Template:Did you know nominations/Wad el-Mahi

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: rejected by reviewer, closed by Narutolovehinata5 talk 13:11, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

Wad el-Mahi

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• ... that due to climate change in Sudan, Wad el-Mahi temperature is increasing by 1°C (1.8 °F) per year since the 1970s? Source: UNCIF page 3
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Episode 2351

Created by FuzzyMagma (talk) and Chomik1129 (talk). Nominated by FuzzyMagma (talk) at 19:14, 20 September 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Wad el-Mahi; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.

• Comment: I believe the temperature conversion is incorrect, the conversion is basing this off is when 1 degrees Celsius is the atmospheric temperature but the difference between 1 C and 2 C is not 34 F. 34 F is simply when the temperature is 1 C, so this should probably be adjusted. Ornithoptera (talk) 20:53, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

good catch. Fixed FuzzyMagma (talk) 21:04, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

• ALT1, purely for better idiom: ... that due to climate change in Sudan, temperatures at Wad el-Mahi have increased by 1°C (1.8 °F) per year since the 1970s? Source: UNCIF page 3 Johnbod (talk) 00:34, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

works for me FuzzyMagma (talk) 17:09, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

• Full review needed now that new hook has been proposed. BlueMoonset (talk) 04:24, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

• Comment: While I would very much like to review this and pass it, I'm not happy abut the sourcing, the lack of secondary source coverage about the "locality" (what is it, an area, a town, a city), and the fact that this article wouldn't have qualified for DYK if content from 2022–2023 Blue Nile clashes wasn't added, although it is debatable if that article was used at all, as the content is rewritten entirely to seem fresh and different. So let's assume that this meets WP:DYKLEN, we have 1122 char. about the Blue Nile State and 1188 char. about this topic, even though the material from the Blue Nile appears to have been fully rewritten. Like I said, I want to pass this, but seeing the statistics and the lack of secondary sources, I would probably fail this even if it meets the letter of WP:DYKLEN. What would make me change my mind is to see more content and sourcing about the "locality" (whatever that means). And let's be clear, if it has 100k people living there, it's a certainty that a lot more can be said about this place. What kind of food/dishes/cuisine/specialties are they known for? What are the local religions? Do they have a notable form of music or dance? What is the local industry, agricultural products, and types of cattle raised? Handicrafts and entertainment, such as games, leisure, and recreation? Were there or are there now, native flora and fauna? Famous archaeological sites of interest? Museums? What is the locality known for most of all, historically? Viriditas (talk) 23:54, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

• @FuzzyMagma: thank you for the expansion. I will review and pass momentarily. Viriditas (talk) 20:00, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

@Viriditas: thanks for the review and your questions are really good questions to ask, and I truly wish that I can write about the place culture and include more information about that region beside war but I could not find resources about the locality's culture online. I hope this changes in the future FuzzyMagma (talk) 20:11, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

Issues above have been addressed. Recent copyedits fixed additional issues. Article was moved from draftspace and submitted at DYK, and while it met the bare threshold for length at the time of the nomination, I feel that the recent expansion brought it well over that threshold, exceeding the bare requirements for DYK. The sourcing meets these requirements, and the article is neutral and copyvio-free. Earwig did identify minor close wording that is difficult to avoid, and while it probably didn't need to be rewritten, I did so anyway just to be safe, in case there were any future objections. The hook is cited from the source, which I checked, and the temperature conversion problem noted above was fixed. Map image is freely licensed and the QPQ was completed. Either ALT0 or ALT1 are fine. Commentary: As both an editor and a reader, I appreciate the time and energy FuzzyMagma puts into Africa-related topics. When I first started editing, I tried to work in this subject area and found it one of the most challenging. Thank you again for sticking with it. Viriditas (talk) 20:31, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

Reopening per WT:DYK#Temperature -- a new hook is needed. This has been bumped twice (queue to prep, then another prep) and the WTDYK conversation has stalled. Pinging participants: Art LaPella, Viriditas, FuzzyMagma, Chomik1129, AirshipJungleman29, Schwede66. Vaticidalprophet 22:38, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

Vaticidalprophet, FuzzyMagma previously proposed ALT2: ... that a large amount of hashish, known locally as "bango", was seized in Wad el-Mahi in 2023?" Source. I think it checks out. Viriditas (talk) 23:07, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

• Reviewer needed to check ALT2. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:46, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

@BlueMoonset: I am the nominator who suggested the hook in the talk here and Viriditas is the reviewer, so you don’t need an additional one FuzzyMagma (talk) 05:50, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

FuzzyMagma, as Viriditas did not complete their review with a tick, we need someone to do a review and, if it's ready, pass both hook and the nomination. Hence my request. BlueMoonset (talk) 02:51, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

• Regrettably, given the close paraphrasing issues raised at WT:DYK#coda, which have not yet been addressed, it would be premature to call for a reviewer at this time. BlueMoonset (talk) 06:58, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
  • Rjjiii, do FuzzyMagma's edits of a few days ago address the copyvio/close paraphrasing issues you raised at WT:DYK#coda, or are there still problems remaining? Thank you for your posts there, and hopefully here as well. BlueMoonset (talk) 04:11, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

• BlueMoonset, no. Rjjⁱⁱⁱ (talk) 03:07, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

• Regrettably, only one of the very serious copyvio/close paraphrasing issues have been worked on so far. It's time to close this nomination, given its extensive problems starting with its nomination over two months ago. BlueMoonset (talk) 07:05, 2 December 2023 (UTC)