Template:Did you know nominations/Paladin Gundulić

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The result was: promoted by Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:20, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

Paladin Gundulić

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• ... that Ragusan diplomat Paladin Gundulić was engaged to maintain a connection of Ferdinand I and Skanderbeg?

• Reviewed: Premarital sex, Muria people diff

Created by Antidiskriminator (talk). Self nom at 16:50, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

• Comment. The hook is moderately interesting at best... To me, much more intriguing is the fact that he apparently owed some money. :-) GregorB (talk) 09:59, 25 August 2011 (UTC)

:) Maybe you are right. I accidentally run across this guy and find him very interesting. He was merchant who obviously took other peoples money and started trading with cereals imported from the Kingdom of Naples. King of Naples allowed him to trade with their cereals but in exchange Paladin had to be his "spy" for the Balkans and later maintained his connection with Skanderbeg who later became vassal of the King of Naples. Besides being "skillful merhcant" he sure had to be very skillful diplomat because he was sent by the Republic of Ragusa to many extremely important diplomatic missions and negotiated with some of the most powerful people of that time like Ottoman Sultan, King of Naples and Hungarian king. He also was sent to diplomatic missions to regionally important people like Serbian Despot, Skanderbeg, many small feudal lords from Bosnia and Herzegovina.... Although I find him very interesting I could not come up with more interesting hook. Do you have any idea?--Antidiskriminator (talk) 10:30, 25 August 2011 (UTC)

• History is not really my forte so I'm not actually committing to do a DYK review here, but I'll try to suggest a hook or two - this espionage angle seems interesting too. GregorB (talk) 13:08, 25 August 2011 (UTC)

• I'm not reviewing this myself, but I have made the article more readable (it was hard to read and had some, shall we say, shibboleths - the persistent lack of the definite article will catch my eye every time). But it is a nice article. I'm here to propose another hook:
  • ALT 1: ... that Ragusan diplomat Paladin Gundulić performed services for Eric of Pomerania, Ferdinand I of Naples and the Duchy of Saint Sava? Dahn (talk) 11:33, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for your copy-edit. I agree with proposed alternative hook.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 13:24, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

Can't really find an appropriate hook. The spy business is not mentioned in the article, so presently can't be used for a hook. ALT 1 looks good to me, though. GregorB (talk) 19:03, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

That was the reason why I put "spy" under quotation marks, although the source suggest it.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 19:05, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

• Hook: Prefer ALT1. Short enough, somewhat interesting, AGF on foreign-language source.

Article: Long enough, new enough. AGF on foreign-language sources. Only image is CC.

Summary: Looks good! Crisco 1492 (talk) 04:54, 2 September 2011 (UTC)