Template:Did you know nominations/Norbert Murphy

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The result was: rejected by Allen3 ^talk 13:42, 1 November 2012 (UTC)
Insufficient progress toward resolving outstanding issues

Norbert Murphy

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... that Norbert Murphy was born in Vaudreuil-Dorion, Quebec and won a bronze medal for Canada in archery at the 2012 Summer Paralympics, the only medal in archery for his country?
Norbert Murphy won a bronze medal for Canada at the 2012 Summer Paralympics, the only medal in archery for his country in the Paralympics and Olympics?

Created/expanded by Lucky102 (talk). Self nom at 16:21, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

~~: Article prose length should be at least 1500 characters. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {T/C} 05:56, 3 October 2012 (UTC)~~
Hmmm! The article is now expanding. Please drop a note here when done. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {T/C} 07:29, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

At the moment I got 1,266, so I'll try and get 300 more characters in.--Lucky102 (talk) 16:08, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

I've got over 1,500 now.--Lucky102 (talk) 20:29, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

Thats good. But whole of the section "IPC Archery World Championships" is unreferenced. So you need to add reference to that. Other all things are okay. The article is of good length now. But i don't see how being born in Quebec is interesting. Hence i would proposes another option, if thats okay with you.
ALT1: ... that Norbert Murphy won a bronze medal for Canada at the 2012 Summer Paralympics, the only medal in archery for his country? §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {T/C} 03:51, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

Done!--Lucky102 (talk) 06:35, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

You have to add references to "IPC Archery World Championships" section. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {T/C} 08:43, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

I meant done for the blurb, not the refernces.--Lucky102 (talk) 14:47, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

References also done!--Lucky102 (talk) 16:14, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

Good to go with ALT. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {T/C} 17:15, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

There seem to be some inaccuracies in the article. There are two Beijing paragraphs (I think the second one should be London), and the explanation doesn't quite make sense. In the first round (8/1), neither of the competitors had a bye. I think the next round did involve a bye for Kinik, but that isn't what is said here, and the article on the 2012 W1 wasn't much help in clarifying matters as it seems to have an error (Kinik isn't listed at all, and some other guy is listed twice). In any event, the London paragraph needs fixing before approval can be restored. BlueMoonset (talk) 18:32, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

I've tried my best. Peter Kinik was mentioned.--Lucky102 (talk) 19:41, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

That looks good. The article itself, however, has two "stub" templates on it, and isn't eligible for DYK while they remain; the same is true for the stub class ratings on the article's talk page. As you added all the stub designations to begin with, it's up to you to reevaluate the articles. Once they are no longer stubs, this can proceed. BlueMoonset (talk) 20:10, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

PS: For better effect, you might want the hook to read "the first-ever such medal in archery for his country"; I thought it was the only Canadian archery medal that year, but this source indicates that Canada had never before won an archery medal at the Paralympics or Olympics: Norbert was the first one ever. You'd need to add this information (and source) to the article, of course, to use it in the hook. BlueMoonset (talk) 20:16, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

Done!--Lucky102 (talk) 20:28, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

And the stub issues? BlueMoonset (talk) 03:59, 6 October 2012 (UTC)

Stub issues? Do you want me to remove the stubs tags?--Lucky102 (talk) 08:35, 6 October 2012 (UTC)

As I said above, articles that are stubs are not eligible for DYK. With the tags on the article and the classifications on the talk page, the nomination cannot proceed any further. If you think the article is no longer a stub, then yes. If it still qualifies as a stub, then you need to expand the article until it isn't any more. BlueMoonset (talk) 13:37, 6 October 2012 (UTC)

Do you think it's a stub?--Lucky102 (talk) 14:47, 6 October 2012 (UTC)

I think the article suffers from having no background information about Norbert except for his birth date and where he lives. It's entirely competition data. There should be something more about him: his day job, perhaps, his training, his disability... there isn't even mention that he's in a wheelchair. As such, yes, I think it's stub-like in that regard. The problem is I'm not sure whether there's more information available out there about him. Some countries include that sort of background info about their Paralympians, but I haven't seen anything like that on the Canadian sites. Maybe you'll have better luck finding it? A local Canadian paper might have run a feature story on him; that may be your best bet. BlueMoonset (talk) 16:02, 6 October 2012 (UTC)

I don't see any articles with the information you want.--Lucky102 (talk) 16:21, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

In that case, at the very least you should mention that he is in a wheelchair, even if you can't describe his injury; there are articles out there that do that much. I also think instead of just naming the competition classification (e.g., W1, W2) you need to explain what each one means at least once, the first time it's mentioned in the body of the article. I found this 2012 Paralympics page useful; it explains the archery classifications. BlueMoonset (talk) 21:43, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

Done!--Lucky102 (talk) 07:10, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

Prose has issues; IPC Archery World Championships is very formulaic to the point of being essentially the same text. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:05, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

What do you mean by that excactly?--Lucky102 (talk) 19:32, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

Compare these sentences:

"He competed in the 1998 IPC World Archery Championships in Stoke Mandeville, United Kingdom in the Men's Recurve Bow W2."
"He competed in the 1999 IPC World Archery Championships in Christchurch, New Zealand in the Men's Recurve Bow W2."
"He competed in the 2001 IPC World Archery Championships in Nymburk, Czech Republic in the Men's Recurve Bow W2."

That is essentially a template. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 16:01, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

Prose issues. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:23, 31 October 2012 (UTC)