User:Farhansher/Sina plans to attack WP : Thread 7
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wikipedia.org: let's make some changes, OUR WAY....
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Hume
Joined: 22 Apr 2004 Posts: 313
Posted: Sat Nov 20, 2004 1:15 pm Post subject: wikipedia.org: let's make some changes, OUR WAY....
Many articles in wikipedia seem to be a bit too PC, I've putting the dutch articles a bit more in perspective or at least making islam look a little bit more negative. Someone willing to take on the english section?
http://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Islam _________________ BAH, Humbug!
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Hume
Joined: 22 Apr 2004 Posts: 313
Posted: Sat Nov 20, 2004 3:25 pm Post subject:
Damn, better regisgter before you edit because all my changes have been reverted because of vandalism :(
Mat you should discuss the page as well and tell why made the changes
(if people are making changes that is....) _________________ BAH, Humbug!
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Hume
Joined: 22 Apr 2004 Posts: 313
Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2004 4:03 am Post subject:
Nobody interested? _________________ BAH, Humbug!
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Brave Steed
Joined: 21 Nov 2004 Posts: 11
Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2004 9:45 am Post subject:
My dear Hume, Wikipedia canst not be modified in a sucheth a manner as which you refer to by the phrase "our way". The doctrine in major force at Wikipedia is one which is known amongst all participants therein as "neutral point of view" or NPOV, to be brief. "Our way" would be for us to putteth forth our point of view without qualification. This wouldst never be deemed acceptable in the realm of Wikipedia.
Nevertheless, my friend, there is hope that truth will out!
That which is worthy of acting upon is the inclusion of POV with qualifying terms writ before the P sucheth as "..so and so claims...", "their website states that...", "some ex-Muslims hold the view that...", etcetera. Furthermore...
New articles can be written in NPOV on topics where none hast yet been created. Forsooth, gaze thine eyes uponst the following page as linkethed, below:
http://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Special:Search?search=ex-muslims&go=Go
Wouldst thou or any participant of this forum herein at FFI like to write such an article on the subject of "ex-Muslims" there? One may do so as a registered member or not. If one registers, then I believe one's IP address is hidden from public view. If one chooses not to register, then one's IP address is viewable.
Once one hath created such an article, then one's work is hardly yet begun. One must create a multitude of linkages unto that article, including directly or undirectly from those articles which most of us here at FFI wouldst find as bland as unsalted gruel and twice as unappetizing as food for thought. Cast thine eyes upon the following examples which lead to the article about our own very cherished Ali Sina:
http://wiki.riteme.site/w/wiki.phtml?title=Special:Whatlinkshere&target=Ali_Sina
You will see, there, Hume, that there is a link to Ali Sina from Aisha. There is a link to Aisha from Muhammad. There is a link to Muhummad from Islam. The link game is very important. It is important to have as many linkages to the Ali Sina page and other pages like it because this raises on search engines like Google, the ranking of pages that are important in "our" view.
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Hume
Joined: 22 Apr 2004 Posts: 313
Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2004 12:24 pm Post subject:
NPOV is bad enough for islam. I made some changes to which there was some objection because people thought they were biased but in the discussion I was able to give them the facts and they accepted the changes. _________________ BAH, Humbug!
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elpiojo
Joined: 30 Jan 2005 Posts: 8
Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2005 3:02 pm Post subject: Re: wikipedia.org: let's make some changes, OUR WAY....
Hume wrote: Many articles in wikipedia seem to be a bit too PC, I've putting the dutch articles a bit more in perspective or at least making islam look a little bit more negative. Someone willing to take on the english section?
http://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Islam
Great idea, I added a link in de nl to some opposite views on Islam. I would like to do more. Perhaps all together here in this forum we can compile a list of articles regarding Islam needing some adjustments…???
On http://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Islam on the left bar can be found all the links to other Wikipedia pagina's regarding Islam
• Afrikaans • العربية • Беларуская • Български • Català • Česky • Dansk • Deutsch • English • Esperanto • Español • Suomi • Français • עברית • Hrvatski • Bahasa Indonesia • 日本語 • Bahasa Melayu • Polski • Português • Română • Русский • Simple English • Svenska • Kiswahili • Tatarça • Українська • 中文(简体) • 中文(繁體)
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Phedippedes
Joined: 20 Mar 2004 Posts: 2458 Location: the Netherlands
Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2005 12:53 am Post subject: Re: wikipedia.org: let's make some changes, OUR WAY....
Hume wrote: Many articles in wikipedia seem to be a bit too PC, I've putting the dutch articles a bit more in perspective or at least making islam look a little bit more negative. Someone willing to take on the english section?
http://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Islam
So have I...check out my additions in about Dhimmis and Jizyah. Remember that the style needs to be factual.
Cheers! _________________ "The real cause of anger is that the Jews have progress; they read more books in Tel Aviv alone than in all of Darul Islam, they have fine Universities, they have democracy, law and order, topnotch technology." (SL, '04)
“Kul kaleb beiji youmoâ€
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Hume
Joined: 22 Apr 2004 Posts: 313
Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2005 11:52 am Post subject:
Phedippedes, I think people removed some of your changes, it's often best te discuss on the discossion page why you changed certain things. BTW have a look at the dutch pages too... _________________ BAH, Humbug!
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fern
Joined: 22 Jan 2005 Posts: 112
Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2005 12:28 pm Post subject:
U guys R so full of sh!t
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elpiojo
Joined: 30 Jan 2005 Posts: 8
Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2005 5:21 pm Post subject:
I translated some content from de en wikipedia in dutch, Like Islam in the modern world ( == Islam in de modern wereld ==)
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a_student
Joined: 04 May 2004 Posts: 777 Location: Seventh Heaven
Posted: Thu Feb 03, 2005 8:01 am Post subject:
fern wrote: U guys R so full of sh!t Another Muzzie retort with great pearls of wisdom! _________________ "There's nothing an agnostic can't do if he really doesn't know whether he believes in anything or not." -Graham Chapman
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elpiojo
Joined: 30 Jan 2005 Posts: 8
Posted: Thu Feb 03, 2005 9:27 am Post subject:
a_student wrote: fern wrote: U guys R so full of sh!t Another Muzzie retort with great pearls of wisdom!
The only things full of sh!t are there eyes, ears and skulls.
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Hume
Joined: 22 Apr 2004 Posts: 313
Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2005 11:05 pm Post subject:
It has been some months, and to my surprise my changes have survived the editing, did anyone else improve upon some articles? _________________ BAH, Humbug!
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elpiojo
Joined: 30 Jan 2005 Posts: 8
Posted: Sun Mar 27, 2005 5:00 am Post subject:
Hume wrote: It has been some months, and to my surprise my changes have survived the editing, did anyone else improve upon some articles?
Well my additions also survived and I think we should take It to the next level.
There is in the English Wikipedia an page http://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Islamophobia
And it’s linked quit many times…. http://wiki.riteme.site/w/index.php?title=Special:Whatlinkshere&target=Islamophobia
Perhaps we can extract the “best lines” from the different Islam articles regarding to opposite views and construct a paragraph which we all could translate in our own languages. This would give a stronger foundation and more point of view to construct a strong but fair paragraphs:
Opposing viewpoints • Entry on Islam in the Apologetics Index database (http://www.apologeticsindex.org/i07.html). While motivated by Christian missionary aims, it also includes many links to articles or books it claims to refute. • Open Directory Project: Islam - Opposing Views
I guess that an paragraph like this one form the German Wikipedia should execist: Der Islam und andere Religionen (islam and other religions) Der Islam unterscheidet bei seiner Betrachtung Andersgläubiger strikt zwischen monotheistischen und polytheistischen Religionen. Juden, Christen und Johanneschristen genießen den ausdrücklichen Schutz des Korans und haben als «Schriftbesitzer» (اهل الكتاب ahl al-kitāb) in islamischen Staatswesen eine den Muslimen untergeordnete Stellung als sogenannte Dhimmi, werden aber nicht als Heiden (siehe Schirk und Kufr) betrachtet, wenn sie den Regeln ihrer Religion gemäß leben. Gegen heidnisch-schamanische, hinduistische, buddhistische, taoistische und andere religiöse Systeme dagegen ist der Dschihad zulässig und Allah gefällig, den Anhängern dieser Religionen bleibt nur die Wahl zum Islam überzutreten oder getötet zu werden. Bemerkenswert ist auch, dass man dem Islam zufolge nur zum Islam übertreten, aber niemals aus dem Islam "austreten" und sich einer anderen Weltanschauung oder Religion zuwenden kann, obwohl Artikel 18 der "Allgemeinen Erklärung der Menschenrechte" ausdrücklich Religionsfreiheit jeder Art und das Recht auf Religionswechsel in jede Richtung proklamiert. Dennoch müssen Muslime, die den Islam verlassen, oftmals mit ihrer Ermordung durch ihre im Islam verbliebenen Glaubensgenossen rechnen, denn das Recht auf Religionswechsel im Sinne des Rechtes auf Verlassens des Islam wird von der islamischen Gemeinde (Ummah) nicht anerkannt.
And i also like this line form the Spanisch one. (it’s a doctrine and it should be a part of all Islam related articles.
Doctrina Su libro sagrado, el Corán (Al-Qur'an, la lectura por excelencia) forma la base de la doctrina islámica. The holly book the koran (bla bla) is the foundation / base for the doctrine Islam. (I like that line…)
I hope there are people who want to help, we can coordinate the main article here!?? This is important to make sure that whoever looks up information related to islam will always be exposed to the whole story (pros en cons)
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Hume
Joined: 22 Apr 2004
Posts: 313
Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2005 12:01 pm Post subject:
Well I made a little start for Aisha in dutch. Does anuone know how many wifes and concubines Mohammed had?
http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/A%EFsja _________________ BAH, Humbug!
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dsj
Joined: 02 Apr 2005 Posts: 184
Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2005 4:19 pm Post subject:
How did you people know so many languages? And I think that we need to edit the discriptions of battles and wars. All seem to say that the ottomans could have easily crushed the christains if they wanted to. And the west today should thank islam for it's scientific stepping stone for europe to climb out of the dark ages.
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Sir Galahad
Joined: 16 Jun 2004 Posts: 1199 Location: Avalon
Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2005 12:20 am Post subject:
dsj wrote: How did you people know so many languages? And I think that we need to edit the discriptions of battles and wars. All seem to say that the ottomans could have easily crushed the christains if they wanted to. And the west today should thank islam for it's scientific stepping stone for europe to climb out of the dark ages.
Dear dsj,
Many people on this forum are not native speakers of English. They can speak and write in their native language and in English. Hume, for instance, is Dutch. There are also some multilingual posters on this forum. I agree with you that those claims about the Ottomans should be changed. They did try to conquer Europe several times. What were their armies doing in the vicinity of Vienna after all?
Kind regards, _________________ Courage is rightly esteemed the first of human qualities, because it is the quality which guarantees all others. _Winston Churchill
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dsj
Joined: 02 Apr 2005 Posts: 184
Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2005 1:49 pm Post subject:
Sir Galahad wrote: dsj wrote: How did you people know so many languages? And I think that we need to edit the discriptions of battles and wars. All seem to say that the ottomans could have easily crushed the christains if they wanted to. And the west today should thank islam for it's scientific stepping stone for europe to climb out of the dark ages.
Dear dsj,
Many people on this forum are not native speakers of English. They can speak and write in their native language and in English. Hume, for instance, is Dutch. There are also some multilingual posters on this forum. I agree with you that those claims about the Ottomans should be changed. They did try to conquer Europe several times. What were their armies doing in the vicinity of Vienna after all?
Kind regards, That's why people should pay attention to victor hanson's papers and books. They are all about westerners being superior militarily at all times. I didn't know that you people knew so many languages. I only know 2.
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Sir Galahad
Joined: 16 Jun 2004 Posts: 1199 Location: Avalon
Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2005 5:36 am Post subject:
dsj wrote: That's why people should pay attention to victor hanson's papers and books. They are all about westerners being superior militarily at all times. I didn't know that you people knew so many languages. I only know 2.
Dear dsj,
Many forummers are non-Western. I am not sure whether Western or non-Western posters are more likely to speak more than two languages. Like you, I only know one foreign language.
Kind regards,