other things to do than to recite the info that every schoolboy in Ukraine and Russia knows (when you and others inappropriately saturated with tags the Kievan Rus and Cossack articles calling for sources of the info that most schoolchildren know in Ukraine). I hoped to call you all to reason at talk:Cossack abouth the ethics of such frivolous tagging but apparently, I failed to convince you yet. Any article can be disrupted by frivolous cite calls and any number of tags can be added to any article. With the number of unsourced articles you wrote and unsourced claims you made are you now going to put your editing aside and start referencing every claim you made in the articles to this day? If so, it is only fare from you to demand others to do the same. If not, please give it a thought one more time. Using "calls for citations" to simply get an upper hand in topical disputed is extremely unrpoductive (as well as image copyright issues which lef-appointed WP copyright police). --Irpen 05:24, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

Chełm

Can you record a voice sample for Chełm? That would be lovely, Thank you Roeeyaron 23:38, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

Polgish

Forgive my Polgish. I have a very high regard for you and you contributions. I couldn't resist using your admonition to two Lithuanian editors who were making exchanges in the Lithuanian language, on the Lithuania article, or was it the Lithuanian National Anthem, (I've been going back a year or so, to see how the game has been played, and by whom). Your interjection was "English please." Thought you'd appreciate the irony. Besides, I'm sure that Pan Molobo can handle himself without the help he's seeking from some network, inspite of his fears and lack of confidence in himself. Dr. Dan 01:59, 22 March 2006 (UTC) Geez what is the most irritating thing Westerns do is calling everybody "Pan". Please stop it as it is very archaic and ridicolous. Also I wonder why all people that discuss with me never bring any scholary sources but throughout analysis of my personality. --Molobo 02:29, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Guess why, Molobo?!

Pan is archaic? Pan is ridiculous? What do you prefer, Comrade maybe? Jeez, BTW, comes from Jesus, and I thought you were a proud Atheist. How about guzik, wouldn't that be more comfortable and appropriate. Dr. Dan 02:50, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Pan is archaic? Pan is ridiculous? Yes it is. Only in special formal occasions it is used. Just take a word of advice from native speaker. You don't use it in casual talk when adressing other people. Jeez, BTW, comes from Jesus, and I thought you were a proud Atheist. I am neither proud or shy about it, however I see no reason not to use words associated with my cultural heritage(just like Fallaci btw). Btw Is this a dating agency ? I feel like it sometimes with all those questions about my beliefs, personal life, views, and psychology. Perhaps you should stick to discussing articles ok ? --Molobo 03:13, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Pan is not archaic and I shall defend honorificative forms of the Polish language till the last drop of blood in my veins :) I call my colleagues pan or panna and consider it a standard procedure. Other than that, gentlemen, please take your chatter out of my talk page. Not that I really had anything against it, but it seems to me it's a dispute between you two and your talk pages would be even better for contacting each other. Or am I wrong? //Halibu tt 05:41, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

You are not wrong, on two points, 1. Pan is not archaic, and 2. the chatter shouldn't be on your talk page. Sorry Dr. Dan 15:42, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

You speak Russian a bit?

Could you translate what this poster has written on it: http://www.rustrana.ru/articles/7198/polsha-z.jpg I would be most gratefull. --Molobo 02:29, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

And if you want to have fun a bit [[3] The insolent predatory plans of Polish rebels and European interference worried Russian society. Just one sentence on how peace loving tsar was attacked by hatefull Polish Catholics and tried all he could to bring peace in 1861 Uprising. This was btw given by one of Russian contributors as a site devoted to unity of "Slavic people". Have a good night. --Molobo 02:39, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Finnish CoA

You got me wrong. You can upload any version you like to anywhere. However, please do not overwrite my work. It is a part of a bigger project (check it here and you're not helping it with your work. You can pick any other location for the file you create, why use the one that's already taken? //Halibu tt 16:39, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

OK, now the corrected vesion is saved with another name, and used in the Finland article, where there were opposition (on talk) against your original version: 1 - the pointrd bottom (a clear error), 2 - the "artsy" reflection, which we believe doesn't fit in the infobox. Usually corrected versions are loaded over old ones, but I had no idea of your larger project. Greetings, --Janke | Talk 09:53, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Userboxes (This text is in Polish)

Trzeba coś zrobić z polityką dotyczącą Userboxów. Nie może być tak, że Userbox za niepodległą Czeczenią jest traktowany jako szerzenie nienawiści, a np. za Serbską Republiką Krajina czy Krajem Basków - nie. Skoro administratorzy nie chcą się zgodzić na przywrócenie Userboxów - pozostaje zwrocić się z prośbą o usunięcie WSZYSTKICH userboxów dotyczących polityki regionalnej (albo nawet wszystkich dotyczących polityki). Co myślisz o tym? Pozdrawiam Jasra 09:59, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

New slander

Pan Halibutt, your calling me a "nationalist" on the pages of other editors is outrageous. The only nationalists posting on this page are yourself and Molobo. I've asked you to restrain your nationalism and Russophobia too many times to count. As you seem to ignore my admonitions and WP:CIVIL, please remember that your rudeness may get you blocked. --Ghirla ^-трёп- 10:48, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

My reply to Ghirlandajo was posted at his talk page, though it was deleted the following minute. //Halibu tt 14:46, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Well, if Ipren won't do anything (see my comments at User_talk:Irpen#List_of_Leopolitans), I'll pursue an RfA for him as stated. I hate wasting time on such things, but if current Ghirla 'cycle of activity' continues to approach old Zvin (in terms of wasting my time with the need to rv his vandalism) I'll chose the lesser of two evils and bring his case to the community. I hope he will come to his senses and stop being a pest (I don't think he would ever apologise...) but if not, than he is going to reap what he saw. Btw: either your page is fixed or it's a problem with my comp/Mozilla (I am using Firefox at another comp and your talk page is just fine now).--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus ^Talk 17:07, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

For some excellent thoughts on the nature of nationalism, I warmly recommend Orwell's Notes on Nationalism. It seems to apply very well to some contributors. I quote a few relevant excerpts.

A nationalist is one who thinks solely, or mainly, in terms of competitive prestige. He may be a positive or a negative nationalist -- that is, he may use his mental energy either in boosting or in denigrating -- but at any rate his thoughts always turn on victories, defeats, triumphs and humiliations. He sees history, especially contemporary history, as the endless rise and decline of great power units, and every event that happens seems to him a demonstration that his own side is on the upgrade and some hated rival is on the downgrade. But finally, it is important not to confuse nationalism with mere worship of success. The nationalist does not go on the principle of simply ganging up with the strongest side. On the contrary, having picked his side, he persuades himself that it is the strongest, and is able to stick to his belief even when the facts are overwhelmingly against him. Nationalism is power-hunger tempered by self-deception. Every nationalist is capable of the most flagrant dishonesty, but he is also -- since he is conscious of serving something bigger than himself -- unshakeably certain of being in the right.

Some traits of a nationalist:

OBSESSION. As nearly as possible, no nationalist ever thinks, talks, or writes about anything except the superiority of his own power unit. It is difficult if not impossible for any nationalist to conceal his allegiance. The smallest slur upon his own unit, or any implied praise of a rival organization, fills him with uneasiness which he can relieve only by making some sharp retort. If the chosen unit is an actual country, such as Ireland or India, he will generally claim superiority for it not only in military power and political virtue, but in art, literature, sport, structure of the language, the physical beauty of the inhabitants, and perhaps even in climate, scenery and cooking. He will show great sensitiveness about such things as the correct display of flags, relative size of headlines and the order in which different countries are named. Nomenclature plays a very important part in nationalist thought.

[...]

Every nationalist is haunted by the belief that the past can be altered. He spends part of his time in a fantasy world in which things happen as they should -- in which, for example, the Spanish Armada was a success or the Russian Revolution was crushed in 1918 -- and he will transfer fragments of this world to the history books whenever possible. Much of the propagandist writing of our time amounts to plain forgery. Material facts are suppressed, dates altered, quotations removed from their context and doctored so as to change their meaning. Events which it is felt ought not to have happened are left unmentioned and ultimately denied. In 1927 Chiang Kai Shek boiled hundreds of Communists alive, and yet within ten years he had become one of the heroes of the Left. The re-alignment of world politics had brought him into the anti-Fascist camp, and so it was felt that the boiling of the Communists "didn't count", or perhaps had not happened. The primary aim of progaganda is, of course, to influence contemporary opinion, but those who rewrite history do probably believe with part of their minds that they are actually thrusting facts into the past. When one considers the elaborate forgeries that have been committed in order to show that Trotsky did not play a valuable part in the Russian civil war, it is difficult to feel that the people responsible are merely lying. More probably they feel that their own version was what happened in the sight of God, and that one is justified in rearranging the records accordingly.

Overall a very interesting read. Balcer 17:30, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

Very interesting indeed! Dr. Dan 17:39, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

Armia Krajowa

Mógłbyś to rozszerzyć tak aby miało bardziej obiektywny charakter ?: [4] Moje edycje sprowadzają różnych ludzi a nie chce z tego artykułu robić kolejnej wojny. --Molobo 14:13, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Userboxes and other nasty things

I have noticed other nasty things. When I left a pm to Ghirlandajo I have noticed that it has been removed. I wrote that I will report him to the administrator and I received a message from an administrator that he had right to do so (you can look at my discussion page and at the history of Ghirla's page, BTW - he did the same with your message).

I have seen your boxes at the discussion page and I can see what you mean. I have simply written a text on my page and so far no one has vandlised it, but it can be just a matter of time. I am unhappy about the fact that Wikipedia is clearly biassed towards the Great Russia and not allowing other points of view. This could be the only consistent interpretation. I do not like the idea of banning all the regional policy userboxes, but I think it might be a lesser evil. So far I do not know what to do - write to Jimbo Wales asking him to explain the rules of policy on userboxes or leaving this as it is and waiting for the time Great Russian Patriots and their sympathisers have their examination session. Regards, Jasra 15:23, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Re: Pan, Pani

I'm not sure if you know that I live in Chicago, and have an enormous opportunity to speak Polish in my associations at work, shopping, and elsewhere. Thanks to the Jagiellonian University, I feel that I speak Polish fairly fluently, and I wish I could write better. As an American without Polish roots, I am proud of my associations with Poland and Polish culture. My travels in Poland, chiefly by automobile, took me from Jelenia Gora to Bialystok, and from Szeczecin to Krosno, and lots of places in between these points too. Frankly I'm not aware of any other form of address other than Pan or Pani, as the only time I ever saw comrade was on PPZR posters, and "Wy", when there were more than one persons involved. I was recently talking with some patients at the hospital, who are new immigrants from Poland, and asked them if anything has changed, causing the forms Pan and Pani to be discarded. They assured me that this is not the case. Is there some "movement" trying to do away with them? Dr. Dan 16:51, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Very interesting as I've been using Panienka and Panna without issue. So what does a 15-30 y.o. Polish male want to be called, if they say, don't Pan me? Dr. Dan 17:15, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

As usuall

[5] --Molobo 19:48, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Sokół motorcycles

Napiszę po polsku bo tylko ten język (i śląski) umiem płynnie. Dlaczego upierasz się przy swojej wersji?

Jest jeden artykuł o sokole na polskiej wikipedii
W przypadku polskiego motoru jeden artykuł na polskiej wikipedii standaryzuje ilość artykułów na innych wikipediach na ten temat
Motor Sokół jest jeden, reszta to modele - podobnie jest np. z samochodem Syrena 100 czy 101 czy 105 - są to różne modele tego samego i jest jeden artykuł
Link (pl:Sokół 1000) jest błędny bo nie ma takiego artykułu

Wszystko wskazuje na to, że to ja mam rację. A, że się znam na polskiej motoryzacji to proszę zostaw już ten artykuł z pokoju. LUCPOL 20:05, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Award

Hi, I noticed you hadn't had an award for a while, so I'm just dropping of this. Regards, --Latinus 22:41, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

The Tireless Contributor Barnstar

Halibutt is the Tireless Contributor Barnstar for his many quality contributions to Poland related articles. --Latinus 22:41, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

As usuall again

[6] --Molobo 19:15, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

Przydatne żródła

Ten numer biuletynu IPN ma artykuły które mogą okazać się dość przydatne przy obecnej dyskusji nad historią Polski 1939-1945: http://www.ipn.gov.pl/biuletyn7.html Dla przykładu: http://www.ipn.gov.pl/biuletyn/7/biuletyn7_7.html REPRESJE NKWD WOBEC MIESZKAŃCÓW STREFY PRZYGRANICZNEJ 1939-1941

http://www.ipn.gov.pl/biuletyn/7/biuletyn7_9.html Janusz Wróbel, OBEP IPN Łódź WYZWOLICIELE CZY OKUPANCI? ŻOŁNIERZE SOWIECCY W ŁÓDZKIEM 1945-1946

Polecam przeczytać. Zwłaszcze interesująca jest skala grabieży i napadów dokonywana przez Sowietów na zwykłych obywatelach. --Molobo 23:53, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

Halibutt don't despair. You will be surprised how many topics we discuss are already covered by IPN :)

--Molobo 00:07, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

To też się przyda : http://www.ipn.gov.pl/biuletyn11_34.pdf O sowieckich represjach wobec Polaków ze Sławomirem Kalbarczykiem, Tomaszem Łabuszewskim i Kazimierzem Krajewskim rozmawia Barbara Polak --Molobo 00:55, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

See Catherine

Article Catherine the Great. Russian users insist on avoiding information on annexation performed by Catherine instead insisting that she "absorbed" lands of Lithuania, Belarus, Ukraine etc. --Molobo 13:31, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

one contributor

Czesc, Halibutt! Jak sie masz? ;) Just wanted to point this out: Wikipedia contributor Kuban coSSack's talking about dictatorial ruler Lukashenka (who massively and monstrously falsified the vote) and today's storming of the October square, when hundreds of special police arrested peaceful demonstrators, totally destoryed the camp, threw empty vodka bottles into the mess and videotaped that for Belarusan state television. Here's Kuban coSSack's comment about this police action and break-up of a peaceful protest, which took place at 3AM so that there would be no witnesses of their activity:

Dear fellow Wikipedians, do you understand that the only purpose of his contributions on articles about Belarus (such as Belarusian language, Belarusian history, Belarus, etc.) is to push Russian imperial POV and lies? Please, see history and talk pages of the Belarus-related articles. Should WP community do something about it? --rydel 16:41, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

Polish Stadium Stubs

No problem on starting the stubs on some Polish stadiums. I'm currently trying to get as many stadiums throughout the world complete. Patken4 00:55, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

Pytanko

Zdjęcia z www.solidarity.gov.pl podpadają pod {{PolandGov}}? Jakiś postęp z negocjacjami?--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus ^Talk 03:30, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

Katyn strange russian sources?

Can you check the recent additions? A source that gives <2k Katyn deaths seems like some Russian version of a Stalin Society to me, but I cannot verify it (and I use Mozilla, not Ffox so I cannot use the plugin you suggested).--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus ^Talk 16:54, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

See also the massacre of defenceless Russian soldiers in Warsaw, 1794. Russian refs again.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus ^Talk 22:51, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

A humble request

Greetings, Halibutt, I was wondering if you might find it possible to translate a Polish paragraph into English for me? This is perhaps an odd request, but I hope you will not mind too much... thank you Deleuze 19:22, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

Ogg template

Hello! I'd like to inform you that I have used your Template:Halibutt Copyright Ogg from the Commons as a basis for my Template:Olessi Copyright Ogg, if you don't mind. I recently started making some .ogg files based on your suggestions to Renata at the beginning of the year. Olessi 01:52, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

Please see this

http://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Russsian_claims_about_Warsaw_Uprising_1794 The author tries to put information from non-objective source as objective article. The source is from Imperial Russia regarding Polish uprising against its occupation. Imperial Russia was known for fabricating and being source of many antipolish fabrications. Because I didn't want to delete this(no blanking) I moved it to a proper article that would deal with claim. --Molobo 03:06, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

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Prawo autorskie

Czy wciąż potrzebujesz tych ustaw? (ewentualnie napisz pibwl@poczta.onet.pl, a przyślę Ci na maila) (BTW: podoba mi się szablon: This user supports the Democratic Party, or whatever their current name is. ;-) Pibwl [[User_talk:Pibwl|talk]] 20:41, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

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Military history WikiProject Newsletter, Issue I

The Military history WikiProject Newsletter
Issue I - March 2006

Project news

An independent military history peer review has been created for the benefit of the project. A number of articles have already been reviewed, receiving significantly more feedback within the project than they did on the generic peer review page.
The project's Collaboration of the Fortnight got off to a great start with Ferdinand Foch and is now focusing on the military history of Spain.
Two new task forces—dealing with warfare during classical antiquity and the Middle Ages—have been created.
An effort to build a catalogue of high-quality maps for use in military history articles is now underway.
The newly-formed translation department is looking for volunteers to help with translating featured articles from other-language Wikipedias.

From the Coordinators

Welcome to the inaugural issue of the Military history WikiProject's newsletter! We hope that this new format will help members—especially those who may be unable to keep up with some of the rapid developments that tend to occur—find new groups and programs within the project that they may wish to participate in.

Please consider this inital issue to be a prototype; as always, any comments and suggestions are quite welcome, and will help us improve the newsletter in the coming months.

Kirill Lok s hin, Lead Coordinator

Current proposals

Proposed guidelines for categories of military people are currently being discussed. A number of issues have already been resolved, but the proposed scheme is still in draft form and further input would be very welcome.

delivered by Loopy ^e 04:58, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

Dr. Dan Talk Page

Halibutt, we were involved in a discussion about a month ago re: Victories and Defeats. I finally put some of my thoughts together today, on my talk page, under Very Unhappy Dr. Dan. Please take a peek, when you can. Dr. Dan 02:51, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

Jan Kilinski Talk Page

Thank you for your recent reply concerning the PLW. Will get back to you on that. In the meantime, I left you a response to our geographical debate, on the Kilinski talk page. Wondering if you see any merit in my contention? Dr. Dan 18:27, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

Polish Government site pictures

Can you give me an estimate when you expect an answer about image use from the Polish Government on images in Category: Polish government site pictures, so we can leave as is or start moving to fair use tags or deleting? -Thanks Nv8200p talk 18:48, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Ribbons

You may want to join the debate. --Cool Cat^Talk|@ 16:52, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

If You Have Time

Jan Kilinski Talk Page, again. Dr. Dan 18:34, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

Request

Hi Halibutt,

I've been (foolishly) trying to get in touch with you on your Wikimedia page for the past few days. My name is Fernanda Viégas and I am running a survey of image contributors to Wikipedia. I noticed that you have contributed a series of pictures and maps to the site. It would be great if you could participate in this survey (you can find the questionnaire here). I am hoping to get all the responses to the survey by this Thursday, April 6th. Do you think you would be able to participate? Thanks! — Fernanda 22:08, 4 April 2006 (UTC) | talk

Re:Skorpion

A zdjęcia robić można?--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus ^Talk 00:05, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Warto zobaczyć tą dyskusję

[7] --Molobo 11:02, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Polish death camps and Polish concentration camps merge

Look here: [[8]] The two articles should be merged. --Molobo 12:10, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Morsztyn

Thanks for the improvements in the Morsztyn, article. Needed some copy edits, and yours were better. The section WORKS needs some more work too (no pun intended), I don't know enough about his works to do it properly myself. Enjoyed his poem about the bee in amber. Would enjoy reading it in Polish, too. Dr. Dan 17:49, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Hello, I read your piece on Mauthausen and I was surprised to see that you think some prisoners "were bled to death and their blood sent to the eastern front". As many prisoners were suffering from horrible diseases their blood would have been tainted, would it not? To keep blood from congealing it would have to be refrigerated, of course. How did they do that?

I have searched far and wide for any kind of evidence supporting this, but have found nothing. I have contacted a lot of official sources and they can also find nothing about this. Where did you find it?

Thanks,

Andreasegde

Mauthausen

Thanks for the reply!

I found this:

motlc.wiesenthal.com/site/ pp.asp?c=gvKVLcMVIuG&b=395115 - 38k –

The available Mauthausen inmate statistics from the spring of 1943 show 2,400 prisoners below the age of 20, 12.8 percent of the 18,655 inmate population. (For our concern, the cut-off age of 20 is too high; however, it does give some indications about the number of juveniles present.) By late March 1945, the number of juvenile prisoners in Mauthausen increased to 15,048, 19.1 percent of the 78,547 Mauthausen inmates. The number of incarcerated children increased 6.2 times, whereas the total number of prisoners in the same period multiplied by a factor of only four.20 These numbers reflect the increasing use of Polish, Czech, Russian, and Balkan teenagers as slave labour as the war continued. Statistics showing the composition of the juvenile inmates shortly before liberation reveal the following major child prisoner subgroups: 5,809 foreign civilian labourers; 5,055 political prisoners; 3,654 Jews; and 330 Russian POWs. There were also 23 gypsy children, 20 a-socials, 6 Spaniards, and 3 Jehovah's Witnesses.21 Mauthausen's children are probably representative for the composition of child prisoners in the camps after 1940.

andreasegde

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DYK Treatment

I've created the Treatment of the Polish citizens by the occupants article. I think it would be nice to DYK it - can you think of a sufficiently NPOVed 'did you know that...'?--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus ^Talk 23:35, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

SPW again

Regarding whose invasion it was depends on the view what event was part of the the war and what was pre-war skirmishes. Britannica, summarising mainstream view on what events are considered part of the war writes:[9]

Russo-Polish War (1919–20), military conflict between Soviet Russia and Poland, which sought to seize Ukraine... Although there had been hostilities between the two countries during 1919, the conflict began when the Polish head of state Józef Pilsudski formed an alliance with the Ukrainian nationalist leader Symon Petlyura (April 21, 1920) and their combined forces began to overrun Ukraine, occupying Kiev on May 7...

This was discussed in the past at several talk pages. --Irpen 00:41, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

Powała z Tczewa

Powała z Taczewa Xx236 12:13, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

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Czeski Cieszyn

Cześć. Mógłbyś zajrzeć na artykuł o Czeskim Cieszynie? Jakiś wandal stale kłócił się ze mną i w końcu dodał tam szablon NPOV. Chciałbym znać twoje zdanie, czy myślisz, że artykuł jest naprawdę nieobjektywny. Dzięki. -- Darwinek 20:39, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

STOP!!!!

.. editing Mauthausen just for a sec till I get my edit in... :-) Mozzerati 21:38, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

If I knew my edits would take so long then I would have done it differently :-) Go ahead and edit now; please check that your changes are intact. At least one section ( /*The camp system/) has a change which I can't work out what's missing.. Mozzerati 22:16, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

Renaming

Please take a look at User_talk:Piotrus#Renaming and comment if you want. --Irpen 19:52, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Mauthausen

I was extremely busy this week, and my contribs to wikipedia drpped sharply. This article requires careful reading before I can make any reasonable suggestions. One thing, though, is IMO doable: a sketch of history (open/.../expanded/.../liberated/.../memorial/...). `'mikka (t) 02:15, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

Happy Easter

If you celebrate Easter, Happy Easter. If you don't, Best wishes, as always, anyway. Dr. Dan 03:40, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

Oh so vibrant colourful revolutions

Something to ponder for Kalinin/Milinkevich and Timoshenko/Yushchenko, but also Balcerowicz oligarchic apologists. Cheers! -Smbdy PS Main players in bold.

Freedom wars

Hi, I am currently working on this article and I got lost at one point: how does the war against Bolsheviks fit into the bigger picture of Polish-Soviet war? I hope you could help me out a little. Renata 01:29, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Ok, let me be a little more specific. As far as I understand Lithuania had about 18,000 men army in 1919. Now in Polish-Soviet was we are talking about 100,000's of men. If bolsheviks wanted they could have crushed Lithuania in no time. Why didn't it happen? Any thoughts? Renata 03:40, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

your airtemp variant

What you're working on has a couple problems. By changing the parameter names, you make all existing references to {{airtemp}} incompatible with your infobox. Also, the style you're using isn't the accepted infobox look - seen at {{Infobox Company}} and other mainstream examples.

As I mentioned at WT:Air, it would make a lot more sense to create a summary-type infobox like that used in most articles. Some users actually hide infoboxes via css, so using one for aircraft specs will leave giant portions of the article missing. There are some other issues, which Ingoolemo (talk · contribs) and I have raised at the project talk page as well. Anyway, I hope you'll see where we're coming from with this. ericg ✈ 22:06, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Save yourself considerable time and leave the Airtemp issue alone, and please seek WP:Air consensus before you make any alterations to the layout of aircraft pages. - Emt147 ^Burninate! 00:17, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

Table demonstration

Allow me to demonstrate why WP:Air is so opposed to the tables. Visit a page still using the table, like P-59 Airacomet. Change your screen resolution to 640x480 or 800x600 (as commonly used by libraries, elderly, and people with slow computers). Note how the table completely obliterates the text. - Emt147 ^Burninate! 00:23, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

I just tried the pages you mentioned. At 800x600, the table takes up more than half the screen width. At 640x480 it basically obliterates the text. - Emt147 ^Burninate! 01:06, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, the number of people who use 640x480 is close to zero these days. Check any page stats. (replied at your talk page) //Halibu tt 01:26, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

WP:Air infobox alternative - please consider

Look, I think you'd find the going a lot easier if you agreed to work on a summary infobox rather than a specifications one. I personally would not place it in articles, but I would also not have a problem with its creation and use. I can't speak for the rest of the project members, but I have a feeling it would be a much more satisfactory situation, and it would have the bonus of being in line with what infoboxes are best used for - a quick summary of information. ericg ✈ 01:46, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

Okay, that's good news. Your initial announcement made it sound much more aggressive. (Keep in mind that {{airtemp}} is not actually temporary. The layout has been in use for over a year and a half, and is unlikely to change. The name comes from air template, and has nothing to do with its permanence.) ericg ✈ 01:50, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

No problem - when I first joined wikipedia I inadvertently got into a couple, shall we say, 'tangles'. So, with this sort of thing I assume good faith and try to clarify or convince as necessary. If you're going to duplicate {{airtemp}} bits, I'd suggest you use the same parameters (ie |length main= rather than |length imperial=) as it will make copy/paste easier and allow for imperial or metric units to be primary as needed. The system we have now is actually quite sophisticated and the result of a lot of discussion and testing. ericg ✈ 01:54, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

If you don't mind, I'm pretty skilled with templates - the new #if code is a much better system than the old hiddenStructure hack, and I'm familiar with the existing airtemp code. I'm going to do a quick edit so you see what I'm talking about - revert if you like. ericg ✈ 02:02, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

Here's the thing - not all aircraft use metric units as their primary unit - specifying which comes first tells the reader which is the primary unit. That's important in terms of accuracy and as a reference. Also, if you start a stub with your infobox and it later is large enough to allow a conversion to the WP:Air system, then a simple copy/paste will allow an editor to swap the infobox from a full details+specs layout to a brief summary, with specs at the end. ericg ✈ 02:06, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

If we're to be taken seriously as a reference, it does matter. It's part of wp:air's agreed page content, so I hope you'll do us the kindness of following it. I'm working on the adaptation of your infobox at User:Halibutt/Infobox Aircraft. ericg ✈ 02:18, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

It was the topic of much discussion, and consensus arrived at the method we now use. It's not a gigantic change, and is something that manufacturers do alter as time goes on - many British manufacturers, for example, now list specs in metric units that once used imperial. ericg ✈ 02:24, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

Really, it's not my call. I do think it's a valid choice, but for the record using main and alt makes more sense anyway - what if the units are something that isn't metric or imperial, like PS (german horsepower)? It's not that much more confusing - you're typing in "# ft # in" or "#.## m" anyway. Progress continues at user:ericg/Infobox Aircraft. ericg ✈ 02:48, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

I've got a clean, standard-style infobox up at user:ericg/Infobox Aircraft. It's got m:parserFunctions code up to the powerplant section, allowing as much or as little info as possible. Two examples are up at this test page, showing the full and minimal usage. ericg ✈ 03:11, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

Mauthausen-Gusen concentration camp review

I just thought to review the article:

The lead is too short. It should be at least twice the length.
Please add a location map, and a scheme of the camps (I know you are a map maker)
The article desperately needs some sort of table or scheme or timeline or something of the sub-camps. It is darn confusing to navigate through them: the intro says 50, later in the article I find number 101, and then another article, list of sub-camps, lists about 70.
Points need to separate. For example, don’t talk about arrival of new prisoners when talking about industrial production. Also there are many side-stories (eg about Edda Scheer) which distract from the main points.
“every conceivable horror was perpetrated on the inmates” is a pure 100% POV.

Good luck. Hope it’s useful. Renata 02:54, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

A little note: I wrote all those comments from point of view of a person who has no clue whatsoever about the camps and who hasn't been going back and forth to check for various details. I tried to make it KISS principle. I will reply to comments in detail tommorow and I plan (fingers crossed) to go over language improving flow sometime this weekend. And I think you want to take your comment back :) Renata 01:03, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

I will take a look later on today (right now I am writing another article). But for now I leave you alone so you can do what your real life demands :) Renata 16:52, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

Wow, nice changes. I took a look and changed some language. Hope no facts were distorted, please feel to disagree and change stuff back. I think the first heading should be done :) Renata 03:53, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

I will leave the camp alone so you could write and I could sleep ;) Happy student days and unhappy all-nighters.... Renata 04:23, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

It wasn't exactly converted into a labour camp on May 8, 1939.
- Well, the whole thing is not clear. Now you give a very exact date and don't explain what happened there. Solution: either remove exact date and leave something like "spring 1939" or explain fully what belongs where and why.
east of the city of Linz sounds better to me than east of Linz city. I'm not a native speaker though.
- See, your and mine, and DeirYassin's (especially) and many other non-native speakers' problem is that we are all using complicated grammar structures with tons of "of, which, that, there, here, etc." Why have a bunch of meaningless little words that clutter sentences and hide meaning? If you noticed, I deleted some of those clutters from other places.
Nazi Germany... I generally dislike the term.
- Me, controrary, likes the term :) Why? Because it somewhat explains: why were they exterminating Jews? Because they were Nazis (and not because they were just Germans).
If I were you I would add the {seealso|Vernichtung durch Arbeit} link back.
- Personal preference, really. But for me that spot is exlusively reserved for {main}. The term is linked anyways.

- By the way, the article has too many 'the.' Renata 14:52, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Ugh, when do you sleep? :) Renata 17:46, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I saw. It's gotta wait till Friday. Renata 12:59, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your help with Wikipedia:Peer review/Mauthausen-Gusen concentration camp. I really appreciate it. BTW, I replied to some of your points and would be glad if you dropped in and took a look at my request for clarification.

Thank you. I'll take a look. — RJH 17:58, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

Portal:Germany/New article announcements

I have announced your new stubs about the companies using Mauthausen slave labor at this page. If you create more articles related to Germany, please add them to the announcement page. Thank you, and happy editing, Kusma (討論) 02:55, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

request, 2

I'm not sure what went wrong with our collaboration – I was under the impression that we could arrive at a solution that worked for all parties - but if you're going to make snide comments at WT:Air, please at least read the entire discussion before making assumptions. Your latest remarks have taken place after we have arrived at a compromise with AzaToth (talk · contribs), and while we are working on what will be included in an {{Infobox Aircraft}}. Most of the project will probably not use it, but if one is to exist we would like to have input on it - as was the case with your own proposal. I don't understand why you find this so unacceptable. ericg ✈ 20:32, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

I appreciate the opinion you hold me in - I try to do my best to be accommodating, after some early foul-ups ;). I also want to apologize for the behavior directed at you in WT:Air. There is a sense of ownership, which I'm afraid is a side-effect of the wikiproject concept, but I'd like to think that overall it is a positive benefit. We care about how our content looks, which tends to fuel some heated opinions. Still, I've managed to convince the majority to favor cooperation with an infobox concept; we're currently taking a straw poll about whether or not to adopt the (summary-only) {{Infobox Aircraft}} that I worked on with AzaToth (talk • contribs) as a project-sanctioned template. The current tally is 3 support, 0 oppose, and I would really appreciate it if you'd come back to vote or give your input.

The Polish content you were going to work on will be appreciated by the whole project, and by Wikipedia's readership as well - please don't abandon something that everyone will benefit from because of one heated discussion. I hope to see your input soon. ericg ✈ 18:12, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

revier

I removed redlinks to revier while giving explanations of the term. Now it came to my mind that it is possible you were going to write the Revier article. Is it so? In any case such an article would make sense, since KZ sick bays do deserve a description and there is quite a few things to be written about them. `'mikka (t)

There is also a conference talk The language of the Nazi concentration camps: issues in rhetoric, politics and ethics by Michael Dorland, unfortunately not online; only abstract. `'mikka (t) 00:33, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

CONCENTRATION CAMP DICTIONARY `'mikka (t) 00:38, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

KL versus KZ Mauthausen

I changed the name from KL to KZ. All the camps were called KZs in Austria. Not logical, but I checked it out.

andreasegde 17:08, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Getting Back to You

Halibutt, how are you? I have been meaning to get back to you on a couple of questions you posed to me, but they require time and analysis. I've been busy, so all I'm able to do is snip and snipe at Wiki from time to time. I want to give your matters a little more concentration, and do them some justice, so bear with me. Hope you are enjoying this lovely Spring. Dr. Dan 03:16, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

Ziemkiewicz

Witam, Halibutt. The article Rafał_A._Ziemkiewicz sais that he is one of the most popular Polish science-fiction authors, but sais nothing about his books. Could you expand the article, saying may be a phrase or two about each of his major works? (Of course, if you'll have enough time and will for it.) Btw, I've found in russian Śpiąca królewna (and nothing else). Just began reading, but it seems to be good, real fantasy. ellol 12:07, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

Just another RFA thank you note

Dear Halibutt, I really appreciate your vote and your kind words in my RFA. It has passed with an unexpected 114/2/2 and I feel honored by this show of confidence in me. Cheers! ←Humus sapiens ^ну? 04:26, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Cats

Hi Halibutt, just wanted to let you know that I removed cats "Battles of Germany" and "Battles of the Soviet Union" from "Battles of the Polish September Campaign". Neither Germany or the SU took part in all the battles of that war, so I think this type of categorization is confusing. Appleseed (Talk) 21:29, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Thank you!

For the ape :) It's like the nicest thing I got on Wikipedia! (sorry, MG will have to wait till Saturday, I desperatly need sleep and I want to give it enough thougts). Renata 22:13, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Well, right now I have time, but not brainpower to work on MG (i.e. cannot concentrate on the subject). Minor wording games aside, I would oppose FAC for the main three reasons:

Last section on liberation needs to be reorganized much like the beginning
List on notable inmates is too red (suggest limiting and cutting down)
And hardest to fix thing, it lacks something. The article is too self-contained: it goes into all those nitty gritty details and completely forgets the "bigger picture." It lacks how it fits into the rest of the world. See, I cannot even adequatly explain what I mean... But most likely, it just needs to expand on aftermath. Renata 19:23, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Since you seem awefully quit, http://english.pobediteli.ru/, an awesome presentation! Renata 13:56, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

You would not believe how successful I am getting myself into a trouble. This week was supposed to be my "holiday" from work and studies, devoted completely for relaxation and maybe some WP projects. Yeah, right. I got myself upto eyeballs deep in organizing this huge event on Thursday... So the earliest I could do a thing for WP or MG is Friday, but likely I will sleeping the whole day. I just slept 3 hours and back to the event planning and pulling it together! Aghghrrr... :) Renata 13:27, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

LOL. Look, Halibutt has a sense of humor! :P Renata 05:46, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

GG

W końcu nie pamiętam - masz czy nie? Bo ja już tlena nie używam, a chciałbym ci niekiedy jakieś info podesłać szybko...--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus ^Talk 16:38, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

Military history WikiProject Newsletter - Issue II

The April 2006 issue of the project newsletter is now out. You may read this issue or change the format in which future issues will be delivered to you by following the link. Thanks. Kirill Lok s h in 18:43, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

Mediation request

Sorry that I have neglected to respond further to Piotrus' request for mediation, back at the end of March. I've been drawn away from Wikipedia by other responsibilities and don't expect to spend much time back here for a while yet. Apologies and best regards, —Michael Z. 2006-05-03 15:20 Z

AL and GL

GL and AL in the Secret state? ????????????? Xx236 09:51, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

GL and AL didn't belong to the Polish state They rather opposed it. Xx236 06:47, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

AL and GL were Soviet organizations, even if the majority of their members were Polish. Their goal was to construct Communist Poland, even if many of their members weren't aware of it. They informed the Nazi authorities about some Home Army activities, killed members of other organizations, collected data about Polish activists for the NKVD. 09:28, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

AL and GL weren't parts of the Polish underground state. See the definition in the Polish article. Xx236 12:54, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Stephen IX (or X)

Hi,

I read what you wrote on Talk:Władysław II Jagiełło about the attempt to rename the page into Wladyslaw II/V of Poland, Jogaila of Lithuania, and I agree totally with you. I think as rule there can't be more than one variant of a name in the title of an article. If more than one variant is possible, the title must chose only one and the others must be explained in the text itself and redirects must be used from alternative titles. If such alternative titles were admitted in the article's title itself, then we'd have to rename, for examples, Stepanakert into Stepanakert/Xankəndi, Tighina into Tighina/Bender/Bendery or 2003 invasion of Iraq into 2003 invasion/liberation of Iraq...

I am myself implicated in a very long and endless debate which is, I think, similar to this one. It's about the need to rename the article Pope Stephen X into Pope Stephen IX, and so on until Pope Stephen III into Pope Stephen II. The historical reasons of this naming problem are detailed in Pope-elect Stephen. Those historical facts are not the matter of the debate. Everybody agrees on those facts. The problem is some users want to rename Pope Stephen X into Pope Stephen IX (or X), which is an absurdity because of the same reasons as above.

I've launched this debate on 19 February and it is endless because it seems to interest very few people and it's impossible to reach a majority. I'm now prospecting for other people who would share my opinion on the matter. If you think you have something to say about this, I would be very glad if you did on Talk:Pope_Stephen_X. I thank you in advance.

Švitrigaila 00:27, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Cuba

Hi,

I am sending this message to editors I know who have done work on articles related to communism.

Adam Carr recently started bringing the Cuba article up to standard, gradually rewriting each section. In the meantime, his work has been resisted for several weeks by a group of Castro supporters who dispute, among other things, that the fact that Cuba is not a democracy. Adam Carr is now at a conference for a couple of weeks, meaning his work will likely be undone. If you have the time and the interest, please take a look.

Best regards. 172 | Talk 05:28, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Georgians in Polish Army

Pan Halibutt please let us know what do you think about this article: Georgian emigration in Poland. It was created by my friend User:Kober. We are in desperate need of info on Georgians in Polish army. Long Live Poland. Thanks in advance. Noxchi Borz 15:25, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Re:Czcheidze

Nope, I thought it was an information the original editor forgot to include, but it is my speculation. If you have any source he was not killed in Katyn, please revert me.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus ^Talk 15:51, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Check my talk for update on that. As for the German contributor, I'd start by asking for attention of users at Wikipedia talk:German-speaking Wikipedians' notice board.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus ^Talk 19:36, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Re:Georgian emigration in Poland

You are welcome, Dear Halibutt. Your comments at User talk:Ldingley were very helpful to me while working on the article. Thanks for your kind words and please accept my deepest affection to Poland and Poles. Kober 16:43, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Pan Halibutt, give me more time on Victor Lomidze. I'll do it Pan. I’m so tired of Russian POV pushers; I’d rather work on new articles. You see how Georgians respect and love Poland (based on Kobers massage)? Who else will offer such affection? :) Joke. Also can I edit something on the page of my hero Józef Piłsudski? I added Georgians on Katyn massacre because many of them died there and in respect of their sacrifice I think their nationality should be mentioned in the article. What do you think? Thanks Pan halibutt :) Niech Zivi Polsha (correct my Polish plz)! Noxchi Borz 20:13, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

P.S. They were selling original Warsaw Uprising arm band on Ebay. I lost it :( Noxchi Borz 20:13, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Poland-Georgia

Hey Halibutt, thanks a lot for your comment. I’m actually going to write more about the Polish-Georgian relations, particularly about a handful of interesting artists of Polish origin who worked in Georgia in the 19th-20th centuries. BTW, have you ever heard of Bogdan Gurjiecki and his brother Parsadan? The only thing I know is that they were the 17th-century Georgian nobles who fled the Ottoman occupation of Georgia and served subsequently under the banners of the Polish-Lithuanian State. All the best, Kober 18:06, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Template:Infobox Polish University

FYI, the Template:Infobox Polish University has been depricated and depopulated and will likely be deleted in the next couple of days. See Template_talk:Infobox_University#Template_items_to_be_deleted for more details. If you have any questions feel free to contact me or leave a comment at the Infobox University page. Thanks! --Reflex Reaction (talk)• 18:53, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Field Cathedral of the Polish Army

Could you have a look at expanding the references from these bare links? If I had any knowledge of Polish, I'd do it myself without thinking, but I don't, so I'm asking. Personally, I like {{Cite web}}, but any expansion would be an improvement.

Please avoid labeling good-faith users vandals

Hi, please avoid labelling good-faith users vandals, it is a violation of WP:CIVIL and WP:NPA. As a matter of fact it was me who added into WP:VAND the phrase that removing the good-faith tag is considered to be vandalism. It is also said that frivolous insertion of the tags and refusal to discuss a compromise on talk can be considered vandalism as well. abakharev 06:14, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for explanation on Talk:Lviv. I still would appreciate if will avoid using the word Vandal then speaking about established users. I am only an occasional editor of the Lviv so I am not sure I understand what consensus you were talking about, but I will try to figure it out abakharev 06:31, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks abakharev 06:44, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Re: Behaviour

If you read AndriyK's RFAR file, these words were used by ArbCom: "AndriyK, taking an aggressive Ukrainian nationalist position...".

These words are ArbCom's, not mine. AndriyK has a long-standing tradition of disrupting Wikipedia (and he was banned one month for that). WP:NPA means no personal attacks alright. But when the person in question was convicted of several charges including WP disruption, sockpupetting and blatant NPOV and these were recorded by a third party (the Arbcom)... In short, AndriyK talking about NPOV is simply ridiculous.

For Andriy, while he will remain what he is, I will called him by epithetes that he deserves.... And for you, this is quite self-explanatory... My visit to Poland to visit Auschwitz was the worst memory in my life... -- Grafikm ^(AutoGRAF) 16:15, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Georgia Portal

If you support to create Georgia Portal please vote here Wikipedia:Portal/Proposals . Thanks. Noxchi Borz 20:26, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Zalissia and Yasenivtsi

Hello! I am seeking detailed information on the history of the villages of Ясенівці and Залісся (Золочівський район, Lviv 'oblast'). They may be in English, Polish, Ukrainian or Russian. Zalissia was called Zalesie in Polish. Yasenivtsi (also spelled Yasenovtsy, Jasenivci) was spelled Jasienowce, Jasieniowce and Jasionowce in Polish. The only information I've got come from Slownik Geograficzny Krolestwa Polskiego 1880-1902 and Księga Adresowa Polski(=Poland Business Directories) of the years 1891,1926-1930 - there are some population data and some surnames. I have placed these information at uk.wikipedia.org (Залісся, Ясенівці). So far, the largest source on them is there... I would be grateful if you could help me and provide me with some additional information on the history of these villages. These may be some Ukrainian encyclopedias/glossaries/guide-books entries. Word or scanned documents. There is no information in the Internet. I am willing to help you in the things you are interested in... I may look up some information for you. Have a nice day! --Riva72 21:26, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

DYK

Did you know? has been updated. A fact from the article Field Cathedral of the Polish Army, which you recently created, has been featured in that section on the Main Page. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

--Cactus.man ✍ 13:39, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

A false map of German population is being spreaded on Wiki

File:Historisches deutsches Sprachgebiet.PNG

Areas with predominantly German speaking populations

A false map is being spreaded on Wiki regarding the presence of German settlements on Polish territory:

The author has ignored massive settlement of Germans into Poland after 1939 (estimated by some at over 1 million with certain number of hundreds of thousands).The author doesn't explain why the same map is used for several different era's-1937, 1945 and WWII ignoring the fact of major population changes in WW2 ? The map doesn't show the exact date and as German population changed in very significant way during XX century in Central Europe it isn't neutral. It isn't clear what the map presents, if the map presents those Germans born in Poland or those people who spoke German as mother language ? Second option would indicate he counts occupation in his map. The use of colours is very strange since it hardly shows significant populations of Poles in Silesia left after 1921.

And finally the map conflicts credible scholary data on German population.

For example-map of Poles before WW2 [10] clearly shows that German settlement isn't as widespread in Poland as the author has shown on the map. Another example, a list of Polish areas with German minority listed: http://raven.cc.ku.edu/~eceurope/hist557/lect11_files/11pic2.jpg In 1921 Pomerania 1921-18 % of population is German Poznan 1921-16 % of population is German This numbers obviously don't support the map presented here where the impression is that in those areas Germans made up almost total majority. And in 1931: Pomerania 1931-9% % of population is German Poznan 1931-9 % of population is German Upper Silesia 1931- 6 % of population is German

Another data:

According to p.27 of the Reich Statistical Yearbook for 1941 the population of the territories annexed from Poland was as follows in June 1940: Province Ostpreussen: 994,092. Reichsgau Danzig-West-Preussen (not including Danzig): 1,487,452. Reichsgau Wartheland: 4,538,922. Prov. Schlesien: 2,603,550. General Gouvernment: 12,107,000 According to p.6 of "Documents on the Expulsion of the Germans from East-Central Europe" Volume 1, (Bonn, 1954) the following was the German population of these areas when they were annexed from Poland in 1939: Polish Territories attached to the Provinz of Ostpreussen: 31,000. Polish Territories of the Reichsgau Danzig-Westpreussen: 210,000. Polish Territories of the Reichsgau Wartheland: 230,000. Eastern Upper Silesia: 238,000. Generalgouvernment: 80,000. --Molobo 16:04, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Please take time to comment on this false and misleading map. --Molobo 16:04, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

MG, round #infinity :)

Hello, I found out that I am too lazy to go detail by detail for the 50th time :) But my main points still stand: the last section needs topical reorganization (by camps, much like the first part), also the article really lacks something in the aftermath. There is what, like 5 sentences about it? After that it could really go to FAC and then experience a huge influx of peer reviews, small fixes and general interest. The small word-war will never end. Welcome to wiki :) Renata 02:36, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

I meant "Liberation and aftermath". I think it should have its own header and not be a sub-header of "Inmates." And it should be organized by camp. Hope it's clear now. Renata 19:10, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Abecadlo

Lepiej się orientujesz tutaj, mam więc do Ciebie prośbę, abyś dopilnował User:Abecadlo ewentualnie zgłosił go tutejszej sysoperii. Dzięki! A.J. 11:56, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Comment

You might be interested in another adventure with Ghirandajo: http://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Talk:Slavophile This time Ghirandajo removes entry from Brittanica and several linked books as Original Research and says he will report me for trolling. --Molobo 13:53, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Molobo, I see that you relapsed into delations that preceded your block. Please stop recruiting revert warriors now! --Ghirla ^-трёп- 14:00, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Nobody is speaking about reverts Ghirla, I would simply like to know other's opinion of your behaviour. --Molobo 14:01, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Btw, he just erased your message to him from his talk page. Valentinian ^(talk) 14:15, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Image

Orphan fair use images have to be deleted, it is policy. I deleted it via the orphan image log.--Peta 22:49, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

No, I don't orphan fair use images, unless they are obvious violations of fair use. Logos don't tend to fall into that category.--Peta 23:51, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

1942 mod afd

I saw that you voted in on a 1942 mod. Might be interested in List of Battlefield 1942 mods AFD. Bfelite 02:36, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Also Finnwars and Stargate: Battle for Mankind are AFD Bfelite 03:28, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

DYK!

Did you know? has been updated. A fact from the article Polish 8th Infantry Division, which you recently created, has been featured in that section on the Main Page. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

Thanks for your contribution! ++Lar: t/c 13:02, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

Mauthausen-Gusen

I am about to leave for a jog, and then I have some other errands to run, but I will take a look at it this evening. I skimmed the article, and from what I saw, I must say that I am very sorry that your grandfather and great-grandfather had to spend even a minute there, let alone four years. I cannot begin to imagine what they must have suffered.
As for suffering, my cousin's death in Lam Dong was mercifully quick. His helicopter crashed, most likely due to mechanical failure. A Special Forces team, including medics, was sent in to investigate. The SF found everyone dead, recovered the bodies, and rendered the craft unsalvagable - presumably by means of thermite grenades. My uncle, then serving in Vietnam with a rear-echelon unit, was put on leave and given the task of escorting the corpse back to the States for burial. Emotionally, he probably suffered more than the deceased.
So thankfully, no one in my father's family ever saw the inside of a concentration camp, or even - to my knowledge - a POW camp. I'm not sure that can be said for the Polish side of my mother's family which remained in Poland, but that will take some years to investiagate. --Jpbrenna 20:40, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

Mayakovskoye

Thanks for the revert on Mayakovskoye. I hev read through the text, however, and thought some of it did not look very encyclopaedic, so I changed a few things. I hope you will not object to this. However, I do not see how Fisch's findings can be mentioned (as they must - because otherwise people who got convinced in the past may believe the claim it was embellished is some sort of cover-up) without "some people" objecting.

Perhaps it would be better to mention the various opinions about the events, the factors in favour of that particular analysis, the facts disputing it. If we also mention the version of Stalin and some Western media during the war (and end it with "totally discredited") it might be a bit clearer that this is not an anti-German thing. However, I (or the other guy doing it) will have to be careful not to use original research. By the way, I used the Dutch village of Putten (and not Lidice or other places in Eastern Europe) under "see also" because the number of victims there was ... 660. I still think the massacre at Vinkt makes for the best comparison - apart from the other points made there, in both cases a bridge was involved: the bridge just outside Nemmersdorf blocked the refugee convoy, because the German army needed it.User_talk:Pan_Gerwazy--pgp 21:30, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

Remind you of something?

{{pro}}. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus ^Talk 20:38, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Hakata

Możesz zerknąć na artykuł o Hakacie ? German Eastern Marches Society Argumenty podobne jak przy Kulturkampfie, Polacy zagrażali Niemcom bo "Polonizowali" Posen, a Hakata nie była wymierzona w Polaków. Przynajmniej takie argumenty daje znany już z poprzedniego artykułu Niemiecki user który upiera się przy flagowaniu tego artykułu który rozszerzyłem. --Molobo 21:28, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Volyn

I am mainly of the opinion that the photo isn't credible as the sources are nationalistic and very POV. I am not attacking you so need for feeling concerned. --Molobo 15:41, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Halibutt the argument is that he wrote the article in very nationalistic monthly and the two sources we have really that say about the photo are very uncredible. One makes very POV statments regarding Ukrainians(that they delight in torture, aren't a nation etc), the other claims that to become a UPA member one had to kill a Polish mother, child or father. I hope you why I don't view those authors as neutral and credible and have doubts if the photo is authentic or description is accurate. --Molobo 16:52, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

HKT

Two sources : [11] [12] --Molobo 21:18, 23 May 2006 (UTC) [13] German fears of losing Prussian Poland led to the establishment of the "Ostmarkenverein," (Eastern Marches Association) in 1892. Poles called it the H-K-T or "Hakata" (pron.Hahkahtah), because it was headed by three German landowners: Hanneman, Kennemann, and Tiedemann. The Association subsidized German civil servants to make them stay at their posts, and also helped German farmers and landowners. The H-K-T developed a racist ideology, teaching German superiority to the Poles, fostering hatred and contempt of the latter. --Molobo 21:25, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

A rich sample of German reflections[14]

Members of Hakata made up German who escaped from Poland in 1918: [15]

"Devoted to destruction of Polish identity" [16]

"Apartheid" [17]

Much info on initial members: [18]

How Hakata made Polish union organisation illegal by tricky law: [19]

How Hakata supported annexation of Polish territory and ethnic cleansing in WWI and how ideas of Lebensraum are connected to its ideology: [20] [21]

I hope this helps you with the article. --Molobo 00:51, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

There was also literature involved with ideology of this German movement. Its views are presented here: [22] --Molobo 00:53, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Hi, Halibutt. I noticed your rewrite draft at User:Halibutt/HKT. In the draft, you use "HKT" without dashes a couple of times and with dashes three or four times. I think it would probably be more appropriate to use "H-K-T" only with dashes (and even then to use it less frequently in the article). I'm sure you recall what prompted my interest in this issue. Please consider this. (Disclaimer: My user name has nothing to do with the German Eastern Marches Society). Cheers, HKT^Talk 17:48, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Thank you. I suppose the difference between my username and yours is that I didn't even know about the German Eastern Marches Society when I chose my username. Just think of my username as referring to Hong Kong Time. ;) I hope that people aren't offended by my username. In fact, I was concerned that putting "HKT" in that article would increase the association between those letters and the Hakata society, thus potentially leading people to take offense at my username! HKT^Talk 18:07, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Image:Bitwa warszawska 1920.JPG

Hi Halibutt.

This image is painted by Jerzy Kossak (1886-1955). Are you sure it is in the public domain? Kjetil _r 01:47, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Bibrka/Bóbrka

I have recently created a stub on the Ukrainian city of Bibrka. I am however, limited linguistically in my ability to expand the article and reconcile a problem stemming from one of its names. The city is situated in historic Galicia outside of Lviv; however, I have found a reference to a Bóbrka near Krosno in the Subcarpathian Voivodship, also in historic Galicia. It seems to me that the latter reference seems to refer to a separate and distinct location, because of the distance between Lviv and Krosno and that Lviv would have been a better notation of relative location being a larger and closer city than Krosno. I was hoping that you could help resolve that problem, and also if having a general knowledge of Ukrainian you could find info like population from the Lviv Oblast website, so that an infobox similar to the one at Lviv could be created for Bibrka. Thanks -JCarriker 04:17, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

HKT

Thanks, you deserve another award :) --Molobo 11:01, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Prussia

All information about discrimination of national minorities in Prussia was deleted. Information that Poles were subject to discrimination in Prussian state have been stated as "historical revisionism" by a German user[23]. All information about this presented on discussion page was either ignored or claimed that it is a Polish POV because Poles feel unsecure living on others land, despite the fact that sources were non-Polish. Please help in achieving NPOV in the article --Molobo 15:08, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

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A favour

Hey there, Halibutt. Could you do do me a favour? I notice that you have been doing some good work on FAC, and I was wondering if you would take a quick look at "We Belong Together". It has failed a couple of FACs, and I think that it may be ready soon. However, I want to make sure that it will succeed this time, and currently, Peer Review isn't that much help. It would be appreciated. Thanx. Oran e (t) (c) (e) 03:17, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Some very worrying edits

In Polish Corridor, [24] A user appeared that seems to try portay Hitler as trying to get peace with Poland being portayed as "refusing". He removed several sources I provided as to Hitler's real intentions. He also uses data from military presecence to claim German majority in the region. The same is done in Polish September Campaign, where sources showing Hitler's real intentions have been deleted by the user or changed to POW way that downplayes Hitler's agression and true intentions[25]. For example despite the fact that a source states The proposal served to practically subordinate Poland to the Axis and the Anti-Comintern Bloc. Warsaw refused this in order to retain its independence the user changed it to Poland, however, feared for its sovereignty and questioned Germany's motivations indicating an irrational motive on behalf of Poland. Further changes of the user are worrying. For example he changes German agresssion into "German aggression". The sentence With Poland refusing to abandon its sovereignty to German demands, Germany withdrew from both the German-Polish Non-Aggression Pact has been changed to : With Poland refusing its demands, Germany withdrew from both the German-Polish Non-Aggression Pact And so on. Please react to this. --Molobo 09:59, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Mauthausen-Gusen concentration camp

I just wanted to say thanks for the truly fantastic article on what can't have been an easy subject to write on and keep a level head. I've converted to tables/split-off three of the lists that were objected to in the FAC, already turning one objection into a support. Hopefully the other will as well once he reviews the article. Let me know if I can help in any other way! Staxringold 15:20, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Klaipėda

Please see Talk:Klaipėda Region#Memelland and Memel (disambiguation) --Philip Baird Shearer 09:14, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

Very important

All information about the role of Lebensraum deleted from information about goals of Nazis deleted, Poland and Warsaw according to the user are part of "Greater Germany" : [26] User doubts Hitler wanted war and Lebensraum in East and pursuses changes to indicate he wanted peace with Poland: [27] Hitler wanted to settle territorial issues but Poland didn't trust him: [28] No comments. I even went as far to give links but the user deletes them as POV. --Molobo 09:52, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

Ok. I only give such warnings in extreme cases as for example attempts to portay Hitler as wanting peace with Poland or postive portayal of Prussia. --Molobo 11:32, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

Prisons

Richard Rhodes describes the NKVD evacuation murders of imprisoned political enemies in his book on Ensatzgruppen killings, Masters of Death: The SS-Einsatzgruppen and the Invention of the Holocaust: “Despite the deportations, Barbarossa surprised the NKVD, whose jails and prisons in the invaded western territories were crowded with political prisoners. Rather that release their prisoners as they hastened to retreat during the first week of the war, the Soviet secret police had simply slaughtered them. NKVD prisoner executions in the first week after Barbarossa totaled some ten thousand in the western Ukraine and more than nine thousand in Vinnitsa, eastward toward Kiev; comparable numbers of prisoners were executed in eastern Poland, Byelorussia, Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia. These areas had already sustained losses numbering in the hundreds of thousands from the Stalinist purges of 1937-38. “It was not only the numbers of the executed,” historian Yury Boshyk writes of the evacuation murders, “but also the manner in which they died that shocked the populace. When the families of the arrested rushed to the prisons after the Soviet evacuation, they were aghast to find bodies so badly mutilated that many could not be identified. It was evident that many of the prisoners had been tortured before death; others were killed en masse.” In some cases, cells crowded with prisoners had been dynamited, badly mutilating the remains” Non-Polish source :) --Molobo 13:30, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

Re: Coats of Arms

Honestly, I'm not sure. While coats of arms would be good for the national military history task forces, the Napoleonic one is not uniquely concerned with Napoleon himself, but rather with the entire period during which he was active; so using his own CoA might be a bit non-obvious.

Perhaps we could adopt the azure shield as a background but replace the eagle with the 'N'-in-wreath design? It might be a bit more obvious to the casual reader, even if not quite historically correct. Kirill Lokshin 15:57, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

Great! I look forward to seeing it!

Are you planning to produce CoA-like designs for the other task forces as well, incidentally? Kirill Lokshin 16:04, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

Some comments:

Aviation: if we can get a clean picture of a biplane (or any recogniable plane, for that matter) and put it on a shield, that will probably work well.
British: ok.
Canadian: the maple leaf would probably be more obvious, since the official shield has that very busy section with the British arms at the top.
Chinese: this one is nasty. The general feeling in the task force was to not use post-WWII emblems so as to avoid the political issue tied up there. If nothing else comes up, just placing their current logo on a shield might work; alternately, there's a fairly good dragon flag the Manchu dynasty used that might work.
Classical: the modern seal would work; it would be even better if we could remove the cross from it and leave just the 'SPQR'.
French: looks good now, I think.
Memorials: how about an eternal flame? Or would that be unrecognizable at that size?
Middle Ages: a knight of some sort, perhaps?
Napoleonic: ok.
Polish: if we're converting everything to a CoA design, the eagle would be the obvious choice.
US: ok
Weaponry: cannons might work. Alternately, are there any good crossed-swords or crossed-maces designs we could use?
WWI/WWII: I'll have to think about this some more. There doesn't seem to be any good symbol (rather than image) for those, does there?

Overall, though, this looks like a great idea! Kirill Lokshin 17:04, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

On a further note: there are some objections being raised in a number of cases; it looks like these CoAs will need to be adopted on a case-by-case basis. Kirill Lokshin 18:14, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

Very nice work on the new country shields! Out of curiosity, are the different shapes on the Polish and US one tied to the actual CoA for those countries, or is there some other reason for having two different ones? Kirill Lokshin 21:31, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

Ah, ok. If you're using the actual national shields, that's probably best. Thanks again for taking the time to create these! Kirill Lokshin 21:47, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

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Mauthausen-Gusen

Hi, and sorry it took me longer-than-expected to read the article. You did a great job and I don't really see any problems in it. There was one interesting bit of information that I (and possibly others) want to see more details on: namely, the use of prisoners for archaeological digs. I was startled to learn that prisoners were used for this - I knew some archaeologists willingly accepted grants and assignments from Hitler's government, but slave labor? How common was this practice, or was it isolated to Mathausen? That might be a whole new article Nazi-era exploitation of slave labor in archaeology - something like that, hopefully less cumbersome - if it happened regularly. Do you know any more about it? --69.246.207.112 01:25, 28 May 2006 (UTC) Sorry, that was me!--Jpbrenna 01:26, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

resolution

I am using 800*600, XP... In both IE and Firefox the table in death table is intruding into the text.--Dwaipayan (talk) 10:55, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

You should have screamed a little bit louder! Anyway, what matters is we could comminicate!--Dwaipayan (talk) 15:18, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

References

Halibutt I have not destroyed your work and I have not "use some ancient system of repeating them all over the place". Also I thought that answer I gave in the history explained why I have done it.

I have moved your references into a reference section and listed all the reference works by author surname's alphabetically. I have then asked for page numbers for the citation. There is little point citing a book without page numbers and there is little point stacking up the same Book with full citations if it is mentioned more than once. To exaggerate, to make a point, Imagen being faced with a citation ("Winston Churchill The Second World War, Mariner Books; (1986), ISBN 039541685X ") for a factoid! --Regards Philip

There is method in the madness of putting references and footnotes in separate sections. I have not invented it, it is a standard practice. As I put in the history of the page it is also documented: under Wikipedia:Citing sources#Maintaining a separate "References" section in addition to "Notes" and Wikipedia:Footnotes#Example. The danger is that you are looking at it from only one perspective. Suppose someone wishes to have list of the references used in this article. If the footnotes and references are mixed up together then there is no order to the references and one reference may be repeated multiple times (for each separate page entry). Please have a look at the "bibliography" and "footnotes" sections on the Bombing of Dresden page to see what I mean. But if rather than have an edit war with you over this, please sleep on it and if you still not convinced by my arguments in 24 hours time, then revert to the full page names in the text, and I will not revert them again, until I have a clear mandate to do so in the guidelines, which at the moment I can not find (see Wikipedia_talk:Verifiability#Books_and_page_numbers) :-(. --Philip Baird Shearer 19:05, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

I did not follow the link on the book when I first made the edits (I missed the page number as well), I was going to move the link into the citation but there seemed little point if you were going to revert it. BTW the reason for the separate page citations on Dresden is evident if you follow the links, it is highly contentious article and the separate citations were needed for each paragraph too keep the mupits from hacking it about. Also when the citations were added they were added using Wikipedia:Footnote3 which does not make it easy to combine citations together and if it were done took up a lot of time in maintenance. At some point I will clean up the Dresden citations, but there are a lot more interesting things I want to do at the moment. --Philip Baird Shearer 19:44, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

De polaco/Polonia a polaco/Polski, solicitando ayuda

Muy estimado Hallibut

Aprovecho tus conocimientos del español para escribirte en mi propio idioma. Perdóname que nuestro primer contacto sea para pedirte dos favores:

El primero es que le envíes un mensaje mío, (si no te molesta hacerlo), al Wikipendysta:Polimerek, quien como administrador de la pl-wiki me calificó de “maníaco heráldico”, (cosa que es cierto), y, sin amonestarme previamente y sin ningún aviso, bloqueó mi posibilidad de acceso a la edición en polaco.

Nunca hice “trolling”... pero tal vez esté en su derecho de bloquearme si así lo desea... No conozco bien las reglas al respecto.

El problema real es que ni siquiera puedo comunicarme con él, de ninguna forma, para simplemente explicarme y solicitarle su asesoría y comprensión. Tal vez tuvo buenas razones para hacerlo, a su entender. No cuestiono su acción... Peo también es cierto que no me advirtió de nada ni me permitió, (ni me permite), explicarme o pedirle las disculpas del caso si hice algo incorrecto. Simplemente me puso contra el paredón y me fusiló.

El segundo favor es que te comuniques, por mi, con el Wikipendysta:Bocianski, quien espera que yo le escriba y seguramente ni siquiera sabe que estoy imposibilitado de hacerlo. Esto es más importante para mí que lo primero.

Te agradezco desde ya tu ayuda y comprensión. Puedes pedirle referencias mías a nuestro estimado “Piotrus” con quien nunca tuve ningún problema, todo lo contrario. Tal vez todo se deba a mi escaso conocimiento del polaco y sólo sea un malentendido.

Un gran abrazo de tu amigo, Gustavo.

PD: Antes de escribirle a alguien trato de conocerlo un poco, así que hice un rápido recorrido por tu página personal y por tus contribuciones en Wikipedia, son excelentes. Mis contribuciones son por cierto muy escasas y pobres, pero hace pocos meses que entré en la wiki. Envidio tu habilidad para hacer los blasones en 3D. Yo soy un inútil dibujando.

Puedes contactarme en h_korwin@hotmail.com o en cualquiera de mis páginas de usuario. Gracias de nuevo. none 21:38, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

(Para Polimerek) (Título: Maniaka herbów)

Dear Polimerek, I must write you in English since my Polish is really very poor. I will appreciate very much if you can answer me in the same language, since I ought to send to a translator all massages in Polish, and this takes time.

Well... you think I am a "Maniaka herbów". YES I DO... INDEED. What is the problem? Did I something wrong? Did I make a kind of S-11 in the pl-wiki?

If I did some mistake I will correct it immediately. So just tell me what I did wrong. It is easy, I am quite politely. Best regards. Gustavo.

PS: When I tried to send you this message I realized that I could not. So I am in a “Dead End”. Please, allow me to contact you. If you wish, my e-mail is h_korwin@hotmail.com none 21:38, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

(Para Bocianski) (Título: About your requests)

Dear Bocianski

Unfortunately I do not have books about genealogy. I just look all over Internet. I did find: Bocian herbu Ostoja, Bocianka herbu Ostoja and Bociarski herbu Ostoja. There are also a Bocian herbu Dobrzeński and a Bocianowski herbu Lubicz.

I did look also a possible Bociański or Bącianski or Bąciański, without chance.

Be careful, web sites are usually incompletes. The matter that it is difficult to find does not mean that do not exist. Perhaps you already tried http://www.jurzak.pl/ and http://www.ornatowski.com . Really you have better opportunities than me since you can reach web sites and archive-researches in Polish much more easily. Keep looking for.

About your articles from Chrząchów and Kurówka I am in troubles to translate them. Your English is good enough to send them translated to me. If you do so I could improve the language in order to be published in English and then, translate them in Spanish and French also.

The photos are beautiful. I already take them as wallpaper from my own PC. I am really very sorry to be so helpless. Best regards from your friend Gustavo.

PS: When I tried to send you this message I realized that I could not. Wikipendysta:Polimerek considers me a "Maniaka herbów", (He is right: I DO... INDEED), and simple block my access to edition in pl:wiki, without any warning. So I am in a “Dead End”. Please, allow me to contact you. If you wish, my e-mail is h_korwin@hotmail.com none 21:38, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

Agradecimiento y algo de humor

Mi estimado Halibutt, comencé estas líneas llamándote por tu apellido, pero recordando cuanto valor le das a tu privacidad, lo cambié rápidamente por tu seudónimo.

No tienes idea de la enorme sorpresa, alegría y gratitud con que recibí anoche mismo tu respuesta, (sin contar con que venía con un precioso escudo de regalo). Ya ves, yo ingratamente, recién te contesto hoy... pero uno no siempre dispone de tiempo sólo por desearlo. Viendo cuantas distinciones has merecido de otros wiki-usuarios estoy pensando en algo apropiado que exprese mi agradecimiento para quien me atendiera con tanta celeridad y buena disposición, siendo un recién conocido. Ya veré.

Para mi mismo estoy pensando en la Cruz al Escudero Loco, ( Krzyż Maniaka Herbów, Cross of Mad Squire, Croix eau Écuyer Fou), con que me distinguió nuestro estimado Polimerek, no sin merecidos méritos de mi parte... eventualmente.

Hablando seriamente, ya quité el blasón de la en:página de Slawomir Szwedowski y la correspondiente Categorie:Polish Nobility. Lo mismo haría con la pl:página si pudiera acceder a ella, atendiendo a tu crítica. Ya vez, bastaba con decírmelo... Con tiempo veré qué otros errores puedo haber cometido y los corregiré. Eso sí, ¡desde los Piast hasta “los coroneles”, ni pienso en borrar, (ni en dejar de poner), ni un solo escudo o link que corresponda! Moleste a quien moleste.

Por hoy no te aburro más... Hasta pronto, con un abrazo, tu amigo Gustavo. none 01:59, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Mad Squire

Mi estimado Halibutt, a riesgo de caerte pesado te envío estas líneas para felicitarte por tu excelente español, (hoy me olvidé de hacerlo). Realmente sólo tuviste un par de faltas de ortografía y nada más. Nada importante.

Hace algunas semanas, cuando estaba agregando algunas líneas de mi cosecha a los artículos. Polish name y Polish Heraldry, alguien tomó mi PC como robot. Wikipedia, la en Inglés, la de verdad, me informó de inmediato y me dio las indicaciones necesarias para el caso. De inmediato desconecté la línea e hice pasar el antivirus, el cual detectó dos virus que habían burlado el Firewall y los eliminó de inmediato. Aún así la página Polish Heraldry debió permanecer bloqueada algunos días, (la otra no). Tal vez algo parecido volvió a pasar en la Wiki-polaca... Es muy raro porque mantengo el antivirus al día y siempre lo paso antes de apagar el PC... En todo caso Piotr K. no me calificó de loco por el incidente.

Unos días antes de ser bloqueado recibí del Wik-Jakubhal lo siguiente que olvidé enviar traducir ya que no me pareció esencial y la estudiante polaco-americana que suele hacerlo está muy ocupada actualmente. No es preciso que me lo traduzcas, simplemente léelo, por favor, y mira si tiene algo que ver. El Escudero Loco: Gustavo.

Łączenie haseł z różnych wikipedii Witaj. Nie umieszczaj linku do obcojęzycznej wikipedii w linkach zewnętrznych. Hasła pomiędzy wikipediami łączy się tak jak to opisano tutaj. Czyli na przykład dla hasła Wieniawa (herb szlachecki) nad którym teraz pracujesz, powinieneś dopisać na końcu artykułu: en:Wieniawa Coat of Arms Pozdrawiam. Jakub H. 12:31, 20 maja 2006 (CEST)

none 07:27, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

El Escudero Loco otra vez

Perdóname por molestarte nuevamente Halibutt,

Polimerek me envió un mensaje de disculpas y varias explicaciones de recibo, pero sigo bloqueado.

Te re envío su mensaje y el que escribí para él, a continuación. Te ruego lo envíes por mi cuando te sea posible. Desde ya muchísimas gracias. Gustavo none 03:57, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

Block Sorry for blocking you. Anyway, please do not put coats of arm to temporary artists and other famous people as well as people living between I and II World War. Generally, due to the very high number of Polish nobleman or people claiming to be nobleman the number of articles where you can put coats of arms is too high to make it sense. We are not encyclopedia of heraldry, therefore the right place for coats of arms is in articles describing them, and in biographical articles it is enough to put link to these articles, especially in case of people who never used these coats in their lives. Polimerek 12:02, 30 maja 2006 (CEST) Źródło: "http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dyskusja_Wikipedysty:Gustaw_Korwin-Szwedowski

Maniaka Herbów

Dear Polimerek,

Thank you for answer me. You are right, I over do about “herbowie”. I promise do not repeat it again.

Actually I can not write anything in Polish since I barely can understand it. So “zapatero a tus zapatos”, Spanish expression that means literally “Shoemaker must do only shoes”, so I will edit only articles in Spanish, English or French. I will use the pl:wiki just as a source. If you do not matter I will just complete occasionally the list of family-names of an “herb szlachecki”. I did it, for example, in my own “herb”, time ago, and few days before I was blocked I did the same in “Trąby (herb szlachecki)” when I realized the list of family-names was empty.

Be free to keep an eye on my doings.

I just was trying to realize the rich contribution of “Polska szlachta” in Polish culture and Polish history. I do not deny the mistakes we also did. As a modern man I believe in equality as everybody does. If you have something to complain about my work, please, just contact me.

Best regards. Gustavo.

PS - I tried to send you this message, nevertheless I am still blocked. Do not you think that it is enough? none 03:57, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

Two minor errors on your userpage

Greetings Halibutt. I just noticed two minor errors on your user page, both relating to the Featured Articles. Warsaw (1939) is listed as a FA, but it should have been Warsaw Uprising. It also looks like you forgot to upgrade Mauthausen-Gusen concentration camp to a FA. A very impressive list of Featured Articles, btw. Regards. --Valentinian ^(talk) 18:59, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

¡ Le jour de gloire est arrivé !

Estimado Halibutt:

Por fin he sido desbloqueado. Te agradezco muchísimo todo tu apoyo y me disculpo por darte tantas molestias. Hoy encontré tu página en español, es un buen comienzo y una buena invitación a que la gente visite la en:wiki, que es sin lugar a dudas la más completa. De las que yo puedo leer la fr:wiki estaría en segundo lugar. Por cierto me tomé el atrevimiento de poner el escudo que diseñaste y me enviaste en mi página de User, espero haberlo hecho apropiadamente y que no tengas ninguna objeción al respecto, si no es así, por favor dímelo.

Desde ya tienes un amigo a tu disposición en Sudamérica. Gustavo (Maniaka Herbów). (Sorry by the repeated award but I am not god being original).

Please see this discussion

[29] --Molobo 12:01, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

Kapuściński

Hey Halibutt,

I'm glad to hear that you liked my work on the English Kapuściński page! I plan to work more on the article eventually, but am about to take a wiki-break...

Have you ever compared the English article with the Polish version? Due to the fact that so little of his work has been translated into English, I have a feeling that the English page may be missing something essential. It would be good to hear how the two articles compare from someone who is Polish. --(Mingus ah um 19:38, 2 June 2006 (UTC))

DYK

On June 3, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Tadeusz Jordan-Rozwadowski, which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

Military history WikiProject Distinguished Service Award

Congrats on MG camp!

Well done! Renata 17:24, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Yes :) --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus ^Talk 21:08, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Tomb of the Unknown Soldier, Warsaw

Hi Halibutt, I did a german translation of of this article. Are you sure that the sentence "The Tomb was designed by a famous Polish sculptor, Stanisław Ostrowski." is really correct? I know that Stanisław Ostrowski was a physician, a soldier, and a politician, but I cannot find any proof that he was a sculptor. Can you give me your source, please. Thank you. --Hjaekel 21:19, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for your help. I changed the name in the text to disambiguate the two persons. -- Hjaekel 19:09, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

Zygmunt

Would you share your opinion at RM survey at Talk:Sigismund III of Poland Marrtel 23:18, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

Estimadísimo Halibutt:

Recién al subir tu diseño del blasón Korwin a la wiki:commons me di cuenta que la licencia hace referencia al trabajo de T. Gajl, pero no te nombra a ti. Por tanto agregué en todos mis sitios la siguiente frase:

My Coat of Arms - This nice work is a gift of my friend User:Halibutt herbu Nieczuja. (A derivative work tagged with the same license of the original).

Espero haber cumplido de esta manera con lo que, en justicia, te corresponde. Siéntete libre de cambiar cualquier cosa que consideres que viene al caso, en cualquiera de mis sitios. Un gran abrazo. Gustavo. Gustavo Szwedowski de Korwin 21:30, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Thank you

For your outstanding contributions to Wikipedia, I, Appleseed, present you with the Barnstar. Keep up the great work.

Possibly unfree Image:Bitwa warszawska 1920.JPG

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DYK

On June 11, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Lithuanian Security Police, which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

--Cactus.man ✍ 12:08, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Garland

Dałem Image:ORP Garland.JPG do deletion request, bo to 100% NPA autora obrazu. Pibwl ←« 18:27, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Polish medieval monarchs naming

Hi. I have proposed to move the following monarchs from their current, generally Polish-spelled names (with diacriticals) to the systematical English name, citing my general ground that English should be used, not Polish. Would you share your opinion at Talk:Bolesław I the Brave , Talk:Bolesław II the Bold, Talk:Mieszko II Lambert, Talk:Władysław III Spindleshanks, Talk:Jan I Olbracht and Talk:Kazimierz III the Great. Marrtel 19:45, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Pilsudski's "Anti-Semitism"

Wanted to ask you, your opinion in regards to Schmuel Israel's (sic), edit and imput into the Pilsudski article. My impression is that Pilsudski was not anti-Semitic, and that one of his wives was in fact of Jewish origin. What do you know about it? If I'm not mistaken you, Halibutt, have identified yourself as being of Polish-Jewish heritage. What is your opinion on the subject? Dr. Dan 03:56, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Pilsudski

Yes, they are such comments, mostly leftovers from communist propaganda that get repeated(usually by people involved with radical left). --Molobo 10:14, 13 June 2006 (UTC) You can quote this if you want: [30] Pilsudski had Jewish associates, and some of his closest non-Jewish lieutenants had Jewish wives. Mieczyslaw Pruszynski notes how, in 1926, Pilsudski issued a blanket decree granting citizenship to 600,000 Jewish refugees from the Soviet Union; the author regards this as an unparalleled step in the period before World War II, when most other countries in Europe and America slammed the door. During Pilsudski's lifetime and afterwards, when his "Colonels" attempted to maintain their hold on power, they cooperated with Jewish groups and supported the Zionist ideal of emigration to a Jewish state in Palestine. Zionists and the Polish authorities paid lip service to each other as fighters for the national independence of their respective peoples, and some major Zionist leaders cited Pilsudski as their personal inspiration. In the final years before 1939, this cooperation became highly concrete, with the army offering special military training to Jewish self-defense activists and supplying arms for the struggle in Palestine. In their most optimistic hopes, the Polish authorities envisioned a Jewish state in Israel with a population originating predominantly in Poland; such a state would maintain close diplomatic and economic links with the country of origin and even serve as a sort of surrogate for the colonial empire that Poland never had. --Molobo 10:16, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Fried swan

Just a quick call for help: can you confirm or deny the statements on Swan, Talk:Swan and Polish cuisine that fried swan is a Polish delicacy? It sounds a little improbable to me, and the only source provided is an anonymous disgusted Irish woman, but for all I know there might be a swan-and-chip-shop on every street corner. Amcguinn 12:03, 15 June 2006 (UTC). It's OK, someone else has picked it up. Amcguinn 14:31, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

2nd AFD nom for List of Battlefield 1942 mods

You may be interested in the List of Battlefield 1942 mods AFD. It has been been nominated by the same user again. Bfelite 14:05, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Stepan Apraksin

Dear Halibutt, could you clean up the effects of your sloppy edits? I'm sorry to remind you that, if a well-maintained page sits where it does, there must be some reason for it. In future, if you need to create disambiguation to a red link, please start Stepan Apraksin (disambiguation) and link to it from Stepan Apraksin using Template:Redirect or Template:Otheruses. Moving well-established pages without prior discussion, citing your own whim as a rationale, is unacceptable. WP:CONTEXT doesn't approve of your practice of gratuitously spawning red links. Happy edits, Ghirla ^-трёп- 13:37, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Could you?

Could you translate Antoni Heda from Polish wiki ? [31] --Molobo 18:04, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Taka mała ciekawostka

Przypomniało mi się w związku z pewnym artykułem [32] --Molobo 00:02, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Dziwna Sprawa

Dziwna sprawa, ale napisze po angielsku...

For some reason, I cannot save the following text to the Polish portal (for some reason, someone's link to Cieszyn's homepage keeps triggering it the spam filter...?? I get the same if I try to save to Piotrus's page)

Minor Detail Re: Radziwill

Someone may be better at taking this up, as I have already demonstrated some of the facts and see a revert war in the making with M.K. Under Radziwill, I proposed to change the first line to "Radziwill...is a Polish noble family from the Grand Duchy of Lithuania." I feel this is far more accurate since we are using present tense. Here, we acknowledge the origin of the Radziwills but also avoid creating a Lithuanian-centric (and quite frankly, intentionally biased) impression that the Radziwills are currently somehow associated with Lithuania (by allegiance or patriotic leanings...or by any measure really), which has clearly not been the case for at least two centuries (see the Polish article for a list of people in the 19th and 20th centuries belonging to this family, up until now). Please see the discussion for more information. It appears that M.K. has this page on his "Lithuanian 'interests'" watch page. I don't see why an anon edit (which was me, but I forgot to log in) should matter. --Vegalabs 04:12, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Zdjęcie

Nie za bardzo wiem jak to się robi. Co do praw autorskich to chyba już są przedawnione ?(75 lat). Wydaje mi się że ładnie by pasowało do historii Warszawy lub do oddzielnego artykułu o walkach o Warszawę w IWŚ. --Molobo 11:48, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Dzięki za tłumaczenie Hedy

Przy okazji przejrzałem jeden z artykułów cytowanych przez Irpena na babelfish i znalazłem kilka ciekawych fragmentów: But Lenin, who strove for peaceful respite by any price for regrouping of forces before the new stage of world revolution, proposed to Poles "mini- Brest" - in addition to those earth, which they after all obtained, the even present Khmel'nitskiy, Minsk and the part of the Zhitomir of regions. the Polish camp panic ruled. Many ran away from Warsaw to the West, Seym attempted to agree with the Bolsheviks about the peace or the armistice on any conditions. But now already in Moscow they did not want peace. To z artykuły [33] gdzie jest przytaczany przez Irpena fragment o paradzie w Kijowie. Warto dodać te fragmenty do artykułu o wojnie Polsko-Bolszewickiej, zdaje się że Irpen zażądał citation do fragmentu o tym iż bolszewicy oferowali więcej terytoriów Polsce niż Polska wzięła. --Molobo 14:58, 23 June 2006 (UTC)