Talk:Islam

Article reliability

To the recent editor who just reverted, what makes you think that the article I cited was unreliable? It's only deemed as unreliable if I get a warning before I click publish. However, this wasn't the case when I added this article about birth rates of Muslims. ShawarmaFan07 (talk) 20:37, 7 October 2024 (UTC)( Blocked sockpuppet of LDas12345, see investigation)

@Jeppiz. I think he's tryna talk to you. Your welcome. Hacked (Talk|Contribs) 22:57, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

@ShawarmaFan07 You need to read WP:RS. Wikipedia has rather strict rules for reliable sources. Just finding an Internet page that says something is not enough. Before you continue Wikipedia, it would be good to familiarise yourself with Wikipedia policies. Jeppiz (talk) 23:27, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 October 2024

For any image that depicts the prophet, angel and gods face should be removed because in islam it is very disrespectful to do so because it encourages idolatry, or the worship of physical objects. This is inconsistent with the Muslim faith's monotheism, which teaches that God alone should be worshipped.

whenever i see these i feel disrespected as i myself am muslim and a follower of islam i find it wrong to just see ancient paintings of something and immediatly think its right without background checking it with an actual muslim thank you for reading this and goodbye. Fnafkidfrom2014 (talk) 23:03, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: Wikipedia is not censored. FifthFive (talk) 23:58, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Wrong information about Islam

Islam is oldest religion in the world, please correct it , the first prophet was Adam ( from life start of Human Beings ) and the last was Muhammad: The first prophet, considered the father of the human race. His story teaches about forgiveness, obedience, and patience. Muhammad The last prophet, who received a divine gift of revelation through the angel Gabriel. Both Sunni and Shi'a Muslims believe that no new prophet can arise after Muhammad. Idris (Enoch), Nuh (Noah), Hud (Heber), Saleh (Methusaleh), Lut (Lot), Ibrahim (Abraham), Ismail (Ishmael), Ishaq (Isaac), Yaqub (Jacob), and Yusuf (Joseph) etc there is more then one lakh messenger from God till the last 117.254.233.106 (talk) 00:34, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

The article already states that Muslims believe this. WP is not in the business of stating religious beliefs as facts - regardless of which religion it is. Jtrevor99 (talk) 00:41, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

Every scholarly source states otherwise. On Wikipedia, we go by what reliable sources state. SKAG123 (talk) 23:14, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

Title

The title for Fasting should have a / then say Sawm. I know this form my religion being Islam. Ali.kazimiA (talk) 20:33, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

Incorrect Fact On Islam

Hi ! How Can You Just Say That Islam Was Spreading Father Due To The Fertility Rate ? Theres Thousands and Thousands Of Reverts Across Globe And Reverting Rate Was Much Higher. That fertility Fact Was Too Descriminating and Replicating Propaganda Myths . So I Request Someone Who Can Access The Edit Section Of This To Edit The Part . Thanks So Much ItsTrueNow (talk) 11:36, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

According to the latest study conducted by the Pew Research Center, conversion does not play a significant role in the population growth of religions, including Islam. The study states that the primary factors driving this growth are fertility rates and median ages. The source is included in the demographic section. If you have any new research sources suggesting that Muslim population growth is mainly due to religious conversion, please share them along with the sources. I have reverted your last edit as it was not supported by a source. Durziil89 (talk) 12:24, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

Infobox issue

On behalf of @William M. Connolley's request, I will make a discussion regarding the "separation from:" parameter and its value within the infobox, I am inviting @Sinclairian and @Jtrevor99 to join the discussion.

First of all, I've been skimming this article and the History of Islam in order to find the information regarding the separation of Islam from ancient Arabian (possibly just Meccan) polytheism, and from this article alone I found no indication or evidence to support this particular information to be kept in the infobox. But I do, in fact find some information regarding the relationship between Muhammad early religious activity and Meccan paganism, but it is still ambiguous and cannot explain the whole idea of Islam being parted from Arabian polytheism.

This is why I insisted on removing the data, until a clear and unequivocal information is given and included in this article alone. I advocated the use of Infobox in any article, but not if the information given by the infobox is misleading or contradictory with the content of the article, I heavily discouraged the policy of adding or keeping unsourced information in the infobox. Mhatopzz (talk) 18:00, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

See WP:CITEREF. My objection was to your deletion of references to the Separations section, and the three references it contained which back up the assertions of that section. Meanwhile, the article you deleted the link to, Religion in pre-Islamic Arabia, contains references that back up that assertion. That said, I will have to defer to other editors: I am traveling for the next few weeks for holiday, and Internet connectivity will be questionable starting in an hour or two. Good luck. Jtrevor99 (talk) 18:23, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

Okay, I agree with the separations section, but the separated from section does not reflect the article (see MOS:INFOBOXPURPOSE), the particular claim that Islam is separated from Arabian polytheism is not described at all within the article, and infobox is supposed to be made to summarize the whole article, not to add something up. That is why I said, this particular claim needs a source and mention as well, if not well then remove it, and that's it. Hope everyone understands. Mhatopzz (talk) 23:03, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

Just chiming in as a random person but I completely agree there’s no source or anything to back up that Islam is separated from Polythiesm of any kind and it’s an entirely false and made up claim. It’s a completely Abrahamic religion so this must be removed from the infobox and I support your removal. Thanks Rafnator9 (talk) 16:50, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

I support its removal. But I do, in fact find some information regarding the relationship between Muhammad early religious activity and Meccan paganism, but it is still ambiguous and cannot explain the whole idea of Islam being parted from Arabian polytheism. With sources that contrast the two faiths, it might come down to what they mean by "separated": (1) some adherents gradually modified elements of the faith until it was a distinct religion? or (2) among the population, Islam appealed to more and more adherents until the population comprised two distinct groups? I think common wisdom says (2) is true. I agree, we'd want some sources that explicity spell out (1), if it's going to be in the infobox. My two cents. _signed, Willondon (talk) 17:05, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

Abrahamic religions also separate from polytheism. They do not fall from heaven.

The separation from Polytheism is basically common sense and should fall under WP:BLUE. Where else does Islam come from then? VenusFeuerFalle (talk) 04:10, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

The article pretty much states that it originated and separated from Arabic polytheism in the section "Muhammad and the beginning of Islam (570–632)"? You do not need to cite the sky is blue. If Islam does not derive from Arabic polytheism, from what is it deriving? VenusFeuerFalle (talk) 04:13, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

I see no objection to remove it as long as it is done for good reasons.

The only scholars who claim that Islam began as a Christian sect are from the Revisionist school of Islamic studies. Evidence for their claims are lacking at best if not outright diametrically to a vast majority of primary and secondary sources. Wang, Shutao. in: The origins of Islam in the Arabian context. MS thesis. The University of Bergen, 2016. explains the issues pretty well on pages 21-23. So, if not from polytheism, where does Islam come from?

Your arguement is that we should simply leave it open because there is no explicit statement. Please note that basic calculations or combining two logical propositions are not Original Research WP:CALC. Likewise, obvious examples do not need to be cited (WP:BLUE). Both Muslim sources as well as Western sources agree that Islam parted from Arabian Paganism by asserting that the Arabs should worship only Allah and not any other deity. I do not see how this claim (separated from Arabic Polytheism) can be wrong except from a religious point of view, which violates neutrality (WP:ABRAHAMICPOV).

If there is good reason to doubt the general consensus that Islam derives from Mecca and that Mecca was predominently polytheistic, I agree with the removal, but if not I object to that. VenusFeuerFalle (talk) 04:29, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

@VenusFeuerFalle, I think it would have merit to supply an inline citation for this particular entry in the infobox. And, I must admit, I am not quite sure that the reasoning here is sufficiently rudimentary as to avoid WP:SYNTH—but to be clear it is just unsurety presently. Moreover, WP:BURDEN seems to apply. Remsense ‥ 论 04:58, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 December 2024

In this article it is written that MUHAMMAD SAW is the founder of islam which is not true . Muhammad saw were the last messenger of ALLAH SW. according to Quran & sahih Hadith. 106.215.131.199 (talk) 14:58, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: we characterize Muhammad based on reliable sources. We consider scripture and other traditional religious works to be primary sources, and as such generally do not cite them directly. Remsense ‥ 论 15:01, 24 December 2024 (UTC)