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Here are some more closed stations in Kent (not former bits of Kent in London thankfully!). Some lines are closed other are closed stations on open line or just freight lines

Some cracking work has been done by User:Efficacy, here is hoping other can continue the good work 91.109.230.127 (talk) 17:24, 22 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

As per the comment above, great work on this template. Just thought I would point out a couple more missing (and very obscure!) stations:
St Lawrence & Ebbsfleet were the two immediate stops to the west of Ramsgate Town, and Monks Lane was on the Oxted Line between Hurst Green and Edenbridge Town. There is a useful atlas here: [1]. Finally, was Shakespeare Cliff Halt ever more than a staff halt (like Hoo Junction)? Lamberhurst (talk) 13:44, 27 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I (anon user above) just had a quick(ish) look through kentrail.co.uk's excellent map, must have missed those few. I didn't check my New Adlestrop, but on some of the less well written about areas like the various stops, halt, and stations between Folkstone and Dover (Kentrail.co.uk has a good article on one), i also know very little of the sheppy area and the Southern era remodelling of the LCDR and SER lines around Thanet. I've been unable to find anything online about the SER branch to Rochester and Chatham other than all that remains is the current railway bridge. 91.109.217.191 (talk) 00:29, 28 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Kings Ferry Bridge North Halt would appear to be the same as Swale North Halt. Mjroots (talk) 10:45, 28 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Butt (pp. 197, 134, 225) shows the following:
  • RIDHAM DOCK HALT
OP November 1917; CL 1919; RO&RN King's Ferry Bridge South Halt 1 March 1922.
  • KINGS FERRY BRIDGE SOUTH HALT
RO&RF Ridham Dock Halt 1 March 1922; RN Swale Halt 1 June 1929.
  • SWALE HALT
RF King's Ferry Bridge South Halt 1 June 1929; CL 20 April 1960.
  • KINGS FERRY BRIDGE NORTH HALT
OP 1 March 1922; CL 1 November 1923
and, in McCarthy et al (map 5) we have:
  • Kings Ferry Bridge North Halt (1922)[1923]
  • Kings Ferry Bridge Halt (1922) / 1st Swale Halt (1929) [1960] / 2nd Swale (1960)
So, no mention of any "Swale North Halt" in either; although the names of the station at the south end of the bridge are in dispute.
Sources:
  • Butt, R.V.J. (1995). The Directory of Railway Stations. Yeovil: Patrick Stephens Ltd. ISBN 1 85260 508 1. R508.
  • McCarthy, Colin; McCarthy, David; Cobb, Michael (2007). Waller, Peter (ed.). Kent and Sussex. Railways of Britain. Hersham: Ian Allan. ISBN 978 0 7110 3222 4. 0710/C1. {{cite book}}: Unknown parameter |month= ignored (help)
Ridham Dock Staff Halt became Swale Halt. Swale North opened in Dec 1922 and closed on 1 Nov 23. (Kidner, R. W. (1985). Southern Railway Halts. Survey and Gazetteer. Headington, Oxford: The Oakwood Press. pp. p56. ISBN 085361 321 4. {{cite book}}: |pages= has extra text (help); Cite has empty unknown parameters: |coauthors= and |month= (help)} Thus is it pretty certain the Swale North and Kingsferry Bridge North are one and the same. Mjroots (talk) 06:33, 19 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
You mention Kidner; I don't have that book, but I do have two others he was involved in, which list stations.
  • Croughton, Godfrey; Kidner, R.W.; Young, Alan (1982). Private and Untimetabled Railway Stations. Trowbridge: Oakwood Press. pp. 92, 118. ISBN 0 85361 281 1.
    • Ridham Dock (Branch from Swale Halt) (grid reference TQ9268) purpose "workmen" Nov 1917-1919
    • King's Ferry Bridge Halt (between Swale Halt and Queenborough) (TQ913692) purpose "workmen" 25 Nov 1913-Dec 1922, became public halt
    • King's Ferry Bridge Halt North Side (between King's Ferry Bridge and Queenborough) (TQ916695) purpose "engineering work" Dec 1922-1 Nov 1923, temporary terminus after damage to bridge
  • Dendy Marshall, C.F.; Kidner, R.W. (1963) [1937]. History of the Southern Railway (2nd ed.). Shepperton: Ian Allan. pp. 522, 542, 531. ISBN 0 7110 0059 X.
    • King's Ferry Bridge Halt opened Dec 1922
    • Swale Halt renamed from King's Ferry Bridge Halt 1 July 1929
    • Swale Halt (opened as King's Ferry Bridge Halt) opened Dec 1922
Again, no mention of any "Swale North". --Redrose64 (talk) 10:44, 19 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Another book i've found:
This has Swale Halt and Swale as distinct stations, but again, no mention of "Swale North [Halt]".
  • Kingsferry Bridge was closed on 17/12/22 for repairs for nearly a year. During that time temporary platforms were erected on either side of the river. Kingsferry Bridge North closed completely with the re-opening of the bridge on 01/11/23. The platforms to the south were officially opened as Swale Halt on 05/06/29. It was replaced in 1960 by a new station on the diverted line, following the opening of a new bridge, on 10/04/60.
  • Swale was opened on 10/04/1960 with the diversion of the line and was also known as Swale for Ridham Dock, nameboards removed summer 1980.
--Redrose64 (talk) 18:58, 19 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Kidner p56:-

"SWALE HALT (1913). On Sheerness branch at crossing of R. Swale. Originally a staff halt, possibly called Ridham Dock. Became public from December 1922 when a ship collision put the bridg out of action; Halt also set up on N side of Swale during time the bridge was closed, to 1st November 1923., when N halt closed, S halt named Kings Ferry Bridge Halt; renamed Swale Halt 1929. Bridge re-aligned and new halt opened 20th April, 1960, with road on down side, instead of up side as before."

From the above it seems that the halts were Swale Halt and Swale North Halt. Mjroots (talk) 19:04, 19 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

(ec) I've checked Kidner's Southern Railway Halts book and he only mentions a "Swale Halt" (p. 56). Originally a staff halt "possibly known as Ridham Dock [Halt]", Butt mentions it as open between 1917-1919 (p. 197). It then reopens to the public from Dec. 1922 as "Kings Ferry Bridge South" (Butt, p. 134), before undergoing a change of name to Swale Halt as from 1 June 1929. This halt lasted until 20 April 1960 (Butt, p. 225) when it was replaced by the current Swale upon the line being "diverted" (Clinker, p. 179). A second halt was opened on the north side of Swale when the railway bridge was involved in a collision with a ship. This was known as open between Dec. 1922 and 1 Nov. 1923 pending completion of the repair works (Clinker, p. 165). Only two entries are therefore called for on this template:

The Ridham Dock mentioned above is not to be confused with the Ridham Dock terminus of the Bowaters Paper Railway. Lamberhurst (talk) 19:19, 19 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

To Mjroots: your text gives names to the southern halt (and is also vague about the changes of name, both the names used and the dates applicable), but not to the northern. Please be wary of introducing WP:SYNTHESIS. --Redrose64 (talk) 19:34, 19 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Are you saying I've misinterpreted it. The way I read it is that the halts were named Swale Halt and Swale North Halt (for which an article exists). The dates of closure match, if not the opening dates. Mjroots (talk) 19:47, 19 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The wording of the text lends itself to confusion; in any event Kidner is outnumbered by the sources which make no mention of "Swale North". Course (p. 150) gives further details: "During the period of closure to trains from 1 March until 1 November 1923 the two platforms were named Kings Ferry Bridge North and Kings Ferry Bridge South respectively. After the bridge was reopened, the north platform was closed and the southern one retained its name of Kings Ferry Bridge until 1 July 1929 when it became Swale Halt." I think this is essentially what Kidner is saying, albeit it more clearly. Lamberhurst (talk) 20:12, 19 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I've moved the Swale North Halt railway station article to Kings Ferry Bridge North Halt railway station. The date of opening is different in both sources so this needs referencing in the article. Mjroots (talk) 20:16, 19 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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