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The following discussion is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: rejected by Allen3 talk 09:44, 16 September 2013 (UTC)
Insufficient progress toward resolving outstanding issues

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Kyi Maung

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Created by Bonkers The Clown (talk). Self nominated at 09:56, 20 July 2013 (UTC).

  • New enough=yes. Long enough=yes. Cites sources=yes. Hook is cited=yes (agf on offline source). Interesting hook meets formatting guidelines. OK for DYK. 78.26 (I'm no IP, talk to me!) 23:30, 23 July 2013 (UTC)
  • After recent extensive changes and expansion, and a move, the article now gives the name as "Kyi Maung" or "Col. Kyi Maung" (is the latter valid naming for the lede?), the "U" has been removed entirely from his name. In addition, the article no longer supports the "twenty years imprisonment" statement in the hook, so a new hook will have to be found. BlueMoonset (talk) 13:13, 25 July 2013 (UTC)
Geez when did that happen. Changed. ☯ Bonkers The Clown \(^_^)/ Nonsensical Babble ☯ 13:16, 25 July 2013 (UTC)
  • ALT1: ... that Burmese politician Kyi Maung went to prison for four times, for a total of a dozen years, by the country's military governments?
  • I've restored the original hook, since that's what the above commentary was about (even if it isn't supported now), and moved the new hook, now labeled ALT1, below said commentary. At the moment, ALT1 is in the article, but it is not adequately supported to DYK standards by inline sources (the actual statement needs sourcing). If you could get sourcing for the final sentence of the intro, then you could improve the ALT1 hook to "went to prison four times for a total of 12 years" and perhaps even "was imprisoned four times for a total of 12 years by the country's military governments". I've also added a DYKmake template for Hybernator, who was responsible for the recent expansion. BlueMoonset (talk) 21:01, 25 July 2013 (UTC)
Didn't I already modify the hook? Check the history. Thanks. ☯ Bonkers The Clown \(^_^)/ Nonsensical Babble ☯ 14:50, 9 August 2013 (UTC)
  • The point is not whether you modified the ALT1 hook—I really wish you'd stop modifying existing hooks and instead make new ALTs, as you're supposed to do, so there's a clear trail—but the fact that you did not "get sourcing for the final sentence of the intro" as requested (or put it elsewhere in the article) to support the 12 years, which remains inadequately sourced. You just changed the hook without also doing the needed work on the article. Please take care of the sourcing on this. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:29, 10 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Argh, I just returned the book by Lee Khoon Choy to the library. I'd suppose I could cite that. But the individual sentences have been referenced - although I admit the terms added together equal to eleven years and a month, not twelve. If that is changed, would that do? ☯ Bonkers The Clown \(^_^)/ Nonsensical Babble ☯ 06:55, 10 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Actually, the key hook fact sentences have not all been given inline source citations—in particular, while it would be nice to have the first sentence of the third History paragraph cited (to establish that it was exactly four times), the second sentence which details the two terms totaling seven years must have its own citation, even if it's the same source as one of the others. Once you have the sourcing in place in this paragraph, you will have the twelve years covered: seven years in 1963 through 1987 and a five-year stretch from 1990 to 1995 totals twelve years. The one month isn't worth specifying in the hook, especially as I very much doubt the other three stretches total exactly twelve years to the day. The ALT1 hook as currently written, however, is still problematic: "went to prison ... by the country's military government" does not read at all well. Please revise as an ALT2. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:23, 13 August 2013 (UTC)\
  • ALT2 is an interesting hook, but it is unsourced. (That it comes from the article's intro only is odd, but isn't ground for rejection, just the sourcing issue.) Given that hook sourcing has been an issue here for over a month, I expect the hook to be sourced (or an interesting, sourced hook to be proposed in its place) within 48 hours. BlueMoonset (talk) 15:02, 7 September 2013 (UTC)
Sorry I cannot verify the hook anymore because the book, which was borrowed from the library, has been returned. Instead, here is a directly cited ALT3: ... that Kyi Maung became leader of the National League for Democracy in 1990 after Aung San Suu Kyi's house arrest? ☯ Bonkers The Clown \(^_^)/ Nonsensical Babble ☯ 10:09, 8 September 2013 (UTC)
  • Bonkers, I have to ask: did you truly look at the article before typing "directly cited" here? I ask because not only is it inadequately cited, but it doesn't agree with your own article. The relevant sentence, which does not have an inline citation, ends: "(NLD), which was led by Aung San Suu Kyi until her house arrest in July 1989, after which Kyi Maung became its leader." So the article doesn't specify exactly when Kyi Maung took over, just that it was after the July 1989 arrest—while you today added a cite from the returned book to the next sentence, which mentions his leadership in the context of the 1990 election, it doesn't cover the 1989 date which seems to contradict the 1990 of ALT3. (Note: I struck ALT2 due to the sourcing issues on that one.) BlueMoonset (talk) 23:43, 8 September 2013 (UTC)
  • Issues unaddressed after more than a week. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:43, 15 September 2013 (UTC)
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