Template talk:COVID-19 pandemic data/France medical cases chart

Percentage of recovered cases

Would it be interesting to describe the variation of recovered cases with a percentage, just like what is done for the fatalities and the active cases? Methinks it would enable the reader to form a judgement on the dynamic of this pandemic.

Caocoa (talk) 17:52, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Number of recovered cases

So, why is there a discrepancy in the number of recovered cases in the chart and in the box above ?

As of March 15th, it says 48 recovered in the box, but only 12 in the chart. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.41.147.198 (talk) 14:40, 15 March 2020 (UTC)

WikiProject COVID-19

I've created WikiProject COVID-19 as a temporary or permanent WikiProject and invite editors to use this space for discussing ways to improve coverage of the ongoing 2019–20 coronavirus pandemic. Please bring your ideas to the project/talk page. Stay safe, --Another Believer _(Talk) 18:12, 15 March 2020 (UTC)

Number of deaths for 18/03.

Is it 244 or 264? The second number appears here — https://www.francetvinfo.fr/sante/maladie/coronavirus/coronavirus-avec-89-deces-en-24-heures-la-situation-s-aggrave-rapidement-en-france_3873697.html --S-Gatekeeper (talk) 07:22, 19 March 2020 (UTC)

UPD.: another source — https://www.france24.com/en/20200318-france-reports-big-spike-in-coronavirus-deaths-taking-toll-to-264 — says "264" and "increase of almost 51 percent". --S-Gatekeeper (talk) 08:12, 19 March 2020 (UTC)

244 at 2pm and 264 its at 7pm. Viruscorona2020 (talk) 10:21, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

Excessive data on the chart

The change in deaths should either be absolute or relative as having both bloats the chart (this is not a spreadsheet) and breaks the lines on mobile. I'll wait until a decision is made to convert the chart to the newest standard ('data' parameter). Alexiscoutinho (talk) 03:08, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

Data incongruence

Why the "official data" reported here are much low compared to the data of the John Hopkins University? The suspect is that the official data are slow and not promptly updated, so we should maybe consider to switch to the JHU source. --151.20.234.78 (talk) 09:23, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

Yes, I agree we should use the data of the John Hopkins University because the official data are not clear. I think they are not taking into account the numbers of cases in the EHPADs structures, they are doing it only for the deaths. The press is not mentioning the total cases anymore either. LiPDC (talk) 10:24, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

Question, how John Hopkins University can have figures of cases in France? what's their tools? LillyAndalucia (talk) 19:58, 7 April 2020 (UTC)

You can find JHU's sources here: https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map-faq. Actually, I guess their source for France is Worldometers because the datasets match (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/france/). Scroll down this page and find their sources: they manually integrate data from France's Health Department with Governement statements on COVID-related deaths occurring in nursing homes. Finedelledanze (talk) 08:22, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

I agree that we should use the total values. This are official numbers as well, it is only that the French government is publishing them as too separate data sets, the hospital numbers on the one side and the EHPAD (retirement/assisted living houses) numbers on the other. For the interest of this chart and for higher compatibility with the other countries I think we should use add the two values (for a total of 124.869 as of today) Robotrandom (talk) 17:45, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

Robotrandom, Finedelledanze, LillyAndalucia: Note that figures for France at JHU and Worldometer are wrong, since they are double counting some territories as well as cases in EHPAD. You can see a summary of errors here: Wikipedia:WikiProject COVID-19/Case Count Task Force § Common errors. Also you can find a detailed explanation about France here: Template talk:2019–20 coronavirus pandemic data/Archive 11 § France figures, nusing homes included. You can see a breakdown of France figures with explained sources here: User:MarioGom/sandbox/COVID-19 France. I contacted the JHU and hopefully they will fix it soon. --MarioGom (talk) 00:07, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

It's actually between the two. It's clearly explained in this document> https://solidarites-sante.gouv.fr/IMG/pdf/point_de_situation_du_14_avril_2020.pdf Only a part of the announced EHPAD cases is taken into account in the total number (today it's 13050 cases for a total of 103573). The remaining 26680 are not counted because they are not confirmed by a positive test (not enough tests in France). But the fact that they are announced by the government in the Sante Publique website means, in my opinion, that they should be counted. The grand total would not be the sum of the two numbers, since one part is already taken into account (the 13050). The grand total would be 130253 (103573 + 26680).Robotrandom (talk) 19:39, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

"Active cases"

"Active cases" is incorrect. report The French government report cases, hospitalisations, and deaths, as well as retours à domicile (people returning home after going to hospital for COVID-19). We are currently using retours à domicile as "recoveries" which is somewhat incorrect as this does not include persons tested positive who recover having never been to hospital. This creates a bigger problem when we calculate "active cases" as the total cumulative cases minus both deaths and retours à domicile.

This discrepancy was small a few months ago when most positive tests were for hospitalised patients, but as an indicator of how big a discrepancy this creates in the current French testing regime, see that on 1st July 918 new positive cases were reported but there were only 106 nouveaux patients hospitalisés (new hospital admissions). This effectively creates several hundred "active cases" that are likely to never shift to the recovery column.

As a side note, [1] has a full archive of the day-by-day data and automatically produced charts.

I suggest we change "recoveries" to "recovered hospitalised patients", and "active cases" to "other cases". --LukeSurl ^{t c} 15:32, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Missing reports on 18/07 and 19/07

The unchanged case and death numbers on 18/07 and 19/07 seem to be due to missing data either in Geodes (a warning about missing indicators is shown on the home page <https://geodes.santepubliquefrance.fr/>) or in the underlying non-public SI-DEP. Does anyone have more info?

Also on 21/07 the official death toll went down by 12 deaths. Not sure how to footnote it since AFAIK there's no official reason yet. 79.86.170.21 (talk) 21:07, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

Percentage or absolute option for new infections?

I started a discussion on that topic here Project COVID-19, Medical cases charts - change type. My personal opinion is that absolute change display suits much better in an epidemic's second wave. But also the status quo ante (percentage) should be kept here until some agreement is reached (locally or possibly a consensus in linked discussion). -- Kohraa Mondel (talk) 15:25, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

Infections Revised Downward 5-20 by 5.9%

Anonymous contributor made edit on 5-20 that revised the infection totals downward by 5.9%, yet only articles I can find in that same timeframe mention the death total, and say nothing about the total infections. Reason that numbers were reduced so dramatically? Not seeing any news stories that seem to support the revision. Araesmojo (talk) 17:20, 22 May 2021 (UTC)

The source I used for this edit is (as always) the official Santé Publique daily update, which went down from 5.92 million cases on 5-19 <http://web.archive.org/web/20210519225910/https://www.santepubliquefrance.fr/dossiers/coronavirus-covid-19/coronavirus-chiffres-cles-et-evolution-de-la-covid-19-en-france-et-dans-le-monde> to 5.57 on 5-20 <http://web.archive.org/web/20210520230533/https://www.santepubliquefrance.fr/dossiers/coronavirus-covid-19/coronavirus-chiffres-cles-et-evolution-de-la-covid-19-en-france-et-dans-le-monde>, with the comment "The SI-DEP information system (screening information system) has just been updated so that only one patient is counted when he/she is tested several times, as may be the case with the reinforced follow-up of variants. The indicators have been recalculated at the national level. This results in a decrease in the total number of confirmed cases, the positivity rate, and the incidence rate.". This Ouest France article <https://www.ouest-france.fr/sante/virus/coronavirus/le-nombre-de-cas-de-covid-19-surestime-depuis-des-mois-le-taux-d-incidence-revu-a-la-baisse-150e7098-b964-11eb-a0fd-a22b595c4b48> goes into a little more detail. 79.86.170.105 (talk) 19:49, 22 May 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for the response and the links. Been following along and wasn't sure how to apply such a large change in the percentages or where to revise the data back to. Seemed like it might be an error.Araesmojo (talk) 17:07, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

I've added a footnote (actually a 2nd reference to an existing footnote, since there was a similar correction earlier), but the decrease still makes the bars stack badly. Any clue how to fix? 79.86.170.194 (talk) 20:16, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

No such problem exists in this ruwi table, yet there are another problems (data not split between years) — Pietadè (talk) 07:21, 2 June 2021 (UTC)

Revised downwards again on 2021-12-06. Haven't found any info on why yet. I'll either footnote or correct when the government mentions it. 79.86.170.75 (talk) 20:20, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

Must have been a mistake: it's corrected in today's dataset. 79.86.170.75 (talk) 20:32, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

Data no longer reported in source

The main source for this template, https://www.santepubliquefrance.fr/dossiers/coronavirus-covid-19/coronavirus-chiffres-cles-et-evolution-de-la-covid-19-en-france-et-dans-le-monde no longer reports total (or daily) cases or deaths since today 2021-11-24. Weekly seroprevalence and weekly deaths are reported instead. Recoveries are still reported as before.

https://geodes.santepubliquefrance.fr/#c=indicator&f=0&i=covid_hospit_clage10.dc&s=2021-11-24&t=a01&view=map1 is supposed to report total deaths since 2020-03-01, but is about 30k lower than yesterday's published death count. 79.86.170.42 (talk) 19:49, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

Ah, the data is still published in https://www.data.gouv.fr/en/datasets/donnees-relatives-a-lepidemie-de-covid-19-en-france-vue-densemble/ and https://www.data.gouv.fr/fr/datasets/synthese-des-indicateurs-de-suivi-de-lepidemie-covid-19/ 79.86.170.42 (talk) 21:06, 24 November 2021 (UTC)