Template talk:Commons and category inline

Requested move 19 February 2024

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: No consensus for move. Barely any discussion (except by requester and previous mover) after over 1 month at RM. (non-admin closure) Natg 19 (talk) 00:39, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Commons and category inline → Template:Commons and category-inline – Standardize hyphen usage to match the 2 most popular "foo-inline" sister project templates:

{{Commons category-inline}} — 154k transclusions
{{Commons-inline}} — 20k transclusions

~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf) 18:06, 19 February 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. – robertsky (talk) 13:58, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Mclay1: I notice that about a year ago you moved {{Commons and category-inline}} to {{Commons and category inline}}, which this RM is intending to reverse. To what consistency were you referring? ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf) 18:15, 19 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose move and move the others instead – There is inconsistency between hyphen usage in inline template names, but the overwhelming majority do not use a hyphen. To create more consistency, many were moved (not by me) to lose the hyphen, which I noticed and so moved a few others. There were a few I couldn't move for technical reasons. I think we should lose the hyphen in those remaining because grammatically the hyphen doesn't make sense. I get what it's trying to do visually but it's not needed. MClay1 (talk) 01:21, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Mclay1: finding a bunch of poorly transcluded pages using one style or another does not demonstrate consensus. The "-inline" templates I've listed above have far more transclusions than any I could find in your search, and are the de-facto consensus for at least all of the sister project templates, if not beyond. If you want to remove the hyphens from all of them, then you should start an RfC on the topic, or at least RMs at the highest-transcluded hyphenated templates.

This is a better search by the way, as it returns much less garbage, and a much more condensed list of 372 templates containing "inline". Removing the /docs, /sandboxes, /testcases, /styles.css, /arg, /invokes, /examples, /inlines, redirects, inline hockey/skating/etc., yields 114 unique templates ending in " inline" or "-inline". I went ahead and found the # of transclusions for all of them. Here are the top 10, hyphens in bold:

{{Portal-inline}}: 225,987
{{Sister-inline}}: 192,346
{{Commons category-inline}}: 154,117
{{Legend inline}}: 21,740
{{Commons-inline}}: 19,899
{{Wikispecies-inline}}: 12,838
{{Category-inline}}: 8,755
{{Update inline}}: 6,233
{{Primary source inline}}: 6,044
{{Wikivoyage inline}}: 5,926

Summing all 20 "-inline" templates' transclusions yields 436k after {{Sister-inline}}'s duplicates are removed, while " inline"'s 94 yield only 72k, or ~14% of the total.

Consensus is clearly in favor of "-inline". ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf) 14:03, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think that makes any sense to use transclusions as consensus. Using a template is not an endorsement of its name. The number of templates in a particular style is a better indicator of consensus. Some of them were moved by consensus, see for example Template talk:Primary source inline#Requested move 27 May 2015. A lot of templates just don't get renamed because most people don't care.

Use of the hyphen in that way is part of an old style of template name that doesn't fit the current general consensus on naming templates with readable names in proper English. The reason the most-used ones haven't been renamed is because it's more difficult to move them. Unless there is a compelling reason why they should use a hyphen, it makes the most sense to get rid of the hyphens. MClay1 (talk) 11:21, 21 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Mclay1: the more transclusions a template has, the more people have seen it and made a judgement about its name and function, and so should be favored over much less frequently transcluded templates. An exception could be made for younger templates, but {{Portal-inline}}, {{Sister-inline}}, & {{Commons category-inline}} have been around since 2010, 2011, & 2006, respectively.

I care more about consistency than I do about the style. If you feel strongly about removing the hyphens, then open RMs on the hyphenated templates, linking back to this discussion. Otherwise, right now, given the data above, all the sister project templates should be hyphenated. ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf) 14:08, 21 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisting comment: For clearer consensus – robertsky (talk) 13:58, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.