Template talk:Culture of Bengal

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Colors

Can it use better looking colors? This one is a health hazard. Aditya^{(talk • contribs)} 09:00, 27 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

This one was copied straight from Template:Azerbaijanis. There is more than one colour here. Even the text has a colour. Matching colours/ shades is a difficult task. I am not an expert at it. Moreover, the colour of the template should not fowl with the theme photograph. Someone else can try. Cheers. - Chandan Guha (talk) 11:45, 27 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I second this! Can not read anything in the template! --Tito Dutta (Send me a message)

I have had cataract operations in both my eyes and can still read everything! I don't think personal opinions about something should not be mixed with realities. Instead of complaining, please go ahead and change the colours. I am sure you can do it, because you do a lot of things. Cheers. - Chandan Guha (talk) 16:27, 1 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The image on the template is looking a bit cluttered and pretty illegible. Is it possible to replace it with another image from commons? Aditya^{(talk • contribs)} 07:22, 10 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The articles "culture of Kolkata", "culture of Birbhum" and "culture of Bankura" shouldn't be on the template

Since Kolkata, Birbhum and Bankura are the districts of West Bengal, there cultures are included in the article Culture of West Bengal. If the article Culture of West Bengal is visible on the template, its unnecessary to include the articles "culture of Kolkata", "culture of Birbhum" and "culture of Bankura". --Kmzayeem (talk) 07:48, 10 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Can't agree to that. I propose that we reinstate the "Region" parameter, and develop it with district articles an all. This is about being comprehensive. Just imagine a common reader trying to get a quick access to culture of Bengal and its nuances. Aditya^{(talk • contribs)} 05:19, 7 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Bengal -> Bangladesh: New Chauvinism

It is great to see the Culture of Bengal being turned into Culture of Bangladesh. - Chandan Guha (talk) 15:18, 6 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Culture of Bangladesh looks a like a blind copy of this template, with only the name changed. I propose a deletion of the latter one. And, in the portals area I propose that we replace Portal:Bangladesh with Portal:Bengal to be more in accordance with the scope. But, may be a little toning down of the rhetoric will be more conductive to collaboration. Aditya^{(talk • contribs)} 05:09, 7 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

redundant, superfluous! --Tito Dutta ✉ 05:20, 7 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
requested here: Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2012_June_7#Template:Culture_of_Bangladesh --Tito Dutta ✉ 05:28, 7 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. BTW, I like the cloud of colors beneath you signature. How did you do that? Aditya^{(talk • contribs)} 05:33, 7 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

A regional state can't have a template like this, only a sovereign country can have it since there is a topic National symbols in the template and a regional state can't have its own national symbols. As examples, I have checked articles such as Culture of Maharashtra, Culture of Gujarat, Culture of Tamil Nadu and none of them have templates like this. For more similarity, I have checked article such as Punjabi culture, Culture of Kashmir since these regions are also parts of two sovereign nations like Bengal and here as well I didn't find any template like that. For these reasons, I think its more appropriate to have Template:Culture_of_Bangladesh than Template:Culture_of_Bengal and the latter should be deleted since Bengal is a regional state and Bangladesh is a sovereign country! Kmzayeem (talk) 09:40, 7 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

File:Greater Bangladesh.PNG

All the above arguments can be countered but there is no point in doing that. It is basically a question of outlook. I am thankful to Arparag and Kmzayeem for making me realise that since Bengal ceased to exist in 1947, it was a mistake on my part to name the template:Culture of Bengal. I now think that the original name – Bengali Culture- was more appropriate. It is not the name alone that matters, one has to go deep into contents, put up by both the editors. Moreover, the manner in which the Indian project tags are being removed from Talk:Kavigan, Talk:Alkap Talk:Dhaki etc. pages, raises questions in my mind about Greater Bangladesh. I append below a map, which is up for deletion. I think the map speaks a thousand words. It is fine to put in the Bangladesh project templates, but why remove Indian project tags? - Chandan Guha (talk) 01:10, 8 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Feel free to counter those arguments, I'm still on a dilemma that whether the Template:Culture of Bengal should exist or not since, as I said earlier, the National symbol part is still in red and indicating 'Page does not exist'! -Kmzayeem (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 15:33, 8 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I think Kmzayeem is mixing up Bengal and West Bengal. West Bengal is not Bengal, it is only a part of it. Bangladesh was earlier East Bengal. Bengal was never a sovereign state, it was always a region or area, with many common cultural traits, particularly a common language. This template originally aimed at focussing on the cultural commonalities. Arparag "modernised" the template and shifted at least part of the focus to political differences. There is no need for the state symbols, in a template for a region. As regards symbols, it is wrong to say that West Bengal does not have state symbols. These are same as those of India. So, if one is bent upon keeping the state symbols in this template, one can include those of Bangladesh and India. This template is full of red dots, because the relevant articles (particularly with a Bangladesh base) do not exist. I feel that the template was copied from that of a nation-state and imposed thoughtlessly on Bengal. This template can still go through some changes - keeping in mind whether one wants to highlight the similarities that bind the two regions or one wants to highlight the dissimilarities that divided the two. I think Arparag has a role to play. - Chandan Guha (talk) 00:52, 9 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Both of you - STOP

Chandan Guha, please stop making nationalistic slurs, there is no place in Wikipedia for this. If you continue to do this I'll have to report your behavior to WP:ANI, which is not pretty scenario. Other editors involved don't agree to Kmzayeem, and there is no reason to spread hate on Wikipedia. If you want you can report him for vandalism, tag him with {{subst:uw-disruptive3}} or a similar warning, and bring it to the greater community here (the last can apply to you too, given the current line of conversation).

And for your information Greater Bangladesh is not a Bangladeshi scheme to overtake India (if you disagree, please provide non-nationalistic evidence). Wikipedia is not a battleground. That image should not be here either, because the sole use of that piece of unsupported original research is eaxtly what you are doing – showing bad manners and/or using Wikipedia as a sopa box. Even the header of this conversation not appreciated in the least.

As for Kmzayeem, please stop your tendentious editing. If you continue to that someone will have to bring you to the notice of the greater community (if not Chandan Guha, then I'm perfectly willing to do it). Understand that Bengal is NOT "a regional state". It's a cultural and historical entity that covers both the state of West Bengal and the independent nation of Bangladesh, as well parts of Tripura and Assam. It's NOT about an independence, but about cultural identity. Don't take you misinformation to edit warring. That's serious violation of Wikipedia editing policy and reportable to WP:ANEW.

I hope this wont escalate any more. In fact, I am taking this to the Mediation Cabal right away. Aditya^{(talk • contribs)} 06:29, 10 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, I am stopping and withdrawing from this page temporarily. If that leads to positive results, fine. Let me wait and watch. - Chandan Guha (talk) 12:11, 10 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

IMO, Aditya could have a waited a little bit more before mediation cabal. Things were apparently getting better in the last two days. Anyway, I hope things will settle down. Kmzayeem would realize his mistakes, and Chandan, as usual, would continue his invaluable contribution. Regards.--Dwaipayan (talk) 15:27, 10 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Dwaipayan, thanks for the advice. Chandan, let's now get on to making the template better (starting a discussion below). As for Kmzayeem, I believe we all can take care of his mistake collectively. Aditya^{(talk • contribs)} 04:13, 12 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

More hands

We need more hands here since the culture of Bengal is a pretty under-addressed set of topics. Aditya^{(talk • contribs)} 09:51, 12 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

BTW, I have used a picture of a Baul, as it embodies the core of Bengali culture - non-sectarian, musical and mystic. It also is cleaner than festival pictures we have. But, I couldn't find a more colorful Baul without portraying Purna Dus or some similar celebrity. I don't mind a festival picture as long they are not too cluttered to become almost illegible (as the previous picture was). Or shall we use the greatest character in Bengali culture - Rabindranath? Aditya^{(talk • contribs)} 05:23, 13 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Seeing the image of that Baul people from America and Europe will think– that's Bengali culture–culture of tribal people! --Tito Dutta ✉ 05:27, 13 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Lolz. Jongli. Do you have any other image in mind? I went through the commons quickly and found nothing that would look good and would not be misrepresentation. Aditya^{(talk • contribs)} 13:46, 13 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Two proposals:

Please, remove the "symbols" parameter. It serves no purpose here (see, Chandan's argument above). It's quite an eyesore and a potential battle ground too.
Create a lead image in the way the British people template did (of course, not as elaborate, the example image is huge). May be use Mahasthan, Durga, Bagerhat mosque, Rabindranath, Baul, Panta-ilish, Kalirghat paut, Boishakhee parade, and Ekushey Shahid Minar in a 9X9 matrix, representing Hindu, Bauddha and Muslim religions, ancient, middle and modern eras, festival, religion, language, literature, food, art and music. If we can agree on the images to use, we can ask the Graphic Lab to make one for us.

Say what? Aditya^{(talk • contribs)} 04:29, 17 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]