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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: rejected by reviewer, closed by AirshipJungleman29 talk 14:40, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

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Saleh Manaf

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Created by Jeromi Mikhael (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 64 past nominations.

Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 12:00, 14 May 2024 (UTC).

  • Comment: The Bekasi link in the hook is linked to Bekasi city instead of Bekasi Regency. I fixed it Nyanardsan (talk) 07:47, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
  • @Jeromi Mikhael: Has not supplied a QPQ, so I am marking this for closure as rejected. Z1720 (talk) 00:54, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
New reviewer required. Z1720 (talk) 17:24, 10 June 2024 (UTC)


General: Article is new enough and long enough

Policy compliance:

Hook eligibility:

  • Cited: Yes
  • Interesting: Yes
  • Other problems: Yes
QPQ: Done.

Overall: As noted above, the lede should be beefed up before this hits the main page. Also, given the recent RFC, I'm not sure focusing on the negative aspects of this BLP (i.e., the goat head protest), is going to fly on the main page. It's a very interesting fact, and supported by Liputan6, but something else may work better in the current climate.  — Chris Woodrich (talk) 14:16, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

@Crisco 1492: I've expanded the lede of the article, but I might need some help finding interesting part of the article other than the BLPed hook. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 12:32, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
  • Maybe something like "that Saleh Manaf became Regent of Bekasi even after his party attempted to annul the results?". If we have an ALT, we can allow the admin making the queues to make the decision. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 13:02, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
  • Thanks. That should give the promoting administrator a choice and hopefully avoid any fuss at the main page. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 16:33, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
Unpromoted per WT:DYK. New review needed for ALT2. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 22:58, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
@Jeromi Mikhael: Where is it in the article?--Launchballer 17:50, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
@Launchballer: It was not mentioned explicitly previously, but there was a discussion regarding this in here. I've copyedited the article to make the fact in the hook more explicit. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 18:00, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
That is not what an underdog is (someone expected to lose), and in either case you'd need an end-of-sentence citation for it.--Launchballer 18:37, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
@Launchballer: Alright then, change of hook. ALT4: "... that the regent of Bekasi, Saleh Manaf, was protested by his own local environment service?" quote from: this one, ref no. 14 Beberapa waktu yang lalu, Dinas Kebersihan Kabupaten Bekasi sebenarnya sudah mengirimkan surat protes kepada Bupati Bekasi, meminta pertanggung-jawaban bupati terhadap dampak lingkungan dan akibat sampah yang dibuang truk pengangkut sampah. (Some time ago, the Bekasi Regency Environment Service actually sent a letter of protest to the Regent of Bekasi, asking the regent to be responsible for the environmental impact and consequences of the waste thrown by the waste trucks.)
Looks good to me.--Launchballer 06:10, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
"was protested" seems clunky, but I can't quite think of a better phrasing. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 16:11, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
I'll take a look at this when I get back. My initial gambit is ALT4a: ... that Bekasi's local environment service protested its own regent?--Launchballer 16:17, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
Oi. I just reread the above. Source allegedly says "letter of protest", article and hook says "protested". These are not the same thing and the former is way less interesting. What does the source for "two goat heads, a femur, nails, shards, flowers and jugs" say @Jeromi Mikhael:?--Launchballer 20:09, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
@Launchballer: Third paragraph in the article aforementioned above: Demonstran juga menyegel Kantor Bupati Bekasi dan meletakkan sesajen berupa dua kepala kambing, tulang paha, paku, beling, kembang serta kendi di pintu masuk ruang kerja bupati. (Protesters also sealed off the Bekasi Regent's Office and placed offerings in the form of two goat heads, thigh bones, nails, shards, flowers and jugs at the entrance to the regent's office.) Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 23:29, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
@Jeromi Mikhael: Let's see a hook to that effect.--Launchballer 06:39, 11 July 2024 (UTC) Scratch that, I just saw @Crisco 1492:'s comment above about it being a negative BLP hook. I'd have approved that hook myself (there's enough negative stuff that I wouldn't have thought a negative hook would fall foul of WP:DYKHOOKBLP), but I don't feel strongly enough to override him. I think this needs a different hook altogether.--Launchballer 11:09, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
This is now over two months old. I am marking this for rejection, unless a new hook is written and reviewed post-haste. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 16:09, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
@AirshipJungleman29: ALT4b: ... that Bekasi's local environment service sent a letter of protest to its own regent? Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 01:58, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
It's not unusual for organisations to send letters to politicians.--Launchballer 08:29, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
@Launchballer: ... it becomes unique if the organisation is part of the government itself... anyways here's another alt... ALT5: ... that Saleh Manaf was dismissed from his position as the chief of Bekasi after a series of legal battles? Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 08:52, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
That one doesn't comply with WP:DYKHOOKBLP.--Launchballer 09:06, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
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