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The following discussion is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by BlueMoonset (talk) 23:38, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

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Roberto Carnaghi

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Created by Cambalachero (talk). Self nominated at 18:11, 8 May 2013 (UTC).

  • New enough, long enough, hook is cited and present. I'm assuming good faith on the references as my Spanish is virtually non-existent. The only issue I see is that the award table needs a bit of reformatting, and could do with further citations for everything in it, as there's currently only one for the last entry—but the running prose is fine if you want to just take the award table out until it's sourced fully. GRAPPLE X 00:44, 10 May 2013 (UTC)
Also its not at all interesting as of now. Maybe you could add more to the hook on why winning this award is something special. Is it like the highest category? Because actors win awards and that's not hooky at all. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {T/C} 11:58, 10 May 2013 (UTC)
ALT1: ... that Argentine actor Roberto Carnaghi worked with comedians Tato Bores, Guillermo Francella and Antonio Gasalla? Cambalachero (talk) 18:36, 10 May 2013 (UTC)
Alt is fine, though I don't see any problem with the original hook either (not every hook has to be, or even can be, written for maximum impact). GRAPPLE X 18:51, 11 May 2013 (UTC)
Wikipedia runs by consensus and 2:1 is a good enough consensus to pass the original alt also. I simply expressed by views on this less than mediocre hook. Rest you decide. You need not pay attention to us. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {T/C} 19:28, 11 May 2013 (UTC)
  • Hooks are both very boring and it seems to me that they don't convey what's interesting about the article subject. Article needs work -- I found what appear to be some serious misinterpretations of the sources. From my reading of Google translations, this guy did not start his career in advertising -- that is merely the first topic that he talks about in this interview. Moreover, it looks like he is known for his body of work in theatre, film, and television, not solely for his work on Tato Bores' talk show. Verify the information in the article -- then we can talk about some other hooks. --Orlady (talk) 02:03, 2 June 2013 (UTC)
  • Spanish is my native language, I can understand it without translation (but I checked in the other direction, and the automatic google translation from Spanish to English does seem a bit confusing, because of the slang and figurative speaking in the original text). He told an anecdote of initial rejections to work for advertisings, that he was eventually accepted, and that those small jobs in advertisings gave him the initial boost he needed to be hired for more important works. Cambalachero (talk) 02:23, 4 June 2013 (UTC)
  • Well, from that interview and other sources, I got the distinct impression that he attended drama school and worked in theatre (that is, he performed as a stage actor) before he ever got involved in advertising. For example, see this page. I also get that from the interview. --Orlady (talk) 03:34, 4 June 2013 (UTC)
  • It's been two weeks since the above, there has been no action, and the "dubious" tag remains. I'll ping Cambalachero; something needs to be done soon. BlueMoonset (talk) 21:49, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
  • I don't care. If you don't like the article, close the nomination and go on. Cambalachero (talk) 01:05, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
  • He seems like an interesting guy. I just hate for an article to suggest that he became an actor via advertising, when the sources I've read appear to indicate that he worked hard to develop his career in the traditional fashion. --Orlady (talk) 01:21, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
  • Sorry, this has nothing to do with you, but I have lost the interest in working in Wikipedia. I have been in here for 5 years, made nearly 28,000 edits, never got in problems with anyone else, provided a lot of recognized content in areas where I work basically alone... and now, I have to be expelled because someone prefers to see me expelled before working with me. And worse, the most important wikipedians agree with his request, and they are ready to sign my expulsion, rejecting any lesser punishment or even providing any explanation beyond copy-pasted generalistic ideas. There's even a second user being expelled as well just because of daring to support me in a discussion, and users I hardly even know celebrating my "defeat". Why should I stay in a web page that treats me with such disdain and contempt? I'm just staying around here for courtesy, to wait to the end of the whole thing, ask for some clarifications, and leave if I confirm that Wikipedia is the way I now understand it is; I won't move a finger to fix anything in any article anymore unless something happens to make me redefine my current opinion of this web site. Cambalachero (talk) 02:22, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
  • In honor of both Cambalachero and Roberto Carnaghi, I've edited the article to add a brief statement about his work on the stage. My changes address the concern I had. Here's a suggested hook:
  • ALT2: ... that Argentine actor Roberto Carnaghi has appeared in 44 films, had major roles in Shakespeare's plays, worked in advertising and TV comedy, and performed in telenovelas?
That's a bit long, but I think that the diversity of his work -- and the enormous amount of work he's done -- is a worthy topic for a hook. Needs a new reviewer. --Orlady (talk) 03:29, 26 June 2013 (UTC)
 As an Argentine, it's a pleasrue to review the article dedicated to this artist. The biography section seems to be well-sourced, but I have concerns with the the two tables summarising his work, as there are no sources suporting the entries. I can ellaborate a bit on the page. I just don't know if in doing so I can be still counted as a reviewer...--Jetstreamer Talk 17:30, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
This source looks like a comprehensive list. However, I cannot tell whether it is an amateur webpage or a reliable source. --Orlady (talk) 20:36, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
It might work. If there are doubts, we can raise the matter at WP:RSN.--Jetstreamer Talk 21:12, 27 June 2013 (UTC)
Hello. I changed my mind, so I'm back. Thanks for working in the article during this time. The tables were copied from the article in Spanish, I will see if I can find other references for them. Cambalachero (talk) 17:46, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
Not the most appropriate place to say this, but it's good to see you around again, Cambalachero. Let's try to get this article ready for a DYK.--Jetstreamer Talk 21:20, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
I'm also pleased to see Cambalachero here. The tables are not at all complete, based on what I've read about Carnaghi's acting roles. --Orlady (talk) 23:41, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
I have fixed the list of films with the ones listed in the "cine nacional" external link. It's a site hosted by the INCAA, the argentine state organization that promotes films, and I think it's reliable. I will now continue with the others. Cambalachero (talk) 16:35, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
I have updated as well the list of theater plays, again with the page in the external links (this one about theater in Argentina). I have to find some source for the television entry; I hope I won't need to include specific references for each entry, but I will do it if I don't find alternatives. Cambalachero (talk) 02:21, 2 July 2013 (UTC)
It's good to see the longer list of theatrical plays. However, in this edit I added some very solidly sourced information about his role in the 2009 production of Rey Lear (King Lear). It's a shame that most of the information and the reference citation have been lost from the article... --Orlady (talk) 14:28, 2 July 2013 (UTC)
Done, I have referenced all the entries of the TV list (I did not find any complete list anywhere, as with film or theater), and removed the ones I could not find. Some of those may really exist, and have no coverage in internet for being minor 1980s TV series (10 or 15 years before there was any decent internet in Argentina). For the moment they are still available in the article in Spanish, I may need to investigate those TV series if I continue this to GAN or FAC, but for a DYK I think this should be enough. Sorry for removing the link, I did not realize it Cambalachero (talk) 03:26, 4 July 2013 (UTC)
  • I think it's ready, but it needs a fresh reviewer. --Orlady (talk) 14:50, 5 July 2013 (UTC)
  • Subsection "Theater" in section "Works" still includes unsourced entries. I suggest removing the ones not backed by a reference, leaving only the ones properly sourced. Use the text "the actor had roles in a number of theater plays, with the following ones among them..." or something like this.--Jetstreamer Talk 15:41, 5 July 2013 (UTC)
  • There is a reference citation at the beginning of the "Works" section that applies to everything in all three subsections of "Works", including "Theater". The individual citations within "Theater" provide more detail on the specific productions that Carnaghi was involved with. --Orlady (talk) 16:07, 5 July 2013 (UTC)
  • In that case, everything is properly sourced. ALT2 is fine too. Good to go.--Jetstreamer Talk 16:29, 5 July 2013 (UTC)
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