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Hello please dont delete without any discussion , its illegal to vandal all of it.

@Pahlevun: hello my dear friend . u musnt delete all of the template without any discussion . cuz this template is in the many articles and those may lost it and became bad sector articles. please after any vandalizing ask a question from the writer in its talk page or go o an admin and ask him for ur problem . if u would do it again, i must tell to an admin to protect it, for your vandalized edits . tnx so much . i hope u understand me . be happy and healthy my dear friend.Amir Muhammad 14:19, 26 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@AmirMuhammad1: You are pushing you solitary opinion. Only official symbols are undisputable and they are the only links deserving to stay in the template, because templates tend to provide navigation between articles related to a single, coherent subject. Pahlevun (talk) 14:23, 26 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Pahlevun: my dear buddy! pahlevun; please keep calm, we dont have any fight we are crew in this project we are not enemies. we r?. please let me edit and improve . im a member of iran project and u r not . it means i have some rights to do action and u must tell me errors to delet not to vandal all of the template, one-by-one, article-by-article its not true . i can understand u and i will delete the errors for example additional subject that not related to this . please come down and be easy and just let me edite and improv . actually i need time and i have just two hands . im a member of iran project and im trying to make better iran related articles then if its possible for you please just tell me errors and give me time and let me improve those errors Amir Muhammad 14:31, 26 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@AmirMuhammad1: Make arguments on why your opinion is right, instead of unrelated talk or the discussion would be a waste of time. Pahlevun (talk) 14:34, 26 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Pahlevun: i said for thousand time my friend . im a a member of iran project . for a long time im editing and making iran project related articles . it just means im improving all of iran project related . please before any edit, mention me or other specialist . u r vandalizing a person said u . im not first guy see it here. all of your edit was just vandalizing cuz u delete article-by-article this template without any discussion for a few days and its just means Vandalism . pls dont resume this talk . cuz i have to go . and then i improve and delte errors . please dont delete and destroy this legal template. ur after me and its just Wikipedia:Witchhunt. bye . be happy and wealthy my friend.

@AmirMuhammad1: No arguments seen. I'm done discussing with you. Pahlevun (talk) 10:42, 28 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@LouisAragon, Rye-96, and JJMC89: Hello. Please comment on the criteria to link articles in the template. I think the only undisputable solution is linking official symbols adopted by Iranian governments. Pahlevun (talk) 10:46, 28 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Pahlevun: are you kidding me dude?? Iranian government?? its cultural subject and not governmental . Iranian governments have no rule for official Iranian symbols . and even if had we can not judge culture based on governmental policy . its not a politic subject . its only people based and people are separate from govm and politic. we must be "Neutral" . for example governments is opposed to Chaharshanbe Suri (Fire work Wednesday) while people are celebrating in everywhere of Iran and the reason of governments is only extremely religious!!. govm can not change culture Amir Muhammad 13:18, 28 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@AmirMuhammad1: That's why you have linked Imperial Standards of Iran in the template? Anyway, There are two kinds of national symbols: official and unofficial. National symbol#Common official national symbols like flags, emblems, etc. are simply adopted by governments (that's what makes it official) and cannot be disputed. Unofficial symbols are highly disputable. For example, I don't consider Chaharshanbe Suri to be "national symbol", it's simply a ritual event rooting in ancient Persian empires. Pahlevun (talk) 13:40, 28 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

hey man do not speak like you are a member of IRGC and you hates Pahlavi dynasty . we must be Neutral its our duty here and everywhere.im not an extremer participant but i i was i didnt act like fan of Ahmadinejad. then i must ensure you I did not add Imperial Standards of Iran . cant see??? refer to view history . by the way i reported your "non-Neutral" actions (like your last ping) to Admins Noticeboard and you can say your reasons there based on documents not your politic favorites. your last edit ensured me you have not any respect for WP:Neutral. Amir Muhammad 13:51, 28 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Many things were created and formed by the former empires of Iran and of equally many things, Iran is the sole legitimate "historical" owner. Many events in Iranian history are immortalized (e.g. Babak Khorammdins uprising, the Constitutional Revolution of the early 20th century, etc. etc.), and many celebrations are indeed verifiably (but unoficcially) considered "Iranian national symbols". However, I don't see the urge, or rather, necessity, to create a template for all these events and matters as it's way too open for personal interpretation, and any invidivual may find a different array of events and figures more important than someone else does. There are many events and figures in Iranian history that are commonly accepted to be immortalized for example, however, the last 35 years created a new ruling layer in Iranian society who significantly (eufemism) differ in ideology and opinion as compared to the ruling layers before that, as well as of many Iranians (incl. academics) in general even nowadays both inside the nation as well as in the diaspora. As a result of that, there are quite a few Iranians who may find many other peoples and events very important or even consider those to be "national Iranian symbols". To put it short; as long as not a team of academics, or the government itself, have compiled some sort of list regarding "Iranian national symbols", please don't re-add it again. Its way too complex regarding the merits of who/what should be included, its way too open for self-interpretation, and way too prone for edit-warring. Also I don't think (@AmirMuhammad1) its the first time either that multiple editors are telling you to stop adding it. Lastly, @AmirMuhammad1; please don't falsely accuse other people in the future of "illegal" acts and "vandalism" when you don't seem to have the slightest clue what WP:VANDAL actually means. Bests and thanks - LouisAragon (talk) 14:30, 28 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@LouisAragon: hi dude .tnx alot for your comment. im Iranian and every country has a template like this, why Iran cant?? and im not a "non-Neutral" .and i delete some subjects that i added when i found its not legal to add here. for example Ali Daei. but i re-added Yaldā Night cuz its 100% obviously(without any dispute) an Iranian symbol an Iranian festival second most popular after Nowruz and its legacy. you are out of Iran . im celebrating Yalda Night for all of my life with all of Iranians everywhere, out or in. a live direct link dont need additional reference when its obvious an Iranian symbol . only Iran can have a situation like this cuz its history is so longer than any country in all of the world . for example Egypt is a historic country but only things of that is related to its history is just its name(or solid statues of pharaohs), but rest of Egypt except its name became an Arabian . but in Iran the historic language (Persian), Religion (Zoroastrianism), or culture (Persian Culture) or arts(Persian arts) are still alive. Iran is an exception .You mustn't compare Iran with another when you dont know what will discover tomorrow in Iran, for example (Jiroft culture; Aretha; discovered 2000s). Iran even dont stop making culture(for example Quds Day) or religion( for example Bahá'í Faith) etc.. i dont speak emotional when im seeing all around of my world. im a realistic guy but Iran is still an exception in my though. a real dream.Amir Muhammad 18:37, 28 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Upon second thought, I agree with the deletion, since the term "national symbol" implies a certain measure of officiality. Debresser (talk) 19:18, 29 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]